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Expected Release Date???
by jlkirby77 on 2010-04-11 14:18:03

I saw something online that said the new variax's are expected to ship during the summer or 2010? Is that true, because if that's the case I'm going to hold off on another guitar and wait for this one. Any info would be very helpful.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by Nick_Mattocks on 2010-04-14 02:06:36

Hi

An official release date hasn't been announced yet (as far as I'm aware), but the indications seem to point to late summer 2010, which I'd guess as (probably) being September.  These things can slip either way of course, depending on production and shipping schedules from the factory and whether or not any last minute manufacturing hitches or software bugs need to be ironed out.  I'm sure we'll be told when the guitars start to arrive at retailers.

Nick



Re: Expected Release Date???
by guitfiddleblue on 2010-04-23 12:18:02

If you go to Sweetwater Sound's website, they have them listed for sale, but no pics. It appears also that they are selling the korean version and not the American based on the price. I am ify about purchasing a new VAX. I've only had my 600 for about a year and really enjoy it. This new version doesn't seem to have a lot to add. Yes, the magnetic pickups are cool, but that's why I have a Les Paul also. Is this just an updated VAX or will they come out with something really special??? It would be nice to have some of the features of the VG-99 in the VAX, but maybe I'm asking for too much...



Re: Expected Release Date???
by variaxlover on 2010-04-23 12:52:14

Yes, those are the prices for the Korean JTVs.  I'll attach a pic of the 59, 69 and 89 models below (in that order).  There is another group here in the forums called "Welcome to the James Tyler Variax group!" that has a lot more information about the new Variaxes.  There are several major improvements to the features and usability of the guitars that make them seem well worth the price to me.  But Nick is correct, I wouldn't expect to actually be able to buy one before September, maybe even later.  I think you are able to pre-order, that's about it for now.

As far as having features of the VG-99, it depends on which features you mean -- but don't expect much.  Of course the Variax models sound so much better than the VG-99's that it's still the only modeler I would use.

Anyway, besides the forum I mentioned there are videos online (try YouTube or Facebook), many articles, and a blog written by Rich Renken, Line 6's Variax head honcho.  Any and all of these contain MUCH more information about the new lineup.

Variax59.jpg

Variax69.jpg

Variax89.jpg



Re: Expected Release Date???
by MerlinFL on 2010-04-24 02:02:15

guitfiddleblue wrote:

If you go to Sweetwater Sound's website, they have them listed for sale, but no pics. It appears also that they are selling the korean version and not the American based on the price. I am ify about purchasing a new VAX. I've only had my 600 for about a year and really enjoy it. This new version doesn't seem to have a lot to add. Yes, the magnetic pickups are cool, but that's why I have a Les Paul also. Is this just an updated VAX or will they come out with something really special??? It would be nice to have some of the features of the VG-99 in the VAX, but maybe I'm asking for too much...

Please of rgive my lack of knowledge, but what is a VG-99?

As far as what the new JTV's are all about is IMHO two fold.

1) it is to get those who think a guitar with NO pick-ups is a joke or a toy, etc.  So whether anyones uses the mags or bnot, it LOOKS like every other guitar on the market in it's basic three forms.  Screw the whole debate about what SSS or HSS pu's, I really wish that topic NEVER came up and became such a BS issue since the guitar is a MODELLING GUITAR PRIMARILY that NOW CAN do both traditional mag sounds, PLUS the more important UPGRADED Model qualities of the updated models/smaples of ALL the models that were on the previous Vax mbut now have been upgraded to sound better, perform better and THAT IS a big deal which has gone almost completely ignored. in lew of discussing stuid stuff like the mag pu's in the strat style guitar.  SSS or HSS - who gives a crap one way or the other.  Want a strat, buy a strat and shut up already.

2) Having the virtual capo/tuning wheel as an independent feature is HUGE.  Now I can save at least a dozens patches that i made because I needed specific tunings.  Now I have a literal BANK of tunings I can use as is or adjust to MY needs and preferences - that is also HUGE.  Yet agin, not much said about this major improvement.

3) They partnered with James Tyler, who has a talent for making great custom guitars, and now creating new version of models styles that are what Line 6 consider to be the top three to get this new chapter of Variax off the ground and hit the deck running, not walking or strolling.  I hope that when I get my hands on either a USA or Kprean model I have the money to buy one and more importantly - it plays so well that I WANT to buy a new JTV 59 or 89.  Won't know until these guitars hit the stores and I can have the money to place and order.  If they are already on months worth of backorders after only being announced two weeks ago - that scares the crap out of me since I will not order a guitar I have to wait months for.  I have to do it mail order, so I will not be able to touch one until the mail order stores I deal with have version of the models I'm interested in IN STOCK.  So when the heck is THAT going to happen??

If anyone gets a 59 or an 89 and for any reason are nt happy with it, please contact ME as I would buy it to try it if I've not gotten one on my own.  Fair enough?

Line 6 DOES need to step in a SET THE SRP PRICE so there are not such discrepencies in pricing as there is now.  THAT IS 100% Line 6's responsibility and waiting is NOT helping this feeding frenzy.

PLEASE fix it NOW before there is a backlash of bad feelings if the prices are suddenly changed when the products ARE available for sale.  PLUS all pre-order people are NOT subject to notification of price changes PRIOR to being billed for any pre-orders - that is retail "law" and only a select few retailers are kind enough to inform pre-order customers of price changes BEFORE they are billed.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by RichRenken on 2010-04-24 04:58:30

MerlinFL wrote:

guitfiddleblue wrote:

If you go to Sweetwater Sound's website, they have them listed for sale, but no pics. It appears also that they are selling the korean version and not the American based on the price. I am ify about purchasing a new VAX. I've only had my 600 for about a year and really enjoy it. This new version doesn't seem to have a lot to add. Yes, the magnetic pickups are cool, but that's why I have a Les Paul also. Is this just an updated VAX or will they come out with something really special??? It would be nice to have some of the features of the VG-99 in the VAX, but maybe I'm asking for too much...

Please of rgive my lack of knowledge, but what is a VG-99?

As far as what the new JTV's are all about is IMHO two fold.

1) it is to get those who think a guitar with NO pick-ups is a joke or a toy, etc.  So whether anyones uses the mags or bnot, it LOOKS like every other guitar on the market in it's basic three forms.  Screw the whole debate about what SSS or HSS pu's, I really wish that topic NEVER came up and became such a BS issue since the guitar is a MODELLING GUITAR PRIMARILY that NOW CAN do both traditional mag sounds, PLUS the more important UPGRADED Model qualities of the updated models/smaples of ALL the models that were on the previous Vax mbut now have been upgraded to sound better, perform better and THAT IS a big deal which has gone almost completely ignored. in lew of discussing stuid stuff like the mag pu's in the strat style guitar.  SSS or HSS - who gives a crap one way or the other.  Want a strat, buy a strat and shut up already.

2) Having the virtual capo/tuning wheel as an independent feature is HUGE.  Now I can save at least a dozens patches that i made because I needed specific tunings.  Now I have a literal BANK of tunings I can use as is or adjust to MY needs and preferences - that is also HUGE.  Yet agin, not much said about this major improvement.

3) They partnered with James Tyler, who has a talent for making great custom guitars, and now creating new version of models styles that are what Line 6 consider to be the top three to get this new chapter of Variax off the ground and hit the deck running, not walking or strolling.  I hope that when I get my hands on either a USA or Kprean model I have the money to buy one and more importantly - it plays so well that I WANT to buy a new JTV 59 or 89.  Won't know until these guitars hit the stores and I can have the money to place and order.  If they are already on months worth of backorders after only being announced two weeks ago - that scares the crap out of me since I will not order a guitar I have to wait months for.  I have to do it mail order, so I will not be able to touch one until the mail order stores I deal with have version of the models I'm interested in IN STOCK.  So when the heck is THAT going to happen??

If anyone gets a 59 or an 89 and for any reason are nt happy with it, please contact ME as I would buy it to try it if I've not gotten one on my own.  Fair enough?

Line 6 DOES need to step in a SET THE SRP PRICE so there are not such discrepencies in pricing as there is now.  THAT IS 100% Line 6's responsibility and waiting is NOT helping this feeding frenzy.

PLEASE fix it NOW before there is a backlash of bad feelings if the prices are suddenly changed when the products ARE available for sale.  PLUS all pre-order people are NOT subject to notification of price changes PRIOR to being billed for any pre-orders - that is retail "law" and only a select few retailers are kind enough to inform pre-order customers of price changes BEFORE they are billed.

What is all this in the bold that you are posting? What discrepencies in pricing? What waiting are you talking about. I said prices all over the place. JTV-89 is $1,099.99, JTV-69 is $1,199.99 and JTV-59 is $1,299.99.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by guitfiddleblue on 2010-04-25 13:36:53

Yea, not sure what the BOLD is about, but whatever.

I agree that being able to change the tunings with the turn of a knob is super cool. My beef with these new models is that they maintain the same 25+ guitars as the original VAX's. It would have been great to have a big make-over, with different or variants of the same guitars. I understand that the DSP is better, but I am hesitant to purchase one of these new ones for the new features despite how cool I think they are (especially the shred guitar - very cool). It would have been nice to have a shred model, like a Jem, on the shred guitar... hmmm... I have said this before and will say it again, I think there should also be some crazy guitar sounds available. Yes, the VAX has a sitar, but that is the extent of an entirely "other" instrument. How about a Roland GR-300 model and get that awesome Pat Metheny sound? What about more acoustics or other acoustics like a nylon? I just think that this whole thing is falling short of what it could be imho. I absolutely love playing through my 600 and use it weekly. It sounds great and my band loves it too. Let's take the VAX to a NEW level... not just a better current model, but a NEW guitar altogether!!!

Peace,

Bill



Re: Expected Release Date???
by MerlinFL on 2010-04-25 19:21:48

guitfiddleblue wrote:

Yea, not sure what the BOLD is about, but whatever.

I agree that being able to change the tunings with the turn of a knob is super cool. My beef with these new models is that they maintain the same 25+ guitars as the original VAX's. It would have been great to have a big make-over, with different or variants of the same guitars. I understand that the DSP is better, but I am hesitant to purchase one of these new ones for the new features despite how cool I think they are (especially the shred guitar - very cool). It would have been nice to have a shred model, like a Jem, on the shred guitar... hmmm... I have said this before and will say it again, I think there should also be some crazy guitar sounds available. Yes, the VAX has a sitar, but that is the extent of an entirely "other" instrument. How about a Roland GR-300 model and get that awesome Pat Metheny sound? What about more acoustics or other acoustics like a nylon? I just think that this whole thing is falling short of what it could be imho. I absolutely love playing through my 600 and use it weekly. It sounds great and my band loves it too. Let's take the VAX to a NEW level... not just a better current model, but a NEW guitar altogether!!!

Peace,

Bill

I too would have liked to see new guitar models, but improved version of what they already have is a great start in my opinion.  I am curious, do you have and use extensively the Workbench software to modify, improve or even create new guitars with all the parts already available?  I have found that even those with Workbench are not taking full advantage of it's true power in just how much you can "push" the vax models into so much more than they come stock from the factory.

Based on remarks previously left over many months - it seems that both myself and "CrustyOldRocker" are the most proficient in using Workbench to it's fullest capability.  I'm sure there are probably others, but I went with the one person I do know is similar to myself in Workbench knowledge.

Speaking for myself, I would be happy to host a class or clinic on how to get the most from Workbench if anyone thinks they might find something like this useful.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by guitfiddleblue on 2010-04-26 17:20:01

You bring up an excellent point! The workbench software is an underused tool... to which, I have to say I mainly use it for the alternate tunings and virtual capo. I have toyed with changing pickups, pots, etc around but I have never fully explored it - shame on me to say the least. While it has its limitations, I agree with you in what you say about many of us not using it to its fullest. I often ask myself prior to buying a new piece of gear, "have I used what I have already to its fullest?" Even with the so called "cheap" stuff, I have to say that I tend not too and I get into this thing called "stuffitis" (as defined by Dave Ramsey of Financial Peace University). Basically, it's just wanting more stuff for the sake of having it, and the emotional void it fills. So, now I'm focusing on trying to use, and want, what I have more and, like you said, "push the limits" with it. Again, excellent points... thank you.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by MerlinFL on 2010-04-26 22:50:45

guitfiddleblue wrote:

You bring up an excellent point! The workbench software is an underused tool... to which, I have to say I mainly use it for the alternate tunings and virtual capo. I have toyed with changing pickups, pots, etc around but I have never fully explored it - shame on me to say the least. While it has its limitations, I agree with you in what you say about many of us not using it to its fullest. I often ask myself prior to buying a new piece of gear, "have I used what I have already to its fullest?" Even with the so called "cheap" stuff, I have to say that I tend not too and I get into this thing called "stuffitis" (as defined by Dave Ramsey of Financial Peace University). Basically, it's just wanting more stuff for the sake of having it, and the emotional void it fills. So, now I'm focusing on trying to use, and want, what I have more and, like you said, "push the limits" with it. Again, excellent points... thank you.

You're VERY WELCOME!!

Glad I could write something that was read and understood in the manner in which I intended it to be.

If you ever wish to ask about some of my patches or ideas using Workbench, please feel free to ask.

Take care,

Neal



Re: Expected Release Date???
by harlanlampert on 2010-05-26 05:18:13

Neal...I'd like to take you up on your offer to share some ideas about your patches.  I would love to get better 335/Casino type tones than provided.  I love Larry Carlton's sound but I can't seem to make it work. I'm also using the XTLive and have not found any patches that really move me.  You think you could help?

Thanks, Harlan



Re: Expected Release Date???
by RobTac on 2010-07-21 20:55:25

I hope these guitars get released soon. I had a Variax 600 that was stolen from me when I was playing at a show. Was hoping it would show up at a pawn shop and the serial number would flag the police data base, but no such luck. I could go out and get another 600, but knowing the JT69 is a reality, I can't justify getting something I know I'll just replace as soon as the new and improved hits the streets. So, Line 6, please  release these guitars for sale tomorrow (hey, can't hurt to ask, right?).



Re: Expected Release Date???
by mdmayfield on 2010-07-22 00:00:54

What are you listening through? I found that everything in my Pod XTL and Variax sounded better when I started using a high-power active PA speaker instead of a little Roland keyboard amp.

(Hope everyone is aware of the FRFR thing, and knows to *never* plug a Pod or other amp simulator into a guitar amp if they want decent sound.)



Re: Expected Release Date???
by usernametaken on 2010-07-23 13:38:59

Sadly I think there are a lot of people who don't know that you shouldn't plug a modeler with a running amp / cab sim into a regular guitar amp like it's some kind of effects pedal. All you have to do is read some reviews on the internet to see how many people say stuff like "it sounded good through headphones, but then I plugged it into my half stack and it sounded like crap!!! This thing sux!!!"



Re: Expected Release Date???
by jtravisiii on 2010-08-02 19:48:40

VG-99 is a Roland Multi-effect processor (http://www.guitarcenter.com/Roland-VG-99-V-Guitar-Multi-Effects-Processor-System-104280409-i1275701.gc?o=5&ipp=25&source=4WWRWXYB). There also was a Fender model called the Strat VG that had a variant of the VG-99 system.

JT



Re: Expected Release Date???
by gtrpro on 2010-08-05 12:05:32

There is no doubt in my mind this is just another line 6 recycling atempt I only have 1 question,WILL PALM MUTING ON THE BRIDGE WITH HEAVY DISTROTION STILL SUCK USING THE GUITAR MODELS,NOT THE MAGNETICS.    My guess is YES, it will..That makes me think that the new variax toy is gonna bomb like muhammad ala!



Re: Expected Release Date???
by meistsf on 2010-08-05 12:18:09

Huh?  Geeze, I was looking forward to trying an EBow with the pickups.  That should work better than before, right?



Re: Expected Release Date???
by gtrpro on 2010-08-05 12:40:09

meistsf wrote:

Huh?  Geeze, I was looking forward to trying an EBow with the pickups.  That should work better than before, right?

I really doubt it,but I dont know for sure...Just a gut feeling Thats why Line6 decided to go with mags and modeling,What you dont get from one you'll get from the otherI already have guitars with pickups I dont need anymore, so that defeats the purpose of a modeling guitar.I like my variax 500 for everything 'cept high gain distortion which I play %98 of the time.The palm muting was so bad,so horribile sounding I put the guitar away and haven't used it in over 3 years.If this new one plays the same way,I wont buy it,I'm sure many people wont either.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by variaxlover on 2010-08-05 12:54:02

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Re: Expected Release Date???
by grimm26 on 2010-08-05 14:04:03
There is no doubt in my mind this is just another line 6 recycling 
atempt I only have 1 question,WILL PALM MUTING ON THE BRIDGE WITH HEAVY
DISTROTION STILL SUCK USING THE GUITAR MODELS,NOT THE MAGNETICS.    My
guess is YES, it will..That makes me think that the new variax toy is
gonna bomb like muhammad ala!

I don't know who muhammad ala is, but this youtube video makes it seem like palm muting with heavy distortion sounds fine: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFp0IEgy5TE

plus the new JTV's are supposed to have improved piezo pickups and processing.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by MerlinFL on 2010-08-05 14:06:02

gtrpro wrote:

There is no doubt in my mind this is just another line 6 recycling atempt I only have 1 question,WILL PALM MUTING ON THE BRIDGE WITH HEAVY DISTROTION STILL SUCK USING THE GUITAR MODELS,NOT THE MAGNETICS.    My guess is YES, it will..That makes me think that the new variax toy is gonna bomb like muhammad ala!

If you've had such poor results trying to palm mute a Variax, then perhaps you might wish to check out one of the many videos on YouTube demonstrating that palm muting DOES WORK if you know what you're doing.  I'm not insulting your skill, but since you have made such an extreme statement, I felt it only fair that someone like myself who can successfully palm mute a high or low gain setting on any of the Vax models like the LP's I've matched up with my Vetta emulating one of the many high gain amps.

If you wish to check out my demo of a side by side comparison of my $3,000.00 1996 LP standard with a 60's slim tapered neck from Gibson's custom shop vs. my Line 6 700 Vax in LP bridge pu mode.  Perhaps you might give some more thought about your model 500, and perhaps how you can get it to work as well as I get mine to work.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by variaxlover on 2010-08-05 14:11:12

Why don't you sell me that P.O.S. Variax 500 for $100?  It's just collecting dust at your place.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by gtrpro on 2010-08-05 14:47:32

No Insult taken,Ive been playing guitar for 35 years and have a degree in music theory and modern harmony,I am also a guitar and amp tech,.Im speaking from my experience,not your experience when I say"PALM MUTING SUCKS" I've had so many customers who told me this,plus my own connections from local music stores who have very capable guitar techs(my friends ) and 2 tech's from fender yes FENDER whom I know well said the same thing..So since I know nothing of your background.It would be in your own best intrust to Question someone before you pass judgement.BTW I will watch your video after I post this.And I dont think my Vari 500 is a POS!



Re: Expected Release Date???
by MerlinFL on 2010-08-05 15:15:42

gtrpro wrote:

No Insult taken,Ive been playing guitar for 35 years and have a degree in music theory and modern harmony,I am also a guitar and amp tech,.Im speaking from my experience,not your experience when I say"PALM MUTING SUCKS" I've had so many customers who told me this,plus my own connections from local music stores who have very capable guitar techs(my friends ) and 2 tech's from fender yes FENDER whom I know well said the same thing..So since I know nothing of your background.It would be in your own best intrust to Question someone before you pass judgement.BTW I will watch your video after I post this.And I dont think my Vari 500 is a POS!

Well - the same can be said for yourself.  I was not offending you, I was not insulting you, nor do I can what your pedigree is.  I'm just tired of reading that same comment when most of the time, it's the model Vax, the set up of the guitar, the amp it is running through (anyone familiar with the proper use of noise gates?), plus most importantly it's how the palm muting is being done on the Vax in relation to a typical mag pup guitar.

However, since you brought your testosterone to this forum and chose to post your pedigree, I will offer mine as well since you mentioned not knowing what it is before I pass judgment (<--spelled correctly btw).

I'm going to be 50 in December,and I've been playing and trained in classical music since the age of 4 starting on piano.  I then added drums at age 10, then guitar at 13, then finally bass at 16.  I've gotten my BA in Classical Music Composition from Montclair State University in Montclair, NJ back in 1983.  Yeah, I skipped a couple of grades growing up.  I then while working in Corporate America to make the cash to start my own business, I played all over the tri-state area in cover bands starting in HS, until the drinking age changed and ruined the live band/club business in 1982.

I then started my own recording and rehearsal studio Merlin Music in NJ, which I owned and operated successfully growing from 4-track reel to reel up to 24-track reel to reel with digital mastering capabilities which I finished up owning a 4,000 sq ft facility with (6) fully equipped rehearsal rooms and the recording studio. Computer recording was still very new and much too expensive to run with back in those days.  However, I have a new Hard disk/Analog and 100% Computer based recording studio now in Ocala, FL where I've lived since 2001.  Besides my constant local live gig performing, I have still managed to keep the first love of my life at the forefront of my day to day existence.

I know hundreds of techs, sales reps for major companies, and I was the first US recording studio to be a Beta Test Center for Behringer when they started bringing their rack processing gear into the US from Germany.

Now can we get back to the productive comments regarding the new JTV??



Re: Expected Release Date???
by gtrpro on 2010-08-05 15:43:01

I am not getting into this petty BS with you and this is not about "I know more then he does"You've stated yourself that you were tired of reading the same comment,well obviously many others feel this way.My opinon still stands.My testosterone?wtf? sounds like your the one on the ego trip,and btw when you type fast like I do(wait there goes my testosterone again) you're bound to make mistakes,so come off it.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by brue58ski on 2010-08-07 03:46:14

What about the video.  Did it change your mind at all or not at all or did it not even represent the kind of palm muting you are talking about?



Re: Expected Release Date???
by brandon9271 on 2010-08-09 20:51:12

Do you have a link to any video or sound clip of the "Plunky" palm muting?  I'm not arguing with you about it I just would like to hear it.  I'm curious to know what causes it and if its just sort of intermittent problem or maybe even some sort of defect.  I've seen a few videos of folks palm muting with a Variax and I have a Variax 300 myself.  I'd really like to know what it is, when it happens and be able to recreate it.  I always thought that in general the Variax was weak with high gain.  I never noticed a palm muting problem but just in general I never found any sound that could compare to my Ibanez with Semour Duncans.  I thought the Variax really shined with lower gain for blues, jazz, country, etc and the ability to detune on the fly more than made up for the other shortcomings.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by MerlinFL on 2010-08-09 23:22:44

brandon9271 wrote:

Do you have a link to any video or sound clip of the "Plunky" palm muting?  I'm not arguing with you about it I just would like to hear it.  I'm curious to know what causes it and if its just sort of intermittent problem or maybe even some sort of defect.  I've seen a few videos of folks palm muting with a Variax and I have a Variax 300 myself.  I'd really like to know what it is, when it happens and be able to recreate it.  I always thought that in general the Variax was weak with high gain.  I never noticed a palm muting problem but just in general I never found any sound that could compare to my Ibanez with Semour Duncans.  I thought the Variax really shined with lower gain for blues, jazz, country, etc and the ability to detune on the fly more than made up for the other shortcomings.

Try scrolling up about half a dozen replies and you'll find one of my videos and for whatever miraculous reasons, neither of the two Vax Electric 700's I own make these unwanted sounds I've read about. Can't get to much more high gain than the patch I created on my Vetta.  If you need more gain than what I've posted, than that is certainly one of the problems.

I've spent hundreds of hours with hundreds of musicians playing all types of metal and the first thing I do...in my recoring studio or if I'm mixing them live...is get them to tone down the level of distortion they play with and put back most of the midrange most metal players take out.  Same for the bass players who take all the mids out to sound "more heavy".  This is a very common mistake made many players.  Too much distortion on rhythm patches just make what you play nothing but mush with no distinction between chords, notes, etc.  Turn down the distortion a little to a lot depending on how "insane your gain" is and discover how much clearer and heavier you sound when playing in your band as one guitar or especially two guitars.

I also think that since you have the 300 model which hands down is thw worst and cheapest of all the Variax guitars made now and in the future, I believe that the cheap craftsmanship, cheap wood, cheap everything other than the electronics on the inside are owned by those who have complained th most about these unwanted sounds.  This is not putting down Line 6, but they chose to put out a terrific model which is the 700, then they put out a cheap model the 300.  I presume the 300 was to get those people they knew would not spend money on a well crafted guitar for whatever the reason.

I hope this helps,

Neal



Re: Expected Release Date???
by brandon9271 on 2010-08-10 01:13:26

Thanks Neal   I actually already watched your video before I ever typed that post.  I was actually playing "devil's advocate" trying to get a view of the opposing opinion because I myself hadn't had any problems with palm muting but obviously enough people have made an issue of it.  I doubt they're all imagining it.  That's why I wanted to hear some examples of it.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by my_jesus_saved_me on 2010-08-10 20:59:00

meistsf wrote:

I was looking forward to trying an EBow with the pickups.  That should work better than before, right?

From my experience there's a huge difference between Variax Ebow and Mag Ebow.

I have had a 600 for several years, and got proficient with the Ebow before I got a variax.  The first thing I noticed with the variax was that it was a lot quieter, and there was a lack of "swell" that you can acheive with the Mag Pickups.  With the Mags, you can slide the ebow towards the pickup you're using (most of the time the neck for me because it's a richer tone).  As you slide you get variations on the tone...you can do almost tremolo type effects (all be it very slow trem).

I think that having magnetic pickups on the new variax is going to be a really awesome thing for me.  Because it'll allow me to do those kinds of things with the ebow.  The Variax sounded ok with the ebow, but it just wasn't as rich as I wanted.  I still have my Schecter Tempest which has coil tapping so I can get a wide range of tones, but since those things are being combined, I think it's awesome.  I look forward to playing around with the different settings.

Let me know if you have any more Ebow questions.  I've been using one for about 5 or 6 years now.

Justin



Release date must have occured
by jtravisiii on 2010-08-21 09:14:51

Sweetwater says mine will be shipped next week. I am getting a black JTV59.

Jim Travis



Re: Release date must have occured
by MerlinFL on 2010-08-21 10:10:15

jtravisiii wrote:

Sweetwater says mine will be shipped next week. I am getting a black JTV59.

Jim Travis

As far as what has been revised about the release dates, I hope I'm wrong, but I do believe you have been given incorrect information.  I'd like to know either way if it's not too much trouble for you to post your findings on here please?



Re: Release date must have occured
by jtravisiii on 2010-08-21 10:46:25

Sure -- I'll let you know. I talked to my sales engineer this week and he expects two of the black models in on the 28th of August and will ship immediately

JT



Re: Expected Release Date???
by MartinHines on 2010-08-22 18:43:41

Ignore



Re: Expected Release Date???
by MartinHines on 2010-08-22 18:45:19

gtrpro wrote:

There is no doubt in my mind this is just another line 6 recycling atempt I only have 1 question,WILL PALM MUTING ON THE BRIDGE WITH HEAVY DISTROTION STILL SUCK USING THE GUITAR MODELS,NOT THE MAGNETICS.    My guess is YES, it will..That makes me think that the new variax toy is gonna bomb like muhammad ala!

Why not wait untill you can ACTUALLY DEMO the product before you pass judgement on it?



Re: Expected Release Date???
by RichRenken on 2010-08-22 23:42:15

gtrpro wrote:

There is no doubt in my mind this is just another line 6 recycling atempt I only have 1 question,WILL PALM MUTING ON THE BRIDGE WITH HEAVY DISTROTION STILL SUCK USING THE GUITAR MODELS,NOT THE MAGNETICS.    My guess is YES, it will..That makes me think that the new variax toy is gonna bomb like muhammad ala!

This is not a recycling attempt. Go to www.tylervariax.com and read all my blogs about what is coming.

The Clang tone that guys got while palm muting has been, for all intents and purposes, eliminated.

If you are talking about the tone of the palm muting, it is much better. You will have to get out there and check it out. Ben Moody from We Are The Fallen used a JTV-89US on their latest tour. He is beta testing for me. He had no problems palm muting.

Have you heard their new stuff?



Re: Expected Release Date???
by RichRenken on 2010-08-22 23:44:04

meistsf wrote:

Huh?  Geeze, I was looking forward to trying an EBow with the pickups.  That should work better than before, right?

Yes that should work better for sure with the magnetic pickups.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by RichRenken on 2010-08-22 23:55:02

brandon9271 wrote:

Do you have a link to any video or sound clip of the "Plunky" palm muting?  I'm not arguing with you about it I just would like to hear it.  I'm curious to know what causes it and if its just sort of intermittent problem or maybe even some sort of defect.  I've seen a few videos of folks palm muting with a Variax and I have a Variax 300 myself.  I'd really like to know what it is, when it happens and be able to recreate it.  I always thought that in general the Variax was weak with high gain.  I never noticed a palm muting problem but just in general I never found any sound that could compare to my Ibanez with Semour Duncans.  I thought the Variax really shined with lower gain for blues, jazz, country, etc and the ability to detune on the fly more than made up for the other shortcomings.

It is not intermitent. It is in all piezo pickups. Now that I can identify it, I hear it even on a clean acoustic guitar's amplified piezo bridge.

You guys can read about it in my blog here. http://tylervariax.com/2010/06/08/183/piezo-pickups-the-heart-of-the-matter/

It explains it and how we got rid of it.



Re: Release date must have occured
by artnpam on 2010-08-26 00:20:37

I also heard from Sweetwater that the ETA for my JTV-69 (3 tone) was 9/9, that was a couple of weeks ago though and I haven't received any word since that there would be a delay.

- Art



Re: Release date must have occured
by meistsf on 2010-08-26 05:32:53

I emailed Luke at Sweetwater yesterday and he says my 69 will be in on the 14th of September.  I am getting a sunburst model.

I am not going to hold my breath, however.



Re: Release date must have occured
by artnpam on 2010-08-26 13:47:45

Just got another email confirmation stating that ETA for mine is still 9/9.



Re: Release date must have occured
by meistsf on 2010-08-28 09:51:30

Sounds like I had better fire my salesman at sweetwater and hire yours!  Just joking....I hope you are right.  I am quite anxious.  I work my V600 quite hard at jobs, and struggle with less than perfect Piezo pickups. ( I have, however, found a solution to my issues where the piezo's die at a gig.  I keep a hair dryer on a mic stand and blow hot air on the piezos when the humidity is high and that dries them out and makes them work again.  It's like magic.)

Welcome better piezos and mag pickups.  Welcome wireless to actually go out in front of the house pa and find out how things really sound....



Re: Release date must have occured
by JasonPenn on 2010-08-29 08:18:03

I called Sweetwater Fri to order some strings to be shipped with the JTV69.  The guy told me it was supposed to be in that day, but it hadn't shown up.  Hopefully it'll come in Monday so maybe I'll have it by Friday!!!!



Re: Release date must have occured
by RogerZ on 2010-08-29 15:37:22

Thomann in Germany confirms that, say they can deliver a JTV69 in Lake Placid Blue in 2-5 days.

http://www.thomann.de/gb/line_6_jtv_69_james_tyler_variax_lpb.htm



Re: Release date must have occured
by meistsf on 2010-08-30 06:36:02

So did this really happen?  Did SWater get a shipment?  I am holding my breath and my lips are turning blue.



Re: Release date must have occured
by artnpam on 2010-08-30 07:07:53

I'm assuming they are getting some in and will ship them according to who pre-ordered first.  I placed my order for the 3 tone burst JTV-69 on June 29th, and as I stated above, was given an ETA of 9/9.



Re: Release date must have occured
by meistsf on 2010-08-30 07:16:52

I ordered mine on 15 July, so you beat me by a couple of weeks.  You may be right on staggering the shipping dates, but I would have thought that the pre-order would bunch these together so that when the factory was up and running, they would simply make sure and increase the initial inventory of guaranteed sales.

I would like to see the factory layout, wouldn't you?



Re: Release date must have occured
by RogerZ on 2010-08-30 09:40:46

Just heard that my JTV69 won't be available until october . News came from my guitarshop salesman. He just heard it from a Line 6, due to problems in the factory in Korea. He also said that Thomann won't be able to deliver the guitar in 2-5 days as promised on their website (the Lake Placid Blue one). The guitars simply aren't there! Waiting waiting...



Re: Release date must have occured
by grimm26 on 2010-08-30 11:46:15

Amazon says Sept 17 for the JTV-69 in black.



Re: Release date must have occured
by iainpwboyd on 2010-08-31 07:39:04

DV in the UK are also reporting October (at best) for delivery. That'll be four months from putting my deposit down. Better be worth the wait! Oh well, have to keeping plugging away with my 'old' V700.



Re: Release date must have occured
by artnpam on 2010-08-31 14:09:22

Unfortunately, I got a call from my Sweetwater sales engineer today that said that the ETA was pushed back to October 15th.



Re: Release date must have occured
by JasonPenn on 2010-09-01 02:47:04

yep Sweetwater now says early October for me also.  I guess it's no big deal, I'd rather the guitar be right,  than right now.



Re: Release date must have occured
by iron on 2010-09-03 05:24:22

When I talked to my rep at Sweetwater 090210 he mentioned that Line 6 was demo'ing the pod HD 300/400/500 and Tyler variax for SE training.  I had him walk over and get realistic release dates from them of which they replied that it could be November.

Semiconductors are at all time high as far as lead times go.  Many memory parts are 26+ week LT.  Companies that get the parts right now are big companies that push a lot of volume (Apple, HTC, Dell, Cisco,etc); Line 6 would be considered mid to low volume in my industry and would be near bottom of allocation list.  I am not sure what kind of processors that are in the variax but if they boot from dataflash let's hope they got their order in a long time ago.

We can only be patient.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by hey_guitarman on 2010-09-03 10:31:05

In the meantime Thomann in Germany shows "available within 2 to 5 days" for two 59s and two 69s. This has been updated recently, so I guess they know why they did it.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by arnegleason on 2010-09-03 11:04:52

Personally, I take those "available within..." things with a grain of salt - even when ordering long-since-released-but-not-in-stock items.
I've set my expectations on receiving the JTV I've pre-ordered by early Nov. I'd love to think that I could get an HD500 to go with it shortly after, but would even be super happy with late Dec.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by iron on 2010-09-03 15:08:53

Yeah, I am quite curious about the hd series. I thought the x3 sounded really good.  Have you heard any juicy info about them?



Re: Expected Release Date???
by arnegleason on 2010-09-03 16:14:30

I don't really know anything for certain about the Pod HD500. I've been Googling for info for it since stumbling across the product name a couple weeks back.  There's a bit of what seems to be real Pod HD info in this thread http://line6.com/community/thread/42010. It seems to have fewer Amp models than the X3 so my guess is that it's a bit of a fresh start on that front (I guess sometimes you have to take little step back to make that next step forward).



Re: Release date must have occured
by RichRenken on 2010-09-05 00:43:23

JasonPenn wrote:

yep Sweetwater now says early October for me also.  I guess it's no big deal, I'd rather the guitar be right,  than right now.

That is exactly it. We completely agree all the way up to board level. This is a very important product. I will be getting you guys a new date very soon. So sorry to hold off, it is the worst thing you can do to early adopters. Stay tuned.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by Johan_de_Greyze on 2010-09-08 09:00:14

Hey guys here a message from Holland. The release date here was expected to be end of August. After reading your discussions I asked my Music store if they already had a new date. Expectations are end of November/beginning of December (Korean)



Re: Expected Release Date???
by Nick_Mattocks on 2010-09-09 05:14:13

Johan_de_Greyze wrote:

Hey guys here a message from Holland. The release date here was expected to be end of August. After reading your discussions I asked my Music store if they already had a new date. Expectations are end of November/beginning of December (Korean)

Really? That's quite a while to wait, but I'm sure it will be worth it.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by jenningsmusic on 2010-09-09 09:53:42

I hope no one is holding their breath. I still remember how many times my pre-order was delayed for the first Variax. I finally cancelled my pre-order in frustration. I started monitoring all the Guitar Centers in the Los Angeles area and ended up getting one of the first any of them had. I still love it and use it all the time with my Vetta II but it may be relegated to it's case when I get my hands on a JTV-59!

The only thing I've ever changed on my original Variax is the pickguard because I hated the one that came on it. Here's a pic.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by FragileMusic on 2010-09-10 07:16:29

Amazon says september 17th they are planned to arrive. I'm really hoping this is true! Guitar center finally started carrying them....and say it's due out December 31st. I already bought mine from amazon. Hopefully soon! I don't have another electric, and i recently sold my les paul to help pay for this!



Re: Expected Release Date???
by digiprod on 2010-09-10 07:31:38

Anyone know if the Amazon date is the American built James Tyler Variax or the Korean ones?

I own a Variax 300 Electric I love the modeling, but not in love with the guitar's quality. Recently I bought a Fender VG American made Strat and although, the guitar is better as you would expect, the modeling sounds are not in the same class with the $300 Variax 300. The Fender is a better guitar and I paid $1000 used, so this is expected. I am actually thinking of swapping out the Fender pickups on the VG with Lindy Fralins as the stock pickups as not too exciting and do not sound as good as two other Strats I have. It is no wonder why Fender discontinued the VG. The best feature is the alternate tuning on a knob on the VG, which the JTV will have covered and probably be better.

I also own a Variax 700 Acoustic which is fun.

I am looking forward to buying the JTV, probably the JTV-69US. I think this will be the best modeling guitar ever. I just wonder what the pricing and quality will be compared to the Korean model.

Love this review:

http://www.musicradar.com/gear/all/guitars/electric/6-string-solid-body/james-tyler-variax-jtv-69us-274926/review



Re: Expected Release Date???
by Johan_de_Greyze on 2010-09-10 07:44:57

The shop where I intend to buy my JTV 69 advertises at € 969 for the Korean version. I am not affraid for the quality. The Koreans can build really good guitars. I have an acoustic Breedlove 12 string and it is more stable than my Taylors.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by digiprod on 2010-09-10 08:19:23

Thanks for the info. I wish there was a place local were I could actually compare the US and Korean models.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by MerlinFL on 2010-09-10 14:13:39

digiprod wrote:

Anyone know if the Amazon date is the American built James Tyler Variax or the Korean ones?

I own a Variax 300 Electric I love the modeling, but not in love with the guitar's quality. Recently I bought a Fender VG American made Strat and although, the guitar is better as you would expect, the modeling sounds are not in the same class with the $300 Variax 300. The Fender is a better guitar and I paid $1000 used, so this is expected. I am actually thinking of swapping out the Fender pickups on the VG with Lindy Fralins as the stock pickups as not too exciting and do not sound as good as two other Strats I have. It is no wonder why Fender discontinued the VG. The best feature is the alternate tuning on a knob on the VG, which the JTV will have covered and probably be better.

I also own a Variax 700 Acoustic which is fun.

I am looking forward to buying the JTV, probably the JTV-69US. I think this will be the best modeling guitar ever. I just wonder what the pricing and quality will be compared to the Korean model.

Love this review:

http://www.musicradar.com/gear/all/guitars/electric/6-string-solid-body/james-tyler-variax-jtv-69us-274926/review

The answer to your price question is easy.  If the price is about $1,000.00 then it is Korean, if it's about $3,000.00 then it's American.

I also have no idea how Amazon can show the expected shipping date much earlier than most every other retailer has come to find out has been pushed back.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by FragileMusic on 2010-09-17 05:13:23

Yupp, amazon just screwed up ughhhh. At least they haven't charged my card til they get it in stock, but they don't even KNOW when they'll be getting it. Guess i'll be guitarless for awhile. PLEASE hurry it up Korea! ;]



Re: Expected Release Date???
by ozbadman on 2010-09-21 09:36:35

Any update on a release date Rich?



Re: Expected Release Date???
by Rockin on 2010-09-22 20:59:58

I have been wanting to get a Tyler Variax ever since I saw the video demos of them at MusikMesse, I have the cash and want to buy it now. The main thing that I want it for is the alternate tunings as it will prevent the need to have a stack of guitars each in a set tuning.

So it's a Tyler Variax or buy several (...several more) mid priced guitars, the fact that there is no real set it stone release date or even an official approximate date is VERY frustrating. Line6 is just leaving the community and potential customers (such as myself) chasing our tails, it's very unprofessional and it's starting to get insulting.

I already own other Line6 products (Pod X3 Live for one) and while I REALLY want one of these guitars (especially because it will be the perfect partner for my Pod X3 Live) I won't wait forever, I need a date or at least a proper timeframe of when I can get my hands on my new guitar. And no, stating "end of summer" doesn't count, It's mid-September and it's raining outside, where is my guitar?  I am still torn between the 59 (will probably go with the 59) and the 89, when will a store near me have the guitars to try or at the very least when can I go to an online store and give them my money knowing that the guitar will show up at my door?



Re: Expected Release Date???
by ozbadman on 2010-09-22 22:23:17

I'd just like to back up line 6 on this. I understand your frustration Rockin, but I'm just pleased that we have any information about the upcoming releases, and some approximate release date. Apple doesn't tell you anything until the day of release so it doesn't hurt sales of existing products. Yes, we're all excited, but I don't think Line 6 owes us any release date information necessarily, nor do I consider it unprofessional. As someone said, I'd rather it was "right" than "right now", and Line 6 is to some degree at the mercy of their suppliers. First releases often get delayed as it's difficult to predict timings. I'm excited they're making these truly unique, and well-priced products, I'm looking forward to other up-coming products like the POD HD series (which got leaked by the way so again, they don't OWE us any information). That being said, I'm hoping that Rich may give us an update on the likely release date once he has a better idea when it's likely to fall and yes, I agree these timings directly affect our savings plans and equipment purchases. The latest I have from Sweetwater is still mid-October, but as I understand it, only for a limited run which means people who want one soon-ish had better get their pre-order in.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by MerlinFL on 2010-09-23 00:33:24

Rockin wrote:

I have been wanting to get a Tyler Variax ever since I saw the video demos of them at MusikMesse, I have the cash and want to buy it now. The main thing that I want it for is the alternate tunings as it will prevent the need to have a stack of guitars each in a set tuning.

So it's a Tyler Variax or buy several (...several more) mid priced guitars, the fact that there is no real set it stone release date or even an official approximate date is VERY frustrating. Line6 is just leaving the community and potential customers (such as myself) chasing our tails, it's very unprofessional and it's starting to get insulting.

I already own other Line6 products (Pod X3 Live for one) and while I REALLY want one of these guitars (especially because it will be the perfect partner for my Pod X3 Live) I won't wait forever, I need a date or at least a proper timeframe of when I can get my hands on my new guitar. And no, stating "end of summer" doesn't count, It's mid-September and it's raining outside, where is my guitar?  I am still torn between the 59 (will probably go with the 59) and the 89, when will a store near me have the guitars to try or at the very least when can I go to an online store and give them my money knowing that the guitar will show up at my door?

How about doing like one of the forefather's of America did in his approach to life???

Benjamin Franklin said, "I always expect the worse, so if anything good happens I'm pleasantly surprised.  Conversely if things go wrong, I was expecting it and therefore I'm not disappointed."

So using the wisdom of someone much smarter & wiser than I could ever be, took this approach to life in general.  How about taking this approach to the release of the JTV guitars and most importantly, the date you might get the model you choose to order.  The latest date I've seen was near Christmas.  Why not use this VERY later than expected release date to plan your finances, etc.  PRE-ORDER the model guitar(s) YOU wish to have, then just kick back and if it arrives BEFORE Christmas time - you're feeling good about things, right??  I was not the genius who thought up this approach to life, but I choose to use it most of the time.  If you "snooze" on making a pre-order with a reputable retailer, then you might "lose".  None of them will charge you a penny for any pre-order, but it WILL reserve you a place in line.

If you prefer common sense (logical thinking for those unfamiliar with common sense) - how about this?

What is the benefit to Line 6 in ANYWAY, SHAPE, OR FORM, to NOT get these guitars OUT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.  They've already SPENT their tens of thousands (guessing) of US dollars for the recent YEARS of R&D of the new CPU/Firmware and the techs salaries, paying James Tyler for his work and designs, paying World Music (At least a down payment, or possibly more), for a production run.  I KNOW this part is 100% true based on other manufacturing business I am familiar with)and ANY OTHER manufacturer of parts used.  Right now Line 6 in just this JTV category is SEVERELY running in NEGATIVE DOLLARS!!  How does holding up delivery in any way make the company better off in any financial way?  How does it help that the several prototypes are out there in the hands of various famous players.  How does having the COVER STORY on the UK magazine with NO JTV's to send to customers all over the world benefit Line 6 or Rich Renken as the Advocate for this product??

And just in case anyone reading this moght think I'm some Line 6 kiss-a$$...Nope, I'm pretty upset about Line 6 NOT having finalized shipping dates for the "first wave of EACH MODEL" then an ETA of when the "SECOND WAVE of each model" will ship.

I can't believe that World music who builds amazing quality guitars for a budget can not give Line 6 answers to their questions about production questions.  UNLESS, there is something none of us know about regarding parts, and other construction parts that are not manufactured at World Music and everyone is replying on OTHER manufacturing companies to keep THEIR projected deadlines and KEEP UP THE QUALITY.  As already said - Right now is not as good as DONE RIGHT.

Just my 47 cents.

PEACE TO ALL!!



Re: Expected Release Date???
by Johan_de_Greyze on 2010-09-23 01:55:01

Wisely spoken of MerlinFL, but I suppose that's why your name is Merlin ☺

I fully agree, personnally I do the same. A friend of mine had a holiday in the US during the last weeks. We play guitar on a regular basis and I told him before he left, that when he would be back I probably would have my new toy (JTV69). During his holiday he send me an e-mail and asked if I already got it. As you all may guess the answer was no. I also had seen the Christmas expectation and wrote him that I had reset my expectation to the beginning of next year.

Another argument to wait untill the second wave is: A new product may have starting problems. In our company it is a saying that you should not use a software product before the second service pack has been released or even better the third........... In my opinion that is for people who look for absolute certainty.

Despite of all this writing......... WHY ISN''T IT YET FEBRUARY 2011

How many cents is that?



Re: Expected Release Date???
by digiprod on 2010-09-23 08:49:38

I surely think the frustration Rockin is feeling is the perception of slipped shipping dates. Using Apple is not a good example. Apple does provide a ship dates that are usually quite accurate (I am an Apple Consultant that owns his own company). Apple does unveil new products before shipping with an accurate release date (unless they are just incremental updates to existing products). As they have done with new iPod models, iPhones, Mac Air, and recently new Apple TV.

The frustration for users is unveiling a new product with reviews by major publications and everything without a ship date or worst yet, several slipped ship dates. In the computer industry (where I work) we sometimes call that vaporware. Now I am not at all saying that the new Variax is vaporware as I am quite sure it is coming soon.

It is always nice when a company can show a new product, announce an availability date and actually deliver on or around that date. For any of us Line 6 Variax customers from the first generation we know the track record does not show that Line 6 has been able to do this. Many of us have pre-orders placed with no "real" ship date known that we can trust. So jumping all over the guy (Rockin) is not the polite thing or wise thing to do. All we can say is we must be patient and it is Line 6 that should be LUCKY that they have customers that will wait and buy their products with their hard earned cash in the middle of a recession, not the other way around!

Yes, Line 6 has spent tens of thousands of dollars, maybe more in R&D and manufacturing and surely wants their product sold, but apparently they have not done a very good job of providing actual delivery dates to their customers now or in the past. This of course will lead to frustration and IF Variax had competition they may have lost business.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by jenningsmusic on 2010-09-23 09:48:11

digiprod wrote:

I surely think the frustration Rockin is feeling is the perception of slipped shipping dates. Using Apple is not a good example. Apple does provide a ship dates that are usually quite accurate (I am an Apple Consultant that owns his own company). Apple does unveil new products before shipping with an accurate release date (unless they are just incremental updates to existing products). As they have done with new iPod models, iPhones, Mac Air, and recently new Apple TV.

The frustration for users is unveiling a new product with reviews by major publications and everything without a ship date or worst yet, several slipped ship dates. In the computer industry (where I work) we sometimes call that vaporware. Now I am not at all saying that the new Variax is vaporware as I am quite sure it is coming soon.

It is always nice when a company can show a new product, announce an availability date and actually deliver on or around that date. For any of us Line 6 Variax customers from the first generation we know the track record does not show that Line 6 has been able to do this. Many of us have pre-orders placed with no "real" ship date known that we can trust. So jumping all over the guy (Rockin) is not the polite thing or wise thing to do. All we can say is we must be patient and it is Line 6 that should be LUCKY that they have customers that will wait and buy their products with their hard earned cash in the middle of a recession, not the other way around!

Yes, Line 6 has spent tens of thousands of dollars, maybe more in R&D and manufacturing and surely wants their product sold, but apparently they have not done a very good job of providing actual delivery dates to their customers now or in the past. This of course will lead to frustration and IF Variax had competition they may have lost business.

Very true but the fact remains that the Variax has no (serious) competition and I think we should all be patient and thank our lucky stars (and, of course, Line 6) that this wonder of technology even exists!



Re: Expected Release Date???
by blahblahdeleter on 2010-09-23 20:44:02

Guys, you also need to remember that unlike many (most?) of Line 6's new product introductions, this one was clearly pre-announced. We can all speculate why, but some marketing decisions were made by Line 6 to pre-announce this, dribble out details, show it around shows, loan out betas, launch a blog, release photos, etc. etc. etc. There's still no official product information on this website.

So create buzz they did, and now they'll have to put up with the disatisfaction of folks who feel like they've gone beyond some "loosely alluded to" introduction date.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by iron on 2010-09-24 05:20:07

I think we should also remember that to some extent they have involved the community in the conceptualization process.  This was quite cool.  Kind of like The Public Record.  Who here contributed to Methods of Mayhem?

Anyways, design cycle in electronics is normally a year; this means that from idea to production can take that long (or more).  Some of my dataflash vendors are quoting 26+ week lead times as well.  TI's lead times were simply 2011 for a long time (not much better).  There are a lot of factors that are involved with this product.  Yes, we were (to some extent) involved as well.  Maybe we knew too much too soon and couldn't handle it? 



Re: Expected Release Date???
by gitarzan53 on 2010-09-28 18:45:30

I just got my line 6 tour from one Rich Renken today! I'm blown away by the place and the people that are Line 6. As far as when the release date is, I'm afraid I can't offer much insight, because it's "day to day". The reason for the delay could probably be summed up in one word..."suppliers". I think the delay is a bit out of Line 6's hands, but only because they, and Rich in particular are sticklers for quality. It's really quite a balancing act, the two sides being quality and the other being "let's just get the product out there!". I did get to see and touch all models, both Korean and US, as well as hear them. I can tell you the quality is superb, way beyond the first generation, and the sound is much improved. Any of you could tell the difference immediately. They were busy there shooting promo pics of the guitars, so it's all happening, just not on the timetable they (and we) wanted. All I can say is hang in there. You will love these guitars!



Re: Expected Release Date???
by iron on 2010-09-28 18:48:32

Thanks for the post dude. 

I just remembered I ordered one of these bad boys.  Cool.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by digiprod on 2010-09-29 05:16:32

Any thoughts or info regarding the U.S. vs the Korean models?



Re: Expected Release Date???
by gitarzan53 on 2010-09-29 09:07:37

There isn't an obvious drop in quality on the Korean ones, but there are major differences. They're the same differences that have been stated on other posts and by Rich in his blog, mostly having to do with construction, wood used, upgraded tuners and the like. When you look at them side by side? Not a lot different looking as you'd expect from the price difference. The fact that the US ones are handmade, rather than assembly line and the different materials used, etc. is what people who would want the US ones would be paying extra for. The good news for the people wanting the Korean ones is that they retain the look and feel of the US ones, IMO.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by MerlinFL on 2010-09-29 13:55:32

gitarzan53 wrote:

There isn't an obvious drop in quality on the Korean ones, but there are major differences. They're the same differences that have been stated on other posts and by Rich in his blog, mostly having to do with construction, wood used, upgraded tuners and the like. When you look at them side by side? Not a lot different looking as you'd expect from the price difference. The fact that the US ones are handmade, rather than assembly line and the different materials used, etc. is what people who would want the US ones would be paying extra for. The good news for the people wanting the Korean ones is that they retain the look and feel of the US ones, IMO.

This is 100% correct in both my opinion and in the statment of facts mentoned in the website www.tylervariax.com .

I've been a Beta person for this new line of Variax guitars.  I just got my US model 59 last week.  I can say from now having gotten a chance to physically touch one of the models of JTV that I and many others on this site have helped create in a limited way.

With that said - I can say that the US version model 59 is truly an excellent crafted instrument.  Everything that has been talked about and made official in the past 1 1/2 from the design by James Tyler of each model, through the new CPU with much more advanced Variax "stock" guitar models, through the mag pups, and finally to my personal favorite feature is the alt tuning control.

I have (2) model 700s from the first series of Variax.  I LOVE them still, but I'm creating a side by side comparison video demo which Rich R. will approve before it is posted anywhere...and let me say for the record...the computer side of this guitar is truly and utterly superior in 99 out of a 100 points that have been discussed and remarked about by others who have touched one of these JTV guitars.  NOT ONE THING will be different in THIS aspect between the US and Korean versions.  Even the new "Tyler specified" magnetic pick-ups are EXACTLY THE SAME in both versions of each guitar model which was a last minute upgrade to the Korean models after L6 worked out the production costs of those pick-ups.

I have yet to touch a Korean made version of any JTV, besides the stated differences, it really is the difference of the "Nearly all assembled, dressed, tweaked, set up, etc., etc., by hand in various parts of California, USA"  aspects that ARE the approximately $3,000.00US price difference.  Also different and more costly is...the second battery, the high end quality hard shell case, and the very limited production of each JTV model in the US versions.

I hope this information from someone who now can speak authoritatively about a US model 59 is helpful and useful to anyone still thinking which version they might wish to buy.

Take care,
Neal



Re: Expected Release Date???
by digiprod on 2010-09-29 14:12:54

I just got off the phone with Sweetwater who called to give me status on a Bass Amp I ordered and the JTV I have on pre-order. They tell me the JTV-69 model I have on pre-order may be shipping by second week of October. So that is in a little over two weeks. He said he thought the date was quite firm and that they have a lot of pre-orders for this.

That sounded a lot better than end of December I have been hearing in some places online. Thought I would pass this along.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by digiprod on 2010-09-29 14:14:55

Thanks for the info. Limited production of the US models maybe all Line 6 needs as I bet the Korean models out sell the US models over 100 to 1.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by MartinHines on 2010-09-30 07:46:06

The ratio may not be that high, but given the price difference a high ratio is to be expected.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by iainpwboyd on 2010-09-30 14:26:14

Thanks, Neal, for an excellent update and it sounds like you're really enjoying your '69, you lucky devil.

If I can strike a different note here: in a perverse kind of way, I'm really enjoying the wait for the JTV I've had on order since June. It feels like Christmas, when you know the day is going to come when the phone is going to ring and the great moment will have arrived. It's not like there isn't an axe or two around the place if I feel the urge to play something. And this gradual crystalisation of information we've been getting through this wonderful board just makes it all the more tantalisingly close. I can't wait! Except I can wait and enjoy every moment.

Because once the beast is here (JTV 59 in Cherry or Tobacco - I've pre-ordered both and will pick one), I will once again have to face the fact that just buying a new and better guitar is not enough to make me a better guitarist. I'll be the same old dough-fingers but, maybe, with a better sound. Aaagh damn you reality, with your in-the-face fact thrusting!

All the new design and improvements sound terrific, though I wish that they'd designed the electronics truly from the ground up so you could load in sound banks rather as you do with keyboards like the Clavia Nord. Frankly I'd prefer a simple top-notch implementation of the four or five guitars sounds I use all the time and leave the Banjos and Gretches and dozens of others on the computer until the unlikely day that I might need them.

Might it really be as soon as next month? I hope so/not/so/not/so.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by gitarzan53 on 2010-09-30 16:38:42

"All the new design and improvements sound terrific, though I wish that they'd designed the electronics truly from the ground up so you could load in sound banks rather as you do with keyboards like the Clavia Nord. Frankly I'd prefer a simple top-notch implementation of the four or five guitars sounds I use all the time and leave the Banjos and Gretches and dozens of others on the computer until the unlikely day that I might need them."   

It sounds like you're describing workbench. Do you use it?



Re: Expected Release Date???
by Rockin on 2010-09-30 19:06:21

It's been interesting and occasionally mind blowing to read your comments to my post so I thought I would post an update.

I wanted one of the new Variax guitars because they had a lot of cool features that I could and would use, but there were also some things that I didn't like about each of the offerings.

The 59 made sense because I like the sound of mahogany and wanted a LP style guitar but I prefer 24 fret necks and in traditional LP style the 59 only has 22 frets.

The 89 has 24 frets and the default tuning options are more in line with what I use, but I don't like basswood and the raised center that runs along the body places a ridge where I normally place my ring finger and pinkie and would drive me mad.

The Variax is a modeling guitar and while it would have been interesting and occasionally useful to use the other models, what I really wanted it for was the alternate tunings and this is where the Variax does have some competition (of a sort.)

My choices were to either get a Variax or get a couple of guitars that I could leave in a set tuning, I have the money now and while some are willing to wait an undetermined amount of time I could not.

While I was excited about the potential for the guitars as a whole, I was not excited about any individual model of guitar which is why I didn't know which one to finally get.

My local store had a sale, I was able to purchase 2 awesome guitars at a great price. Both of my new guitars do excite me and I've been playing them almost non-stop since I got them (damn my fingers are sore! LOL)

I needed an official release date from Line6 because it directly affected my purchase options and decisions, in the end the lack of a date helped me with my final choice.

Maybe one day I will own a James Tyler Variax, but for now my Variax journey has ended and I'm happy with the path I took.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by grimm26 on 2010-09-30 19:29:48

Actually, the JTV-89's body wood is listed as mahagony.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by variaxlover on 2010-09-30 19:35:11

May I ask which guitars you bought?  I am in a similar situation and very curious.



Re: Release date must have occured
by gtrpro on 2010-10-01 17:27:43

Hate to rain on your parade But I just spoke with Musicians Friend and they told me the release dates been pushed back to the end of the year.If this is TRUE,LINE 6 TAKE NOTE,stop with the "BUILD UP THE BULLSHIT HYPE" and be straight up with your customers.They(line 6) always do this crap to us



Re: Release date must have occured
by mulvennk on 2010-10-02 07:45:41

I'm with you - to the point of contemplating the cancellation of my pre-order. Why does Line 6 host this board and not provide accurate and timely information? Surely they must know the status of their products why not just be open about it - do they think they're Apple?



Re: Release date must have occured
by MartinHines on 2010-10-02 10:52:43

Line6 will give us an update on the status as soon as they feel they can give us accurate information.

Problems and delays sometimes happen with the manufacturing and distribution of a new product, and the situation can be fluid, meaning information is constantly changing. I have no doubt that Line6 will get these out as soon as they can.

I have my order in, and if it gets here by Christmas I will be happy.



Re: Release date must have occured
by digiprod on 2010-10-02 13:49:51

No they are NOT Apple. When Apple announces a new product they ALWAYS give an accurate ship date they stick by. That does not seem to be the case here. All we are hearing is excuses of manufacturing, parts, etc. That is all part of releasing a product for all companies, especially sine even Apple does not manufacture their OWN products they design them!



Re: Release date must have occured
by gtrpro on 2010-10-02 17:06:33

If you believe that bullshit,all the best to you then Heres the facts tho Line6 delayed the release dates with the original pod,the original variax,the variax bass,the variax acoustic model,the Vetta amp,the pod x3live,the original plugin for gearbox,The Pod x3 live didn't have a software editor for months after its release,oh whats the point.If you have 1 on order I wouldn't be suprised if you don't get it till the first quarter of 2011.



Re: Release date must have occured
by defkaf on 2010-10-02 19:54:46

For whtat it's worth...

I ordered a JTV59 in Cherry sunburst from Elderly in August. Initially their website showed an expected arrival date for some of the models of something like the first week of September. The date soon disappeared from their website, and it showed no expected date for quite awhile. I took another look on Friday (Oct 1st) and it now shows an expected arrival date of November 11th.

Hopefully this means they heard something from Line-6. I have no choice but to wait. I've been waiting, and looking, for a guitar that would get me a decent acoustic sound and switch easily to electric tones for leads and fills for over 15 years. If this is it, then another month or two is practically no time at all!



Re: Expected Release Date???
by dkemusic on 2010-10-02 23:23:44

I like most others would rather it ship sooner rather than later, but then again it gives me more time to sell my 700.  I'm sure Line6 would like them to already be available, but there's not much they or any one can do if an unexpected problem comes up.

Dan



Re: Expected Release Date???
by ozbadman on 2010-10-02 23:30:16

Well, one thing they could do is let us know, so we can all calm down our salivation. I notice Line6 hasn't posted in here for awhile. It'd be nice if they just added a post saying yep, sorry guys, we've had to delay shipment due to XXX but we're hoping that they should now be available...etc. Managing our expectations is a useful thing for Line 6 to do I think.



Re: Release date must have occured
by U2acrobatNL on 2010-10-03 00:54:59

I'm surprised at all the flaming that goes on here. Give me one good reason why Line 6 would sit on a warehouse full of JTV's, and deliberately delay the introduction? Surely they will get it out as soon as they can, if only to bring forward the cash flow. The simple fact that they're not available yet means that they cannot ship them yet ... for whatever reason. That reason may be availability of parts and/or resources, the reason may also be that they are not yet fully satisfied with the quality of the guitars.

Don't get me wrong; I would love to have UPS at my door tomorrow to deliver my JTV-69 but I'd rather have it in 2 months time if that's what it takes to get the guitar up to standard.



Re: Release date must have occured
by MerlinFL on 2010-10-03 00:58:41

defkaf wrote:

For whtat it's worth...

I ordered a JTV59 in Cherry sunburst from Elderly in August. Initially their website showed an expected arrival date for some of the models of something like the first week of September. The date soon disappeared from their website, and it showed no expected date for quite awhile. I took another look on Friday (Oct 1st) and it now shows an expected arrival date of November 11th.

Hopefully this means they heard something from Line-6. I have no choice but to wait. I've been waiting, and looking, for a guitar that would get me a decent acoustic sound and switch easily to electric tones for leads and fills for over 15 years. If this is it, then another month or two is practically no time at all!

I can simply answer your concerns about your JTV pre-ordered guitar.  You WILL have an amazing guitar that can emulate 6 & 12 string acoustic guitars with tunings from standard pitch all the way down to Baritone which is the E becoming a B and so on from there - even in 12-string mode which sounds really cool.  Then you will have anythig from the mag pups to any of the modeled electric guitar to choose from.

I HAVE been fortunate enough to put my hands on one and play it throughly, and I am making you this promise.  you will be very happy to placed an order whenever the guitar reaches your hands.

Best of luck!!



Re: Release date must have occured
by gtrpro on 2010-10-03 06:41:38

Flaming? Whos flaming who?,I tell it like it is.I to am looking forward to the new JTV but lets be honest here look at line6's track record.Delays Delays Delays all the time with most if not ALL products DELAYS,yet they go on saying release date oct,nov,dec, or whatever.Why advertise a release date when you know it's BS.WHY? because all the hype is all over $$$$$.They get you all excited about the product then lie thru they're teeth about a release date or release it when promised with very limited stock on hand.I know this sounds ridiculous, but the anticipation generates $$$.The oldest trick in sales and advertising.Hook Line and Sinker.If you believe all the BS line6 tells you then they have you! Sorry to be so blunt,but i'm afraid thats just the way it is my friend.



Re: Release date must have occured
by gtrpro on 2010-10-03 07:00:31

Heres something else to think about Why are there no sound samples of the JTV posted on the site.They've had and have plenty of time to post 'em,so where are they?????Sure there are youtube vids of 3rd party people But Im talking about samples direct from line6 like they have for many of they're other products.



Re: Release date must have occured
by digiprod on 2010-10-03 07:19:05

Simple answer maybe, that the sound samples would be mostly the same as the current Variax as the models are the same (only improved as they claim).

I am sure they are not sitting on a warehouse full of JTVs, but it is clear from their track record and their announcements they are quite bad at giving accurate release dates.



Re: Release date must have occured
by U2acrobatNL on 2010-10-03 10:33:26

Call me naive but I don't see how delaying a product generates more cash. Please enlighten me.

As for the sound clips: from where I'm sitting I can see 2 videos with plenty of guitar sounds from that producer on the JTV page.



Re: Release date must have occured
by MartinHines on 2010-10-03 10:41:32

gtrpro wrote:

If you believe that bullshit,all the best to you then Heres the facts tho Line6 delayed the release dates with the original pod,the original variax,the variax bass,the variax acoustic model,the Vetta amp,the pod x3live,the original plugin for gearbox,The Pod x3 live didn't have a software editor for months after its release,oh whats the point.If you have 1 on order I wouldn't be suprised if you don't get it till the first quarter of 2011.

What "bullshit"? That Line 6 is trying to get the guitar released as soon as possible? OF COURSE THEY ARE.

If what you claim is true, then perhaps Line 6 is too optimistic about release dates.

What is "my point about having one on order"?  Simply that I will be PATIENT about the products arrival, since delays can happen with the release of a new product.



Re: Release date must have occured
by MartinHines on 2010-10-03 10:46:14

Delete



Re: Release date must have occured
by MartinHines on 2010-10-03 10:52:39

Delete



Re: Release date must have occured
by Rockin on 2010-10-03 12:47:28

defkaf "I've been waiting, and looking, for a guitar that would get me a decent acoustic sound and switch easily to electric tones for leads and fills for over 15 years."

Have you tried a Music Man John Petrucci, they also have Piezo's in the bridge and you can toggle between regular pickups and the Piezo's for an acoustic sound.

In 15 years of searching I am sure you have tried one but if you haven't then it may be worth a look, just in case 15 years becomes 16! ;-)



Re: Release date must have occured
by digiprod on 2010-10-03 12:57:30

I own a Fender VG Strat that does this.



Re: Release date must have occured
by ozbadman on 2010-10-03 13:22:31

I was going to get the VG years ago, but the modelling was terrible. Then I tried the VG-99 which was a bit better, but I still wasn't happy. Then I saw someone recommend the Variax 700 and saw some videos online. I got a 700 and it's been great. Combined with a Pod XT/X3L/HD500 you can switch models using the footswitch instead of the onboard circular model switcher. Or, you can wait for the JTVs



Re: Release date must have occured
by digiprod on 2010-10-03 15:40:19

I agree about the Fender VG, maybe why it was discontinued. I own a Fender VG, Variax 300, Variax 700 Acoustic and a Variax 700 Bass. The Variax 300 sounds better than the Fender VG. I have an order for a JTV-69.

Some people on here claimed all they wanted was a decent guitar that had Fender Strat and LP sounds with acoustic modeling but also offered tuning options. Well that is the Fender VG. It is a decent guitar and has these features.

So far the modeling of the Variax is the best out there and why we all put up with the terrible release announcements, etc. Variax really has no competition in what is still a niche market for modeling.



Re: Release date must have occured
by gtrpro on 2010-10-03 16:03:30

"You have no clue about the internal operations of Line 6."   And you do? So if thats the case then you must work for line6,So tell us,tell the world why all the BS delays on just about EVERY line6 product release.Why all the hype,and empty promised release dates.



Re: Release date must have occured
by digiprod on 2010-10-03 16:11:31

Unfortunately, on every forum we find passionate people who defend their favorite company or product, no matter what! In politics they are usually call them partisans -- on forums we call them fanboys!

Let's face it with a level head please. Line 6 is FAR from perfect and has NO TRACK RECORD to point to that shows release dates matter to them. So let's just hope the wait is worth it! Fanboys of all flavors are just plain stupid, ALL companies want to make money, NONE of them are perfect!



Re: Release date must have occured
by WSheehey on 2010-10-03 17:10:41

Is there a place online or in the mail that Line 6 stated when the guitar would be shipped?  I've never read a release date from Line 6.  I've only received probable ship dates from dealers.  And even then, they've told me that shipping dates were tentative.  Maybe I'm not as worried about it.  Don't get me wrong, I'm in a working band and I produce music on the side, but really, it's a guitar not heroin.  I hope it's a good guitar, if not, I've got others.  But fortunately, most of us on this forum, this is really just a hobbie (despite what we tell ourselves - and I love you all).



Re: Release date must have occured
by MartinHines on 2010-10-03 18:11:12

gtrpro wrote:

"You have no clue about the internal operations of Line 6."   And you do? So if thats the case then you must work for line6,So tell us,tell the world why all the BS delays on just about EVERY line6 product release.Why all the hype,and empty promised release dates.

Why the hype?  You must be kidding.  Every company hypes their own products.

Why the delays?  Perhaps Line 6 is too optimistic when they publish release dates.  Line 6 is not the only company who doesn't always meet their promised delivery dates.

I don't have any inside knowledge either, but your statements were ridiculous and excessively cynical.  Yes, it appears Line 6 told dealers a delivery date that has passed.  So what?  It's not like it's the cure for cancer.



Re: Release date must have occured
by MartinHines on 2010-10-03 18:18:56

digiprod wrote:

Unfortunately, on every forum we find passionate people who defend their favorite company or product, no matter what! In politics they are usually call them partisans -- on forums we call them fanboys!

Let's face it with a level head please. Line 6 is FAR from perfect and has NO TRACK RECORD to point to that shows release dates matter to them. So let's just hope the wait is worth it! Fanboys of all flavors are just plain stupid, ALL companies want to make money, NONE of them are perfect!

I don't consider myself a Line 6 fanboy.  Rather, this is not the first musical product I have purchased that missed their original projected delivery date.  Things can happen.

I just don't whine about it like some folks here.



Re: Release date must have occured
by gtrpro on 2010-10-03 18:24:28

I have been in advertising for 22 years  I chose to share my knowledge and professional experience from the marketing perspective.If you choose to mock that,well so be it.Otherwise no one is going to tell me my business!



Re: Release date must have occured
by MartinHines on 2010-10-03 18:27:18

WSheehey wrote:

Is there a place online or in the mail that Line 6 stated when the guitar would be shipped?  I've never read a release date from Line 6.  I've only received probable ship dates from dealers.  And even then, they've told me that shipping dates were tentative.  Maybe I'm not as worried about it.  Don't get me wrong, I'm in a working band and I produce music on the side, but really, it's a guitar not heroin.  I hope it's a good guitar, if not, I've got others.  But fortunately, most of us on this forum, this is really just a hobbie (despite what we tell ourselves - and I love you all).

I believe you are correct.  As far as I know, Line 6 has never formally published a release date.  There were dates Line 6 provided dealers, and those are the dates that have been missed.  For example, Sweetwater in the U.S. has always had the following posted on their website:

           The new James Tyler Variax guitars are expected to begin arriving in limited quantities sometime this fall.

Given "Fall of 2010" only started on September 22nd,  Line 6 has plenty of time to meet a Fall timetable.



Re: Release date must have occured
by MartinHines on 2010-10-03 18:33:00

gtrpro wrote:

I have been in advertising for 22 years  I chose to share my knowledge and professional experience from the marketing perspective.If you choose to mock that,well so be it.Otherwise no one is going to tell me my business!

You have been in advertising for 22 years and Line 6's hyping of products seems strange to you?  Hillarious.

Calling something "bullshit" doesn't sound very professional to me, and your comments suggested a lack of knowledge to me.



Re: Release date must have occured
by ozbadman on 2010-10-03 19:00:33

Well, telling a retailer a date and then not hitting that is missing a date. I agree that these things are unpredictable, and I'll just be excited when they arrive, but an update would be nice. Unlike the HD series, which looks like hitting very close to its release date, they have been actively promoting the JTV's for a while. I originally saw "should be arriving Summer of 2010" so I think originally they were hoping for August-ish. I used to be in sales and am currently in Engineering, but managing customer expectations is critical. I don't think people would be getting so frustrated if Line 6 would give some sort of update to re-set everyone's expectations and allow them to plan their purchases, but they've been very quiet recently. I don't think silence is the right way to go. Now of course, it's their choice, but I think an update would be useful for everyone. Rich actually promised an update a few weeks ago in these forums once he had a better idea of delivery dates, but he's been pretty quiet of late. I don't mind the delay, but some more information about it from Line 6 themselves would be nice.



Re: Release date must have occured
by toasterdude on 2010-10-03 19:00:33

gtrpro wrote:

I have been in advertising for 22 years  I chose to share my knowledge and professional experience from the marketing perspective.If you choose to mock that,well so be it.Otherwise no one is going to tell me my business!

LOL.. . . .nothing you posted even hinted at you being a professional. Nobody can tell you your business but you can tell Line6 how to run theirs.

How does being in advertising equate to being a manufacturer?

Here are some simple lessons for you:

Line6 is a manufacturer

Line6 is a tech company

Software, firmware etc etc etc can be late for a variety of reasons.

From all we have heard there is an issue with parts availability.

You see Line6 doesn't manufacture the DSPs, DAs, flash roms. . . .yadda yadda yadda. The get them from a companies known as suppiiers. Still with me?

if Line6 had missed a ship date. . .which they haven't, because they were given a ship date for parts from a supllier and that supplier missed THEIR ship date, that would throw off the Line6 shipping schedule. Again all Line6 ever said was shipping in fall. It is still fall.

Also they anounced POD HD500 last week and people already have them. . . . .is that BS as well?



Re: Expected Release Date???
by toasterdude on 2010-10-03 19:05:21

MerlinFL wrote:


I have (2) model 700s from the first series of Variax.  I LOVE them still, but I'm creating a side by side comparison video demo which Rich R. will approve before it is posted anywhere...and let me say for the record...the computer side of this guitar is truly and utterly superior in 99 out of a 100 points that have been discussed and remarked about by others who have touched one of these JTV guitars.

NOT ONE THING will be different in THIS aspect between the US and Korean versions.  Even the new "Tyler specified" magnetic pick-ups are EXACTLY THE SAME in both versions of each guitar model which was a last minute upgrade to the Korean models after L6 worked out the production costs of those pick-ups.


So, do you see yourself ever using the 700s again other for backup? if so, why? What is the 1% that the 700s do better than the JTV?

I am not positive but I think rich may have said that they decided to use the tyler designed guitars manufactured in korea in the US guitars because they sounded great.

Not sure if that is an upgrade over duncans, but if they sound good that is all that matters. I would change them any way.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by MerlinFL on 2010-10-03 19:40:38

toasterdude wrote:

MerlinFL wrote:


I have (2) model 700s from the first series of Variax.  I LOVE them still, but I'm creating a side by side comparison video demo which Rich R. will approve before it is posted anywhere...and let me say for the record...the computer side of this guitar is truly and utterly superior in 99 out of a 100 points that have been discussed and remarked about by others who have touched one of these JTV guitars.

NOT ONE THING will be different in THIS aspect between the US and Korean versions.  Even the new "Tyler specified" magnetic pick-ups are EXACTLY THE SAME in both versions of each guitar model which was a last minute upgrade to the Korean models after L6 worked out the production costs of those pick-ups.


So, do you see yourself ever using the 700s again other for backup? if so, why? What is the 1% that the 700s do better than the JTV?

I am not positive but I think rich may have said that they decided to use the tyler designed guitars manufactured in korea in the US guitars because they sounded great.

Not sure if that is an upgrade over duncans, but if they sound good that is all that matters. I would change them any way.

I would certainly plan to use the new JTV model 59 as my primary guitar because of the much improved modeled sounds.  However, what I have discivered at this point is that the new JTV does NOT get saved by my Vetta!!  This is something asked and answered.  It was supposed to be NO PROBLEM and I'm still waiting for Workbench for the JTV as the older version will not recognize the new JTV.  These things have me deeply concerned as I am not in a financial porition to even think about buying some new POD or whatever L6 amp product.  If for any reason the new JTV does not work in the same way my 700's work, then the JTV will be my back up guitar.  How's that for a F***d up scenario?!

The mag pups on this guitar are really excellent.  They are both very clean and do have a pretty fair amount of gain as I played it mag only today and it sounded almost exactly like my Les Paul sounds.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by grimm26 on 2010-10-03 20:05:49

Perhaps software is what is holding up the release, then?



Re: Expected Release Date???
by jenningsmusic on 2010-10-04 15:21:31

That would be a f****d up scenario. I love my Vetta II and I want the new Variax to work with it just like my old Variax does.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by variaxlover on 2010-10-04 16:02:12

I want to second (or third) that emotion.  I have 3 Variax transplants, 2 700s, 3 500s, a 600 and 2 300s (not to mention the acoustics and basses), plus two Vetta IIs and a POD X3Live.  The coolest thing about them is that once I program any Variax to a patch, I can plug in any other Variax and it pulls up the same guitar model.  If I ever get a JTV I expect my amps and POD to pull up the same model I had programmed before using an old Variax.  If it DOESN'T . . . wow, Epic Fail.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by digiprod on 2010-10-04 16:18:48

I agree. That would be quite bad!



Re: Expected Release Date???
by mulvennk on 2010-10-04 17:05:21

Am I correct that Workbench will not work with Snow Leopard?



Re: Expected Release Date???
by digiprod on 2010-10-04 17:51:44

Gee, I have not launched Workbench since I upgraded to Snow Leopard. I hope this is not true, especially since some at Line 6 used to work for Apple!



Re: Expected Release Date???
by MartinHines on 2010-10-04 18:34:39

mulvennk wrote:

Am I correct that Workbench will not work with Snow Leopard?

I suspect Line 6 will have to release a software update for Variax Workbench, to at least cover Windows 7 and the latest Mac OS.

The last version of workbench was v1.58 released back in January 2009.  Line 6 has released software for other products recently that supports Win 7 and Mac OS X Snow Leopard.

The real question is when will a Variax Workbench update be released rather than if it will be updated.

** Update **

I was looking at the Bananas Music website and their JTV specs state:

  • Workbench: USB 1.1 connection to your computer. Runs on Windows XP, 7, OS X 10.4, 10.5, 10.6


Assuming the above is correct then Line 6 definitely has a Workbench software update in the works to support Win 7 and Mac OS X Snow Leopard

http://www.bananasmusic.com/productdetail.asp/pid_11302/productname_Line-6-JTV-69-James-Tyler-Variax-S-Style-Electric-Guitar



Re: Expected Release Date???
by MerlinFL on 2010-10-04 23:03:19

Workbench in the latest version posted in the downloads section...1.58 current version.  Does work with Win 7 as long as you do not try to use the hardware interface that originally came with Workbench.  What you need to have is a 3rd party interface called UNO USB to MIDI cable/adapter.  Then it needs to be connected to any Line 6 gear that has MIDI in & out.  Then you connect the Variax with the VDI cable and when the "in between" gear is turned on and Monkey is launched - it WILL see the Variax.  Workbench WILL see the Variax in the same way as long as the guitar is plugged in using the VDI attached to a MIDI equipped piece of Line 6 gear.  Perhaps even non-Line 6 gear, but I DO NOT KNOW THIS FOR CERTAIN.

I hope this helps clear up the Workbench/Win 7 situation.  I am not a MAC user and do not know if this works the same or not - sorry.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by toasterdude on 2010-10-05 04:47:53

MartinHines wrote:

mulvennk wrote:

Am I correct that Workbench will not work with Snow Leopard?

I suspect Line 6 will have to release a software update for Variax Workbench, to at least cover Windows 7 and the latest Mac OS.

The last version of workbench was v1.58 released back in January 2009.  Line 6 has released software for other products recently that supports Win 7 and Mac OS X Snow Leopard.

The real question is when will a Variax Workbench update be released rather than if it will be updated.

** Update **

I was looking at the Bananas Music website and their JTV specs state:

  • Workbench: USB 1.1 connection to your computer. Runs on Windows XP, 7, OS X 10.4, 10.5, 10.6


Assuming the above is correct then Line 6 definitely has a Workbench software update in the works to support Win 7 and Mac OS X Snow Leopard

http://www.bananasmusic.com/productdetail.asp/pid_11302/productname_Line-6-JTV-69-James-Tyler-Variax-S-Style-Electric-Guitar

Rich has stated that workbench will work with all modern Os machines. My "old" PCs all have Vista 64 bit, and 2 new ones have 7 and I just ordered a mac book pro with snow leopard. I will be traveling with the mac and a windos 7 HP so having workbench work with either/both will be a good thing.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by digiprod on 2010-10-06 11:01:06

Just this minute was sent an email from my Sweetwater rep on the release date of my JTV-69 pre-order. He said and I quote, "Line 6 is telling us that we should see them next week. We've got our eyes on the door and our fingers crossed. As soon as it shows up, or if we get any notifications, I'll let you know."

Hope this helps.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by grimm26 on 2010-10-06 11:04:08

Yay!



Re: Expected Release Date???
by meistsf on 2010-10-06 12:24:39

I just got an email to confirm the previous post, again from SWater....

"On the guitar, they're telling us we should see them in the coming 
week. Until they're here in our hands I don't want to get too excited 
about it, but they're pretty confident in their dates. Fingers crossed."

I wonder how long they will need them to set up?  Do the even need to set anything up on these?

He told me not to get too excited, but I guess I am getting too excited.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by meistsf on 2010-10-06 12:26:06

Oh, and one more thing, based on the last email from Sweetwater.....If I have to keep my fingers crossed, it is going to be harder than heck to play that way....



Re: Expected Release Date???
by thegreatoz on 2010-10-06 14:31:19

I just got an email from Sweetwater as well saying their ETA is Oct. 15.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by mulvennk on 2010-10-07 10:44:42

Maybe I should cancel my pre-order with Musician's Friend - they're still sticking to the backorder date of 12/31.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by digiprod on 2010-10-07 10:51:56

Not sure what will happen, but if you order with Sweetwater now, you may end up waiting anyway as they told me that had many pre-orders.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by Chauncey43 on 2010-10-07 10:54:36

Sorry to hear this one folks.....my Sweetwater rep just e-mailed me to tell me the POD HD500 has shipped...good news, but the JTV has been pushed back three weeks into November......looks like patience is a virtue on this one! Hope m VAX 500 works with the new HD500.....



Re: Expected Release Date???
by grimm26 on 2010-10-07 11:10:01

I don't even see the POD HD's on Sweetwater.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by meistsf on 2010-10-07 11:17:55

Funny, while reading your post I got a call from a Sweetwater salesman saying that it was November at the earliest.  Oh, well,  Not much I can do about this one but enjoy the wait.  Hope they update the Variax page so we see something new there.

SFM



Re: Expected Release Date???
by digiprod on 2010-10-07 11:54:18

Just received a call from my Sweetwater rep on the telephone who informed my that indeed the JTV guitars are again delayed into November! So get out your Ouija board to guess when you might actually see them! Maybe they are on a much slower boat than anticipated from Korea.

So let's see, August to September to October to November and beyond, sure sounds like a typical Line 6 product to me! Musician's Friend is saying December 31, maybe they are more accurate?

Amazing that on the Line 6 forum, we get no real release info from Line 6.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by iron on 2010-10-07 12:01:22

Anderton's says november 15th so that I the one I believe.  Anderton's seems to have a really good relationship with Line 6 for some reason.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by digiprod on 2010-10-07 12:07:42

I believe none of them as the info they are getting is from Line 6 and its distributors which as usual is with Line 6 changing by the minute. Relationships matter little. IF Lins 6 knew when they were coming they would tell everyone accurately.

We will have to just wait for when ever they get them out.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by iron on 2010-10-07 12:17:56

digiprod wrote:

Relationships matter little. IF Lins 6 knew when they were coming they would tell everyone accurately.

In my business relationships are everything (semiconductors and reference designs).  But, I see your point.  Yes, if Line 6 truly knew when they could ship it is in their best interest to give their distributors this information.  However, there may be personnel within Line 6 whom may have a pretty darn good idea that may have mentioned it to one of his buddies over at Anderton's.  You never know.

I mean, why does every distributor have a different date?  Shouldn't all their dates be the same?



Re: Expected Release Date???
by digiprod on 2010-10-07 12:28:46

Maybe because Line 6 as in the past screws up new product releases and is probably a mess giving out day to day info.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by jyflorida on 2010-10-07 13:42:05

Wow...November??  Lucky!!  I got a call from Sweetwater telling me DECEMBER at the earliest.  I'd like to call around and find out if November is a lock for other vendors but at the same time, who's to say Line 6 won't push the date back again?!  Sucks!



Re: Expected Release Date???
by MartinHines on 2010-10-07 14:08:37

iron wrote:

I mean, why does every distributor have a different date?  Shouldn't all their dates be the same?

Not all retail stores are equal. Normally retailers that order a lot of product get new units first.  Also, the guitars will be built in batches, meaning there will be a number of groups of shipments.  Most likely the first round/batch of JTV Korean guitars is already pre-sold, so any estimates a retailer gives you if you call about a new order will be based on the anticipated arrival of the second or third batch of guitars.

Also, different retailers are giving information based on when they last received an update.  Line 6 can't simultaneously update all retailers at exactly the same time.  Therefore Retailer A may give information that was given to them a week ago, while Retailer B received an update today.

Finally, some of the mega retailers (like Sam Ash or Guitar Center) have their own internal distribution networks.  Line 6 would ship to a specific Guitar Center Distribution Center, and then the product would be distributed by Guitar Center to their various stores.

Normally customers are blissfully unaware about how product gets to their favorite retailer, and situations like this normally only occur when a product is brand new.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by jenningsmusic on 2010-10-07 14:52:46

Musician's Friend is the retailer that had my original Variax pre-order way back when and I ended up cancelling it. I believe that they were just pulling dates out of their butts back then... and I don't know why it would be any different now.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by RichRenken on 2010-10-07 15:38:56

As I told you guys before, I don't have a date yet. It is day to day. As I  have said here and on Facebook, I will let you know as soon as I am  confident. Remember I posted that it would be Oct 1st? Woops, that is  why we don't like to give out dates. We were dead confident about that  date. So it was no easy decision to take a beat and not compromise. We  want all of you to be stoked about this new guitar and show it to all  your friends and be proud that you believe in us. So hang in there. I  will post the moment I know it is for sure.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by stumpsout on 2010-10-07 22:41:09

The word I got in Canada today is that there is something to do with the factory in Korea delay.

No word on any dates because of that.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by derekbiggerstaff on 2010-10-10 07:03:10

Does this mean I will get my US 59 very soon, as per the original schedule?



Re: Expected Release Date???
by guitar4u on 2010-10-19 14:07:38

December 21st, 2012? Could it be?



Re: Expected Release Date???
by RogerZ on 2010-10-19 14:41:46

Thomann in Europe shows an expected releasedate on 30 november. http://www.thomann.de/gb/line_6_jtv_59_james_tyler_variax_tsb.htm



Re: Expected Release Date???
by fometto on 2010-10-20 00:32:08

That's not necessary reliable.. thomann changes it everyday...  Yesterday I've sent an email to them... the answer was delivery at the beginning of december but they can't not guarantee this date.

Is up to Line6 to annonce a reliable date... an to us, just to wait.... I hope it be worth...



Re: Expected Release Date???
by digiprod on 2010-10-20 05:30:59

Ship dates are unclear, but what is clear is we have no idea when they are coming and that includes dealers and distributors. Here is yesterday's email response from RMCAudio where I have a Cherry JTV-59 on pre-order:

Supposedly they are starting to ship next month. They have been pushed back several times though already.

Sweetwater, where I have a JTV-69 on pre-order had said basically the same thing.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by U2acrobatNL on 2010-10-20 05:35:21

I'm ordering from the UK (Euro-GBP exchange rate is very interesting these days), and my dealer said "spoken to Line 6 today and they still don't have a definite date yet, but they say it MAY be end of November. Will keep you posted. "



Re: Expected Release Date???
by Johan_de_Greyze on 2010-10-20 07:40:51

I ordered my Burns Apache in the UK, but did not realize it saved me money. It says handcrafted, but mainly because it was assembled there, the main parts came from China.

So buying it in the UK will save you about €100 (~ $140) with respect to buying it in Holland ?. Prices I saw in the UK for the 59 = €1020 (~ $1420), 69 = €999 (~ $1388), 89 = € 908 (~ $1261). Prices in the US (Sweetwater) for the 59 = $1300, 69 = $1250, 89 = $1200.

So why not order in the US, it will save you another €100?

Why do we pay € 200 (= $278) more in Holland than in the US anyway?

Do the prices on Sweetwater website include VAT?

Well Sweetwater is probably not allowed to sell outside the US.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by U2acrobatNL on 2010-10-20 07:52:20

I've ordered mine at Sound Affects. Inlcuding shipping to Holland, 950 euro. Thomann for instance would charge 1100. So I'm saving 150 euro.

Ordering in the US? Well, $1250 is still 900 euro. Add shipping to that and you're probably looking at the 950 euro I paid in UK. And there's a good chance you'll be paying customs as well, which could easily be in the 100 euro range so there's no benefit there.

If you're in the euro-zone your best option is probably in the UK.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by Johan_de_Greyze on 2010-10-20 09:07:50

I think that you "calculate yourself rich" (if that is an English expression), it is cheaper but not as much as you think. According to my calculation you pay € 1026, which is still around €75 cheaper than in Holland, but not the double (see attachment). Anyway it is better than in Holland (I am Dutch as well) and in Germany



Re: Expected Release Date???
by pappywatts on 2010-10-20 09:08:17

Interesting prices above, I preordered a JTV69 in August from Thomann, their price then was 925 euros inc. VAT, with an additional 10% discount, so I cancelled the preorder, and ordered again and paid in full by bank transfer, currency rates then being a bit volatile, glad I did as that purchase price is fixed. Including Banker fees  total cost  780.00 pounds inc delivery.

Thomanns price is now 1085 euros with no discount...

Way better than UK retailers current prices, which are around 830 -900 plus



Re: Expected Release Date???
by U2acrobatNL on 2010-10-20 09:36:43

I'm not calculating anything I'm just looking at my PayPal receipt. They will be taking around 950 euro from my account.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by Johan_de_Greyze on 2010-10-20 09:50:46

That's indeed a cool price, my calculation has been based on the present figures on the Sound Affects website



Re: Expected Release Date???
by RichRenken on 2010-10-26 01:04:41

OK guys. I am flying to Korea next week to oversee the first production run. Yes! Finally. We have been battling with sourcing of parts, not battling the factory. We are working with World Instruments and they are a great factory.

So, we are looking at shipping worldwide the first week in December if all goes well so they will be hitting during the month. Stay tuned here for updates. Thank you all for your patience. We are working very hard to make this new guitar all that you hope it to be. The extra time let us put in some more time on the acoustic models. They sound amazing. Can't wait to see you guys getting your guitars and talking about them.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by lachlan123 on 2010-10-26 01:06:20

if this were facebook I would be 'liking' like nobody's business right now.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by iainpwboyd on 2010-10-26 02:49:22

That is such good, exciting news. While I have quite enjoyed this period of anticipation and foreplay, I am utterly ready to get my hands on my JTV59. The expectation is pretty high now!

Hope it all goes smoothly from here on, Rich. Thanks for keeping the group informed and keeping a cool head about you when some people were getting a bit itchy.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by U2acrobatNL on 2010-10-26 02:54:15

Hi Rich - thanks for the update. That is encouraging news. Will you be able to produce all different models or start with one particular?



Re: Expected Release Date???
by rchoueri on 2010-10-26 03:46:51

Interesting. MY GC Rep In NJ promised me from his warehouse in KS that mine would be middle to late Nov.

I surmise they were misinformed? We'll wait and see. Notwithstanding, it'll be a great XMAS when she arrives ....

my new blackie JTV59 huah. My wife's gonna love me even more when another guitar arrives.

'But honey this is the axe to end all axes ....' right ... right like she's gonna buy into that one huh?

~fuggedaboudit!~

~skygod~



Re: Expected Release Date???
by toasterdude on 2010-10-26 04:42:06

rchoueri wrote:

Interesting. MY GC Rep In NJ promised me from his warehouse in KS that mine would be middle to late Nov.

I surmise they were misinformed? We'll wait and see. Notwithstanding, it'll be a great XMAS when she arrives ....

my new blackie JTV59 huah. My wife's gonna love me even more when another guitar arrives.

'But honey this is the axe to end all axes ....' right ... right like she's gonna buy into that one huh?

~fuggedaboudit!~

~skygod~

My fiance rocks! I ordered 2 JTVs with the intention of xplanting one into my current xplant and building a LP to match my current tele and xplant the guts for the second JTV.

Well. . . .my GF comes from a country where rock is not really big, but bachata and merengue are. . . .but has recently become a big fan of skynyrd. Gee. . .wonder how that happened;-)

After watching allen collins playing an explorer, and hearing that I had owned 4 of them in the past, she convinced me to build an explorer for the second JTV instead of a LP. Warmoth just shipped those parts yesterday!

However. . .I am NEVER friggin happy and was lamenting about how a LP would have had advantages with the main one being I could stick the tele and the LP in my mono dual gig bag if I needed to travel with a JTV and backup, but the explorer would need a custom made ATA case etc. wah. . . . . Her answer? Build a LP as well! So I am most likely gonna order a 3rd JTV59 and can use that while the xplants are put together and then if I really feel the need to burn more cash can do a LP xplant. Who knows I may wind up keeping one stock!

The GF has been "on the road" with me for 3 months. 1 in brazil and now 2 in argentina. . . .and the only guitar I have with me is my vax xplant. I guess I was having a gas attack and while we have been away from home I have gone a bit ebay crazy. I ordered a tele body to maybe xplant my vax acoustic 700, a new neck for my old 600 that the GF will start using. A danelectro hodad with bigsby. TWO gibson explorers. . . .didn't think I would win BOTH;-) Last night I won a purplish tele body and will put a fralin and tv jones in it at some point. I ordered WCRs for the 2 explorers, new bridge and 4 way for her tele parts caster. HD 500. All that plus the 2 ZT lunch box acoustics I bought to bring down here and my x3l that I also brought down, have to be muled back home to the dominican republic at some point and I need a bigger apartment!!

If that wasn't enough she has already ordered me an epi dot and lollar imperials ofr my xmas present. We haven't decided between a mando bird or mando caster for my birthday present;-)

So I guess the GF has "bought into it" ;-) All those years of sales experience pay off!



Re: Expected Release Date???
by favance on 2010-10-26 04:58:11

Awesome...Hopefully, we've all been good and Santa will leave a new JTV under the tree!



Re: Expected Release Date???
by rchoueri on 2010-10-26 05:53:32

Contrary to popular belief ... there is a Santa, and he does in fact live in the North Pole.

Ever been there?  Me neither. Just take it on faith from a pretty good source: my beloved grandma.

Did I ever mention about the great chicken soup she made that cured horrible illnesses?

~skygod~



Re: Expected Release Date???
by rchoueri on 2010-10-26 06:03:43

toasterdude - Whaa? You gonna Whaaa? Gut out your JTVs?

Dude James Tyler quality is why we bought these in the first place.

Think about it before you go stir crazy later for messing up something marvelous.

Do what I'm doing instead and build a good secondary midi guitar that actually works.

The Roland GK3A has been a hit and miss for me with my AXON AX-100. So I decided to

convert and old Yamaha Weddington Custom with the amazingly touted

GHOST REESOMAX - ACOUSTI-PHONIC - HEXPANDER SYSTEM

http://www.graphtech.com/products.html?SubCategoryID=87

http://www.graphtech.com/product-39-2/

Tha's gonna run me around $617.90 for the works.

Having said that, your fiancee rocks because she's not married to you yet.

Once you tie the knot, well .... things change slightly when we do.

And I should leave it at that before my wife looks over my shoulder and reads this

and spanks me. But I love it when she does that in black lace lingerie LOL ....

~skygod~



Re: Expected Release Date???
by digiprod on 2010-10-26 06:28:58

Unbelievable! You are flying to Korea THIS week? First production run? Thanks for the information, I really do appreciate it.

BUT, I have to ask or say WTF has Line 6 been telling the resellers and distributors ALL this time when you are now telling us they have not even had the FIRST production run.

This is no attack or criticism of you, but Line 6 has some serious communication issues with their customers!

I am looking forward to getting my two JTV on order next year some time!



Re: Expected Release Date???
by skeletonpete on 2010-10-26 07:15:18

rchoueri wrote:

Contrary to popular belief ... there is a Santa, and he does in fact live in the North Pole.

Ever been there?  Me neither. Just take it on faith from a pretty good source: my beloved grandma.

Did I ever mention about the great chicken soup she made that cured horrible illnesses?

~skygod~

Of course Santa lives at the North Pole, although he might be on his way to Korea at the moment. Why do you think Rich's avatar is "The 'Bumble"?



Re: Expected Release Date???
by rchoueri on 2010-10-26 07:30:57

Well there you have it.

Rich, pls bring back some fresh Kimshi, and since nobody on the Internet can agree what wine to drink with it,

I have some cool Heinekens over here, or if you'd prefer, I also have some lovely Guinness stout dark, then we can eat!

~skygod~

PS. Bring back my Black Beauty with you if you have any spare space in your luggage.

the JTV59 of course ...

~skygod~



Re: Expected Release Date???
by gitarzan53 on 2010-10-26 12:09:03

Rich, you're actually giving us a (more or less) date? You must be pretty confident that all is resolved. Great news!



Re: Expected Release Date???
by gitarzan53 on 2010-10-26 12:11:06

Man, you're fiance DOES rock! She got any sisters? Just kiddin', I'm married already.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by wahwah666 on 2010-10-26 17:35:30

Hi

I have a 59 on order and saw that you mentioned you'd been working on the acoustic models. In the list of guitar candy you are adding, I spot no classical guitar and wonder if you can only replicate this with nylon strings? I'm asking as, if you have the time and it ISN'T an issue, get one in there as it is a glaring omission...unless it needs nylon strings to do the job correctly.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by davidb7170 on 2010-10-26 20:22:52

Wahwah666 -- They have/had a nylon model on their acoustic 700 guitar -- that physically has steel strings... This has been a solid body Vax user request dating back to the origin of the Variax, but L6 sadly chose not to include it in their solid body model line-up. Only on the acoustic Vax model 700 as far as I could tell. Definitely a marketing decision. So you still need to carry a second guitar if the song requires a nylon sound -- acoustic 700 or a real nylon. Frankly, the real acoustic/electric nylon is the more economical to do in that case. I don't have an acoustic/electric nylon that is gig ready. I have used the Vax Martin parlour guitar model and then de-emphasized the treble to make a kinda-sorta passable "nylon-like" patch on my XTL, then later my X3L for a nylon, but would MUCH rather have a Variax Nylon model in the mix on the solid bodies.

I also would like to see an Ovation-like acoustic model -- where you can hear a hint of the piezo's -- it's also a unique sound, but don't think anything like that is in the likely future of the Variax either. I carry an Ovation for my gigs as well. They have fairly limited acoustic model tweaking in the existing Workbench Software -- only body style, really, and that's just "chose one" -- no real tweaking involved. It'd be cool if they ramped that part up a bit with some additional acoustic things like archtops, nylons, piezo models, but see then other than looks, why would they need the Acoustic 700? Umm, doubt we'll see it...

I've had the Vax 300 for about 5 years or so, now, and have a JTV-59 Tobacco SB on pre-order. My issues with the 300 were, as everyone who has one, the physical guitar build quality. Hopefully they've worked through the issues with the Korean Mfr and parts suppliers, since Rich will soon be on his way over there per his latest postings. Woohoo! I know they're aware that us natives are getting restless. Just like X-Files -- "I Want to Believe" this guitar is on the way....

Dave



Re: Expected Release Date???
by digiprod on 2010-10-26 20:37:26

I own a Variax 700 Acoustic. I like the guitar, but have to tell you that the Nylon String guitar model is probably the least inspiring model offered on this guitar. I own an inexpensive Acoustic Nylon String with a pickup (Cardoba) that blows it away. The Nylon string model to my ears sounds nothing like one.

Could be why they do not include it. I have never heard the Variax 300 Acoustic that actually has Nylon strings, maybe that one is better.

An Ovation would be cool.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by pappywatts on 2010-10-27 04:01:53
Re: Nylon Sounds and Ovations Here's my 10 cents for what its worth:- It would be NICE to have a nylon patch in the Vax electric agreed! However unless "they" can dream up a better algorithm for the sound which would require a fair bit more processing power, at the expense of the other models, IMHO. It's the same old argument about a miked up acoustic sounding better than a piezo.Yeah and the guitar still sounds better on its own,with natural acoustic vibration reacting to the room size. Roland couldn't do it with their GK2/3 pickups, the VG99 kit may have improved it slightly, and the nylon Godin's RMC pups still have that nasal twang. The existing vax through the right amplification/effects/eq, does a passable sound, i think its a brain/ear/eye thing look away from the instrument and your brain is almost fooled into thinking it's a flatop. So following on to Ovations which are inherently toppy because of the flat response from the carbon fibre bowl,no bottom end or natural wood body resonance to be had there, plus the fact that the piezo's still feedback like crazy. I use  a reso vax patch with a slight mid boost, and treble slightly cut, and  it almost approximates the bowl sound of an Ovation and no feedback at any volume.. As Mick sings " You can't always get what you want...but you can try try try ".... Message was edited by: pappywatts

Re: Expected Release Date???
by wahwah666 on 2010-10-27 04:10:24

Thanks for the reply guys. I have a friend who has one of the nylon acoustic Variax and the demo's he did with them when he first got the guitar were very convincing. I have a 27 year old Yamaha classical and it was as good as that mic'ed up. My thoughts were, if they were still tweaking the acoustic modles because the projected release date has been put back, maybe they could include the nylon model as well. I sold a very nice Patrick Eggles guitar to finance the JTV-59 so I'm really hopeful that it will be all I've heard in the demo's on both the Line6 site and on eBay...MASSIVE expectation here!



Re: Expected Release Date???
by rchoueri on 2010-10-27 04:38:31

'So following on to Ovations which are inherently toppy because of the flat response from the carbon fibre bowl no bottom end or natural wood body resonance to be had there, plus the fact that the piezo's still feedback like crazy.'

- pappywatts

Interesting observation pappywatts. I have always considered Ovations very midrangey instruments where I have always had to turn down the mids for fingerstyle and other major PEQ adjustments for comping rhythm and strum in a rock mix. To me anyway that's what makes the DIMeola model such a very good boosted midrange instrument for single line fast runs for the likes of jazz, fusion, and eclectic. It cuts through the mix. The only Ovation model that I ever considered that had a balanced tone out of the case for a wide range of applications and the richest tone of the batch is the Custom Elite with its peculiar soundholes.

I recently saw an Adamas model (1581?) with the same soundoles as the Elite but I have not had the opportunity to demo one as I stay away from Ovations for the most part and prefer Olsons for fingerstyle that happen t be total mush for strum/comping rock applications, or just a wonderful plain old Martin J40 that covers it all and everything under the sun for me acoustically anyways, or a J200 for rock anything. My other option is Abe Wechter. All you guys can argue over and keep all the rest from Taylor to Larrivee to every other boutique model out there. Why anybody would want a Variax Ovation model is well beyond my feeble earthling comprehension .... each to his/her own karma  .....

Speaking of piezos. Well, they suck. I hate'em, they suck, and did I happen to mention they just suck? I mic acoustics with quality SDCs and all these electric players that buy these electric instruments with a piezo in the bridge to complement their magnetic pickups for additional "tonal options..."  geez, I mean how bad does one's hearing have to become to really appreciate a f/u'd sound like that? I'm constantly baffled in the studio and live listening to these players marvel at their (I apologize in advance for public usage sorry for this horrible trite word again) 'tone.'

Unlike you battle-hardened combat Variax warriors that have been in trenches for a while now with Purple Hearts, and Bronze Stars, and Silver Stars, and Distinguished Service Crosses, this is my first delve into Variax. If the JTV59 that I bought that will arrive next month does well covering: 1969 Martin D-28, 1970 Martin D 12-28, 1967 Martin O-18, 1966 Guild F212, 1995 Gibson J-200, I think I'll be a very happy camper that should cover most of my bases adequately. And the best news: 1) I don't have to wait 20 years for the tone woods to mature, and moreover, 2) I don't have to constantly take the Martins in for adjustment everytime the  freaking weather changes LOL.

And as always boys'n'goils YMMV-

~fuggedaboudit!~

~skygod~



Re: Expected Release Date???
by MerlinFL on 2010-10-27 05:11:05

rchoueri wrote:

'So following on to Ovations which are inherently toppy because of the flat response from the carbon fibre bowl no bottom end or natural wood body resonance to be had there, plus the fact that the piezo's still feedback like crazy.'

- pappywatts

Interesting observation pappywatts. I have always considered Ovations very midrangey instruments where I have always had to turn down the mids for fingerstyle and other major PEQ adjustments for comping rhythm and strum in a rock mix. To me anyway that's what makes the DIMeola model such a very good boosted midrange instrument for single line fast runs for the likes of jazz, fusion, and eclectic. It cuts through the mix. The only Ovation model that I ever considered that had a balanced tone out of the case for a wide range of applications and the richest tone of the batch is the Custom Elite with its peculiar soundholes.

I recently saw an Adamas model (1581?) with the same soundoles as the Elite but I have not had the opportunity to demo one as I stay away from Ovations for the most part and prefer Olsons for fingerstyle that happen t be total mush for strum/comping rock applications, or just a wonderful plain old Martin J40 that covers it all and everything under the sun for me acoustically anyways, or a J200 for rock anything. My other option is Abe Wechter. All you guys can argue over and keep all the rest from Taylor to Larrivee to every other boutique model out there. Why anybody would want a Variax Ovation model is well beyond my feeble earthling comprehension .... each to his/her own karma  .....

Speaking of piezos. Well, they suck. I hate'em, they suck, and did I happen to mention they just suck? I mic acoustics with quality SDCs and all these electric players that buy these electric instruments with a piezo in the bridge to complement their magnetic pickups for additional "tonal options..."  geez, I mean how bad does one's hearing have to become to really appreciate a f/u'd sound like that? I'm constantly baffled in the studio and live listening to these players marvel at their (I apologize in advance for public usage sorry for this horrible trite word again) 'tone.'

Unlike you battle-hardened combat Variax warriors that have been in trenches for a while now with Purple Hearts, and Bronze Stars, and Silver Stars, and Distinguished Service Crosses, this is my first delve into Variax. If the JTV59 that I bought that will arrive next month does well covering: 1969 Martin D-28, 1970 Martin D 12-28, 1967 Martin O-18, 1966 Guild F212, 1995 Gibson J-200, I think I'll be a very happy camper that should cover most of my bases adequately. And the best news: 1) I don't have to wait 20 years for the tone woods to mature, and moreover, 2) I don't have to constantly take the Martins in for adjustment everytime the  freaking weather changes LOL.

And as always boys'n'goils YMMV-

~fuggedaboudit!~

~skygod~

Yo bro!!  LOL

WTF??  you MUST have either too much free time, or too much coffee.. or both??

Piezos do not suck as you so eloquently stated. You might THINK they do, but they don't.  I have a small arsenal of ALL Ovation Elite series guitars and they DO sound amazing IF you get them with the OPT PRO preamp.  <---key bit of info here.  They sound nice without being plugged in, but the real magic of an Ovations on the higher high is when they are plugged into a PA or Keyboard amp, etc.

however, back to the JTV acoustics.  I have my mode 59 as you already know because I'm "special"  <kidding>  The acoustic sounds I have BEFORE Rich wrote his post about improving even further the acoustic sounds are EXCELLENT.  BUT like everything else Line 6, You gotta know HOW and WHAT to use to get THE BEST SOUND POSSIBLE.  Ya feelin' me here???  :-)

PLEASE everyone who might not already know - the "TONE" knob while in acostic modeling mode is used as if you had a condenser mic placed in fron of the virtual soundhole.  y turning the tone knob, you are in reality turning the microphone off axis as you go from "10" to "1" which DOES change the tonal response.  I've found that at about 5-7 range I get the sounds I like best on the Dreadnaught and Jumbo bodies, an at 2-3 for the Parlor model.  This is slightly different for the 12-string versions, but this is my subject taste running through my gear.  Just make certain that you DO try turning the knob while strumming and hear the difference in a quality amp or PA.  Then you can save the tone knob setting so it will always "remember" where you had it when setting it up in Workbench.  On the fly, the tone knob will work, but it will also be where you left it on the next patch you call up which might not be the tone you're looking for from an electric guitar.

I hope this answers some questions and gives some insight on how to best use the gear and software that is the Variax electronics.

Take care,

Neal



Re: Expected Release Date???
by pappywatts on 2010-10-27 08:13:16

Well the above posts sort of echo my feelings about piezo's and ovations. When I had some money after many poor years plunking away on a j200 copy which was a bit of a dog, I invested in an Ovation mid 80'sand thought it was the best thing since sliced bread, an acoustic with an electric feel !, until i experimented with piezo and preamps.

Later in the nineties I was fortunate enough to get a 1998 Ltd Edition Collectors Ovation, with the adamas holes it had the earlier OPT preamp which was pretty cool at the time.

Still had the same problems though, re feedback and positioningto get the best volume/tone when playing live.

I've mentioned in other posts dabbling with roland gear, and godins etc.

The variax was a revelation, if only it had been around the previous decade...I'm able to gig it without having to dragother guitars along.I just love being able to get acoustic picking tones at high volume, without being drowned out in the mix.

I tend to use the vol/tone controls on the vax a lot, backing off volume when using driven tones to clean up, and have gotten used to the acoustic tone control as a mike placement, generally leave it in the middle, and spin it for solo's either way for electric/acoustic.

I still have some good acoustics which I wouldn't gig- too precious!, as I'm a finger picker at heart, and tend to play electric fingerstyle on the vaxwhich is great to combine both techniques.

I'm looking forward to this next version arriving, just hope it lives up to all the hype....

My acoustic stuff:-

Taylor 410 cutaway, with aura onboard preamp

K Yairi Koa WY1K preamp with condenser mike

Taylor T5 C2 with additional  Dtar piezo undersaddle

Takamine EAN? mid 90's Cutaway cedar top

Amps :- Fishman performer pro

L R Baggs Acoustic Reference

Dtar Solstice Mixer /Blender

I won't mention the electric guitar/valve amps and  stuff, mainly fender/marshall and assorted gibbos

sort of overdone it a bit, running out of space......



Re: Expected Release Date???
by rchoueri on 2010-10-27 14:05:36

Dear MerlinFL extraordinaire-

To answer your questions in order amiho:

1. Colombian Cafe Bustelo intravenously 24 hours a day. Nope. Never enough coffee.

2. Time? There aren't enough hours in my day that begins at 0500 (that's 5 a.m. for all you NAPs - Non Airborne Personnel) and usually ends after midnight (2400 hrs or 12 p.m. NAP time) unless I'm doing a gig or a show then I'll roll back around 0500-0600 take a shower change my clothes and go back to work. eMail 'Breaks' are SILENT rest to my ears while tracking, mixing or mastering. When my computer goes beep beep, it means there's another email to be answered and if I'm friendly it means all is going well on the session. And if I'm not then its all screwed up at this end and I need to beach slap somebody (That's Spanish of course --- beach). So I get to vent at people that I have never met about stuff I love to vent about about stuff they probably couldn't give a sheeat (another Spanish word)  about if their lives depended on it. a Cappice? ~fuggedaboudit!~

3. Piezos suck. Period. That's my story, and I'm sticking to it!

4. Four new words ALL should learn in this and every other forum:

    a. Fishman Rare Earth Pro-Rep-102 Humbucking Soundhole Pickup (that's all one word. We call these mega-words)

    b. LR Baggs M1A Active Soundhole Magnetic Pickup (oops there's another one)

    c. Shure SM81LC into an API3124 (holy crap there goes another one)

    d. Sennheiser Evolution e914 into an API 3124 (OMG and there's yet another)

Now you know four new words to add to your vocabulary and lexicon of Line 6 HD500 JTV DT50 musical madness/genius

5. Piezo.  That horror should be stricken from the record and the dictionary. A horrid bad idea that has run its course along with ALL firewire devices,

and a very very nasty word. And the person who invented this was from what planet again?

As the Great Philospher and Theologian Anonymous once said: 'There's as much power in the language that we forget as the new language that we attain ... '

~fuggedaboudit!~

~skygod~



Re: Expected Release Date???
by davidb7170 on 2010-10-27 15:20:18

"3. Piezos suck. Period. That's my story, and I'm sticking to it!"

"5. Piezo.  That horror should be stricken from the record and the dictionary. A horrid bad idea that has run its course along with ALL firewire devices,

and a very very nasty word. And the person who invented this was from what planet again?"

Ummm, then be prepared to be dissappointed, because the entire process the Variax's use is based on the piezo pickups in the bridge.... Sounds like you have a whole studio full of vintage gear -- why screw around with a swiss army knife of a guitar like Vax's -- just wondering....

Weekenders like me, and I'm guessing most of us with Vax's, don't have the access to the big collections of vintage instruments, go with something like this that will hopefully come close to a vintage vibe. I've had my lowly Vax 300 for about 5 years, and it's been damned useful, but didn't trip my trigger as a physical guitar. I ended up picking up a Epiphone LP Classic that was a much better guitar -- plays well, intonation is very good, stays in tune, sounds really good. Is it a Gibson? No -- but the comparable Gibby costs ~ 4 times as much, and is definitely NOT 4 times as good sounding or better playability for the name on the headstock.

I was THIS CLOSE to picking up a Gibby Trad Pro at about $2000 last spring until I came across the L6 plans for the JTV's. I have a '73 Fender Tele Deluxe, and a '78 Strat -- both great instruments. My Ovation is a low cost (~$400 a couple yrs ago, I think) CC48 -- black mid size bowl with the Elite-style multi - sound holes and a single cut. Does it sound as good as my '79 Guild? No, but it does come alive when plugged in. Would I take my Guild to a bar? Hell No. If I were doing it again, I would probably go with a shallow bowl Ovation CC44 instead, because really you want less of an acoustic chamber. Does mine feed back? No -- not a screech that I call feedback, but it does have resonances that are easily conquered. Do I like how it sounds? Yep - if I didn't I wouldn't have bought it. Do I expect all guitarist to share my views? -- Nope, but I do respect other's opinions. We each have to make our own decisions, that lead us in different directions -- otherwise we'd all be playing the same music on the same equipment, and it would be damned boring.

My 2 cents.

Dave



Re: Expected Release Date???
by rchoueri on 2010-10-27 16:08:13

Dave-

Disappointed? I'm sincerely hoping not. With dual processors in the JTV Variax, and the much improved tonalities of the previous Variax models coupled with the upgraded sound modeling engine of the entire system I have a hunch that the Piezo 'quack' will not come through. Its the piezo quack on an acoustic guitar into even the best preamps that has to be mated in a mix on separate channels with the same guitar mic'd or DI'd in via soundhole pups that still has to be tweaked w/ reductive EQ and appropriate dynamics to kill it completely.

What did the Piezo Agent say to Morpheus when he was captured? 'It's the smell ...it's everywhere ...." Its the quack bro. I first heard it at a Ritenour concert on the West Coast many years ago, and I just can't get that sound' out of my head. It hurts my ears and gives me goose bumps, to wit: the bad kind like hives.

Why I am messing with this stuff is because it is a self-contained system (HD500-DT50-JTV59) that has potential to go where no guitar mortals have ventured before. This has absolutely nothing to do with vintage gear or any other gear, rather, it has to do with plug in and play w/o having to set up any other gear 'on-the-fly' for a change and deliver the same goods that the routine pain-staking and time-consuming setting up what the other gear delivers requires. That is the hope.

Regular Piezos on an acoustic guitar thru a preamp just sound quacky. Regular piezos in a Nashville Telecaster just sound quacky, Regular piezos if attached to my dog's behind when he farts should still sound quacky and annoyingly obnoxious.

Neal's point before in another post that this 'quack', albeit I don't think he ever said 'quack' directly leads a reasonable and prudent person * to conclude that he was alluding to that specifically indirectly as it is is 'smoothed out' somehow with the Ovation Elite's peculiar OpAmp in that particular model that in itself is an anomaly.

Cheers -

~skygod~

* Reasonable and Prudent Person: An archaic 20th century legalese concept defining 'JoeSixpack Solid Citizen (JSSC),' to wit: the aforementioned JSSC called to serve on jury duty casting a vote over somebody's life, who probably couldn't write a coherent three paragraph essay about what he ate for breakfast today and why he prefers kectchup on his cream of wheat or grits for breakfast instead of salt or sugar, heretefore, therby, and therunto.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by Chauncey43 on 2010-10-27 16:21:59

I have been reading all of these posts with interest, and finally felt a need to share my experiences with you all. I ordered a new JTV-59 very early so I am hopeful it will be here before Christmas. I have purchased the new POD HD500 and I can tell you it is a big improvement in the amp modeling department! I think the only drawback is that the HD500 is not as easy to adjust and program on the fly (at a gig). However, the HD500 edit on the computer is AWESOME! and Easy to use! I am presently using it with my VAX 500, which in my opinion, blows away the 300 and 600. I know they say the "guts" are the same, but I have owned and played both, and the 500 electronics are by far superior...including the quality of the guitar itself. I have sold one of my sunburts 500's to pay for the new, but I will keep my other 500 as a backup and because it is a great guitar. I have high hopes for the new JTV, and I am especially looking forward to he new improvements to help eliminate the "quack" ou are all talking about on the acoustic models. I also have a Roland GR-33 synth, and I find that a nylon guitar voice on the Roland mixed with a bit of an acostic voice on the VAX is an aesome stage sound for nylon live. I too have a strat, a LP and a tele. I don't take them to gigs anymore since my VAX ca cover all three tones so well that even my fellow musicians cannot tell them apart at a live show! Hurry up JTV! Play on everyone!



Re: Expected Release Date???
by RichRenken on 2010-10-27 17:16:27

U2acrobatNL wrote:

Hi Rich - thanks for the update. That is encouraging news. Will you be able to produce all different models or start with one particular?

All three.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by RichRenken on 2010-10-27 17:17:51

rchoueri wrote:

Interesting. MY GC Rep In NJ promised me from his warehouse in KS that mine would be middle to late Nov.

I surmise they were misinformed? We'll wait and see. Notwithstanding, it'll be a great XMAS when she arrives ....

my new blackie JTV59 huah. My wife's gonna love me even more when another guitar arrives.

'But honey this is the axe to end all axes ....' right ... right like she's gonna buy into that one huh?

~fuggedaboudit!~

~skygod~

That is why I say all through Dec. All retailers and dealers all have different way to deal with incoming shipments so I do not know when they will hit "your" store.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by RichRenken on 2010-10-27 17:20:28

digiprod wrote:

Unbelievable! You are flying to Korea THIS week? First production run? Thanks for the information, I really do appreciate it.

BUT, I have to ask or say WTF has Line 6 been telling the resellers and distributors ALL this time when you are now telling us they have not even had the FIRST production run.

This is no attack or criticism of you, but Line 6 has some serious communication issues with their customers!

I am looking forward to getting my two JTV on order next year some time!

I don't work in Sales. I don't know what and when they tell their chain stuff. I am just trying to help you guys out. The early adopters and the guys who are the most excited about this new guitar.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by RichRenken on 2010-10-27 17:21:06

skeletonpete wrote:

rchoueri wrote:

Contrary to popular belief ... there is a Santa, and he does in fact live in the North Pole.

Ever been there?  Me neither. Just take it on faith from a pretty good source: my beloved grandma.

Did I ever mention about the great chicken soup she made that cured horrible illnesses?

~skygod~

Of course Santa lives at the North Pole, although he might be on his way to Korea at the moment. Why do you think Rich's avatar is "The 'Bumble"?

Exactly!!!!



Re: Expected Release Date???
by digiprod on 2010-10-27 17:28:28

Rich, I understand completely. I do not work in sales either in my work and have to deal with what they promise and the garbage they do. My point was that Line 6 has a serious issue with communication. I am happy you shared the information and it is good news.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by MerlinFL on 2010-10-27 17:37:53

rchoueri wrote:

Dear MerlinFL extraordinaire-

To answer your questions in order amiho:

1. Colombian Cafe Bustelo intravenously 24 hours a day. Nope. Never enough coffee.

2. Time? There aren't enough hours in my day that begins at 0500 (that's 5 a.m. for all you NAPs - Non Airborne Personnel) and usually ends after midnight (2400 hrs or 12 p.m. NAP time) unless I'm doing a gig or a show then I'll roll back around 0500-0600 take a shower change my clothes and go back to work. eMail 'Breaks' are SILENT rest to my ears while tracking, mixing or mastering. When my computer goes beep beep, it means there's another email to be answered and if I'm friendly it means all is going well on the session. And if I'm not then its all screwed up at this end and I need to beach slap somebody (That's Spanish of course --- beach). So I get to vent at people that I have never met about stuff I love to vent about about stuff they probably couldn't give a sheeat (another Spanish word)  about if their lives depended on it. a Cappice? ~fuggedaboudit!~

3. Piezos suck. Period. That's my story, and I'm sticking to it!

4. Four new words ALL should learn in this and every other forum:

    a. Fishman Rare Earth Pro-Rep-102 Humbucking Soundhole Pickup (that's all one word. We call these mega-words)

    b. LR Baggs M1A Active Soundhole Magnetic Pickup (oops there's another one)

    c. Shure SM81LC into an API3124 (holy crap there goes another one)

    d. Sennheiser Evolution e914 into an API 3124 (OMG and there's yet another)

Now you know four new words to add to your vocabulary and lexicon of Line 6 HD500 JTV DT50 musical madness/genius

5. Piezo.  That horror should be stricken from the record and the dictionary. A horrid bad idea that has run its course along with ALL firewire devices,

and a very very nasty word. And the person who invented this was from what planet again?

As the Great Philospher and Theologian Anonymous once said: 'There's as much power in the language that we forget as the new language that we attain ... '

~fuggedaboudit!~

~skygod~

Well shoot son - I reckon I'll just has goes outs and gets me a new dictionary for dem whatcha calls dem agin??  Oh yeah... MEGA-WORDS.  I knows who Megatron is, but now I've gots to add Megawords??  Just when I's was gettin' a handle on all this Internet abbreviation crap - YOU come out wit Megawords.  Geez!!!

All that left to say to all dis stuff here,,,,"LET'S DO THE TIME WARP AGAIN!!!!"  IT'S A JUMP TO THE LEFT...AND A STEP TO THE RIGHT...."

NOT ~skygod~     Just me.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by MerlinFL on 2010-10-27 17:40:17

Line6Renken wrote:

skeletonpete wrote:

rchoueri wrote:

Contrary to popular belief ... there is a Santa, and he does in fact live in the North Pole.

Ever been there?  Me neither. Just take it on faith from a pretty good source: my beloved grandma.

Did I ever mention about the great chicken soup she made that cured horrible illnesses?

~skygod~

Of course Santa lives at the North Pole, although he might be on his way to Korea at the moment. Why do you think Rich's avatar is "The 'Bumble"?

Exactly!!!!

I thought Rich uses the Bumble Icon because Yukon Cornelius made friends with him AND most importantly....Bumble's bounce!!



Re: Expected Release Date???
by MerlinFL on 2010-10-27 17:42:57

rchoueri wrote:

Dave-

Disappointed? I'm sincerely hoping not. With dual processors in the JTV Variax, and the much improved tonalities of the previous Variax models coupled with the upgraded sound modeling engine of the entire system I have a hunch that the Piezo 'quack' will not come through. Its the piezo quack on an acoustic guitar into even the best preamps that has to be mated in a mix on separate channels with the same guitar mic'd or DI'd in via soundhole pups that still has to be tweaked w/ reductive EQ and appropriate dynamics to kill it completely.

What did the Piezo Agent say to Morpheus when he was captured? 'It's the smell ...it's everywhere ...." Its the quack bro. I first heard it at a Ritenour concert on the West Coast many years ago, and I just can't get that sound' out of my head. It hurts my ears and gives me goose bumps, to wit: the bad kind like hives.

Why I am messing with this stuff is because it is a self-contained system (HD500-DT50-JTV59) that has potential to go where no guitar mortals have ventured before. This has absolutely nothing to do with vintage gear or any other gear, rather, it has to do with plug in and play w/o having to set up any other gear 'on-the-fly' for a change and deliver the same goods that the routine pain-staking and time-consuming setting up what the other gear delivers requires. That is the hope.

Regular Piezos on an acoustic guitar thru a preamp just sound quacky. Regular piezos in a Nashville Telecaster just sound quacky, Regular piezos if attached to my dog's behind when he farts should still sound quacky and annoyingly obnoxious.

Neal's point before in another post that this 'quack', albeit I don't think he ever said 'quack' directly leads a reasonable and prudent person * to conclude that he was alluding to that specifically indirectly as it is is 'smoothed out' somehow with the Ovation Elite's peculiar OpAmp in that particular model that in itself is an anomaly.

Cheers -

~skygod~

* Reasonable and Prudent Person: An archaic 20th century legalese concept defining 'JoeSixpack Solid Citizen (JSSC),' to wit: the aforementioned JSSC called to serve on jury duty casting a vote over somebody's life, who probably couldn't write a coherent three paragraph essay about what he ate for breakfast today and why he prefers kectchup on his cream of wheat or grits for breakfast instead of salt or sugar, heretefore, therby, and therunto.

Add all this up an it just comes out as.....

DUDE  WTF?!?!?!     LOL



Re: Expected Release Date???
by davidb7170 on 2010-10-27 19:31:29

I still haven't found the quacking dog fart video on youtube...

Dave



Re: Expected Release Date???
by rchoueri on 2010-10-28 15:12:23

Lord Chauncey43 (that's very British and very regal you Know). Are you related to the Duke of Wales?

I totally concur with your observation. In fact thanks for reminding me what I forgot to mention in my first post after I dabbled with the HD500 when it arrived and ran it thru the paces day one and reported my initial observations.

You are correct my friend. This is a tough nut to adjust on the fly. Maybe I just don't understand the mechanics of the on-board screen on the device itself, but for sure it IS NOT intuitive w/o the computer and HDEdit software, that BTW is NOT going on stage with me anywhere. Maybe its ok for Depeche Mode and John McLaughling to play their instruments thru laptops on stage into the PA System, but I'm not that sophisticated yet. I'll stick to guitar, strings, plectrum of choice, guitar cord or wireless, amplifier, speaker cab, some type of floor routing system, and large volumes of air being pushed from behind me moving around my trousers flapping in the plexi breeze thank you all very much!

This is potentially going to be a problem live that can become a disaster unless the developers make this easier to adjust live. I am patiently waiting for the DT50 to get here next week to see if the 'amplifier piece' adjusting and   saving presets to the HD500 on the fly once the twain are connected will ameliorate the problem. That however DOES NOT address adjusting parameters of effects or moving blocks pre or post on the fly.

Does anybody out in the Internet etherworld understand this concern? Do you understand my sudden angst surrounding this? Can you empathize? Are you one with the Universal Gaya? Have you been enlightened? Are you experienced? Have you been to Electric Ladyland? Does anybody give a flying faak? Enough touchy feely new age crappola. Now then ...

Chauncey43 thank again for reminding me of what I was concerned about but forgot to surface that concern in an appropriate timely manner consistent with an educated yet terse and altogether pithy statement, commensurate with a potential course of action based on a new user driven requirement addressing a motion toward a simplified mechanical interface mecahnism thingy solution.

In other words and the skinny: Hello Line6, what'cha gonna come up with lads?

~skygod~



Re: Expected Release Date???
by rchoueri on 2010-10-28 16:11:15

RE: All that left to say to all dis stuff here,,,,"LET'S DO THE TIME WARP AGAIN!!!!"  IT'S A JUMP TO THE LEFT...AND A STEP TO THE RIGHT...."

NOT ~skygod~     Just me.

All you other old timers can enjoy the hoolahoop and mashed p'tato and the monkey and the twist and limbo at your next Hugh Hefner Playboy Mansion pool party in drag

but is there anything as exhilarating as doing on the two-step 'Time Warp' Rocky Horror Texas Promenade in denim and cowboy boots at Gilley's?

That's what I thought!

~fuggedaboudit!~

~skygod~



Re: Expected Release Date???
by grimm26 on 2010-10-28 16:33:12

rchoueri wrote:

Lord Chauncey43 (that's very British and very regal you Know). Are you related to the Duke of Wales?

I totally concur with your observation. In fact thanks for reminding me what I forgot to mention in my first post after I dabbled with the HD500 when it arrived and ran it thru the paces day one and reported my initial observations.

You are correct my friend. This is a tough nut to adjust on the fly. Maybe I just don't understand the mechanics of the on-board screen on the device itself, but for sure it IS NOT intuitive w/o the computer and HDEdit software, that BTW is NOT going on stage with me anywhere. Maybe its ok for Depeche Mode and John McLaughling to play their instruments thru laptops on stage into the PA System, but I'm not that sophisticated yet. I'll stick to guitar, strings, plectrum of choice, guitar cord or wireless, amplifier, speaker cab, some type of floor routing system, and large volumes of air being pushed from behind me moving around my trousers flapping in the plexi breeze thank you all very much!

This is potentially going to be a problem live that can become a disaster unless the developers make this easier to adjust live. I am patiently waiting for the DT50 to get here next week to see if the 'amplifier piece' adjusting and   saving presets to the HD500 on the fly once the twain are connected will ameliorate the problem. That however DOES NOT address adjusting parameters of effects or moving blocks pre or post on the fly.

Does anybody out in the Internet etherworld understand this concern? Do you understand my sudden angst surrounding this? Can you empathize? Are you one with the Universal Gaya? Have you been enlightened? Are you experienced? Have you been to Electric Ladyland? Does anybody give a flying faak? Enough touchy feely new age crappola. Now then ...

Chauncey43 thank again for reminding me of what I was concerned about but forgot to surface that concern in an appropriate timely manner consistent with an educated yet terse and altogether pithy statement, commensurate with a potential course of action based on a new user driven requirement addressing a motion toward a simplified mechanical interface mecahnism thingy solution.

In other words and the skinny: Hello Line6, what'cha gonna come up with lads?

~skygod~

You won't play the HD500 live because it is not easy for you to adjust it on the fly?  How much patch editing do you do on stage while you are playing?



Re: Expected Release Date???
by rchoueri on 2010-10-28 17:47:50

grimm26-

No you misunderstood. Didn't say I wouldn't play it live. I said it might become a probem if tweaking on the fly live gets too complicated. Its too early for me to tell anyway as I don't have my DT50 yet. Next week Inch'allah. That's Middle Eastern Arabspeak for I hope so? Tweaking? Not much for me to tweak bro except for wetness levels live. But when you have several wetness levels to deal with, you quickly run out of wetness controllers to do it with on the HDs. I suddenly realized that I can't just bend over and turn a wetness mix knob to the left. Strange huh LOL?

Basically reverb or delay wetness mix depending on size of the venue bro.

I pretty much keep my analog delay-reverb patches mono and any other spatial effects after that dual mono out to L/R if I run a WET-DRY-WET rig setup otherwise its mono.

Delays simple: short at 224ms 22% feedback, medium at 300ms 22% feedback, med long around 426ms 22% feedback, long 750ms 0% feedback

Wet dry mix 15-30% max on a CC pedal boost. What I love the most on my 2290 is the ducker. I have to investigate if Line 6 has a ducked delay

When I do more prog rock stuff sometimes I'll use stereo dual delays one short and one doubled 200:400 or 300:600 with no repeats

Reverbs bacisally plates only on Marshalls. Tube springs on the Fenders. I rarely use digital chambers or halls anymore at all except on studio mixes but not live.

Delay-Reverb in that order post before any other effect.

But I surmize that would of course require external pedals to MIDI CC: min max the wet-dry mix huh?

I have to learn more of the HD500 capabilites. I'm just so used to rack effects live that I have become accustomed to those interface to change something quickly and attaching CC midi controllers..

This HD500 screen is a little confusing I'm just not used to it yet. Time will tell.

The only other guitar effects that I use very sparingly are temolo or phaser for clean country passages, Phaser only set to around 10 percent, and occasionally a chorus or flanger on a solo boost post dly-reverb. My comp goes at the beginning of my signal chain with a WAH. I used detune and pitch shifting a lot in the 80s but not much anymore.

It seems pretty straightforward on the HD500 setting up patches using similar conventions. SW1 AMP1 SW2 AMP2 SW3 DLY SW4 REV SW5 SPATIAL1 SW6 SPATIAL2 SW7 SPATIAL3 SW 8 SW5 SPATIAL4. I am not sure yet how to activate  SWITCHES 5-8. Again I surmize it will require and external expansion 1-4 midi pedal or something attached to the HD500 that will sense it? Dunno yet. But theres a DSP overhead built in there. I was screwing around day 1 and tried to load all the switches just to see what happens and ran out of DSP real fast and got the angry red screen popped up that said: Hey ~skygod~ eatshitanddie! Well, the work around is always EXT pedals right?

Right now I am really more concerned with dry amp control in the center and setting presets on the DT50 on the fly and saving these to the HD500 w/o the laptop.

I'm curious to see how easy that's gonna be when it gets here. Just thinking out loud.

Sssshhhh ~skygod~ keep it down, you're annoying the neighbors again with your  concerns ....

BTW I just bought NI Komplete 7 that arrived today and it comes with 12 DISKS. I'v been loading it on an i7 12GB RAM WIN64X machine and its taking forever. Started over two hours ago and it's still loading and I'm just half way through gasp! I know I railed against NI for so long elsewhere, but I finally caved in and said WTF. I'll only live once so i m might as well see how good this program really is and maybe my German will improve.

Back to inset next disk #

Chuz -

~skygod~



Re: Expected Release Date???
by Chauncey43 on 2010-10-29 07:25:42

Lord Chauncey here! Yes, my ancestory is English and I am the III.......With a last name of Bennett! Go figure! Anyway, I can add a little to skygods post about tweaking on the fly......

The biggest issue I have right now is making sure all of my patches do not drive the sound tech at the desk nuts at our live shows! With the XT Live, I could quickly bend down, turn the volume of the voice up or down, hit save twice, and wala! I was back to playing and the volume was adjusted. I have found at my first live show and through programming the HD500 that I have not yet learned how to do that if there is a way, so I had my sound tech make copious notes so I could remember what needed to be tweaked and try it again!

Waiting for December........yours truly, Lord Chauncey



Re: Expected Release Date???
by rchoueri on 2010-10-29 14:15:50

Hey boyz'n'goilz, ck this out.

Line 6 has a download page of Spider Valve Halloween songs they put together that you can play along with

http://line6.com/happyhalloween/?utm_source=Oct2010news&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=P2text1

I just downloaded them and its spectacular. I'm gonna have some fun this weekend jamming over these tracks with the HD500

Great job and kudos Line6. You cats rock!!! 

~skygod~



Re: Expected Release Date???
by rchoueri on 2010-10-29 14:54:56

Dec too at this end when my JTV59 gets here my dear Lord Chauncey. Hopefully the DT50 will be here next week. I'm beside myself in anticipation how good this is going to be married to the HD500, and then the JTV59 Variax will be the cherry on the icing.I am so amazed every day how technology has taken quantum leaps in the past 30 years. Who would have thought ....

Now back to our regularly scheduled programming. Does anybody know where all the naked women disappeared to? I counted to a hundred blindfolded and didn't cheat. I must open my eyes now and find them.

Cheers-

~skygod~



Re: Expected Release Date???
by artnpam on 2010-10-29 17:36:20

Back on subject as far as release dates are concerned:  I just got a phone call from my Sweetwater rep and he stated the ETA was Nov. 24th for my JTV-69 - not sure how they got that date since Rich is saying December.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by MerlinFL on 2010-10-29 20:04:07

rchoueri wrote:

Lord Chauncey43 (that's very British and very regal you Know). Are you related to the Duke of Wales?

I totally concur with your observation. In fact thanks for reminding me what I forgot to mention in my first post after I dabbled with the HD500 when it arrived and ran it thru the paces day one and reported my initial observations.

You are correct my friend. This is a tough nut to adjust on the fly. Maybe I just don't understand the mechanics of the on-board screen on the device itself, but for sure it IS NOT intuitive w/o the computer and HDEdit software, that BTW is NOT going on stage with me anywhere. Maybe its ok for Depeche Mode and John McLaughling to play their instruments thru laptops on stage into the PA System, but I'm not that sophisticated yet. I'll stick to guitar, strings, plectrum of choice, guitar cord or wireless, amplifier, speaker cab, some type of floor routing system, and large volumes of air being pushed from behind me moving around my trousers flapping in the plexi breeze thank you all very much!

This is potentially going to be a problem live that can become a disaster unless the developers make this easier to adjust live. I am patiently waiting for the DT50 to get here next week to see if the 'amplifier piece' adjusting and   saving presets to the HD500 on the fly once the twain are connected will ameliorate the problem. That however DOES NOT address adjusting parameters of effects or moving blocks pre or post on the fly.

Does anybody out in the Internet etherworld understand this concern? Do you understand my sudden angst surrounding this? Can you empathize? Are you one with the Universal Gaya? Have you been enlightened? Are you experienced? Have you been to Electric Ladyland? Does anybody give a flying faak? Enough touchy feely new age crappola. Now then ...

Chauncey43 thank again for reminding me of what I was concerned about but forgot to surface that concern in an appropriate timely manner consistent with an educated yet terse and altogether pithy statement, commensurate with a potential course of action based on a new user driven requirement addressing a motion toward a simplified mechanical interface mecahnism thingy solution.

In other words and the skinny: Hello Line6, what'cha gonna come up with lads?

~skygod~

After all that - only one thing to say...DUDE!!!!

What still has me personally peeved is that it is official that the Vetta line of amps WILL NOT be able to interface properly with the new JTV series.  The "oldest" gear that will get an update is the POD XT series.  Nothing older than that with a VDI connector will be updated due to many reasons.  One of which is that all the lines of code space is used up on the Vetta.  I'd be more than happy to sacrifice a dozen amps I never use to make room for those precious lines of code that would allow me to use my JTV with my Vetta.  But alas, this is progress.  This is the real world as we know it today.  This is the reality of computer based equipment of any kind...I guess.

So now my biggest problem is...how do I possibly afford to buy an HD500 and a DT50 2-12 combo?  That's about $2000.00 retail which interestingly enough was the original new price of the Vetta 2-12 combo with the additional Longboard back in 2003.

So for all you guys out there with too much money and the need for a tax write off, PLEASE hook me up with an HD500 and a DT50 2-12 combo amp so I can actually PLAY my new JTV Model 59 at my gigs instead of continuing to use my 700s with my Vetta.

Any affluent people out there willing to help out a fellow (American) musician down on his luck?  I'll be very impressed if anyone can name the movie or cartoon this this line comes from.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by MerlinFL on 2010-10-29 20:06:09

artnpam wrote:

Back on subject as far as release dates are concerned:  I just got a phone call from my Sweetwater rep and he stated the ETA was Nov. 24th for my JTV-69 - not sure how they got that date since Rich is saying December.

Well if Rich is going to oversee the inital poduction runs of each of the new models, not quite sure how your sales rep can give you the date he did when Rich gave a different one?  I guess we'll all have to wait and see like we've been doing so far.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by grimm26 on 2010-10-29 20:25:50

MerlinFL wrote:

After all that - only one thing to say...DUDE!!!!

What still has me personally peeved is that it is official that the Vetta line of amps WILL NOT be able to interface properly with the new JTV series.  The "oldest" gear that will get an update is the POD XT series.  Nothing older than that with a VDI connector will be updated due to many reasons.  One of which is that all the lines of code space is used up on the Vetta.  I'd be more than happy to sacrifice a dozen amps I never use to make room for those precious lines of code that would allow me to use my JTV with my Vetta.  But alas, this is progress.  This is the real world as we know it today.  This is the reality of computer based equipment of any kind...I guess.

So now my biggest problem is...how do I possibly afford to buy an HD500 and a DT50 2-12 combo?  That's about $2000.00 retail which interestingly enough was the original new price of the Vetta 2-12 combo with the additional Longboard back in 2003.

So for all you guys out there with too much money and the need for a tax write off, PLEASE hook me up with an HD500 and a DT50 2-12 combo amp so I can actually PLAY my new JTV Model 59 at my gigs instead of continuing to use my 700s with my Vetta.

Any affluent people out there willing to help out a fellow (American) musician down on his luck?  I'll be very impressed if anyone can name the movie or cartoon this this line comes from.

The Treasure of the Sierra Madre.

Nothing says you have to get an HD500 and DT50.  I'm going to keep my X3 Live and I play direct into our PA.  If you want an amp and want to stay fully Line 6, use a Spider Valve 2x12 combo or something.  It's much cheaper than a DT50.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by MerlinFL on 2010-10-29 20:35:32

grimm26 wrote:

MerlinFL wrote:

After all that - only one thing to say...DUDE!!!!

What still has me personally peeved is that it is official that the Vetta line of amps WILL NOT be able to interface properly with the new JTV series.  The "oldest" gear that will get an update is the POD XT series.  Nothing older than that with a VDI connector will be updated due to many reasons.  One of which is that all the lines of code space is used up on the Vetta.  I'd be more than happy to sacrifice a dozen amps I never use to make room for those precious lines of code that would allow me to use my JTV with my Vetta.  But alas, this is progress.  This is the real world as we know it today.  This is the reality of computer based equipment of any kind...I guess.

So now my biggest problem is...how do I possibly afford to buy an HD500 and a DT50 2-12 combo?  That's about $2000.00 retail which interestingly enough was the original new price of the Vetta 2-12 combo with the additional Longboard back in 2003.

So for all you guys out there with too much money and the need for a tax write off, PLEASE hook me up with an HD500 and a DT50 2-12 combo amp so I can actually PLAY my new JTV Model 59 at my gigs instead of continuing to use my 700s with my Vetta.

Any affluent people out there willing to help out a fellow (American) musician down on his luck?  I'll be very impressed if anyone can name the movie or cartoon this this line comes from.

The Treasure of the Sierra Madre.

Nothing says you have to get an HD500 and DT50.  I'm going to keep my X3 Live and I play direct into our PA.  If you want an amp and want to stay fully Line 6, use a Spider Valve 2x12 combo or something.  It's much cheaper than a DT50.

Can't use any Spider since none have a VDI connector and what's the point of having the HD500 in front of ANYTHING other than a DT50.  That's how they were designed - to work together.  Otherwise, I could just plug the HD500 into my Marshall rackmount 9100 dual tube power amp.  but then I'd have to break out my Marshall 1960 4x12 cab.  The whole point of going to Line 6 in the first place for me was to get MORE capabilities in LESS stage space.  The Vax guitars combined with the Vetta amp does that.  So what good is the new JTV to me if I can't use it properly with my perfectly fine stage gear I've been using for almost seven years??  We were told that the JTV WOULD work with the Vetta.  I know because I asked over a year ago.  but based on the videos of when Bogner started designing his amp and the guys started creating the HD500.  OBVIOUSLY MANY PEOPLE at Line 6 KNEW that the Vetta was going to be made inoperable with the JTV guitars.  So why was this not told to us in the beginning instead of giving incorrect or possibly false information??

I still support Line 6 and what they've brought the the world of live and studio music creation...no matter how pissed I am about this turn of events.  I am extremely disappointed that no one told any of us.  Not even those of us who signed NDA contracts and SHOULD know these things.  If I knew this last year - I could have been saving my money for all this new gear and I would have placed my pre-orders already.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by lachlan123 on 2010-10-29 20:42:31

Getting a hd500 and a dt50 is ideal but I don't think THAT many people are going to be going for it as amps aren't the kinda thing you just buy every year. A jtv & hd500 + anything you can make the noise come out of is going to more than cover you from here to the moon. It's a cheese and tomato state of affairs, the dt50 and hd500 are awesome alone and amazing together... just gotta have the bread. I know that was a poor analogy or metaphor or what have you... but I'm eating a toasted sandwhich and couldn't resist.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by variaxlover on 2010-10-29 21:25:47

Neal, can you please explain your statement "the Vetta line of amps WILL NOT be able to interface properly with the new JTV series"?  what do you mean by "properly interface"?  I have two Vetta IIs and this is the first I've heard about this.  Since you are the only person I know who was lucky enough to get a free JTV, please elaborate . . .  isn't that part of your job as a beta-tester?



Re: Expected Release Date???
by davidb7170 on 2010-10-29 21:39:39

Why do you need a VDI on the amp if you have the VDI on the HD in front of it? I'd think you have your VAX plugged in once. The VDI is on the vetta because they have all the processing goodies inside the amp, I think and not expecting to use a floor pod with it. The vetta was a standalone. As I would understand the concept of the floor pod's -- I've had the XTL and now the X3L, and will probably go with the HD500 in a year or so -- is to do the processing in the floor unit and send the signal to the amp -- what ever the amp is. The advantage of the DT50 is it can do further amp model modification when sent audio signal and control signaling via the L6 Link. The DT50 has no VDI. The HD500 just becomes the signal processor and a controller telling the guitar to switch to such and such a patch etc, and the amp to such and such a setting. Cool, but I'll not be using the DT50. I run my X3L to a stage guitar amp monitor for me and out to the sound engineer with the amp models I use from the X3L, and when I get one, the HD500 will be used the same, in my case.

I'd bet you can still switch your JTV with the vetta, but probably not the alt tunings without saving the ones you want to the custom banks, and won't have the dual vax/mag pup signal, just like you won't with the XTL because it has single of processing, not dual processing like the X3L and now the HD line.

Dave



Re: Expected Release Date???
by MerlinFL on 2010-10-30 00:24:47

davidb7170 wrote:

Why do you need a VDI on the amp if you have the VDI on the HD in front of it? I'd think you have your VAX plugged in once. The VDI is on the vetta because they have all the processing goodies inside the amp, I think and not expecting to use a floor pod with it. The vetta was a standalone. As I would understand the concept of the floor pod's -- I've had the XTL and now the X3L, and will probably go with the HD500 in a year or so -- is to do the processing in the floor unit and send the signal to the amp -- what ever the amp is. The advantage of the DT50 is it can do further amp model modification when sent audio signal and control signaling via the L6 Link. The DT50 has no VDI. The HD500 just becomes the signal processor and a controller telling the guitar to switch to such and such a patch etc, and the amp to such and such a setting. Cool, but I'll not be using the DT50. I run my X3L to a stage guitar amp monitor for me and out to the sound engineer with the amp models I use from the X3L, and when I get one, the HD500 will be used the same, in my case.

I'd bet you can still switch your JTV with the vetta, but probably not the alt tunings without saving the ones you want to the custom banks, and won't have the dual vax/mag pup signal, just like you won't with the XTL because it has single of processing, not dual processing like the X3L and now the HD line.

Dave

Hi Dave - I think you misunderstood what I was saying as far as the VDI goes.  I never said I ned the amp to have a VDI connector, but I DID say that I DO need to use the VDI connector.

And to anyone else who read what I wrote - for my live shows and for my studio recordings to MATCH up to my live show sounds, I would need BOTH the HD500 and the DT50 combo.

What Line 6 has now is the "brains" in a floor based POD, and a terrifically designed ALL TUBE back end that are designed from the ground up to work together.  Just like the Vetta has the Longboard to get the most out of the Vetta in live performance situations. Same concept - just a different execution this time.

There ya have it and I hope this clears up misunderstandings with my positon o the HD500 & DT50 combination.

Take care,

Neal



Re: Expected Release Date???
by MerlinFL on 2010-10-30 00:27:18

lachlanc wrote:

Getting a hd500 and a dt50 is ideal but I don't think THAT many people are going to be going for it as amps aren't the kinda thing you just buy every year. A jtv & hd500 + anything you can make the noise come out of is going to more than cover you from here to the moon. It's a cheese and tomato state of affairs, the dt50 and hd500 are awesome alone and amazing together... just gotta have the bread. I know that was a poor analogy or metaphor or what have you... but I'm eating a toasted sandwhich and couldn't resist.

Yep - I for one do not buy amps once per year in even once per decade.  If I can save up fo ra DT50, this will be the first new amp I bought since 2003 when I bought my first Vetta.  Before that I had all Marshalls and I only bought Anniversay year heads.  I agree with your statement, but in this situation one without the other will simply not cut it for me.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by toasterdude on 2010-10-30 03:48:20

MerlinFL wrote:


So for all you guys out there with too much money and the need for a tax write off, PLEASE hook me up with an HD500 and a DT50 2-12 combo amp so I can actually PLAY my new JTV Model 59 at my gigs instead of continuing to use my 700s with my Vetta.

Any affluent people out there willing to help out a fellow (American) musician down on his luck?  I'll be very impressed if anyone can name the movie or cartoon this this line comes from.

I may be wrong but am pretty sure the vetta will work with the JTV, juist not be able to route mags to one channel and models to another. If that is true you can still use the JTV with vetta and it would be an improvement over the 700s since you get improved models and alt tuning etc.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by toasterdude on 2010-10-30 03:51:58

davidb7170 wrote:


I'd bet you can still switch your JTV with the vetta, but probably not the alt tunings without saving the ones you want to the custom banks, and won't have the dual vax/mag pup signal, just like you won't with the XTL because it has single of processing, not dual processing like the X3L and now the HD line.

Dave

I still have not seen anything which leads me to believe you can save alt tunings on a per patch basis with HD500 controlling the JTV. I agree that it would be silly not to, but have not seen any comment from Line 6, and the current HD edit app does not allow it.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by toasterdude on 2010-10-30 04:00:06

MerlinFL wrote:


Can't use any Spider since none have a VDI connector and what's the point of having the HD500 in front of ANYTHING other than a DT50.  That's how they were designed - to work together.  Otherwise, I could just plug the HD500 into my Marshall rackmount 9100 dual tube power amp.  but then I'd have to break out my Marshall 1960 4x12 cab.  The whole point of going to Line 6 in the first place for me was to get MORE capabilities in LESS stage space.

I have a TON of Line 6 stuff and zero plans to buy DT 50. I will use my HD 500 with my Peavey classic 50/50 stereo tube power amp and Avatar 2 x12 cab/cabs. I can use a single 2x12 if space is limited and 2 if I want a bigger stereo spread. The speakers in my avatars are lead 80s which are pretty flat and seem to work well with cab sims.

If Line 6 makes a stereo rack DT 50 later on. . . .I think it would do very well and I would buy 2. The idea of the DT 50 is very cool, but even vettaville says if you change from one power amp setting to a different one, there is a BIG delay in the amp swicthing. It seems it is made to change between songs and not during songs. So if you need to switch from cali clean to marshal crunch mid song. . . .you would have a rather long delay. Vettaville even said a few seconds.

Line 6 has said if you want to use cab sims etc in the HD 500 you should leave the DT 50 on one power amp setting, which would be very similar to using your marshal, or my peavey.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by toasterdude on 2010-10-30 04:03:49

MerlinFL wrote:

lachlanc wrote:

Getting a hd500 and a dt50 is ideal but I don't think THAT many people are going to be going for it as amps aren't the kinda thing you just buy every year. A jtv & hd500 + anything you can make the noise come out of is going to more than cover you from here to the moon. It's a cheese and tomato state of affairs, the dt50 and hd500 are awesome alone and amazing together... just gotta have the bread. I know that was a poor analogy or metaphor or what have you... but I'm eating a toasted sandwhich and couldn't resist.

Yep - I for one do not buy amps once per year in even once per decade.  If I can save up fo ra DT50, this will be the first new amp I bought since 2003 when I bought my first Vetta.  Before that I had all Marshalls and I only bought Anniversay year heads.  I agree with your statement, but in this situation one without the other will simply not cut it for me.

I am willing to bet if you tried the 500 with your stereo marshal into stereo cabs, you will dig it. I even have an old vetta stereo 2x12 cabinet some where, but prefer the avatars with lead 80s.

Also, stereo into any PA cab or monitor wedges will work well, but I dig the tube amp feel. I have not used to HD yet but maybe with improved modeling I will not need the tube power amp to get that feel.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by Chauncey43 on 2010-10-30 04:46:01

I had to jump in on this one. As a gigging musician for 30 years, the POD XT Live was the first real processor that could be plugged directly into the PA used LIVE and get a great tone without an amp on stage. The only thing lacking there was the tube amp feel.....well I am here to tell you with the HD500, that problem has been solved! I have programmed many voices for the cover stuff we do from Skynyrd to Nugent to Jason Aldean and Kieth Urban and the sound is really quite excellent! Even the guys in the band are making statements like, "Wow! That really sounds authentic!" I love the fact that I have no amp on stage. With a good monitor system and PA you don't need one! Sure makes teardown at 2 am a heck of a lot easier! Like I always say, work smarter, not harder! I have played many shows with the XTLive and worked with some big sound companies opening for the likes of Lady Antebellum and Molly Hathcett, and even those guys could not believe the tone I was geting straight out of the PODXT Live with a VAX 500! I could not believe some of these "pro" sound guys had not been familiar with this already, but they were not! Sign me "Still waiting for my JTV in New York"....Lord Chauncey43



Re: Expected Release Date???
by toasterdude on 2010-10-30 07:18:07

Chauncey43 wrote:

I had to jump in on this one. As a gigging musician for 30 years, the POD XT Live was the first real processor that could be plugged directly into the PA used LIVE and get a great tone without an amp on stage. The only thing lacking there was the tube amp feel.....well I am here to tell you with the HD500, that problem has been solved! I have programmed many voices for the cover stuff we do from Skynyrd to Nugent to Jason Aldean and Kieth Urban and the sound is really quite excellent! Even the guys in the band are making statements like, "Wow! That really sounds authentic!" I love the fact that I have no amp on stage. With a good monitor system and PA you don't need one! Sure makes teardown at 2 am a heck of a lot easier! Like I always say, work smarter, not harder! I have played many shows with the XTLive and worked with some big sound companies opening for the likes of Lady Antebellum and Molly Hathcett, and even those guys could not believe the tone I was geting straight out of the PODXT Live with a VAX 500! I could not believe some of these "pro" sound guys had not been familiar with this already, but they were not! Sign me "Still waiting for my JTV in New York"....Lord Chauncey43

Lady Antebellum is one thing. . .. but lately hatchett has sounded like crap live. Too much gain on every tune. Bobby was playing a 515o and I thnk a JCM800 last I saw them. I bet they would sound way better with some Park 75 patches on the HD500 and would be easier to fly around with! I still want an amp onstage so you can get that sweet spot and have feedback to eternity. . . .not screechy and bad sounding feedback but sweet musical sounding feedback a la gary rossington;-)



Re: Expected Release Date???
by grimm26 on 2010-10-30 07:42:04

MerlinFL wrote:

grimm26 wrote:

MerlinFL wrote:

After all that - only one thing to say...DUDE!!!!

What still has me personally peeved is that it is official that the Vetta line of amps WILL NOT be able to interface properly with the new JTV series.  The "oldest" gear that will get an update is the POD XT series.  Nothing older than that with a VDI connector will be updated due to many reasons.  One of which is that all the lines of code space is used up on the Vetta.  I'd be more than happy to sacrifice a dozen amps I never use to make room for those precious lines of code that would allow me to use my JTV with my Vetta.  But alas, this is progress.  This is the real world as we know it today.  This is the reality of computer based equipment of any kind...I guess.

So now my biggest problem is...how do I possibly afford to buy an HD500 and a DT50 2-12 combo?  That's about $2000.00 retail which interestingly enough was the original new price of the Vetta 2-12 combo with the additional Longboard back in 2003.

So for all you guys out there with too much money and the need for a tax write off, PLEASE hook me up with an HD500 and a DT50 2-12 combo amp so I can actually PLAY my new JTV Model 59 at my gigs instead of continuing to use my 700s with my Vetta.

Any affluent people out there willing to help out a fellow (American) musician down on his luck?  I'll be very impressed if anyone can name the movie or cartoon this this line comes from.

The Treasure of the Sierra Madre.

Nothing says you have to get an HD500 and DT50.  I'm going to keep my X3 Live and I play direct into our PA.  If you want an amp and want to stay fully Line 6, use a Spider Valve 2x12 combo or something.  It's much cheaper than a DT50.

Can't use any Spider since none have a VDI connector and what's the point of having the HD500 in front of ANYTHING other than a DT50.  That's how they were designed - to work together.  Otherwise, I could just plug the HD500 into my Marshall rackmount 9100 dual tube power amp.  but then I'd have to break out my Marshall 1960 4x12 cab.  The whole point of going to Line 6 in the first place for me was to get MORE capabilities in LESS stage space.  The Vax guitars combined with the Vetta amp does that.  So what good is the new JTV to me if I can't use it properly with my perfectly fine stage gear I've been using for almost seven years??  We were told that the JTV WOULD work with the Vetta.  I know because I asked over a year ago.  but based on the videos of when Bogner started designing his amp and the guys started creating the HD500.  OBVIOUSLY MANY PEOPLE at Line 6 KNEW that the Vetta was going to be made inoperable with the JTV guitars.  So why was this not told to us in the beginning instead of giving incorrect or possibly false information??

I still support Line 6 and what they've brought the the world of live and studio music creation...no matter how ****** I am about this turn of events.  I am extremely disappointed that no one told any of us.  Not even those of us who signed NDA contracts and SHOULD know these things.  If I knew this last year - I could have been saving my money for all this new gear and I would have placed my pre-orders already.

Sorry, my point was that you could use a POD X3L with a Spider Valve.  I'm totally comfortable with just the POD X3L alone.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by MerlinFL on 2010-10-30 11:48:07

toasterdude wrote:

MerlinFL wrote:


So for all you guys out there with too much money and the need for a tax write off, PLEASE hook me up with an HD500 and a DT50 2-12 combo amp so I can actually PLAY my new JTV Model 59 at my gigs instead of continuing to use my 700s with my Vetta.

Any affluent people out there willing to help out a fellow (American) musician down on his luck?  I'll be very impressed if anyone can name the movie or cartoon this this line comes from.

I may be wrong but am pretty sure the vetta will work with the JTV, juist not be able to route mags to one channel and models to another. If that is true you can still use the JTV with vetta and it would be an improvement over the 700s since you get improved models and alt tuning etc.

I guess you missed my post that described what I use and what I've found in my testing of the JTV guitar with my Vetta amp.

IT DOES NOT WORK, IT WILL NOT WORK. There is no "maybe it might" in any of these facts.

I hope I've cleared up any confusion about what I've been talking about.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by jenningsmusic on 2010-10-30 13:49:28

MerlinFL wrote:

rchoueri wrote:

Lord Chauncey43 (that's very British and very regal you Know). Are you related to the Duke of Wales?

I totally concur with your observation. In fact thanks for reminding me what I forgot to mention in my first post after I dabbled with the HD500 when it arrived and ran it thru the paces day one and reported my initial observations.

You are correct my friend. This is a tough nut to adjust on the fly. Maybe I just don't understand the mechanics of the on-board screen on the device itself, but for sure it IS NOT intuitive w/o the computer and HDEdit software, that BTW is NOT going on stage with me anywhere. Maybe its ok for Depeche Mode and John McLaughling to play their instruments thru laptops on stage into the PA System, but I'm not that sophisticated yet. I'll stick to guitar, strings, plectrum of choice, guitar cord or wireless, amplifier, speaker cab, some type of floor routing system, and large volumes of air being pushed from behind me moving around my trousers flapping in the plexi breeze thank you all very much!

This is potentially going to be a problem live that can become a disaster unless the developers make this easier to adjust live. I am patiently waiting for the DT50 to get here next week to see if the 'amplifier piece' adjusting and   saving presets to the HD500 on the fly once the twain are connected will ameliorate the problem. That however DOES NOT address adjusting parameters of effects or moving blocks pre or post on the fly.

Does anybody out in the Internet etherworld understand this concern? Do you understand my sudden angst surrounding this? Can you empathize? Are you one with the Universal Gaya? Have you been enlightened? Are you experienced? Have you been to Electric Ladyland? Does anybody give a flying faak? Enough touchy feely new age crappola. Now then ...

Chauncey43 thank again for reminding me of what I was concerned about but forgot to surface that concern in an appropriate timely manner consistent with an educated yet terse and altogether pithy statement, commensurate with a potential course of action based on a new user driven requirement addressing a motion toward a simplified mechanical interface mecahnism thingy solution.

In other words and the skinny: Hello Line6, what'cha gonna come up with lads?

~skygod~

After all that - only one thing to say...DUDE!!!!

What still has me personally peeved is that it is official that the Vetta line of amps WILL NOT be able to interface properly with the new JTV series.  The "oldest" gear that will get an update is the POD XT series.  Nothing older than that with a VDI connector will be updated due to many reasons.  One of which is that all the lines of code space is used up on the Vetta.  I'd be more than happy to sacrifice a dozen amps I never use to make room for those precious lines of code that would allow me to use my JTV with my Vetta.  But alas, this is progress.  This is the real world as we know it today.  This is the reality of computer based equipment of any kind...I guess.

So now my biggest problem is...how do I possibly afford to buy an HD500 and a DT50 2-12 combo?  That's about $2000.00 retail which interestingly enough was the original new price of the Vetta 2-12 combo with the additional Longboard back in 2003.

So for all you guys out there with too much money and the need for a tax write off, PLEASE hook me up with an HD500 and a DT50 2-12 combo amp so I can actually PLAY my new JTV Model 59 at my gigs instead of continuing to use my 700s with my Vetta.

Any affluent people out there willing to help out a fellow (American) musician down on his luck?  I'll be very impressed if anyone can name the movie or cartoon this this line comes from.

Can I ask where you got this information about the Vetta? I love my Vetta and am not about to give it up and what you're telling me is that there is no reason for me to buy a new Variax. This absolutely sucks! If this is true, after 15 very happy years, I will no longer be a Line 6 customer!



Re: Expected Release Date???
by WSheehey on 2010-10-30 19:22:07

I LOVED my Vetta II head coupled with the Variax 700 and FBV Longboard.

If you have a Vetta, and the alternate tunings/models of this guitar are really important to you like they are to me, I say you don't need to worry about a VDI interface.

Go Vetta if you want.  I've chosen to go with the Axe FX Ultra and MFC-101 foot controller (and a couple of Mission pedals).  Either is fine, although the Axe FX allows you to do away with running into a tube amp if you're running straight into a PA - you won't be able to distinguish the difference, by the way - I've played dozens of tubes and the Axe is hands down the best guitar effects processor/tube-amp-emulator/cabinet-emulator on the planet, but it is expensive and not in everyone's reach).

The new guitar allows us to forget about the rest of the chain.  If you have some Marshalls/Fenders/Mesas, etc. that you love - you're set.  If you want an all-in-one effects board (I've owned the Pod XT Live - and Pod X3 Pro with a pedal board, along with the Vetta II head) like one of the new HD series (or any one of a number of digital boxes like it) - great.  You can go old-school with original stomps.  The world is your oyster. 

The major shortcomings of the first generation of Variax was not being able to change tunings on the fly for any of the models and a little "clankiness" with some of the models - in my opinion.  Additionally, you'll now have long-lasting batteries.  I say the new guitar finally FREES me from having to run VDI.  I'm ok with flipping a switch between songs.  I went so far as to buy a MIDI Jet Pro and X2 Wireless so that I could go wireless from the Variax and Vetta.  Now I don't have to worry about the MIDI Jet Pro and will only need the X2 to go wireless.  Changing tunings on the fly for any of the models on the guitar is a godsend.

Since changing tunings (with models) are what is most important to me, the ability to blend pick-ups and piezos through the X3 or HD mean nothing since that would only be meaningful in standard (if that's how I have the guitar tuned) tuning.

If you have a back-up battery, VDI means squat. Keep the tuning/model/selector switch settings next to the songs on your set list.

Oh yeah, in keeping with the thread title, if I fly to Korea Thanksgiving weekend, can I pick one out?



Re: Expected Release Date???
by favance on 2010-10-30 20:52:46

What WSheehey said!  I too owned the Vetta II Head and Longboard and mutiiple Variax's.  When I saw L6 was not going were I wanted to go I started looking at the Axe-Fx.  I got one and never will look back.  I am estatic that Line 6 has decided to make a better guitar and make it easier to work w/wireless and Non-L6 gear!  There's a ton of amps and modeller's (including computer software that emmulates amps)...  I think Line 6 has made a wonderful decision to allow the JTV to easily run w/any guitar sound support system! Kudos!



Re: Expected Release Date???
by MerlinFL on 2010-10-31 01:09:08

What still has me personally peeved is that it is official that the Vetta line of amps WILL NOT be able to interface properly with the new JTV series.  The "oldest" gear that will get an update is the POD XT series.  Nothing older than that with a VDI connector will be updated due to many reasons.  One of which is that all the lines of code space is used up on the Vetta.  I'd be more than happy to sacrifice a dozen amps I never use to make room for those precious lines of code that would allow me to use my JTV with my Vetta.  But alas, this is progress.  This is the real world as we know it today.  This is the reality of computer based equipment of any kind...I guess.

So now my biggest problem is...how do I possibly afford to buy an HD500 and a DT50 2-12 combo?  That's about $2000.00 retail which interestingly enough was the original new price of the Vetta 2-12 combo with the additional Longboard back in 2003.

So for all you guys out there with too much money and the need for a tax write off, PLEASE hook me up with an HD500 and a DT50 2-12 combo amp so I can actually PLAY my new JTV Model 59 at my gigs instead of continuing to use my 700s with my Vetta.

Any affluent people out there willing to help out a fellow (American) musician down on his luck?  I'll be very impressed if anyone can name the movie or cartoon this this line comes from.

Can I ask where you got this information about the Vetta? I love my Vetta and am not about to give it up and what you're telling me is that there is no reason for me to buy a new Variax. This absolutely sucks! If this is true, after 15 very happy years, I will no longer be a Line 6 customer!

I am sorry but I can not discuss where I got this accurate information, but it is just that 100% accurate information.  When I got upset about the thought of this, I was and still am pretty upset.  The guitar is 100% terrific and I WANT to use it live, but with this communication problem between the JTV guitar series and the Vetta, I can't use it live.  This is a shame to say the least.

I'm also sorry that you feel so extreme in your feelings about not doing business with Line 6 because one piece of gear does not work with another.  Obviously what you currently have like I do DOES WORK, and I'm happy with what I have and have been using for several years in combination with each other.  In fact ALL of my live performances depend on BOTH of these products working together.  So for now, I'll just use the new JTV for songs I don't need to switch patches during, or plug into the 1/4" jack to go wireless since the battery system works great.  Not what I planned for, but it's what we have.

I suggest making the best of it and perhaps if there is enough feedback from other Vetta users Line 6 might try to create a patch, or some sort of work around??  The impression I got during my conversation is that there are not that many of us Vetta users for the company to be too concerned with in comparison to the other guitarist out there who are not Vetta users.  I don't doubt there are TONS more of "them" than there are of "us".



Re: Expected Release Date???
by markcockerill on 2010-10-31 06:41:26

I'm not sure whether there is anything to read into this, but from my observations something is not entirely well.

This week I went down to London to visit my daughter so took the opportunity to go to Denmark Street where (for our international readers - where there is a single road of music shops on both sides for about 100 yards) not a single Variax of any description was available for purchase. I had a yen to buy the nylon strung Variax. The people working in these shops would happily sell me a cheap Strat copy right through to a £3000 Les Paul and virtually everything in between but no Variax. So I asked the questions, it appears that all of these shops will no longer be selling Variax guitars due to bad experiences they have had with them in the past and the sheer volume of returns. No plans to stock James Tyler Variax and some had never even heard of it.

I normally shop more locally to my home town and visit Electro Music in Doncaster quite regularly which is a very large music business that caters for a wide geographical audience. They too no longer have any Variax for sale, well certainly not the last time I was there. Over the last 10 years, I have bought my Vetta1 with VDI interface, 4*12 stereo Cab, Pod2, PodXT Live, PodXT Bean, Pod X3 Live, Pod X3 Pro, Variax 700 electric, Variax acoustic 700 and a M13. According to their own website, they have no stock of Variax and don't even list Line6 as a manufacturer in their guitar section. They do however have 5 cheap Spider amps to choose from.

Like I said, I don't know what to read into these observations but I am still going to buy a Variax 69 and for the first time mail order over the internet which is not normally the way I have purchased L6 gear in the past.

I am going to use the JTV69 with my Vetta cos I know how to play a guitar and turn a knob to select the guitar model just like I do now, I'm sure that's why they put custom banks them.

Reading through these very extensive pages of posts which are interesting enough, I feel I need to say that a Variax 700 in the right hands played into a Vetta amp is still turning heads every week, just like it has always done. Yes I use a Custom Warmoth Strat into Mesa and M13 in the 4 cable method for the other band I am in and it's a very different animal altogether but the comments I get are not usually to do with the sound directly more on how I play and no amount of investment in gear is going to improve that despite my own often conflicting thoughts to the contrary. I also attend jamming sessions a couple of times a week and take a cheap Washburn and a Vox VT30 which is very light to carry about in the boot of my car. Again, it's a great sounding amp and guitar combination and again friends that comment about the kit are usually more complimentary about the playing then they are about the sound which obviously helps. I think I am now in that enviable position that I don't need to constantly invest money in the newest gear to make good music and whilst the idea of getting a HD500 and DT50 look pretty darn good, I cannot justify the outlay all over again for a marginal improvement in sound, (I say that in the sincerest possible way cos not everyone really knows how to get the best sound from what they already have).

When I got my first guitar back in 1974, I would have loved to have all this gear available then but I suppose we really did get the best out of what we had instead of waiting for the next bit of kit to arrive on the scene to put a sticky plaster on our sloppy playing.

So, Line 6, love em or hate em, I will be buying a JTV69 but I do think it will probably be the last thing I buy from them.

Well, I don't know if I actually made any points at all but this is the world view from where I am sat.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by rchoueri on 2010-10-31 07:25:13

Dear Mark Cockerill,

Very strange indeed. One would think that Great Britain would have these in stock by now for two main reasons:

1. For some strange reason quite a lot of USA MFG companies in pro audio anyway do their initial releases in Europe before we here in the homeland can get our hands on 'it.' This is from a very reliable industry professional who informed me some time ago that Europe is an easier sell test market as Americans are fussy and spoiled and tough customers, who on the most part are arrogant, rude, uncivilized, uncirumcised, in-your-face obnoxious, assenine, uncultured, barbaric, hedonistic, blitering idiots, and unbearable arsholes. Hey I resemble that remark but I resent it. I am NOT A BLITHERER! And we cannot spell nor do we use the Queen's proper Oxford dictionary either. Here on the other side of the pond we subscibe to Webster and pronounce it temada and NOT toomato, and it's airport and not aeroport, and it's petada and not potatoe. So they test Europe first to see how it goes.

2. And of course one of your own well admired sons who is gaining quite the international reputation of being the ubiquitous marketeer and gear tester on youtube, yes my friend you probably guessed it -- none other than the INDOMITABLE Rob Chappers aka the "Monkey Lord" AKA Guitar Zorro who in fact of recent did a five part review of the JTV59 on youtube that I thoroughly enjoyed watching last week. The link is here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xZOZE51g9A&feature=channel

who claims that www.anderton.co.uk has these new Line 6 items in stock for demo and sale.  I do not know where they are located. London?

Anyway, good hunting and cheers to you and yours from NJ, USA AKA (The Colonies).

~skygod~

PS.

BTW Not that it makes any difference to your quest nor that it matters nor should anybody give a hoot, but I attended a very proper Tudor British school while growing up overseas and actually completed my GCE O'Levels back in the day but just thought I'd mention it as I am constantly reminded that the world is actually a very small place after all and we're all supposdely gonna die in 784 days on 12/23/2012 ....

PPS.

Its a gosh durned conspiracy man! I think Hitler & Mussolini & Emperor Hiroshito et.al., got together and planned this all in advance in 1939 to make us all crazy here in the USA since they all knew in advance they wouldn't stand a bat's chance in hell to win a global war. You see for me to buy a new product from a MFG in California, apparently according to California logic is closer to Germany, or the UK, or France, or Italy than to NJ. You see how that works? They manufacture it in Asia, then ship it to California, then ship it to Europe for testing. I would be surprised if the stuff I order locally from NJ/NY retailers don't go that route and get shipped here to NJ from Europe. Hey, around the world in 80 days huh? Jules Vernes got that part right. The products probably come here via hot air balloon as well. Its a scream. In summary, Californians should not be permitted to breed. Thank God there are still normal people here on the Eastern seaboard. Hey but dat's what I tink .... ~fuggedaboudit!~

~skygod~



Re: Expected Release Date???
by pappywatts on 2010-10-31 09:13:56

Don't worry about it Mark... I blame it all on improper potty training....

I've been trying to respond to the other post about price rise/fluctuations. but the web site won't let me

dang yankees

any hoo, here T'is:-

I'll endeavour to answer your concerns about UK  price rises/differences and

Thomann...

when the JTV's became available for online ordering back in july/august, most
european distributors were prepared to accept preorders, some with a
discount for early ordering, like most online dealers they won't take your money from a  credit card
account until the item is in stock and ready for delivery, as distance
selling regulations prohibit.

Later in august, after the first rush of early buyers, the price went up slightly,
due to currency exchange rate fluctuation, and  I  assume
IMHO to uncertainty for firm delivery dates from line 6.

Ist law of marketplace is:- as the product becomes scarce, the price rises, along
with all the hype and  interest in the product.

However if you have preordered, the price given at the time is a contract between you
and the supplier/distributor,If you've paid in full, in advance, still a
contract for that fixed price,unless they notify you in writing.

If however the manufacturer can't deliver, the distributor has to refund any paid
over monies in full, with no redress on either party. All this of course
depends on your particular dealer..

with
regard to Thomann:-

Their prices on the JTV69 have risen from 900 euros and 10 % off for
preordering in July/ August, to 1085 euros with no discount, I suspect the
UK dealer prices are now similar but slightly more. A bit of reselling going on
there IMHO

Curiously the JTV59 is slightly cheaper in the
range on the European marketplace, compared to some USA dealers prices which are
slightly more…go figger!

Their latest expected shipment date is 30/11/2010,for delivery out in December.

which corresponds with the  Line6 Renken post
expectation.....no pigs flying about yet…


Personally I haven't had any problems with Thomann in the past, they aren't like some

resellers, I can't comment on the US system, their

distance selling regulations are slightly different.....Peace!







Re: Expected Release Date???
by jenningsmusic on 2010-10-31 10:38:24

MerlinFL wrote:

What still has me personally peeved is that it is official that the Vetta line of amps WILL NOT be able to interface properly with the new JTV series.  The "oldest" gear that will get an update is the POD XT series.  Nothing older than that with a VDI connector will be updated due to many reasons.  One of which is that all the lines of code space is used up on the Vetta.  I'd be more than happy to sacrifice a dozen amps I never use to make room for those precious lines of code that would allow me to use my JTV with my Vetta.  But alas, this is progress.  This is the real world as we know it today.  This is the reality of computer based equipment of any kind...I guess.

So now my biggest problem is...how do I possibly afford to buy an HD500 and a DT50 2-12 combo?  That's about $2000.00 retail which interestingly enough was the original new price of the Vetta 2-12 combo with the additional Longboard back in 2003.

So for all you guys out there with too much money and the need for a tax write off, PLEASE hook me up with an HD500 and a DT50 2-12 combo amp so I can actually PLAY my new JTV Model 59 at my gigs instead of continuing to use my 700s with my Vetta.

Any affluent people out there willing to help out a fellow (American) musician down on his luck?  I'll be very impressed if anyone can name the movie or cartoon this this line comes from.

Can I ask where you got this information about the Vetta? I love my Vetta and am not about to give it up and what you're telling me is that there is no reason for me to buy a new Variax. This absolutely sucks! If this is true, after 15 very happy years, I will no longer be a Line 6 customer!

I am sorry but I can not discuss where I got this accurate information, but it is just that 100% accurate information.  When I got upset about the thought of this, I was and still am pretty upset.  The guitar is 100% terrific and I WANT to use it live, but with this communication problem between the JTV guitar series and the Vetta, I can't use it live.  This is a shame to say the least.

I'm also sorry that you feel so extreme in your feelings about not doing business with Line 6 because one piece of gear does not work with another.  Obviously what you currently have like I do DOES WORK, and I'm happy with what I have and have been using for several years in combination with each other.  In fact ALL of my live performances depend on BOTH of these products working together.  So for now, I'll just use the new JTV for songs I don't need to switch patches during, or plug into the 1/4" jack to go wireless since the battery system works great.  Not what I planned for, but it's what we have.

I suggest making the best of it and perhaps if there is enough feedback from other Vetta users Line 6 might try to create a patch, or some sort of work around??  The impression I got during my conversation is that there are not that many of us Vetta users for the company to be too concerned with in comparison to the other guitarist out there who are not Vetta users.  I don't doubt there are TONS more of "them" than there are of "us".

Thanks for the response. I'm still upset about this problem because I look at it this way, I bought into this amazing Vax-Vetta system (which I love) and then when an improvement to one part of that system finally comes along, it doesn't work with the other part of the system. That, to me, is unacceptable but I may have been hasty in saying I would no longer be a customer. After considering carefully what I'll still be able to do with the new Variax through my Vetta, I think I'll probably still buy one.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by MerlinFL on 2010-10-31 10:43:56

markcockerill wrote:

I'm not sure whether there is anything to read into this, but from my observations something is not entirely well.

This week I went down to London to visit my daughter so took the opportunity to go to Denmark Street where (for our international readers - where there is a single road of music shops on both sides for about 100 yards) not a single Variax of any description was available for purchase. I had a yen to buy the nylon strung Variax. The people working in these shops would happily sell me a cheap Strat copy right through to a £3000 Les Paul and virtually everything in between but no Variax. So I asked the questions, it appears that all of these shops will no longer be selling Variax guitars due to bad experiences they have had with them in the past and the sheer volume of returns. No plans to stock James Tyler Variax and some had never even heard of it.

I normally shop more locally to my home town and visit Electro Music in Doncaster quite regularly which is a very large music business that caters for a wide geographical audience. They too no longer have any Variax for sale, well certainly not the last time I was there. Over the last 10 years, I have bought my Vetta1 with VDI interface, 4*12 stereo Cab, Pod2, PodXT Live, PodXT Bean, Pod X3 Live, Pod X3 Pro, Variax 700 electric, Variax acoustic 700 and a M13. According to their own website, they have no stock of Variax and don't even list Line6 as a manufacturer in their guitar section. They do however have 5 cheap Spider amps to choose from.

Like I said, I don't know what to read into these observations but I am still going to buy a Variax 69 and for the first time mail order over the internet which is not normally the way I have purchased L6 gear in the past.

I am going to use the JTV69 with my Vetta cos I know how to play a guitar and turn a knob to select the guitar model just like I do now, I'm sure that's why they put custom banks them.

Reading through these very extensive pages of posts which are interesting enough, I feel I need to say that a Variax 700 in the right hands played into a Vetta amp is still turning heads every week, just like it has always done. Yes I use a Custom Warmoth Strat into Mesa and M13 in the 4 cable method for the other band I am in and it's a very different animal altogether but the comments I get are not usually to do with the sound directly more on how I play and no amount of investment in gear is going to improve that despite my own often conflicting thoughts to the contrary. I also attend jamming sessions a couple of times a week and take a cheap Washburn and a Vox VT30 which is very light to carry about in the boot of my car. Again, it's a great sounding amp and guitar combination and again friends that comment about the kit are usually more complimentary about the playing then they are about the sound which obviously helps. I think I am now in that enviable position that I don't need to constantly invest money in the newest gear to make good music and whilst the idea of getting a HD500 and DT50 look pretty darn good, I cannot justify the outlay all over again for a marginal improvement in sound, (I say that in the sincerest possible way cos not everyone really knows how to get the best sound from what they already have).

When I got my first guitar back in 1974, I would have loved to have all this gear available then but I suppose we really did get the best out of what we had instead of waiting for the next bit of kit to arrive on the scene to put a sticky plaster on our sloppy playing.

So, Line 6, love em or hate em, I will be buying a JTV69 but I do think it will probably be the last thing I buy from them.

Well, I don't know if I actually made any points at all but this is the world view from where I am sat.

Could you copy this or allow me to copy your post and put it in my forum which is discussing all the pluses, minuses, and any suggestions on how to fix these problems?  Here's the name of my forum....

Bringing awareness to the general guitar playing public about Line 6 gear.

Thanks,

Neal



Re: Expected Release Date???
by markcockerill on 2010-10-31 13:58:12

Feel free dude.

I read the entire thread and I think my views are perfectly acceptable reading.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by johnnyayyy on 2010-11-01 00:15:13

jenningsmusic wrote:

MerlinFL wrote:

What still has me personally peeved is that it is official that the Vetta line of amps WILL NOT be able to interface properly with the new JTV series.  The "oldest" gear that will get an update is the POD XT series.  Nothing older than that with a VDI connector will be updated due to many reasons.  One of which is that all the lines of code space is used up on the Vetta.  I'd be more than happy to sacrifice a dozen amps I never use to make room for those precious lines of code that would allow me to use my JTV with my Vetta.  But alas, this is progress.  This is the real world as we know it today.  This is the reality of computer based equipment of any kind...I guess.

So now my biggest problem is...how do I possibly afford to buy an HD500 and a DT50 2-12 combo?  That's about $2000.00 retail which interestingly enough was the original new price of the Vetta 2-12 combo with the additional Longboard back in 2003.

So for all you guys out there with too much money and the need for a tax write off, PLEASE hook me up with an HD500 and a DT50 2-12 combo amp so I can actually PLAY my new JTV Model 59 at my gigs instead of continuing to use my 700s with my Vetta.

Any affluent people out there willing to help out a fellow (American) musician down on his luck?  I'll be very impressed if anyone can name the movie or cartoon this this line comes from.

Can I ask where you got this information about the Vetta? I love my Vetta and am not about to give it up and what you're telling me is that there is no reason for me to buy a new Variax. This absolutely sucks! If this is true, after 15 very happy years, I will no longer be a Line 6 customer!

I am sorry but I can not discuss where I got this accurate information, but it is just that 100% accurate information.  When I got upset about the thought of this, I was and still am pretty upset.  The guitar is 100% terrific and I WANT to use it live, but with this communication problem between the JTV guitar series and the Vetta, I can't use it live.  This is a shame to say the least.

I'm also sorry that you feel so extreme in your feelings about not doing business with Line 6 because one piece of gear does not work with another.  Obviously what you currently have like I do DOES WORK, and I'm happy with what I have and have been using for several years in combination with each other.  In fact ALL of my live performances depend on BOTH of these products working together.  So for now, I'll just use the new JTV for songs I don't need to switch patches during, or plug into the 1/4" jack to go wireless since the battery system works great.  Not what I planned for, but it's what we have.

I suggest making the best of it and perhaps if there is enough feedback from other Vetta users Line 6 might try to create a patch, or some sort of work around??  The impression I got during my conversation is that there are not that many of us Vetta users for the company to be too concerned with in comparison to the other guitarist out there who are not Vetta users.  I don't doubt there are TONS more of "them" than there are of "us".

Thanks for the response. I'm still upset about this problem because I look at it this way, I bought into this amazing Vax-Vetta system (which I love) and then when an improvement to one part of that system finally comes along, it doesn't work with the other part of the system. That, to me, is unacceptable but I may have been hasty in saying I would no longer be a customer. After considering carefully what I'll still be able to do with the new Variax through my Vetta, I think I'll probably still buy one.

I currently play a Variax through a Vetta II and I am looking at it like this - if Line 6 offered me a Vetta upgrade that made my Vetta sound like the new HD Pods for the low low price of say $500 I would probably say it was totally worth it so I do not feel too bad about just buying an HD 500 and running it through my still perfectly good Vetta stereo power amp and speakers,  JTV functionality included at no additional charge.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by thegreatoz on 2010-11-01 07:53:58

I currently play a Variax through a Vetta II and I am looking at it like this - if Line 6 offered me a Vetta upgrade that made my Vetta sound like the new HD Pods for the low low price of say $500 I would probably say it was totally worth it so I do not feel too bad about just buying an HD 500 and running it through my still perfectly good Vetta stereo power amp and speakers,  JTV functionality included at no additional charge.

You are the wisest of men! ;-)



Re: Expected Release Date???
by jenningsmusic on 2010-11-01 10:07:48

johnnyayyy wrote:

jenningsmusic wrote:

MerlinFL wrote:

What still has me personally peeved is that it is official that the Vetta line of amps WILL NOT be able to interface properly with the new JTV series.  The "oldest" gear that will get an update is the POD XT series.  Nothing older than that with a VDI connector will be updated due to many reasons.  One of which is that all the lines of code space is used up on the Vetta.  I'd be more than happy to sacrifice a dozen amps I never use to make room for those precious lines of code that would allow me to use my JTV with my Vetta.  But alas, this is progress.  This is the real world as we know it today.  This is the reality of computer based equipment of any kind...I guess.

So now my biggest problem is...how do I possibly afford to buy an HD500 and a DT50 2-12 combo?  That's about $2000.00 retail which interestingly enough was the original new price of the Vetta 2-12 combo with the additional Longboard back in 2003.

So for all you guys out there with too much money and the need for a tax write off, PLEASE hook me up with an HD500 and a DT50 2-12 combo amp so I can actually PLAY my new JTV Model 59 at my gigs instead of continuing to use my 700s with my Vetta.

Any affluent people out there willing to help out a fellow (American) musician down on his luck?  I'll be very impressed if anyone can name the movie or cartoon this this line comes from.

Can I ask where you got this information about the Vetta? I love my Vetta and am not about to give it up and what you're telling me is that there is no reason for me to buy a new Variax. This absolutely sucks! If this is true, after 15 very happy years, I will no longer be a Line 6 customer!

I am sorry but I can not discuss where I got this accurate information, but it is just that 100% accurate information.  When I got upset about the thought of this, I was and still am pretty upset.  The guitar is 100% terrific and I WANT to use it live, but with this communication problem between the JTV guitar series and the Vetta, I can't use it live.  This is a shame to say the least.

I'm also sorry that you feel so extreme in your feelings about not doing business with Line 6 because one piece of gear does not work with another.  Obviously what you currently have like I do DOES WORK, and I'm happy with what I have and have been using for several years in combination with each other.  In fact ALL of my live performances depend on BOTH of these products working together.  So for now, I'll just use the new JTV for songs I don't need to switch patches during, or plug into the 1/4" jack to go wireless since the battery system works great.  Not what I planned for, but it's what we have.

I suggest making the best of it and perhaps if there is enough feedback from other Vetta users Line 6 might try to create a patch, or some sort of work around??  The impression I got during my conversation is that there are not that many of us Vetta users for the company to be too concerned with in comparison to the other guitarist out there who are not Vetta users.  I don't doubt there are TONS more of "them" than there are of "us".

Thanks for the response. I'm still upset about this problem because I look at it this way, I bought into this amazing Vax-Vetta system (which I love) and then when an improvement to one part of that system finally comes along, it doesn't work with the other part of the system. That, to me, is unacceptable but I may have been hasty in saying I would no longer be a customer. After considering carefully what I'll still be able to do with the new Variax through my Vetta, I think I'll probably still buy one.

I currently play a Variax through a Vetta II and I am looking at it like this - if Line 6 offered me a Vetta upgrade that made my Vetta sound like the new HD Pods for the low low price of say $500 I would probably say it was totally worth it so I do not feel too bad about just buying an HD 500 and running it through my still perfectly good Vetta stereo power amp and speakers,  JTV functionality included at no additional charge.

It's hard for me to believe that the sounds of the HD500 are that much better than what I have in my Vetta II now. I've spent years tweaking the Vettas sounds to amazing results and you say I should just blow another $500 and abandon all of that?



Re: Expected Release Date???
by grimm26 on 2010-11-01 10:23:21

Nope, you don't have to spend a dime.  If you have put a lot of work into getting what you have to work well and you like it - keep it.

But that brings up a point: Will gearbox or whatever load up tones from a vetta or POD X3 or POD XT into a POD HD?



Re: Expected Release Date???
by jdenkevitz on 2010-11-01 10:45:50

grimm26 wrote:

Nope, you don't have to spend a dime.  If you have put a lot of work into getting what you have to work well and you like it - keep it.

But that brings up a point: Will gearbox or whatever load up tones from a vetta or POD X3 or POD XT into a POD HD?

Nope, it uses a completely new app.  HD500 edit application.

FWIW everyones vetta still works. Its not like line 6 transmitted a signal across the planet that caused the vettas to stop functioning once the hd500 was released. Its too bad you cant update the vetta, but thats probably due to it not having the DSP to handle what the hd500 is doing.

A few years ago I was looking at getting a vetta, and decided at the time not to for this specific reason. I didnt want my amp have all the signal processing inside and to become 'dated' as far as what was available modelling tech wise (and effects). Instead I went for a FRFR option and got a seperate pod unit.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by jenningsmusic on 2010-11-01 11:58:45

jdenkevitz wrote:

grimm26 wrote:

Nope, you don't have to spend a dime.  If you have put a lot of work into getting what you have to work well and you like it - keep it.

But that brings up a point: Will gearbox or whatever load up tones from a vetta or POD X3 or POD XT into a POD HD?

Nope, it uses a completely new app.  HD500 edit application.

FWIW everyones vetta still works. Its not like line 6 transmitted a signal across the planet that caused the vettas to stop functioning once the hd500 was released. Its too bad you cant update the vetta, but thats probably due to it not having the DSP to handle what the hd500 is doing.

A few years ago I was looking at getting a vetta, and decided at the time not to for this specific reason. I didnt want my amp have all the signal processing inside and to become 'dated' as far as what was available modelling tech wise (and effects). Instead I went for a FRFR option and got a seperate pod unit.

Yeah, well, I thought about that too and that's why I was very excited about the fact that my Vetta could be updated. In fact, it was updated... once, and then L6 just moved on.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by MerlinFL on 2010-11-01 12:39:14

jenningsmusic wrote:

johnnyayyy wrote:

jenningsmusic wrote:

MerlinFL wrote:

What still has me personally peeved is that it is official that the Vetta line of amps WILL NOT be able to interface properly with the new JTV series.  The "oldest" gear that will get an update is the POD XT series.  Nothing older than that with a VDI connector will be updated due to many reasons.  One of which is that all the lines of code space is used up on the Vetta.  I'd be more than happy to sacrifice a dozen amps I never use to make room for those precious lines of code that would allow me to use my JTV with my Vetta.  But alas, this is progress.  This is the real world as we know it today.  This is the reality of computer based equipment of any kind...I guess.

So now my biggest problem is...how do I possibly afford to buy an HD500 and a DT50 2-12 combo?  That's about $2000.00 retail which interestingly enough was the original new price of the Vetta 2-12 combo with the additional Longboard back in 2003.

So for all you guys out there with too much money and the need for a tax write off, PLEASE hook me up with an HD500 and a DT50 2-12 combo amp so I can actually PLAY my new JTV Model 59 at my gigs instead of continuing to use my 700s with my Vetta.

Any affluent people out there willing to help out a fellow (American) musician down on his luck?  I'll be very impressed if anyone can name the movie or cartoon this this line comes from.

Can I ask where you got this information about the Vetta? I love my Vetta and am not about to give it up and what you're telling me is that there is no reason for me to buy a new Variax. This absolutely sucks! If this is true, after 15 very happy years, I will no longer be a Line 6 customer!

I am sorry but I can not discuss where I got this accurate information, but it is just that 100% accurate information.  When I got upset about the thought of this, I was and still am pretty upset.  The guitar is 100% terrific and I WANT to use it live, but with this communication problem between the JTV guitar series and the Vetta, I can't use it live.  This is a shame to say the least.

I'm also sorry that you feel so extreme in your feelings about not doing business with Line 6 because one piece of gear does not work with another.  Obviously what you currently have like I do DOES WORK, and I'm happy with what I have and have been using for several years in combination with each other.  In fact ALL of my live performances depend on BOTH of these products working together.  So for now, I'll just use the new JTV for songs I don't need to switch patches during, or plug into the 1/4" jack to go wireless since the battery system works great.  Not what I planned for, but it's what we have.

I suggest making the best of it and perhaps if there is enough feedback from other Vetta users Line 6 might try to create a patch, or some sort of work around??  The impression I got during my conversation is that there are not that many of us Vetta users for the company to be too concerned with in comparison to the other guitarist out there who are not Vetta users.  I don't doubt there are TONS more of "them" than there are of "us".

Thanks for the response. I'm still upset about this problem because I look at it this way, I bought into this amazing Vax-Vetta system (which I love) and then when an improvement to one part of that system finally comes along, it doesn't work with the other part of the system. That, to me, is unacceptable but I may have been hasty in saying I would no longer be a customer. After considering carefully what I'll still be able to do with the new Variax through my Vetta, I think I'll probably still buy one.

I currently play a Variax through a Vetta II and I am looking at it like this - if Line 6 offered me a Vetta upgrade that made my Vetta sound like the new HD Pods for the low low price of say $500 I would probably say it was totally worth it so I do not feel too bad about just buying an HD 500 and running it through my still perfectly good Vetta stereo power amp and speakers,  JTV functionality included at no additional charge.

It's hard for me to believe that the sounds of the HD500 are that much better than what I have in my Vetta II now. I've spent years tweaking the Vettas sounds to amazing results and you say I should just blow another $500 and abandon all of that?

PRAISE THE LORD - WE HAVE A WINNER!!!

I've done the same thing since 2003 when I got my first Vetta.  NOTHING Line 6 has ever produced come s even close to all the capabilities the Vetta has.  Did they give the Vetta a Bogner tube power section... NOPE  That was my first serious clue that Line 6 had given up on this series of amp, then over 3 years without an update.  Yep - it was killed off but no ne of us had any idea what the company was planning to do until now.

So, if I ever get a few bucks to buy one on one of the several multi-pay retail websites, I'll tie up $150.00 bucks just to try out this marvel of 16 amp sounds and do my own side by side comparison.  I'll also see just how well this new VDI product works with the JTV line f guitars since I NEED that feature if I'm ever going to play live with a new JTV.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by jenningsmusic on 2010-11-01 12:52:45

Thanks, Merlin, I'm glad to know there are like-minded players out there and I would love to see a side-by-side comparison.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by johnnyayyy on 2010-11-01 17:39:04

jenningsmusic wrote:

johnnyayyy wrote:

jenningsmusic wrote:

MerlinFL wrote:

What still has me personally peeved is that it is official that the Vetta line of amps WILL NOT be able to interface properly with the new JTV series.  The "oldest" gear that will get an update is the POD XT series.  Nothing older than that with a VDI connector will be updated due to many reasons.  One of which is that all the lines of code space is used up on the Vetta.  I'd be more than happy to sacrifice a dozen amps I never use to make room for those precious lines of code that would allow me to use my JTV with my Vetta.  But alas, this is progress.  This is the real world as we know it today.  This is the reality of computer based equipment of any kind...I guess.

So now my biggest problem is...how do I possibly afford to buy an HD500 and a DT50 2-12 combo?  That's about $2000.00 retail which interestingly enough was the original new price of the Vetta 2-12 combo with the additional Longboard back in 2003.

So for all you guys out there with too much money and the need for a tax write off, PLEASE hook me up with an HD500 and a DT50 2-12 combo amp so I can actually PLAY my new JTV Model 59 at my gigs instead of continuing to use my 700s with my Vetta.

Any affluent people out there willing to help out a fellow (American) musician down on his luck?  I'll be very impressed if anyone can name the movie or cartoon this this line comes from.

Can I ask where you got this information about the Vetta? I love my Vetta and am not about to give it up and what you're telling me is that there is no reason for me to buy a new Variax. This absolutely sucks! If this is true, after 15 very happy years, I will no longer be a Line 6 customer!

I am sorry but I can not discuss where I got this accurate information, but it is just that 100% accurate information.  When I got upset about the thought of this, I was and still am pretty upset.  The guitar is 100% terrific and I WANT to use it live, but with this communication problem between the JTV guitar series and the Vetta, I can't use it live.  This is a shame to say the least.

I'm also sorry that you feel so extreme in your feelings about not doing business with Line 6 because one piece of gear does not work with another.  Obviously what you currently have like I do DOES WORK, and I'm happy with what I have and have been using for several years in combination with each other.  In fact ALL of my live performances depend on BOTH of these products working together.  So for now, I'll just use the new JTV for songs I don't need to switch patches during, or plug into the 1/4" jack to go wireless since the battery system works great.  Not what I planned for, but it's what we have.

I suggest making the best of it and perhaps if there is enough feedback from other Vetta users Line 6 might try to create a patch, or some sort of work around??  The impression I got during my conversation is that there are not that many of us Vetta users for the company to be too concerned with in comparison to the other guitarist out there who are not Vetta users.  I don't doubt there are TONS more of "them" than there are of "us".

Thanks for the response. I'm still upset about this problem because I look at it this way, I bought into this amazing Vax-Vetta system (which I love) and then when an improvement to one part of that system finally comes along, it doesn't work with the other part of the system. That, to me, is unacceptable but I may have been hasty in saying I would no longer be a customer. After considering carefully what I'll still be able to do with the new Variax through my Vetta, I think I'll probably still buy one.

I currently play a Variax through a Vetta II and I am looking at it like this - if Line 6 offered me a Vetta upgrade that made my Vetta sound like the new HD Pods for the low low price of say $500 I would probably say it was totally worth it so I do not feel too bad about just buying an HD 500 and running it through my still perfectly good Vetta stereo power amp and speakers,  JTV functionality included at no additional charge.

It's hard for me to believe that the sounds of the HD500 are that much better than what I have in my Vetta II now. I've spent years tweaking the Vettas sounds to amazing results and you say I should just blow another $500 and abandon all of that?

For those of the opinion that good old primitive 10 year old Vetta modeling sounds as good as or better than current state of the art Pod HD modeling there is an easy fix...

1. Use any JTV supported VDI equipped device (HD 500, XT3, XTLive) as a foot controller for the Vetta (HD 500, XT3,or XTLive all have midi connections, right?).  Alternately, use whatever foot controller you are currently using and just leave the XTlive or XT3 on top of your amp and let your Vetta control patch changes on the XTL or XT3 via midi

2. JTV to VDI to HD 500, XT3,or XTLive.

3. Create patches in HD 500, XT3,or XTLive with no amp or effect.

4. Output of HD 500, XT3,or XTLive to Vetta input (SPDIF is preferred)

I have seen XT3 and XTLive selling for less than $200, I believe this was about what it cost for the VDI that everyone had to buy to upgrade their Vetta I to Vetta II specs so that they could use the old Variaxes... there is your cheap upgrade, keep your old Vetta patches, problem solved.

Just from listening to some clips on the internet I do think the HD500 would probably be a huge improvement in sound over the Vetta models, the HD looks at least as flexible routing-wise, and most likely the HD WOULD NOT take years of programming to get great sounding patches (I too was pretty unhappy with the sound of my Vetta til I spent tons of time tweaking patches, so I completely understand the investment you have made).

I will be buying a 500 and if I don't like it I will return it - then when I get my JTV I will just buy an XTLive or XT3 for the VDI interface, assuming Line 6 or some aftermarket company has not come out with a standalone VDI/midi controlled JTV patch change interface by then.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by markcockerill on 2010-11-01 18:17:05

Just had another fantastic night jamming and the horror on the face of my mate who had his Fender Strat going into a Laney all tube amp when I put my Variax on strat into the Vetta, well it was a face I will never forget, I mimicked him all night and then just for fun, changed to the tele. Oh the joy.

If it ain't broke, don't nother trying to fix it, just play. So much more fun than speculating.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by johnnyayyy on 2010-11-01 18:46:57

MerlinFL wrote:

So now my biggest problem is...how do I possibly afford to buy an HD500 and a DT50 2-12 combo?  That's about $2000.00 retail which interestingly enough was the original new price of the Vetta 2-12 combo with the additional Longboard back in 2003.

So for all you guys out there with too much money and the need for a tax  write off, PLEASE hook me up with an HD500 and a DT50 2-12 combo amp so  I can actually PLAY my new JTV Model 59 at my gigs instead of  continuing to use my 700s with my Vetta.

Ummmm, hate to state the obvious, but... couldn't you just sell your Vetta and maybe one of your Variaxes? That should get your $$$ pretty close to covering the cost of the DT and the HD500

Or maybe sell that Les Paul... or that custom BC Rich you never play... pity the poor  rich man



Re: Expected Release Date???
by johnnyayyy on 2010-11-01 19:10:26

MerlinFL wrote:

toasterdude wrote:

MerlinFL wrote:


So for all you guys out there with too much money and the need for a tax write off, PLEASE hook me up with an HD500 and a DT50 2-12 combo amp so I can actually PLAY my new JTV Model 59 at my gigs instead of continuing to use my 700s with my Vetta.

Any affluent people out there willing to help out a fellow (American) musician down on his luck?  I'll be very impressed if anyone can name the movie or cartoon this this line comes from.

I may be wrong but am pretty sure the vetta will work with the JTV, juist not be able to route mags to one channel and models to another. If that is true you can still use the JTV with vetta and it would be an improvement over the 700s since you get improved models and alt tuning etc.

I guess you missed my post that described what I use and what I've found in my testing of the JTV guitar with my Vetta amp.

IT DOES NOT WORK, IT WILL NOT WORK. There is no "maybe it might" in any of these facts.

I hope I've cleared up any confusion about what I've been talking about.

Erm, I was not confused until I read what you wrote here:http://line6.com/community/thread/45643?tstart=0

quote: "I had previously wrote that the Vetta was not recognizing any patch  changes, but only the tone knob values when trying to save a patch to a  specific amp patch on the Vetta.  AMAZINGLY to my pleasant surprise -  this TOO has been corrected!!!  I do not know how or why it fixed the  JTV to Vetta communication problem I was having with the factory JTV  patches, but the main thing is - IT ALL NOW WORKS PERFECTLY as was told  to us by RIch R. many months ago when several of us here on these forums  asked about loading our created patches from Workbench into any of the  JTV guitars."

So from reading this it looks like it was working at some point, what happened?



Re: Expected Release Date???
by jyflorida on 2010-11-04 09:37:21

Just got a call from Sweetwater - the expected release date "from Line 6" according to the sales rep is now December 10.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by digiprod on 2010-11-04 09:45:23

Who wants to bet that we really do not see them until 2011? Lets re-open the pool!



Re: Expected Release Date???
by artnpam on 2010-11-04 13:27:55

jyflorida wrote:

Just got a call from Sweetwater - the expected release date "from Line 6" according to the sales rep is now December 10.

Got the same call today - 12/10 as well.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by grimm26 on 2010-11-04 13:36:41

Jeez, they never call me .



Re: Expected Release Date???
by jenningsmusic on 2010-11-04 13:41:55

Great! I am still hoping to have mine by Christmas!



Re: Expected Release Date???
by rchoueri on 2010-11-04 13:50:27

XMAS? Are you nuts? How on earth is that gaylord ho ho ho fat basturd in the red suit and long white beard gonna get down the chimney with my JTV59 huh?

No sir. I want mine here at least two weeks before that and I don't want any deer fecal matter splattered all over the case either! a cappice paysan?

It must be operational with the HD500 + DT50 Christmas Eve thru New Years Eve!!!! Hey but dat's what I tink! ~fuggedaboudit!~

~skygod~



Re: Expected Release Date???
by lachlan123 on 2010-11-04 17:15:19

God I hope I get mine before christmas.... I'm leaving the country on christmas morning. Then coming to the states on YOUR christmas morning =D

TWO CHRISTMASES!

perhaps I will recieve two JTV's?



Re: Expected Release Date???
by rchoueri on 2010-11-08 15:28:06

Just got off the phone with my sales guy at GC Paramus. Apparently GC has been notfied that the original date for the DT50 heads as promised 11/7/2010  has been moved up to the second week in December 2010?????? That's a month lapse from the orginal date and he states that Line 6 is NOT answering his calls either.

Hello Line 6. WTF over???? This is NOT good ....

~skygod~



Re: Expected Release Date???
by U2acrobatNL on 2010-11-11 04:34:29

Ok, first of all I'm not sure what the post about the introduction date for the DT-50 is doing in the JTV group (see above).

Secondly, I caught this status update on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=452088657943&set=a.411419492943.185084.337198177943

It's looking good, apparently the first production run went well and we are still on target for a roll-out before the year is over



Re: Expected Release Date???
by MJOforIAM on 2010-11-11 14:13:47

Good news today! My Sweetwater rep called me and said my JTV-59 will be in Wdnesday Nov 17th and My POD HD500 will be in on the following Monday the 22nd. Should have both by Thanksgiving!!!

POD X3 Live

POD XT Live

POD Studio UX 2

Variax 300

All of which are for sale!!!!! Need to pay for my new POD equipment!! Email me if your interested.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by orion8251 on 2010-11-11 14:30:38

OH MAN!  That's some freakin' exciting news!



Re: Expected Release Date???
by rchoueri on 2010-11-13 04:59:50

MJOforIAM- 

I hope your contact Sweetwater is right bro. I spoke again with the manager at GC Paramus and my sales rep last night, and both are still getting the word that the 2d week in Dec is the target date for both the DT50 & JTV. Their reasoning, in absence of clear guidance or resolution from Line6 of course is pure speculation:

a. Last minute QC control issues causing a delay before initial release? or

b. The boat from China, well .... we're dealing with China now aren't we boys n goils? or

c. Big bang theory: Both the DT50 and JTV released at the same time for danger close maximum fire for effect on target population planet us? or

d. All of the above? or

e. None of the above? or

f. Does anybody in the AxeFx forum give a flyng faak? or

g. Does anybody in the Line6 discussion forum give a flying faak if anybody in the AxeFX forum gives a flying faak?

Hey multiple choice delusion like in grad school all over again. How charming. Anyway, and in summary ladies and gentlemen of the Line6 world jury par excellence, I'd like to have both by Thanksgiving as well. The defense rests. Prosecution will assume their case Monday morning at 10 o'clock. Cheers all have a great weekend-

~skygod~

PS. For the previous poster,

FYI, I perceive the [HD500+DT50+JTV59] that the latter two that I have on order and paid for and the former here in my studio already -- as a "Complete Ecosystem." Hey but dat's my thinking. Sorry of it offends you of I mention the two other items in a JTV forum, but y'know what? Sue me! Hey but dats what I tink!

~fuggedaboudit!~

~skygod~

PPS.

Did I mention how much I love the PODX3 Pro? If this [HD500+DT50+JTV59] combination gets any better than that I'll be in hog heaven.

~skygod~

PPPS.

Where exactly is hog heaven anyway? Have any of you ever been there? Moreover, why would any sane person want to go there in the first place?

~skygod~

PPPPS.

~fuggedaboudit!~

~skygod~



Re: Expected Release Date???
by derekbiggerstaff on 2010-11-13 09:21:21

I haven't read the whole thread so I'm sorry if my question has been answered already, but most of the discussion seems to refer to the Korean guitars, while I ordered a US 59 months ago and have no idea when I might see it. My retailer say's December but reading between the lines I'd say the information he's getting is really about the Korean models and I wouldn't have thought there was any connection.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by Nick_Mattocks on 2010-11-13 10:27:21

derekbiggerstaff wrote:

I haven't read the whole thread so I'm sorry if my question has been answered already, but most of the discussion seems to refer to the Korean guitars, while I ordered a US 59 months ago and have no idea when I might see it. My retailer say's December but reading between the lines I'd say the information he's getting is really about the Korean models and I wouldn't have thought there was any connection.

The US and Korean models will use some of the same parts - particularly the electronics modules, so any delays on those would probably affect both US and Korean models equally - plus when the official launch date is announced I guess it will apply to both US and Korean models.

Nick



Re: Expected Release Date???
by U2acrobatNL on 2010-11-13 11:00:49

rchoueri -

About your point B : at least for the JTV's we're talking Korea, not China. Not that it matters much, they still have to sail them in from a land far far away.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by derekbiggerstaff on 2010-11-14 03:12:43

Nick, Thanks for that. I'm clear now, but still on tenterhooks!



Re: Expected Release Date???
by MJOforIAM on 2010-11-16 14:28:44

UPDATE! Sweetwater now says Friday for my JTV(Korean) and still Monday for the HD 500. The guy I talked to said a "boatload" of the 500's are scheduled to come in so hopefully alot of us will get these soon! He also said they have the 300's and 400's in stock just not the 500's. They filled some orders of the 500's on a previous shipment. I would doubt this info except he gave alot of details so I feel pretty good about it. He said obviously they are at the mercy of Line 6 but that was the latest info, they are "all over line 6" bugging about these orders.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by rchoueri on 2010-11-16 17:25:40

Why is Sweetwater is so late getting the HD500s in? I've had my HD500 for three weeks now from GC. I called GC to track my DT50 special order and its still expected for the 3rd week Nov 2010 from Korea to their Kansas warehouse then to NJ. The JTV59 second special order thru GC went direct to Line6. Those are expected to be here early December 2010. I want this entire system to be up an running tested and tweaked before the XMAS live . I hope somebody at Line6 is pushing some hot buttons to make this happen.

later -

~skygod~

How to keep a woman happy.... Priceless!

It's not difficult to make a woman happy.

A man only needs to be:

1. A friend
2. A companion
3. A lover
4. A brother
5. A father
6. A
man
7. A chef
8. An electrician
9. A carpenter
10. A plumber
11. A mechanic
12. A decorator
13. A stylist
14. A sexologist
15. A gynecologist
16. A psychologist
17. A bug exterminator
18. A psychiatrist
19. A healer
20. A good listener
21. An organizer
22. A good father
23. Very clean
24. Sympathetic
25. Athletic
26. Warm
27. Attentive
28. Gallant
29. Intelligent
30. Funny
31. Creative
32. Tender
33. Strong
34. Understanding
35. Tolerant
36. Prudent
37. Ambitious
38. Capable
39. Courageous
40. Determined
41. True
42. Dependable
43. Passionate
44. Compassionate

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46. Love shopping
47. Be honest
48. Be very rich
49. Never stress her
50. Never look at other girls

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51. Give her lots of attention, but expect little yourself
52. Give her lots of time, especially time for herself
53. Give her lots of space

VERY IMPORTANT:

54. Never to forget:
* birthdays
* anniversaries

* her favorite color

* her favorite flower

* her favorite gem

* her favorite fragrance

* her favorite memories

* her favorite holidays

* her favorite friends

* her favorite vacation destinations

* her favorite beverage

* her favorite food

* her favorite alcoholic drink

* her favorite restaurant

* her favorite nightclub
*
any arrangements she makes


HOW TO MAKE A MAN HAPPY


1. Leave him alone



Re: Expected Release Date???
by levisiebens on 2010-11-16 18:24:33

So I don't suppose you ordered a jtv 59 from sweetwater I haven't heard anything from my rep but that at least would mean things are coming (especially if it was one of the black ones)



Re: Expected Release Date???
by orion8251 on 2010-11-16 18:36:25

I'm in the same boat as you.  I ordered a black JTV-59 from Sweetwater, but haven't heard anything from my sales rep for about three weeks.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by thegreatoz on 2010-11-16 19:04:18

I heard from my Sweetwater rep this evening, he says that they are expecting quite a few JTVs to arrive on 11/24 and I'm at the top of the list to get a JTV-69! He did stress that this was an EXPECTED delivery date and that they are at the mercy of Line 6. Fingers crossed!



Re: Expected Release Date???
by MJOforIAM on 2010-11-16 19:33:35

levisiebens- Yes, ordered from Sweetwater- JTV-59 Tobacco Sunburst! That was the other thing that led me to believe the info I received because I hadn't heard from my rep in like a month. so when he called I take what he said a little more serious......maybe I'm just deperate for any good news???

rchoueri- you forgot Sex and Food first! Then leave us alone!



Re: Expected Release Date???
by levisiebens on 2010-11-16 22:24:24

Well I'll take your good news since I don't have any of my own



Re: Expected Release Date???
by DragonRM on 2010-11-17 10:04:42

My contact at Sweetwater is still saying Nov 24th for the Korean JTVs (at least for the 69 and 89) but they're still thinking December or later for the US models.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by harmaes on 2010-11-17 10:21:45

The Korean 69 at thomann.de is set at December 17th and Germany is closer than the US. ;-)

Rich also mentioned the 2nd week of december so I would be very surprised if yours is delivered on the 24th.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by Vettaville-nl on 2010-11-17 11:23:31

Both firmware for JTV and new Workbench is released by Line 6  and available for download

see here

http://www.vettaville.nl/page.php?id=141#1137

Regards

- Hans



Re: Expected Release Date???
by rchoueri on 2010-11-18 03:47:12

GC called me back again last night. The date here in NJ has been moved forward again and now target is the 2d week of December.

That's to their warehouse in Kansas by the 11th-17th; the shipment expected with five heads inbound.

Mine is prepaid and he told me I'll get one of the first five a week later.

Fingers crossed -

~skygod~



Re: WTF???
by orion8251 on 2010-11-19 14:09:38

Bad news.  My Sweetwater rep called today to inform me that the JTV-59 I have on order is now projected to ship at the end of December!   He also said that some of the other models are expected even later than that.  Wow, I'm really starting to lose interest.  Where is Rich in all of this?  I sure wish he would let us know what the 'fudge is going on because I'm starting to wonder if there is going to be issues with these guitars when we finally do get them.  I'm starting to feel like a Line 6 "Spinal Puppet"....pun intended.



Re: WTF???
by digiprod on 2010-11-19 14:14:46

I will give you one better. My Sweetwater rep just informed me that we are looking at January 2011. This is no surprise to me as I have been predicting this on these forums for months!

So I guess we went from September, to October, to November, to December, to January and beyond!!! HAHA These guys were so full of it months ago, really!



Re: WTF???
by grimm26 on 2010-11-19 14:28:04

crapola.  I'm tempted to hang on for it to finally ship if only because I ordered my JTV-89 before the price increase ($100) since I might end up wanting to buy one later anyway.  It is annoying that it is tying me against ordering some other gear for the time being, though

I'm hoping I'll get my JTV-89 faster than the other models since it seems most seem to want the JTV-59 and JTV-69.  Hope Rich posts some updates about what is happening in Korea.



Re: WTF???
by guitar4u on 2010-11-19 15:07:24

I too am losing interest The novelty is wearing off; too much hype, too soon and all of this waiting and missing delivery dates....sigh. Well, whatever! The holidays are here and other deals are to be had. I will wait until mid-December on the Variax and if it's a no-show I will simply spend the money elsewhere. There are plenty of things to spend $ on



Re: WTF???
by digiprod on 2010-11-19 15:25:43

I bet there is no way you will see a new Variax this year. My Sweetwater rep was quite clear it would not be until January and I placed my pre-orders a long time ago!

I just called Musicians Friend to get an RMA for the HD500 I bought. I am returning it. I am just not satisfied with it. Pain in the butt to program, terrible documentation, and it just does not sound that much better than my old Pod XT Live (that I recently sold) or especially either one of my Fender tube amps to my ears! Yep I am going back to a few pedals and a tube amp. Simple and better sounding. Too much work programming to get to little in return in sound. I just order one new pedal to add to the few I already owned, a Fulltone Plimsoul overdrive. I thinks this will work better for me.

I will wait for the JTV-59 and JTV-69 I pre-ordered for now, but if it misses January I will cancel them.

Line 6 way over hyped this, this was no way it was ever being delivered months ago. When Rich said he was going to Koreas for a first so-callled production run only recently, I knew then it would be Jan 2011 or later! Why the hell Line 6 could not come clean and give a more realistic date is beyond me.



Re: WTF???
by Goocher on 2010-11-19 16:26:02

digiprod wrote:

I bet there is no way you will see a new Variax this year. My Sweetwater rep was quite clear it would not be until January and I placed my pre-orders a long time ago!

I knew this, too.  My Sweetwater rep has been on the money from the get-go.  I ordered a 69US, and I'm looking at mid- to late-Jan.  No surprises.  And I can wait.

digiprod wrote:

Line 6 way over hyped this, this was no way it was ever being delivered months ago. When Rich said he was going to Koreas for a first so-callled production run only recently, I knew then it would be Jan 2011 or later! Why the hell Line 6 could not come clean and give a more realistic date is beyond me.

I think it's not as simple as over-hype.  Products are tougher to get out the door than people realize.  So many dependencies.  If one critical dependency becomes unstable or drops out altogether: no build.  I think Line 6 was simply unable to fulfill what originally seemed like a very doable manufacturing schedule.



Re: WTF???
by jdenkevitz on 2010-11-19 16:31:21

Line 6 has been clear that they didnt want to give firm dates, and were up front about that, because stuff happens. Sweetwater is the one giving out dates and being wrong about it. Not line 6.

Id much rather wait a few months to get a better instrument than what I went through with the x3 live when it came out. The x3 live was riddled with issues, that took several months of time to clear up (and trips to a repair switch to fix a shoddy switch that became unglued).

No other product out there does what the variax does, its worth the wait imo.

In the meantime Im finding the hd500 great. Its much nicer than any previous pod ive owned (xt live and x3live). It does require you to spend the time to really learn it. Create patches from scratch and really get to know how each cab and mic combo works with each different amp. The possibilities are wide ranging.



Re: WTF???
by Goocher on 2010-11-19 16:38:37

jdenkevitz wrote:

... Im finding the hd500 pretty incredible. Its much nicer than any previous pod ive owned (xt live and x3live). It does require you to spend the time to really learn it. Create patches from scratch and really get to know how each cab and mic combo works with each different amp. The possibilities are wide ranging.

I remember the same "get to know" period for both the XTLive and the X3Live (and the Ultra).  Every gadget worth its salt has taken time to fully appreciate.  In particular, I almost returned the X3Live back when I received it.  I bought it right when it came out.  At first, I didn't like it, and was wishing I had my XTLive back.  But then I made a decision to get to know the interface and start creating my own patches.  Lo and behold, within a few days I was in love.  Seriously.  It's the only piece of technology I can think of where I thought to myself, "Man, this is like a technology miracle."  Just amazing.  Of course, the world has moved on, and CPUs have become more powerful, etc.  I'm expecting the HD 500 to be similar.  Take a little time to "settle in" and get acclimated, and I imagine I'll really dig it.  It will compliment my Ultra.  Ultra for studio; HD 500 for live work (and studio).



Re: WTF???
by rchoueri on 2010-11-19 17:23:21

Goocher-

I can wait too.  If its January then its January. Bummer oh snap and all that jazz that it can't be here for the XMAS shows, but oh well, life goes on - Know what gang? I spent the entire day today dedicated to my HD500 to really put it through the paces and I made some really startling discoveries.

I took a simple two amp patch and cleared all the other efx with just two amps and the volume control and cloned it. Didn't even assign nose gates on high gain amps.

Twin/Twin

Plexi 45 G1225-Plexi 100 G1225

Plexi100 G12-25-Plexi100 G1230V

Plexi100 G1225-JCM800 G1230V

Plexi100 G1225-Ubeschall Uber cab

Plexi100 G1225-Rectifier Mesa V30

Plexi100 G1225-Engl Engl XX30

Bassman-Bassman

9/15-9/15

AC30TB-AC30TB

AC15-AC15

Deluxe-Deluxe

Supro-Supro

(each with its dedicated combo cab)

I tweaked each amps front settings as I do on the real heads and combos. Kept the speaker on and ran just two pedals front -- a Fuchs OD into a Fuchs Xtreme 2 channel into the HD500 input. Ran the Right mono out into two power amps dry center into dual 2x12 Eminence Tonespotter/Wizard Cabs.

Ran the Left mono out into my live rack programmed TCE 2290 (Dynamic Delays, Panners, Choruses and Flangers etc) into a Lexicon Reverb unit Small Plate into two power amps into dual 4x12s with Eminence Delta 12A Pros on the bottom and JBLD120Fs on the top. Note these cabs will reproduce anything you feed them very accurately w/o coloration.

Gang, the result? Holy faaking crappola!!!! The HD500 alone is a monster. I played for 12 straight hours and the tone is freaking amazing and I'm not just saying this. YOU HAVE TO SHUT OFF all the internal junk and just use the amp models. What the previous poster said about this being a little better than the PODX3 is way off target. They are not even in the same league tonewise. I know this for a fact as I also use the PODX3 Pro as a dongle for recording direct to DAW and it is NOT the same at all.

I must also metion that my point of reference is real amp heads that I own including plexis, twins, voxes, engls, mesa etc., and those that I no longer have I have used extensively all except the 9/15 and supro and know how to set these amps up and what sounds good and what does not thru what cabs with what live mics.

I can't even imagine how wonderful this is going to be when the DT50 arrives and my dry center will have the CORRECT output stage associated with the particular models fed from the HD500 ground control. Instead of taking the outputs from the HD500 I will take it from the DT50 head to the rack into my rack effects and the amp head(s) will be my center. This is going to be well worth the wait.

Caveat. There's a switch on the HD500 that says Guitar input 'Line/Pad.' Make sure you set the HD500 to 'Pad' when running a dry signal out from the output into the return of a combo or a head or rack effects. The Line level is too hot, and should only be run direct into a power amp.

Folks, I am not an apologist for Line 6, and in fact was a protagonist for many years, but this upgraded balls-on amp modeling technology is ground breaking and I'm actually stunned. Don't lose heart and give up so soon. This is NOT like previous Line6/POD products. Forget the internal effects and just concentrate on the amp models. That is what this is all about. That is why I bought into this. I couldn't give a rats ars about the M9 or M13 or any of their cheesy internal effects. I use TCE and Lexicon and Eventide rack products period and that's my meal ticket.

And as far front end pedals are concerned to slam the front end of the amp, I have so much money and TLC invested in my Keely modded pedals, and my Carl Martin compressor and my real wahs etc, why on earth would I want to slam the front end of ANY amplifier with a modeled whatever when I have the real analog dealio. Nothing can ever replace a modded TS9 or TS10 or Rat or BD2 or DS1 or SD1 or whatever slamming the front of a twin or plexi, you now, the real pedal thing aka the stuff that I have been using live for over 30 years now thank you very much. This HD500-DT50 combination is not a plug in and play toy. This is some dead serious technology folks and Bogner nailed it.

Finally I'm glad the other poster mentioned how well the JTV he's got works and sounds. When  it gets here it gets here. Its gonna be a motherscooter when the three of these things are finally here and married together. All you cats who want to bail out and buy other gear well good luck and best regards all. You'll be missing the ride of your life

Cheers all-

~skygod~



Re: WTF???
by DragonRM on 2010-11-19 18:53:34

Yeah... I got the call for my 89 today too saying early January... bummer...



Re: WTF???
by MerlinFL on 2010-11-19 23:45:31

rchoueri wrote:

Goocher-

I can wait too.  If its January then its January. Bummer oh snap and all that jazz that it can't be here for the XMAS shows, but oh well, life goes on - Know what gang? I spent the entire day today dedicated to my HD500 to really put it through the paces and I made some really startling discoveries.

I took a simple two amp patch and cleared all the other efx with just two amps and the volume control and cloned it. Didn't even assign nose gates on high gain amps.

Twin/Twin

Plexi 45 G1225-Plexi 100 G1225

Plexi100 G12-25-Plexi100 G1230V

Plexi100 G1225-JCM800 G1230V

Plexi100 G1225-Ubeschall Uber cab

Plexi100 G1225-Rectifier Mesa V30

Plexi100 G1225-Engl Engl XX30

Bassman-Bassman

9/15-9/15

AC30TB-AC30TB

AC15-AC15

Deluxe-Deluxe

Supro-Supro

(each with its dedicated combo cab)

I tweaked each amps front settings as I do on the real heads and combos. Kept the speaker on and ran just two pedals front -- a Fuchs OD into a Fuchs Xtreme 2 channel into the HD500 input. Ran the Right mono out into two power amps dry center into dual 2x12 Eminence Tonespotter/Wizard Cabs.

Ran the Left mono out into my live rack programmed TCE 2290 (Dynamic Delays, Panners, Choruses and Flangers etc) into a Lexicon Reverb unit Small Plate into two power amps into dual 4x12s with Eminence Delta 12A Pros on the bottom and JBLD120Fs on the top. Note these cabs will reproduce anything you feed them very accurately w/o coloration.

Gang, the result? Holy faaking crappola!!!! The HD500 alone is a monster. I played for 12 straight hours and the tone is freaking amazing and I'm not just saying this. YOU HAVE TO SHUT OFF all the internal junk and just use the amp models. What the previous poster said about this being a little better than the PODX3 is way off target. They are not even in the same league tonewise. I know this for a fact as I also use the PODX3 Pro as a dongle for recording direct to DAW and it is NOT the same at all.

I must also metion that my point of reference is real amp heads that I own including plexis, twins, voxes, engls, mesa etc., and those that I no longer have I have used extensively all except the 9/15 and supro and know how to set these amps up and what sounds good and what does not thru what cabs with what live mics.

I can't even imagine how wonderful this is going to be when the DT50 arrives and my dry center will have the CORRECT output stage associated with the particular models fed from the HD500 ground control. Instead of taking the outputs from the HD500 I will take it from the DT50 head to the rack into my rack effects and the amp head(s) will be my center. This is going to be well worth the wait.

Caveat. There's a switch on the HD500 that says Guitar input 'Line/Pad.' Make sure you set the HD500 to 'Pad' when running a dry signal out from the output into the return of a combo or a head or rack effects. The Line level is too hot, and should only be run direct into a power amp.

Folks, I am not an apologist for Line 6, and in fact was a protagonist for many years, but this upgraded balls-on amp modeling technology is ground breaking and I'm actually stunned. Don't lose heart and give up so soon. This is NOT like previous Line6/POD products. Forget the internal effects and just concentrate on the amp models. That is what this is all about. That is why I bought into this. I couldn't give a rats ars about the M9 or M13 or any of their cheesy internal effects. I use TCE and Lexicon and Eventide rack products period and that's my meal ticket.

And as far front end pedals are concerned to slam the front end of the amp, I have so much money and TLC invested in my Keely modded pedals, and my Carl Martin compressor and my real wahs etc, why on earth would I want to slam the front end of ANY amplifier with a modeled whatever when I have the real analog dealio. Nothing can ever replace a modded TS9 or TS10 or Rat or BD2 or DS1 or SD1 or whatever slamming the front of a twin or plexi, you now, the real pedal thing aka the stuff that I have been using live for over 30 years now thank you very much. This HD500-DT50 combination is not a plug in and play toy. This is some dead serious technology folks and Bogner nailed it.

Finally I'm glad the other poster mentioned how well the JTV he's got works and sounds. When  it gets here it gets here. Its gonna be a motherscooter when the three of these things are finally here and married together. All you cats who want to bail out and buy other gear well good luck and best regards all. You'll be missing the ride of your life

Cheers all-

~skygod~

Okay - but for a change, I'm NOT going to say anything as I now have in my room an HD500, a DT50 2-12 combo that weighs 86 f-n pounds! with NO CASTERS!!  They should have put removable casters on this beast.  thanks god I have a good hand truck!!

And being a Beta person, I have had a JTV model 59US.  I've just started exploring the HD, I could not comment accurately at this time even if I chose to.  but I could say things about trhe DT50 other than how much it weighs, but I'm keeping quiet for now.

I could say how all three of these pieces of the "flagship" series of guitar gear Line 6 has developed and produced work together, but nope - I'm not saying a word yet.  I'll leave any who read this with just one simple fact - not all is as it seems when it comes to integration, communication, and the new Workbench software for the JTV guitars and the new EDIT software for the HD series PODs.  But why again is it that the manuals are so lame, yet are written in several languages, instead of actually giving useful USER info other than telling us where online to look up more advanced user info for each new product??

I'll do more HD500 exploration (probably like what was suggested, although I kinda get a giggle out of the automatic two-hand tapping effect patch that comes in the factory set.  I was able to play the Van Halen's "You Really Got Me" intro by just playing the root note of each of the tapped parts - that was entertaining) and then I'll have something, or many things, I'll wish to share with the Line 6 community.

That's all from me for now,

Neal



Re: WTF???
by rchoueri on 2010-11-20 15:02:10

Neal-

You should have asked for the head instead of a heavy combo.Very difficult to integrate a combo into a live rig unless you want took like that

ridiculous Irish guy with the tiny 2x12 vox on a stand and a refrigerator rack next to it full of effects.

Naagh, I'll wait on the head and get a second one for one of my multi head ATA racks.

KISS -- keep it simple stupid works very well for me LO

Good luck on your lab tests doctor. Time to break out the lab coat huh?

Later -

~skygod~



Re: WTF???
by ozbadman on 2010-11-20 15:24:16

I'd like the head and a 2x cab I think. The 212 and 112 just sound so damn heavy, but I don't need a half rack either. If they had the 212 as a head and cab that would be the one for me.



Re: WTF???
by rchoueri on 2010-11-20 18:00:52

oz-

Here's a suggestion to you and anybody else out there looking for a neato cab to inetgrate with the dt50 when you get it. Avatar makes some really no BS great cabs.

I have two G212h Custom (http://avatarspeakers.com/) 2x12 cabs in my studio that I bought from them around four years ago w/o speakers.  Just ask him for dual mono jacks and the wiring. They're dirt cheap and exceptionally well made. I also asked him for the metal screen grille as well for both. I occasionally take these out on the road for smaller to medium indoor venues and run two of these wet on top of dual marshall 4x12s bottom slants with G1280s. I also bought two 4x12 custom empties from him with the metal grills as well and customized those myself with high output JBLs and Eminence Speakers. My studio marshall cabs are G1225s and G1230s and G1275s for classic 'celestion coloration.'

If you are planning on using the speaker sims in the HD500 or the DT50, that are quite good IMO, then you will need flat eq speakers to not color that sound anymore rather just amplify what you've got. Dig?  Eminence and JBLs are the ticket. My dithers and all I use are the Delta 12A Pros and  JBL D120Fs.  If you can't afford the D120Fs, then get the Beyma Liberty 8s instead and they are dead balls-on E-120 JBL knockoffs and much cheaper:

http://www.usspeaker.com/DELTAPRO12-1.htm

http://www.usspeaker.com/homepage.htm look up Beyma Liberty 8

Here's a side note to another poster who is running a POD into the front end of a Marshall JCM.  My recommendation: Don't do it. You are running a modeled amp into the front end of a real amp. It is Over-EQ'd.  Slamming the front end of an amp combo or head with a pedal designed to do that is one thing, but slamming it with a modeled amp or pedal? Hmmm.  Steak overcooked cuz.

Low to Medium gain class A and Class AB amps were desigend for analog pedals. It brings out the 2d and 3rd guitar harmonic via OD or Distortion overdrive or a combination of both. The send-returns of the amp is a better spot to bypass the amp circuitry and go for the output tranny instead if you must use the POD modeling. And if you have no send-rtns, then get a H&K Red Box classic DI or a Palmer PDI-09 DI and run the line off the head between the head and the speaker cab thru the POD bypassing the amp models and just use the POD wet EFX and run a separate power amp into a discrete cabs instead.  That way you can bypass the cheesy preamps of the POD and use its wet effects instead being driven by the output of the JCM whatever model you are using via the Red Tube or Palmer signal.

FYI I toured an entire year with dual 5150 heads and ran the modeled preamp of a Boss JT6 into the returns of the 5150 into dual Mesa 4x12 G12-30V cabs. Amazing tone after I tweaked it. I bypassed the 5150 because the EQ just sucked completely.  Remember, whatever you do less is better. Like in Mixing its usually minimalist reductive EQ and Dynamics and Mastering is usually mostly reductive. Its not how many effects you can squeeze into the chain, its developing a great usable and convincing signature amp tone, havio\ng the appropriate boost at the front when you need it, and minimalist effects to get the spatial image where it needs to be in the band stage mix. Delay and Reverb is usually as heavy as it needs to get. An occasional phaser, or flanger, or chorus or detune is tasteful. The rest is all, well for lack of a better term, not necessary -

If your amp is a JCM800 or below down to a basic westinghouse Bassman cuircuit then use a RAT or a TS9  or SD1 or DS1 or BD2 at the front and that's all you'll ever need for any genre of rock to fusion anyway. If you are using a JCM2000, well. that's probably the highest gain distortion model Jim Marshall ever created. Why on earth does anybody need more distortion than that?. But for those who must have more distortion then get an ENGL head instead and you're done. Its the Binford 500 More Power and you're done.  I have lots of his stuff as well as Egnater, and Marshall, and Bogner and Soldano and Rivera, but ENGL, well I have discovered that he sits at the left hand of the heavenly father, and the Lord Jesus of course sits at the right

And for all you devil worshippers, well don'friggin worry about it! ~fuggedaboudit!~

Gotta go. Amps on in 1 hour and 1 min and I'll be late

Cheers all -

~skygod~



Re: WTF???
by ozbadman on 2010-11-20 18:10:40

Thanks for the heads up skygod. I'll check that out.

Cheers,

David.



Re: WTF???
by MerlinFL on 2010-11-21 00:54:38

rchoueri wrote:

Neal-

You should have asked for the head instead of a heavy combo.Very difficult to integrate a combo into a live rig unless you want took like that

ridiculous Irish guy with the tiny 2x12 vox on a stand and a refrigerator rack next to it full of effects.

Naagh, I'll wait on the head and get a second one for one of my multi head ATA racks.

KISS -- keep it simple stupid works very well for me LO

Good luck on your lab tests doctor. Time to break out the lab coat huh?

Later -

~skygod~

Yo Vinnie Boombatz!!  :-)

I already HAVE a Vetta 2-12 combo and I do not look silly next to anyone since my gear kicks a$$!!!  What's silly is a head & 4x12 cab in the bars I play every week in.  Retarded is making a combo that weighs MORE than the Vetta PLUS having to turn it up so loud that it's stupid to play out live - even on 1.2 power to get that "feel" thing it CAN produce - then calling it new and improved.  Is Line 6 aware of Class D amplification??

However, when I get signed (cough, cough) and go on my world tour (more coughing), I'll not even concern myself with the FOUR 2-12 DT50 combo amps sitting on top of full stacks of 8 ohm 4x12 cabs.  Let the youngsters with no brains and all braun lift and lug that 86 pound beast with no flippin' casters (times FOUR) on and off the top of my four stacks.  I'l even get the friggin Vax guts designer to come on tour with me, plus Bogner to fine tune the amps PERSONALLY, PLUS the development team that dumped the Vetta line for this HD500 and have them program it to perform LIKE my Vetta and longboard does now!!

Hows ya likes dem apples, bro?!  LOL

Yo - have a great Turkey Day!!

Gone fishin',

Neal



Re: WTF???
by rchoueri on 2010-11-21 01:42:57

Neal,

I didn’t say a combo looked silly on stage, rather that silly Irish guy with the combo on the stand and a refrigerator rack next to it. Actually two refrigerator racks!

The key operational term here mah boy is “Refrigerator Rack” like in tall mean and ominous standing Sears and Roebuck refrigeratorrRack next to the tiny dwarfy voxy thingy ….

A cappice? ~fuggedaboudit!~

Now then, If I am hearing what I am understanding you are saying is what then? The DT50 combo is TFL*?

I had to program my master on the HD500 at least 50 percent to get a viable tone on any patch running into power amps direct. The volume pedal controls the remainder.

The other signal went into wet rack so the volume there was controllable as always via devices to separate power amps.

Let us know how this develops. If this is going to be a problem with volume if one has to turn it up too loud to get into the sweet spot of each patch then there’s a potential problem for the community. I have PPIMV on every plexi I own. Unless it is an outdoor live concert very large , I have no need to open full throttle. The PPIMV is great for outdoor or indoor venues and getting the same tube saturation at 7 or above and just micing it or Palmering it to FOH and stage monitors. The DT technology will probably not lend itself to a PPIMV w/o voiding the warranty.

Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours too bro. We still have much to be thankful for still in this country. Lets all remember our veterans out there in harms way - 

A veteran is someone who at one point in his life wrote a blank check made payable to 'The United States of America'  for an amount of up to and including their life. That is Honor and there are way too many people in this country who no longer understand it

Cheers all -

*Notes:

1. TFL: Too faaking loud

2. Trust me you don’t want to get signed by anybody in this bottom feeding industry.

You sign your life away to selfish ruthless greedmongers who steal your mind, and soul, and heart,

then clone you into their silly likeness and image of nonsense and vanity

But maybe you do. Bonne chance either way –

Tired, long day, long night, need sleep

later – zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

~skygod~



Re: WTF???
by grimm26 on 2010-11-21 06:25:44

MerlinFL wrote:

I already HAVE a Vetta 2-12 combo and I do not look silly next to anyone since my gear kicks a$$!!!  What's silly is a head & 4x12 cab in the bars I play every week in.  Retarded is making a combo that weighs MORE than the Vetta PLUS having to turn it up so loud that it's stupid to play out live - even on 1.2 power to get that "feel" thing it CAN produce - then calling it new and improved.  Is Line 6 aware of Class D amplification??

Wouldn't going Class D (MOSFET) defeat the purpose?  The DT50 is a tube amp.  As many of us here have said, running a Line 6 modeler into a real tube power section breathes some serious life into it.  I'm assuming

even on 1.2 power to get that "feel" thing it CAN produce

refers to your Vetta?  I guess that would make sense since it is a solid state power section.

So, a new and improved tube amp would be one that saturates before it gets loud?  Have you tried the low volume mode on the DT50?  I know that I run my Boogie 50/50 power amp in low power mode and it makes a difference.

On a side note, I'm very glad they went with a 50 watt amp for the DT50 series.  100 watt amps just add more weight and make it harder to really drive them.



Re: WTF???
by digiprod on 2010-11-21 09:56:22

Line 6 has been as clear as mud! Sweetwater and the other retailers are giving out dates based on what Line 6 is telling them, not making them up as they feel like.

Being able to wait is one thing, but making excuses for Line 6 that was telling their own dealers (which they are well aware are speaking to customers) that these were shipping starting way back in August and September is a little ridiculous. Let's not blame the retailers that are only telling us what they are told form Line 6. Let's be CLEAR, Line 6 has no track record or basis to announce a ship date.

I am looking forward to the JTV-69 and JTV-59 I have on order and am willing to wait for a good product that lacks issues due to rushing it to market. So waiting is not an issue. Giving Line 6 a pass and blaming dealers for the bad and unrealistic ship dates is a bit disingenuous.

As far as the Pod HD500, I was not happy with mine so I shipped it back to Musicians Friend. I guess I am more of a guy who just likes to plug into a nice tube amp and play. I only need a few pedals now and then, so the HD500 was just not for me. I also own Logic Studio and Pod Studio so if I want to play with amp sims I still can. I just saw no reason to keep a $500 unit around that was taking up space that I would not use much. If the HD500 had some killer presets loaded and sounded better to my ears, I would have kept it. A great tube amp still sound better to me and apparently to others as even Line 6 has moved toward a nice tube amp with the DT50.

I can see the added use of recording or playing a live gig with the HD500, but I can do without it. Just give me some nice warm glowing tubes and I am happy. I sold my Pod XT Live to help pay for the HD500. I was not using the Pod XT Live that much either. After over 3 weeks with the HD500 I was not impressed enough to keep it. The HD500 is improved and is a bit better than the XT Live in sounds, IMO. But not enough of an improvement that I wanted to keep it. Still to time consuming and a pain to program on the unit. Using a computer makes it better. The sounds as slightly better than the old Pods, but here again no for me.



Re: WTF???
by thegreatoz on 2010-11-21 10:09:28

digiprod wrote:

Line 6 has been as clear as mud! Sweetwater and the other retailers are giving out dates based on what Line 6 is telling them, not making them up as they feel like.

Being able to wait is one thing, but making excuses for Line 6 that was telling their own dealers (which they are well aware are speaking to customers) that these were shipping starting way back in August and September is a little ridiculous. Let's not blame the retailers that are only telling us what they are told form Line 6. Let's be CLEAR, Line 6 has no track record or basis to announce a ship date.

I am looking forward to the JTV-69 and JTV-59 I have on order and am willing to wait for a good product that lacks issues due to rushing it to market. So waiting is not an issue. Giving Line 6 a pass and blaming dealers for the bad and unrealistic ship dates is a bit disingenuous.


+1 VERY well said!



Re: WTF???
by Nick_Mattocks on 2010-11-21 11:02:14

DT50 TFL?  Not for backline use in a loud rock band scenario it isn't especially if you don't have everything going to FOH, but the Master Volume Pull switch makes the amp as quiet as you want or reasonably loud .....

Now where's my JTV59? 



Re: WTF???
by MerlinFL on 2010-11-21 11:15:50

grimm26 wrote:

MerlinFL wrote:

I already HAVE a Vetta 2-12 combo and I do not look silly next to anyone since my gear kicks a$$!!!  What's silly is a head & 4x12 cab in the bars I play every week in.  Retarded is making a combo that weighs MORE than the Vetta PLUS having to turn it up so loud that it's stupid to play out live - even on 1.2 power to get that "feel" thing it CAN produce - then calling it new and improved.  Is Line 6 aware of Class D amplification??

Wouldn't going Class D (MOSFET) defeat the purpose?  The DT50 is a tube amp.  As many of us here have said, running a Line 6 modeler into a real tube power section breathes some serious life into it.  I'm assuming

even on 1.2 power to get that "feel" thing it CAN produce

refers to your Vetta?  I guess that would make sense since it is a solid state power section.



So, a new and improved tube amp would be one that saturates before it gets loud?  Have you tried the low volume mode on the DT50?  I know that I run my Boogie 50/50 power amp in low power mode and it makes a difference.



On a side note, I'm very glad they went with a 50 watt amp for the DT50 series.  100 watt amps just add more weight and make it harder to really drive them.


What I should have probably said and used for comparison is the fact that I own a Marshall 9100  DUAL 50w all tube power amp.  And the weight of that DUAL 40w power amp, PLUS the weight of a SINGLE Marshall 1960a 4x12 cab weighs LESS than this combo with ONE power section and TWO mismatched speakers in MONO.  I just do not see how this is a step forward.  I CAN sound great, but it's too loud to be practical even at half power.  Simple as that.  I even went so far as to call in this amp as defective just in case I DO have a defective amp.  I'll see what happens when the swap is made, but if nothing changes, this is not a good thing for the majority of us who simply can not play as loud as the amp requires to make the difference it was designed to do.

Hope this explains what I meant the first a bit better.

Happy Turkey Day coming up!!

Neal



Re: WTF???
by rchoueri on 2010-11-21 16:08:23

I discovered many many many moons ago that all the music retailers do the same nonsense. Sweetwater, Sam Ash, Musiciansfriend, ZZounds, Guitar Center and anybody and everybody else E-to-W, and N-to-S. They go to Namm twice a year to see what new gear that has the potential of selling and making the fast profits, then they put it up on their websites and take orders and get pre-payments and hold everybody's money up for months on end that could have been put to better use for other exigent circumstances or gear. What is it with these companies anyway? Are they all vying for the most popular standing among national business sales peers for who got the most pre-orders therefore mine is bigger? That's got to be it then right? A national retailers deek measuring contest? I guess you have to be a chartered member of the NDBBBCD (National Deekhead Better Business Bureau Commerce Division) or the NDB3CD for short to qualify. I surmize at XMAS time Santa gives special bonuses to the biggest deekhead of the lot? Good golly Ms. Molly. Well it's all good. I'm waiting regardless of their skype and BS. Everything's gonna be alright baby .... everything's gonna be alright. When was this thread started again? Expected Release Date Apr 11, 2010 5:18 PM by jlkirby77.  Seven months ago LOL . As the stomach churns baby .... Onward!  Be well and rock on --

~skygod~



Re: Expected Release Date???
by lachlan123 on 2010-11-21 16:19:55

I've not once bothered to ask my chosen retailer when they'll be getting my 69 in. Dunno about the US, but for some reason in Australia 90% of blokes who work in these stores are tools who couldn't tell the difference between an LP and a strat with a blind-fold on.

It'll be like an extra christmas when they call me.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by digiprod on 2010-11-21 16:52:33

I never asked either, but Sweetwater does its best to offer customer service and assigns an agent to you that keeps you informed of what the manufacturer claims will be the ship date.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by ozbadman on 2010-11-21 17:07:18

lachlanc wrote:

I've not once bothered to ask my chosen retailer when they'll be getting my 69 in. Dunno about the US, but for some reason in Australia 90% of blokes who work in these stores are tools who couldn't tell the difference between an LP and a strat with a blind-fold on.

It'll be like an extra christmas when they call me.

Actually, I suspect it'll be more like an extra Easter present when they call you.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by lachlan123 on 2010-11-21 23:29:04

hopefully I get it before my hair turns grey and falls out.

either that or the JTV2 comes out.



Re: WTF???
by guitar4u on 2010-11-22 08:30:12

digiprod wrote:

Being able to wait is one thing, but making excuses for Line 6 that was telling their own dealers (which they are well aware are speaking to customers) that these were shipping starting way back in August and September is a little ridiculous.

Solid point! It's easy to understand why some other companies refuse to give release dates or estimates on where they are in the development process. It was great of Line 6 and Rich to get us involved early and let us see things developing but they did this too soon and anticipation is giving way to frustration. Nobody's fault I guess but it is disappointing.

This delay has given me pause. I'm not an early adopter anyway and don't want to become the beta group here. I got caught up in the hype but now I am feeling a bit more reserved. I may wait for a good 6 months after this is out before investing. $1300 a good chunk of change and I want to see how well people respond, what mistakes are there, and what the compromises are. I don't expect it to be perfect on first run. The repeated delays are typically not a good sign that the product is stable. It may only be that there are problems at the factory but the silence here suggests otherwise. Welcome to the world of technology, right?

R



Re: WTF???
by jenningsmusic on 2010-11-22 09:43:11

I agree. I'm actually going to wait until I can try one out in a store and who knows when that will be?



Re: WTF???
by sparkyERTW on 2010-11-22 12:51:03

jenningsmusic wrote:

I agree. I'm actually going to wait until I can try one out in a store and who knows when that will be?

I wish I had that option.  I don't like buying guitars I haven't had in my hands, but I have a feeling that the only way we're going to see them up here in Canada is by special order.  I could be wrong on that (it would be nice if I was), but the only one's we're likely to see on hangers at the store are returns.



Re: WTF???
by jenningsmusic on 2010-11-22 14:39:09

sparkyERTW wrote:

jenningsmusic wrote:

I agree. I'm actually going to wait until I can try one out in a store and who knows when that will be?

I wish I had that option.  I don't like buying guitars I haven't had in my hands, but I have a feeling that the only way we're going to see them up here in Canada is by special order.  I could be wrong on that (it would be nice if I was), but the only one's we're likely to see on hangers at the store are returns.

Well, it's been awhile since the local Guitar Centers have carried the Variax and I've never seen them at any of the other musical equipment stores I frequent. I've been told GC will carry the new Variax but for how long, I'm sure, depends on how well they sell. In that time frame between when they get all the pre-orders filled and they stop carrying them again, I hope to get one in my hot little hands before I buy it... if I buy it.



Re: WTF???
by rchoueri on 2010-11-22 15:34:07

Well Merlin the Magician,

What other pithy discovereies have you made about your brand new 2x12 82lb U-Boat anchor?

We're all sitting here with baited breath for your next utterance ..... and the children sat at the feet of the great one and awaited his next utterance ....

BTW, I had  a dream last night we were on tour in Europe, and you dropped the combo on your foot loading it onto a truck and smashed all your toes the first week of the tour and I had to get another guitar player to fill in. Ya snapperhead! ~fuggedaboudit!~

~skygod~



Re: WTF???
by U2acrobatNL on 2010-11-23 12:01:28

I have a black JTV-69 on order and my sales rep (in the UK) spoke to Line 6 today and they told him late november / early december. That's in line with Rich Renken's last statement so I'm getting my hopes up.



Re: WTF???
by Chauncey43 on 2010-11-23 13:04:51

I would not get your hopes up. I talked to my sweetwater rep today. Even though I ordered and PAID for the guitar in August and I am 6th on the list, he told me that most likely it will be JANUARY 2011 before I see my guitar. Guess it will be a belated christmas present for sure!

I know the wait will be worth it, but it is very unfortunate that Line 6 has not had more of a finger on the pulse with the status of the production of these guitars. I am willing to wait for quality, but it is certainly discouraging!

My group is opening for the Marshall Tucker Band on December 2nd and I sure was hoping to have my new rig all tweaked by then, but it will not happen.

Have a great Thanksgiving and Christmas all of you.....lets hope the wait is worth it!



Re: WTF???
by U2acrobatNL on 2010-11-23 13:12:46

I still don't see why I should doubt both my own sales rep, who apparently talked to Line 6 today, and Rich Renken. Both of them state the guitar will be shipped in December. Maybe I'm nr 1 on their list



Re: WTF???
by Goocher on 2010-11-23 15:22:26

U2acrobatNL wrote:

I still don't see why I should doubt both my own sales rep, who apparently talked to Line 6 today, and Rich Renken. Both of them state the guitar will be shipped in December. Maybe I'm nr 1 on their list

I think the key in your other post was "in the UK." You may be getting your JTV on the earlier side. My 69US will be ready in mid- to late-Jan. I wasn't making specific plans for when it arrived, and I have other axes to play in the meantime, so I'm fine till then.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by MartinHines on 2010-11-23 18:11:39

I am confident that Rich Renken will post here when he has some definite, concrete, absolutely, no way it's wrong, information. Given he hasn't posted leads me to believe he doesn't yet have concrete dates.

Problems happen with technology development, especially with relatively small companies (like most MI manufacturers are).

I am not canceling my order since my reasons for buying have not changed.  I had hoped to get my new Variax before the end of the year, but it it doesn't happen I am not going to lose any sleep over it.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by guitar4u on 2010-11-23 20:17:59

FWIW, Musicians Friend is offering a pre-order now: Available 12-31-2010


http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Line-6-JTV59?sku=H05504



Re: Expected Release Date???
by MJOforIAM on 2010-11-23 21:02:35

Well...I too got the bad news today. No JTV until January 2011. But what do I have coming to keep me busy until then????? A brand spankin new POD HD 500!!!! Fed Ex Scheduled to deliver tomorrow!!! So while I'm sad....very sad the JTV is not going to be here, I will be having some fun dialing in this new piece of Rawkness!



Re: Expected Release Date???
by defkaf on 2010-11-24 07:14:00

I just took a look at the pictures that Rich has posted, found them in the "Pics" subject.

At least now I know that they are being built, look great, and at least some are ready to ship.

One of those cherry burst 59's is mine! WOO-HOO



Re: Expected Release Date???
by wahwah666 on 2010-11-25 07:50:06

My local music store has told me my '59 won't be here in the UK until January at the earliest. Only good news for me is I ordered before the price shot up by £100...which I find quite incredible seeing as we haven't even seen one yet. Merry fricking xmas!



Re: Expected Release Date???
by derekbiggerstaff on 2010-11-26 03:33:22

According to Anderton's ad in this month's Guitarist magazine (UK) they have JTVs in stock!!!???



Re: Expected Release Date???
by lachlan123 on 2010-11-26 04:57:19

the product page on andertons for the variax's say they are out of stock but are next due to be delivered on the 30th, so there's still some hope for pre-christmas variaxs.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by U2acrobatNL on 2010-11-26 05:21:46

Thomann has pushed the expected delivery date back to 20 january (JTV-69 black). Last thing I was told by my UK reseller (Sound Affects) is still late november / early december. This was 2 days ago. It's all very strange indeed.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by sparkyERTW on 2010-11-26 05:29:35

derekbiggerstaff wrote:

According to Anderton's ad in this month's Guitarist magazine (UK) they have JTVs in stock!!!???

I'm sure at the time they submitted that ad for print they thought they were going to.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by sheguitarplayer2 on 2010-11-26 05:37:50

Ive just received a call from my supplier (Sounds Live, Newcastle, UK) to say my DT50 head is in stock but my JTV89 will not be arriving until the new year.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by pappywatts on 2010-11-26 07:04:19

Yes..... Curious and Curiouser

My account order with Thomann has reverted back to the November 30th date for a JTV69 TSB,

which I interpret it's possible I may receive it before Santa arrives..

.but their statement to all is the first delivery backorders are all spoken for/sold,

and the next expected shipment will be December 17th,

So I can only surmise your reseller is hedging for a New Year date for the 2nd shipment from Thomann

Best of Luck to us all....Great mushroom treatment from Line 6 again...



Re: Expected Release Date???
by rchoueri on 2010-11-26 07:43:11

Like we used to say in the Forces, and this pithy saying goes way back to Viet Nam:

"~Kept under a mushroom a fed a lot of hot steaming bullshit!~"

~Hooah!~

~Airborne!~

~De Oppresso Liber!~

~skygod~



Re: Expected Release Date???
by harmaes on 2010-11-26 08:54:37

Just got an email from a UK dealer which confirmed end of January 2011 for the JTV-69!



Re: Expected Release Date???
by rchoueri on 2010-11-26 09:46:46

Take a ticket and have a seat. There's long lines developing for this barber's chair.

~skygod~

PS.

Bring a sacklunch. This sumbich is a little longer than we anticipated ....

You wanna trade some beef jerky for some raisin bran trail mix?

~skygod~



Re: Expected Release Date???
by johnnyayyy on 2010-11-26 10:18:19

harmaes wrote:

Just got an email from a UK dealer which confirmed end of January 2011 for the JTV-69!

By now most of us have seen the pics of the finished JTVs ready to ship to the USA for final setup. I was thinking last night the release date might be getting pushed back multiple times due to software issues - Neal has already told us his JTV Beta prototype is not working properly with ANY Line 6 VDI equipped device, so maybe they are still tweaking the firmware and/or Workbench end of the product for full compatability. Just a guess



Re: Expected Release Date???
by defkaf on 2010-11-26 14:47:01

Well  now Line-6 has gone and done it!

My wife, sister, and a bunch of nieces has been doing the Black Friday "get up early and stand in line to shop the deals" thing for the last several years. I always stayed home in bed, and swore that I always would.

Well, as they were making their plans to be out at 4:00 AM for the opening of some stores, my wife waved the Guitar Center ad under my nose. 15% off any one item in the store. As we all probably know, the HD500 has been exactly the same price online everywhere, no special deals from anyone.

Well, I checked online, and sure enough, my local GC had them in stock, and they were not on the list of excluded items. Thankfully, they didn't open until 8:00 AM, so I didn't have to join the rush too early.

Sure enough, there I was, standing in line - in the cold - waiting for them to open the doors. Just like I swore I would never do!

Happy ending was, the line was actually only about 25 people and I got there only about two minutes before they opened the doors. So five minutes later I was checking out with a shiny new HD500 for $425.

So Line-6 and the anticipation has turned me into one of those wild-eyed nut jobs you see on TV!

Hello, my name is Don, and I'm a Variax-a-holic... 



Re: Expected Release Date???
by grimm26 on 2010-11-26 15:03:08

I had a similar thing happen when I bought my X3Live a couple years ago.  GC actually sent me a postcard for 20% any one item on black friday.  I had been thinking about maybe trying an X3 Live and that 20% off sealed the deal.  I called a couple of days before and had them set one aside for me



Re: Expected Release Date???
by silverhead on 2010-11-26 15:10:16

defkaf wrote:

........

Hello, my name is Don, and I'm a Variax-a-holic... 

Well, you'll be pleased to know that Line 6 has a 12-step program for that........

1) Buy the HD500 (You're already there!!)

2) Buy a JTV Variax (is yours on order yet?)

3) Buy a DT-50 amp to complete the set of Line6 integrated components.

4) Buy all future model packs for the HD500 (assuming they're coming).

5) Buy Pod Farm HD if and when it is available.

6) ............

well - you get the idea. By the time you reach Step 12 you'll either be cured or broke - either way, no more standing in early morning lineups.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by lachlan123 on 2010-11-26 15:22:56

your forgot the last two steps

???

and

PROFIT



Re: Expected Release Date???
by defkaf on 2010-11-26 22:00:14

2) Buy a JTV Variax (is yours on order yet?)

Yes, that is where this affliction started. I ordered my JTV-59 in Cherry sunburst back around August. As I've followed this thread the anticipation has been building.

Soon to all come to a satisfactory conclusion I hope.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by jtravisiii on 2010-11-27 04:51:54

Where is the pictures section? I am not sure where to look.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by lachlan123 on 2010-11-27 04:52:58

this is the variax flickr account

http://www.flickr.com/photos/variax/



Re: Expected Release Date???
by jtravisiii on 2010-11-27 05:51:34

Thanks -- then I wonder why the guitars are not being delivered, since they look done to me.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by Goocher on 2010-11-27 08:34:52

jtravisiii -- One of the pictures mentioned that the guitars are packed up and shipped to the US for final setup.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by stevejbailey7777 on 2010-11-28 09:47:01

Hi People

Like most of you, I pre-ordered my "59"  way back, have been taking "stick" for being loyal to Line6, and have followed your threads all the way.  Up until now I  have had nothing to say, however, a quote from an email sent by Line 6  to my retailer may be helpful to you.

" ... the problem now is the shipping time from Korea to Europe which take 4 weeks minimum, so even product shipped this week will not arrive in time for Christmas ..."

My retailer asked  if I wanted to proceed with the purchase. Summing up the situation via  the Line6 email and your threads I decided to confirm my order.

Here's why:

At  no point did Line6 announce when our guitars would be ready, though a  small amount of criticism may be due them for lack of "Official"  communication.

Rich Renken told us that he was overseeing production (26 Oct) and to my knowledge we have not heard  from him since. He must too busy to blog, because he has kept us unofficially informed all the while until now.

The photo link sent  by Lachlanc reveals that World Musical Inst.Co. may not have many staff  members and that Rich Renken and his mates are not just overseeing, but  are also working.  That gives me faith in the product. Rich knows what we want and expect of our guitars and will do all he can to ensure we get a quality product, of that I am sure.

During this financial climate I suspect that the Variax guitars are not being so "mass produced" despite automation.  Now that means Line6 are probably giving priority to pre-ordered guitars (they cant afford to have orders cancelled), as this is  guaranteed income. Stock products can hang about in retailers for a long time before yielding profit and tend to yield a very slow "rate of stock turn".

If the guitars have to go to the USA for set up then we can add a few more weeks to the European delivery date.

"Following a recent incident  with an improvised explosive device on a US  bound aircraft, all packages to the  US will be subject to  stricter  screening by US authorities. This could lead to delays in your items  being  delivered to customers in the US."

Personally I would send staff over to Korea, saving on shipping costs for the European market. Not yet though!

"SEOUL is on a high state of alert following the shelling of a South Korean island by North Korean forces".  The Economist Nov 23rd

Last point to consider is how many people have pre-ordered the Variax, because that would give some indication of how long we will have to wait. As for me, well I've always been patient. Having paid for my "59" I'll take the "stick" and hopefully have the last laugh.

Merry Christmas folks



Re: Expected Release Date???
by U2acrobatNL on 2010-11-28 11:38:31

" ... the problem now is the shipping time from Korea to Europe which take 4 weeks minimum, so even product shipped this week will not arrive in time for Christmas ..."

I beg to differ on that one. I have worked for a Japanese company, and our products were manufactured in China. Shipping them to Europe would take 3 weeks maximum; not 4 weeks minimum. Korea is closer to Europe than China is, so I don't see why shipping from Korea would take at least 4 weeks ... you could row them to Europe in that timeframe!

Sending them to the USA first to set them up seems to unnecessarily over-complicate things; leaving aside the cost aspect involved in that. If the products were shipped from Korea in November, there is very good chance the first batch will arrive in European stores before Christmas. But there you have it : the first batch could arrive soon. If your order is not from the first batch, you're going to have to wait until the new year.

All this, of course, is pure speculation. But one thing is for sure: shipping from Korea does not take 4 weeks minimum!



Re: Expected Release Date???
by markcockerill on 2010-11-28 13:03:27

Sending them to the US for what?, so they can put a made in the USA sticker on it and charge 4 times the price? Questionable behaviour for a company to do this and I agree with another postee that sending staff from the US to Korea would have been far cheaper. Considering how L6 have glorified the Korean factory for excellence, surely they can finish the product properly so precisely what is it the americans are going to do to the finished guitars to finish them?

Call me a sceptic but I can't see L6 shipping half way around the world twice, just doesn't make sense.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by grimm26 on 2010-11-28 13:18:37

markcockerill wrote:

Sending them to the US for what?, so they can put a made in the USA sticker on it and charge 4 times the price? Questionable behaviour for a company to do this and I agree with another postee that sending staff from the US to Korea would have been far cheaper. Considering how L6 have glorified the Korean factory for excellence, surely they can finish the product properly so precisely what is it the americans are going to do to the finished guitars to finish them?

Call me a sceptic but I can't see L6 shipping half way around the world twice, just doesn't make sense.

I think the final setup is stringing em up, tuning/intonation, maybe final fret dressing - those are the Korean models, not the USA models.  The USA models are built in the USA.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by U2acrobatNL on 2010-11-28 13:20:58

"(...) stringing em up, tuning/intonation, maybe final fret dressing (...)"

Don't tell me Koreans don't know how to do that. It would save Line 6 quite a few bucks to have this done in Korea.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by ozbadman on 2010-11-28 13:59:47

U2acrobatNL wrote:

"(...) stringing em up, tuning/intonation, maybe final fret dressing (...)"

Don't tell me Koreans don't know how to do that. It would save Line 6 quite a few bucks to have this done in Korea.

I'm sure they can, but you usually don't do these things until final delivery. Sitting in a non-humidified/temperature controlled boat for the weeks to ship to the USA can warp the wood. I think the idea is you don't tighten the strings or the trussrod until you have a more controlled environment. Plus, you can do final check to see if anything did warp while on the ocean blue.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by rchoueri on 2010-11-28 14:23:45

Waiting for these two missing components to get here is just a genuine b i t c h huh?

The natives are getting antsy ... my my ...

~skygod~



Re: Expected Release Date???
by Goocher on 2010-11-28 15:21:42

markcockerill wrote:

Sending them to the US for what?, so they can put a made in the USA sticker on it and charge 4 times the price? Questionable behaviour for a company to do this and I agree with another postee that sending staff from the US to Korea would have been far cheaper. Considering how L6 have glorified the Korean factory for excellence, surely they can finish the product properly so precisely what is it the americans are going to do to the finished guitars to finish them?

Call me a sceptic but I can't see L6 shipping half way around the world twice, just doesn't make sense.

Let's not make a mountain out of a mole hill. We have one small phrase that appeared under one picture on Flickr. They very likely have people contracted in each region to perform final setup. I'm sure UK-bound JTVs will get final setup from a shop in the UK, etc. Those destined for the US and Canada will get final setup in the US. Any other possibility is madness and makes zero business sense. We already know that Line 6 contracts "authorized" service centers in each region.

And the jab about Line 6 jacking up the price "4 times" is a bit over the top. Perhaps you could invent your own modeling technology and stuff it into a guitar. The price Line 6 is asking for the new guitars is beyond reasonable. If you're referring to the "US" models, then your point is moot. The "US" models are manufactured in the US, and the dedidacted JTV blog/site shows a tour of that shop.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by mdmayfield on 2010-11-28 16:12:13

Goocher wrote:

...Those destined for the US and Canada will get final setup in the US. Any other possibility is madness and makes zero business sense. We already know that Line 6 contracts "authorized" service centers in each region.

Exactly: http://www.flickr.com/photos/variax/4460427615/in/set-72157623563020731/



Re: Expected Release Date???
by johnnyayyy on 2010-11-28 18:06:25

mdmayfield wrote:

Goocher wrote:

...Those destined for the US and Canada will get final setup in the US. Any other possibility is madness and makes zero business sense. We already know that Line 6 contracts "authorized" service centers in each region.

Exactly: http://www.flickr.com/photos/variax/4460427615/in/set-72157623563020731/

<a target=new href=http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2701/4460427615_1ba465c408_z.jpg?zz=1" class="jive-image" src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2701/4460427615_1ba465c408_z.jpg?zz=1"/>

James Tyler cutting the nut on a JTV-69 in 3SB.

We used these guitars to make our specification sheets for our set up stations worldwide.


"I like his watch" -Johnnyayyy


Re: Expected Release Date???
by dpickwell19 on 2010-11-29 00:58:19

Well I'm afraid I cancelled mine and won't be buying one in the future, I have owned a Variax 500 and 700 for many years and fited pickups and sustainer to the 500 and pickups to the 700, I have waited and waited with false information/dates and still no idea when they are coming out! my main uses are drop D and Eb tuning, so I brought a strat HSS, fitted bare knuckles, fitted a hipshot xpander for drop D and bought a morpheus droptune for Eb and wow the differents in tone and balls is amazing, my band can't believe the difference, so much so both of my Variax's have been sold on ebay, I'll be buying another Strat (I had good pickups in my modded Variax, still didn't sound as good, perhaps too much wood has gone from thr body with the cavities for the electronics etc) and I now have no Line 6 gear at all (used to have Vetta, different Pods etc)

My point to this is that if these guitars were no where near ready why the hell give dates? All Line 6 have done is give promises they can't keep and can't be bothered to tell the truth, one date missed is acceptable, two not good, but I had 10-15+ and another date chucked in which we all no won't happen. Line 6 tell the truth and if you don't know then say you don't know!!!!

This is my last post ever (now not having any Line 6 gear), but what I can say is I enjoyed my time with Line 6 gear and no doubt the JTV will sound better than the Variax 1, but the smile on my face when I plug my strat into my Mesa Elecra-dyne puts one hell of a smile on my face (so much more than the Variax ever did or could), when I use my Hipshot Xpander to drop D, Fat Bottoms girls has got so much more balls and the Morpheus droptune just sounds so real compared to the Variax when I drop down a semitone.

Good look to you all and I hope santa brings it in time for Christmas, one last point Line 6, how many people have done what I've done, but can't be bothered to tell you? loyalty is a two way street, Tell the truth and people understand Lie or say nothing and people don't want to know...........................



Re: Expected Release Date???
by MartinHines on 2010-11-29 06:26:24

dpickwell19 wrote:

Well I'm afraid I cancelled mine and won't be buying one in the future,

I have waited and waited with false information/dates and still no idea when they are coming out!

My point to this is that if these guitars were no where near ready why the hell give dates? All Line 6 have done is give promises they can't keep and can't be bothered to tell the truth, one date missed is acceptable, two not good, but I had 10-15+ and another date chucked in which we all no won't happen. Line 6 tell the truth and if you don't know then say you don't know!!!!

You thinking is incorrect.  At no time has Line 6 given a DEFINITE delivery date.  They have provided us in the forum with PLANNED dates, nothing more.  They have provided retailers with PLANNED dates.

Sometimes product development does not go as planned.  Some companies will not release any information about a product until it is on the way to stores.  In this case Line 6 provided some inside early information on the JTV development.

Rich Renken has promised to post when they have a definite delivery date.  You should note he has not posted one.

Given your statements you should probably never order any product until it is in the store.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by digiprod on 2010-11-29 06:44:49

To put this in prospective for the rest of us, Line 6 announced no actual ship dates. They merely gave ridiculous, un-reliable, un-meetable and mostly impossible dates to their retailers and distributors that they surely knew would be given to their customers!

This way the retailers can be the fall guy when the ridiculous dates would not be met. Retailers can hype and Line 6 can say nothing. How is it that Line 6 was telling their retailers possible ship dates way back in August-September when they clearly did NOT even have a first production run until November (according to Rich)? I know it was the greedy retailers right?

It is pretty clear to me, that Line 6 has left the retailers dealing with the phony dates and many on this forum are buying it. I have worked in tech my entire adult life and have dealt with product roll outs, slipped dates and yes even vaporware! So I think Line 6 is keeping quite as far as directly, but not to retailers. I do not for one minute believe all the retailers are lying. They are merely telling customers what they are being told.

Of course development of a new product takes time and slips occur, but the JTV guitars and a second generation product, NOT a new one. They surely knew the earlier ship dates were a joke. They probably liked the hype and the loads of pre-orders it created.

Lets not act like we are all naive, Line 6 has screwed big time with these ship dates. I really doubt there will be any significant amount of these guitars shipped until Feb 2011. I bet almost none in December. And yes I am guessing.

Lucky for me I can wait and never expected them before December or January.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by arnegleason on 2010-11-29 07:34:58

I doubt there was any aim of making Retailers the fall guy - just a overly optimistic targets combined with an enthusiasm for their new product that made it hard for some to keep quiet about. If folks are getting in-line six months ahead of time I think Line-6 must be on to something interesting with the JTV  (I mean, pre-ordering a guitar?...really? I did, but I felt like it was an very odd thing to do)



Re: Expected Release Date???
by digiprod on 2010-11-29 07:45:27

"Overly optimistic?" I'd say this is an understatement, in fact I will go further to say optimism may have had less to do with it than you think.

How can there have been dates given to retailers (seems we agree dates WERE given to retailers) talking as early as August - September time frame or earlier, when not one production guitar had been built? Really, you are just too nice. It would probably take a least a month from when the very first production guitar were to be built and enough quantities to be shipped to the US and set-up for sale! We know the first production run was scheduled for November according to Rich, who went to Korea. So now it is December in a few days...

Anyone want in on the pool I suggested a long time ago? Remember I had January 2011 way back then. Would not surprise me if February finally brings any quantity. Let's just hope the quality is there after all the hype and wait.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by Enchilada_Jones on 2010-11-29 08:15:45

I'm just hoping the factory doesn't get hit with N. Korean artillery or the ship that carries them isn't held up or sunk with all the crap going on over there right now. Sure don't want to see a bunch of shiny new Tyler Variaxes floating in the Sea of Japan beside a sinking, freshly torpedoed, freighter on the nightly news!!



Re: Expected Release Date???
by digiprod on 2010-11-29 08:19:14

Please, lets hope not! HAHA



Re: Expected Release Date???
by markcockerill on 2010-11-29 08:37:22

Does anyone know if a variax floats?

If it does float, would the 69 with added whammy capsize?

If it turns out they float, I'll keep my pre order open



Re: Expected Release Date???
by mulvennk on 2010-11-29 09:43:05

Get this: Because my JTV had been on backorder so long, Musician's Friend's "system" automaticall cancelled it - got an e-mail telling me so. When I called to inquire I also re-ordered, and was told not to worry there were only 3 Tobacoo Sunburst JTV59 already ordered. But not only am I paying the $1299.99 but another $69 since it's an "over-sized" order? BS. So if anyone has gotten a better deal, please let me know so I can tell MF what they can do with my current order.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by digiprod on 2010-11-29 11:01:01

I cancelled an order with Muscians Friend a long while ago. Try RMC audio http://www.rmcaudiodirect.com/ you can get 15% off and free shipping. I also heard Guitar Center is doing something similar. Of course no idea when you will actually see these.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by Goocher on 2010-11-29 14:33:07

digiprod wrote:

To put this in prospective for the rest of us, Line 6 announced no actual ship dates. They merely gave ridiculous, un-reliable, un-meetable and mostly impossible dates to their retailers and distributors that they surely knew would be given to their customers!

This way the retailers can be the fall guy when the ridiculous dates would not be met. Retailers can hype and Line 6 can say nothing. How is it that Line 6 was telling their retailers possible ship dates way back in August-September when they clearly did NOT even have a first production run until November (according to Rich)? I know it was the greedy retailers right?

It is pretty clear to me, that Line 6 has left the retailers dealing with the phony dates and many on this forum are buying it. I have worked in tech my entire adult life and have dealt with product roll outs, slipped dates and yes even vaporware! So I think Line 6 is keeping quite as far as directly, but not to retailers. I do not for one minute believe all the retailers are lying. They are merely telling customers what they are being told.

Of course development of a new product takes time and slips occur, but the JTV guitars and a second generation product, NOT a new one. They surely knew the earlier ship dates were a joke. They probably liked the hype and the loads of pre-orders it created.

Lets not act like we are all naive, Line 6 has screwed big time with these ship dates. I really doubt there will be any significant amount of these guitars shipped until Feb 2011. I bet almost none in December. And yes I am guessing.

Lucky for me I can wait and never expected them before December or January.

You have as much chance at being correct as anyone else with a wild guess. The only salient observation you've made is that Line 6 messed up with the shipping dates, and that is self-evident by now anyway. I don't care how long you've worked in the field, you don't know jack about why any of this happened. You're right, at best you're guessing.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by digiprod on 2010-11-29 14:55:49

Correct, I guessed and even said so and "do not know jack" about what happened, EXCEPT what I heard from the two retailers I spoke to numerous times were I have two pre-orders. I think that Line 6 was telling retailers to expect a August - September ship date without EVEN having ONE production guitar until November was a bit blowing it. Why do I believe that? Because that is what I was told over and over again as many others were by their retailers. I guess my GUESS was a pretty good one based on what we all saw!



Re: Expected Release Date???
by dpickwell19 on 2010-11-30 00:08:51

Maybe rather than blaming me and say I should ever buy anything before it's out, how about line 6 should make sure it's product is ready before they market it? look at all the videos out saying buy me? When I cancelled my order the shop rang Line 6 and they told them (on speakerphone) they would have their order on the 30th Nov (my guitar today) this was 6 weeks ago and I brought my strat instead I had waited so long and I didn't believe them either (Line 6 not the store) I've looked at the shop's website this morning only to find the date is now 30 Jan 2011!!!!! (so glad I brought the Strat!!)

Listen wether you agree with me or not doesn't matter, the fact is this company is lying, the guitar is built, it's all over you tube (unless they've found huge bugs in the software and aren't letting on). to give dates and no explanation is poor to say the least, ask any retailer why it keeps getting delayed, none have any idea.

Anyway back to my beautiful strat, real mesa amp, real effects and my Palmer PD-03 for direct to PA or recording, Line 6 are good, but no where near this good and I should know I use to own them all......................................



Re: Expected Release Date???
by Sampo72 on 2010-11-30 03:52:57

Long time lurker, first time poster here (Hi everybody!!)

This is getting really frustrating -- I ordered and paid CAR '69 2½ months ago from Thomann. As per last weeks inquiry ETA of shipment is today. My account still says it's today, but product page says "available at short notice (usually 2-5 days)". Most of the other models are labeled either "shipment due to arrive on 17.12.2010" or "shipment due to arrive on 20.01.2011"

Steve Gray from guitarguitar.co.uk says "January delivery. We just got informed this morning. They are in production and will ship on the 11th of December from Korea. That means a January delivery into the UK." here http://www.hugeracksinc.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=72541#p713440

I am really disapointed at Line6's silence on this, I know there are many others who has prepaid their Variaxes. 

Message was edited by: Sampo72



Re: Expected Release Date???
by Goocher on 2010-11-30 05:49:10

dpickwell19 wrote:

...how about line 6 should make sure it's product is ready before they market it? look at all the videos out saying buy me?

All companies market their products before they're ready to ship.  Every damn one.  A child could adequately explain why, so I won't bother.

dpickwell19 wrote:

When I cancelled my order the shop rang Line 6 and they told them (on speakerphone) they would have their order on the 30th Nov (my guitar today) this was 6 weeks ago and I brought my strat instead...

Perhaps Line 6 believed it would be ready at a much earlier date?  Certainly, that is within the realm of possibilities.  I don't know a single company that enjoys pissing off (i.e. losing) customers.  So, I'll go with this more reasonable explanation.  Another possibility is that this is all Fender's fault.  They conspired to delay the JTV so that you would get mad and buy a Strat instead.  I think the most likely explanation is: aliens.

dpickwell19 wrote:

Listen wether you agree with me or not doesn't matter, the fact is this company is lying, the guitar is built, it's all over you tube...

All of the guitars you've seen on YouTube (e.g. from NAMM and other conferences), as well as the handful of "studio" demos you've seen, are prototypes or "beta" JTVs.  They did not come from any production run.

dpickwell19 wrote:

...ask any retailer why it keeps getting delayed, none have any idea.

That's standard protocol.  The retailers make a healthy cut from the sale of equipment made by the more populate manufacturers.  They have no intention of betraying Line 6 when the release of a nascient product is moved because of odd manufacturing delays.  The more dependencies a company has in the manufacturing chain, the more delays are possible.  White iPhone 4, anyone?

dpickwell19 wrote:

Anyway back to my beautiful strat, real mesa amp, real effects and my Palmer PD-03 for direct to PA or recording, Line 6 are good, but no where near this good and I should know I use to own them all......................................

Rant duly noted.

I love Strats, so good luck with your Strat.

Message was edited by Goocher for more clarity in a couple places.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by sparkyERTW on 2010-11-30 06:04:36

Goocher wrote:

I think the most likely explanation is: aliens.

The likely culprits in my mind came down to a close tie between pirates and ninjas.  However, alien involvement is also a suitable hypothesis, as is mole people.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by Goocher on 2010-11-30 06:10:41

sparkyERTW wrote:

Goocher wrote:

I think the most likely explanation is: aliens.

The likely culprits in my mind came down to a close tie between pirates and ninjas.  However, alien involvement is also a suitable hypothesis, as is mole people.

LOL at work!



Re: Expected Release Date???
by rchoueri on 2010-11-30 06:11:21

RE:

357. Nov 30, 2010 9:04 AM in response to: Goocher

Re: Expected Release Date???

Goocher wrote:

I think the most likely explanation is: aliens.

The likely culprits in my mind came down to a close tie between pirates and ninjas.  However, alien involvement is also a suitable hypothesis, as is mole people.

Easy guys -

You are unwittingly referring to the Obama Administration at the top in cahoots with the unions at the bottom.

Top down, bottom up, chaos in the middle ... aka you joe sixpack taxpaying citizen ... aka The Damned!

Big brother is watching you!

~skygod~.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by dpickwell19 on 2010-11-30 06:12:22

Wow!!!! Do you work for line 6?!!?? What have I done wong? nothing, I paid my money and waited and waited and no idea whats going on and what's more nor do you, otherwise this huge thread wouldn't exsist for so long and you wouldn't be here. I put up my thoughts after what I believed to be poor service, and thought Line 6 might see it and take a bit on board, Not to be made out like I'm some sort of idiot!!!! Why are you taking it so personally? Anyway I'm out of here for good.................................Bye



Re: Expected Release Date???
by digiprod on 2010-11-30 06:13:58

"All companies market their products before they're ready to ship.  Every damn one.  A child could adequately explain why, so I won't bother."

NOPE! Apple doesn't, Sony doesn't... They ONLY show and market products with an actual SHIP date that they meet within reason!!!! Months and months, missed and missed again does not qualify.

"Perhaps Line 6 believed it would be ready at a much earlier date?"

NOPE! They were giving ship dates to their retailers as early as August - September or earlier (some claimed June and July) when they did NOT have even ONE production guitar built in Korea, that would surely take 3 or 4 weeks at least to be available to be sold if not longer! NOT every retailer is a liar, the info they are being given from Line 6 is what they base these announcements on.

"All of the guitars you've seen on YouTube (e.g. from NAMM and other conferences), as well as the handful of "studio" demos you've seen, are prototypes or "beta" JTVs.  They did not come from any production run."

CORRECT! NOT ONE PRODUCTION RUN! Rich told us on this forum that he was going to Korea in November for FIRST one! So how can Line 6 tell dealers anything even close to accurate before that? When Rich told us the FIRST production run was maybe in November, it was quite easy to see that January might be the earliest we would see any.

"That's standard protocol.  The retailers make a healthy cut from the sale of equipment made by the more populate manufacturers.  They have no intention of betraying Line 6 when the release of a nascient product is moved because of odd manufacturing delays.  The more dependencies a company has in the manufacturing chain, the more delays are possible.  White iPhone 4, anyone?"

NO IT IS NOT! Apple announced the iPhone each time and made the delivery date each time. ONLY the white iPhone was nixed due to technical issues, BUT guess what the black ones were being sold on time and in the millions! Line 6 did not say, "we do not have Blue JTV-69s, they have NONE!


Just maybe it would be helpful to STOP making excuses for Line 6 on this issue! They screwed up big time and that is that! Claiming ALL other companies do this is not an excuse or even remotely correct. Many other companies with competitors would get killed if they did this.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by johnsymonds on 2010-11-30 06:20:06

I called SoundAffects today, chasing delivery of my JTV69 - Same answer January.

First batch going to the US....... Bummer!



Re: Expected Release Date???
by digiprod on 2010-11-30 06:28:20

I am being told late January and I am in the US and have had long standing pre-orders with two different dealers. each month it got pushed back another month despite the fact that Line 6 did not (as we know now) even have one production run to this month (maybe)!

Guess, Line 6 thought they would ship in June, July, August, September, October and November without having built even one production guitar in Korea! BUT maybe they thought they could sell them without having actually built them yet! HAHA



Re: Expected Release Date???
by rchoueri on 2010-11-30 06:32:09
RE: Nov 30, 2010
Re: Expected Release Date???

Wow!!!! Do you work for line 6?!!?? What have I done wong? nothing, I paid my money and waited and waited and no idea whats going on and what's more nor do you, otherwise this huge thread wouldn't exsist for so long and you wouldn't be here. I put up my thoughts after what I believed to be poor service, and thought Line 6 might see it and take a bit on board, Not to be made out like I'm some sort of idiot!!!! Why are you taking it so personally? Anyway I'm out of here for good.................................Bye

DAT DA   DONDONDON  DADADADA DA DA DAAAAAAA

here's the full score: http://www.greatscores.com/p/song/songname/Another_One_Bites_The_Dust/sheetmusic/1019537

~skygod~



Re: Expected Release Date???
by digiprod on 2010-11-30 06:40:44

@dpickwell19

Unfortunately, it is the nature of these types of forums for fanboism. Some love to defend their favorite product or company, no matter what! Don't dare criticize. You see this on the Apple forums, Microsoft forums, etc.

I love many of Line 6 products, but to defend their handling of the JTV and all the mis-information on shipments is ridiculous. All Line 6 would have to do is read their own forum and respond! So far they are mostly silent (except for Rich).

You are NO IDIOT. You just seem like a logical honest person who wanted to spend his hard-earned money in the middle of a huge recession on a product that looks promising. You actually expected to get some "real" information...



Re: Expected Release Date???
by thegreatoz on 2010-11-30 07:18:21

digiprod wrote:

All Line 6 would have to do is read their own forum and respond! So far they are mostly silent (except for Rich).

Ah but as the so-called "customer advocate", as far as these forums are concerned, Rich IS Line 6. While it is true that for a long time Rich was a regular and helpful presence on these forums he has been effectively MIA here for some time. At this point, if nothing else, it would be nice to know we have an advocate at Line 6 but at the moment I'n not feeling the love!

I've had a JTV-69 pre-ordered since July and I really would rather have the guitar be right than right now, I don't mind the wait nearly so much as I mind the "mushroom treatment" Line 6 is giving us. Line 6 has made a big deal of getting users involved in "the process", they are long overdue for a direct, honest statement concerning the status of the JTV.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by digiprod on 2010-11-30 07:27:23

You are quite right. I surely think Line 6 has more than ONE employee that can read and respond to their OWN forum!



Re: Expected Release Date???
by Goocher on 2010-11-30 07:33:13

digiprod wrote:

"All companies market their products before they're ready to ship.  Every damn one.  A child could adequately explain why, so I won't bother."

NOPE! Apple doesn't, Sony doesn't... They ONLY show and market products with an actual SHIP date that they meet within reason!!!! Months and months, missed and missed again does not qualify.

The companies you named have announced products that later experienced delays related to manufacturing, shortage of materials, etc.  With Apple, it seems to happen every year.  They can target a release date, but if a problem arises of any kind, it is possible that the date will be pushed back.

Not too long ago, I preordered a white EVH Wolfgang right after the new EVH/Fender-collab Wolfgang was announced.  The wait was long.  I eventually canceled the order and decided to get a PRS Mira.  But I didn't infer ridiculous sh*t about why the guitar was delayed, as if I had special knowledge.

Here's what I saw recently: pictures of Line 6 personnel traveling to Korea to (finally) get the JTV out the door.  Why was it delayed?  Do you know?  Of course not.  For all you know, the delays hit them by surprise.  Or, maybe they knew all along and deceived us all into pre-ordering so that we could all become digruntled former customers.  Sounds like a great business plan.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by Goocher on 2010-11-30 07:35:50

digiprod wrote:

You are quite right. I surely think Line 6 has more than ONE employee that can read and respond to their OWN forum!

No, it's aliens.  Get it right.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by U2acrobatNL on 2010-11-30 07:37:45

Right I have just learned from my UK dealer that they "have just learned in the last couple of days that all the guitars that have been built are to go to USA as "it's a shorter shipping time" being 11 days to USA from Korea rather than 4 weeks to the UK. The UK will then get the first batch in January. Its very disappointing as we had been promised them for this year."

Now I vividly remember asking Line 6 that very question on their Variax Facebook page. In fact here's what I literally asked on 21st september :

"With regards to shipment; I'm sure they'll see they light of day soon. But will it be a worldwide release or will they first hit the US of A, with ROW to follow a few months later?"

Variax answer on 22nd september :

"We are going to spread the love around as much as possible right out of the gate. Definitely not just the US at launch."

Here's the link :

http://www.facebook.com/variaxguitars

I can understand delays in development and manufacturing, but now we have a situation that the guitars are built and Line 6 decide to ship them only to the US, whereas 2 months ago the answer was that they will be sent all over : "Definitely not just the US at launch".

I don't need the guitar right now and I'll happily wait for January but breaking a clear promise, made in writing, is not very ethical.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by sparkyERTW on 2010-11-30 07:46:39

digiprod wrote:

You are quite right. I surely think Line 6 has more than ONE employee that can read and respond to their OWN forum!

It's not unusual for a single person to act as representative for a product/initiative; it stops the potential for conflicting information. Look at how much confusion the different dates from retailers is causing.  However, this is all the more reason for Rich - and only Rich - to step in and again remind everyone that no date has been given yet by Line 6.

Part of the problem is Rich seems to be having to act as both PR rep and product manager... and from the look of the pictures, assembly worker as well.  But that's the nature of smaller teams I suppose, having to juggle multiple roles.  Still, as I said, I think Rich really needs to get back in here.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by thegreatoz on 2010-11-30 07:56:38

U2acrobatNL wrote:

Right I have just learned from my UK dealer that they "have just learned in the last couple of days that all the guitars that have been built are to go to USA as "it's a shorter shipping time" being 11 days to USA from Korea rather than 4 weeks to the UK. The UK will then get the first batch in January.

While I live in the US and don't want to wait any longer than necessary for my guitar if these shipping times are accurate it would seem that it might make more sense to send the first batch to the UK/EU. It would seem that with a second production run shortly after the first, with the differing shipping times you might actually get nearly world wide availability all at once. Still, possible they have massively greater pre-orders in the US and decided to go with the numbers, who knows.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by Goocher on 2010-11-30 07:58:45

U2acrobatNL wrote:

Right I have just learned from my UK dealer that they "have just learned in the last couple of days that all the guitars that have been built are to go to USA as "it's a shorter shipping time" being 11 days to USA from Korea rather than 4 weeks to the UK. The UK will then get the first batch in January. Its very disappointing as we had been promised them for this year."

Now I vividly remember asking Line 6 that very question on their Variax Facebook page. In fact here's what I literally asked on 21st september :

"With regards to shipment; I'm sure they'll see they light of day soon. But will it be a worldwide release or will they first hit the US of A, with ROW to follow a few months later?"

Variax answer on 22nd september :

"We are going to spread the love around as much as possible right out of the gate. Definitely not just the US at launch."

Here's the link :

http://www.facebook.com/variaxguitars

I can understand delays in development and manufacturing, but now we have a situation that the guitars are built and Line 6 decide to ship them only to the US, whereas 2 months ago the answer was that they will be sent all over : "Definitely not just the US at launch".

I don't need the guitar right now and I'll happily wait for January but breaking a clear promise, made in writing, is not very ethical.

Where are you getting "Line 6 decide to ship them only to the US?"  Just because some of the Korean-made guitars will be sent to the US for final setup?  It's common knowledge that Line 6 has service centers contracted to do "authorized" work in every region where they sell their products.  E.g. UK-bound guitars will be get final setup in the UK, etc.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by digiprod on 2010-11-30 08:00:24

I regard to Apple, I disagree as they have not had a significant delay in any product that they announced in many years. I am an Apple Consultant. The only one you can mention was the white iPhone, which may never appear, but the black ones were on time are selling in the millions. As I mentioned Line 6 was not short a color, they had NO product to sell at all. Apple has not marketed and previewed a product that they did not deliver. In fact they usually preview the product and it is available that day or within the week. Except with the iPhone as it needs to go thru FCC before it is sold and Apple knows that it would leak to the public if they do not show it before the FCC approves.

Sony has not done what Line 6 has done either. The companies I mentioned rarely miss release dates by any big margin. If they did their "competitors" would have a big advantage and their customers might stop buying the current model to wait for the new one!

I mentioned Apple specifically, as the other guy in this forum said Apple markets and announce ship dates all the time and miss them to excuse Line 6 doing it. EXcept in Apple's case it is NOT true! In Apple tradition, they give a special media event, show and announce the new product and it is available right on that day or a short time later.

Of course companies can target a date and unforseen circumstances could delay it. It is a real stretch to apply this to the JTV and Line 6 as the ship dates they were telling dealers that they certainly knew were being told to customers were before even ONE production guitar was built! We all know the lead time for building guitars in Korea in any decent quantity that need to be boxed and shipped by boat and setup in the US to go to distributors and then dealers takes weeks at the very least. If Line 6 does not know this then it is time to hire someone with supply-side experience fast! There was no chance these guitars were being shipped in June to November time frame without ONE production guitar was even finished!

Either Line 6 did this on purpose to line up pre-orders or they screwed the entire thing up! BUT, no communicating it to loyal customers is were I fault them, not the delay. IF Line 6 had a "competitor" selling a similar product (they really do not) I bet it would be a bit different.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by U2acrobatNL on 2010-11-30 08:02:24

I'm not getting anything - my dealer tells me that that is what Line 6 told them. Maybe you are mis-reading my post. The guitars are not going to the US, and then to the UK ... they are the sending the full first batch to the US to be sold there. The second produced batch will go straight to UK/EU but will not arrive before January.

My dealer added "Its very disappointing as we had been promised them for this year. Its even worse that the guitars have actually been built bit are going somewhere else."



Re: Expected Release Date???
by digiprod on 2010-11-30 08:02:26

Sorry, nice try. In most companies there is a Marketing department and a PR department that decide on what is told to customers and dealers, NOIT ONE GUY!

The ONE GUY, you mentioned is Rich and he seems a bit busy right now!



Re: Expected Release Date???
by Goocher on 2010-11-30 08:03:54

thegreatoz wrote:

U2acrobatNL wrote:

Right I have just learned from my UK dealer that they "have just learned in the last couple of days that all the guitars that have been built are to go to USA as "it's a shorter shipping time" being 11 days to USA from Korea rather than 4 weeks to the UK. The UK will then get the first batch in January.

While I live in the US and don't want to wait any longer than necessary for my guitar if these shipping times are accurate it would seem that it might make more sense to send the first batch to the UK/EU. It would seem that with a second production run shortly after the first, with the differing shipping times you might actually get nearly world wide availability all at once. Still, possible they have massively greater pre-orders in the US and decided to go with the numbers, who knows.

That's the impression I've gotten.  For example, what about Korea-bound guitars?  They're not going to be shipped to the US for final setup.  Etc.  Neither will guitars headed for Europe.  It's probably handled by the "authorized" service centers.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by digiprod on 2010-11-30 08:07:46

The information for the setup being done in the US is coming from Line 6 Flickr site. No one of course has ANY idea if this correct or not, as Line 6 is mute and Rich may be still eating Kimchi.

Rich better never leave Line 6 as he is the ONLY spokesman, demo person and he is even in Korea building the guitars! HAHA Nice job Line 6, the entire release is now thought to be handled by ONE guy!



Re: Expected Release Date???
by U2acrobatNL on 2010-11-30 08:08:16

The end result is still that contrast to what Line 6 stated in writing 2 months ago (the Variax page is an official Line 6 channel), they have clearly decided to favour the US.

I repeat Line 6 statement on 22nd september : "Definitely not just US at launch".

I repeat today's statement : "all the guitars that have ben built are to go to USA as "its a shorter shipping time" being 11 days to USA from Korea rather than 4 weeks to the UK. The UK will then get the first batch in January."

There's no talking that right.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by thegreatoz on 2010-11-30 08:10:38

digiprod wrote:

IF Line 6 had a "competitor" selling a similar product (they really do not) I bet it would be a bit different.

This is the real sticking point! If there were any real alternative to the JTV I would be giving reluctant but serious consideration to canceling my order.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by sparkyERTW on 2010-11-30 08:17:11

digiprod wrote:

Sorry, nice try. In most companies there is a Marketing department and a PR department that decide on what is told to customers and dealers, NOIT ONE GUY!

I had a rebuttal, but the stupid forum screwed up... and I'm not typing it all out again.

(I didn't write just to say that... this post was initially blank, and it's not like I can delete it).



Re: Expected Release Date???
by digiprod on 2010-11-30 08:18:48

EXACTLY, I feel the same way. BUT I have to say that if the two guitars I pre-ordered do not show up soon, I will cancel. I will than wait to play one in a store to see if the build quality and my need is still there. I am afraid that the delay and bad communication could be the tip of an iceberg.

I sold my Pod XT Live to buy the HD500 and I was not happy with the HD500 and returned it. Not really that interested in the DT50 as I own a few tube amps I like. I still own a bunch of Line 6 products so I will wait a bit longer.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by Goocher on 2010-11-30 08:21:38

digiprod wrote:

In Apple tradition, they give a special media event, show and announce the new product and it is available right on that day or a short time later.

  1. Original iPhone: announced Jan '07.  Finally available in-hand (in the US) in June '07.
  2. Apple TV: revealed at press conference late '06, officially announced it in early Jan '07 for pre-orders, and finally available in-hand late March '07.
  3. iPad.  announced in Jan '10, finally available in-hand April '10.
  4. etc.

In some cases, further delays were the result of manufacturing hurdles, e.g. white iPhone 4.

I'm just saying we don't know jack about the "reasons" behind Line 6's delays, nor whether there was a nefarious plot to deceive customers, which is the impression a couple people on here (you included) seem to be making.  "They knew it, and they deceived us."  And now you're mad at Line 6, and the other guy decided to give up on Line 6 altogether.  That sounds like an dumb business plan on Line 6's part... or... maybe... there's more to the story, and some people have decided to give them a little slack.

Obviously, Apple is way bigger than Line 6.  Apple can hit some kind of target blinded and with both legs and one arm tied behind its back.  I doubt Line 6 is  1/100 the size of Apple.  In fact, I've gotten the distinct impression that the JTV team is pretty small.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by digiprod on 2010-11-30 08:29:13

Most all the Apple products you mentioned were shown and met their target dates that Apple mentioned! The iPhone was a preview, not a product release same with Apple TV. These previews were shown in order to get support from carriers and TV networks. Apple made the targets with good quantities. Also notice the ones you mentioned were 5 years ago. Sure Apple is huge and has a great supply channel, no comparison.

I understand delays. What we are looking for is accurate information, something, not a mute company that says nothing on their OWN forums!

I think waiting for months and months without any accurate information from Line 6 at all IS giving them plenty of slack! HAHA



Re: Expected Release Date???
by Goocher on 2010-11-30 08:29:35

U2acrobatNL wrote:

I'm not getting anything - my dealer tells me that that is what Line 6 told them. Maybe you are mis-reading my post. The guitars are not going to the US, and then to the UK ... they are the sending the full first batch to the US to be sold there. The second produced batch will go straight to UK/EU but will not arrive before January.

My dealer added "Its very disappointing as we had been promised them for this year. Its even worse that the guitars have actually been built bit are going somewhere else."

Gotcha.  I did misread it.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by sparkyERTW on 2010-11-30 08:29:57

digiprod wrote:

EXACTLY, I feel the same way. BUT I have to say that if the two guitars I pre-ordered do not show up soon, I will cancel.

If one is a JTV-69 3-tone sunburst, please make that the one you cancel (sorry, I know you're upset, but I couldn't resist)

I will than wait to play one in a store to see if the build quality and my need is still there. I am afraid that the delay and bad communication could be the tip of an iceberg.

Yeah... I'm kinda nervous about that too.  Given that the physical build of the guitars look alright from the pictures, that leaves the Variax hardware/firmware.  The last thing I want is a Variax that keeps running into the equivalent of a BSOD/Guru Meditation



Re: Expected Release Date???
by thegreatoz on 2010-11-30 08:37:09

digiprod wrote:


I sold my Pod XT Live to buy the HD500 and I was not happy with the HD500 and returned it.

I've had my HD500 for about a week and so far I'm lovin' it though a HUGE selling point for me was it's integration with the JTV. The vids and sound clips I've seen of the DT50 make it look like a truly amazing amp and combined with the HD500 and a JTV an awe inspiring system but it's more than I need. My only remaining tube amps live in the back of the closet, these days I run direct into the PA.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by MartinHines on 2010-11-30 08:44:05

Is is not safe to say that EVERY PERSON posting here owns at least one electric guitar?

From some of the angry posts here one would think Line 6 is stopping many of you from making music.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by defkaf on 2010-11-30 08:51:54

I've got to chime in here on this. Yes Line-6 gave initial shipping dates I believe they thought they could meet, maybe they were being intentionally optimistic, maybe not. The fact that production in Korea didn't begin until November doesn't mean that they lied. The plant in Korea is a production facility. They are not going to stop a production run on another producr to re-tool for the JTV until they have every nut, screw, piece of wood, fret wire, tuning machine, and electronics in hand. To do so will leave their workers sitting around twiddling their thumbs instead of producing a product.

If, when Line-6 orders all of their parts and suppliers A through Z all tell them they will deliver their nut, screw, fret wire, etc by June 15, then Line-6 will plan on starting production on July 1st (hypothetical example only). Now if supplier M doesn't get their particular widget into the factory until September, guess what - production did not start in July as expected. We were told on this forum months ago that there were supplier delays. We don't know who they were, maybe even Line-6 was delayed with chips, or software or whatever. Doesn't matter, there were unanticipated delays.

The point is, just because production didn't start until November doesn't mean that it wasn't initially scheduled for months before that and that Line-6 lied.The anger and accusations about that point are unfounded at this time.

I am no fan-boy. The JTV is the first peice of Line-6 gear I ever put money on. I bought the HD500 last Friday to pair with the JTV when it comes. Sure, I'd like to hear from Rich or someone with an update, but I do feel the need to defend them on this point.

Rock on (with whatever gear you're currently using),

Don



Re: Expected Release Date???
by variaxlover on 2010-11-30 08:59:11

Of course there are other alternatives to the JTV.  For one, the RackVax, which lets you turn ANY guitar into a Variax.  And if you use a Gibson Robot guitar you get 18 alternate tunings right on the guitar.  The newest version of the Robot (Dark Fire, Dusk Tiger and the new Les Paul Standard 2010 Limited) have much faster tuning than the original Robots.  Some combinations of these can be bought for much less than the projected price of a JTV USA -- and you get to play a Gibson.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by jdenkevitz on 2010-11-30 08:59:56

Exactly.


I dont understand the vitriol some have over perceived delays. Line 6 never came out with an official hard release date. They threw out some targets that they were hoping for, but were clear from the start nothing was in stone.

I would MUCH rather have delays, than get a buggy product (ie what happened with the initial release of the pod x3 live- it was basically a beta product). If waiting a few more months means that once I get the product I wont need to visit these forums, thats good. Id rather be making music than worrying about some weird buggy hardware/software issue (and there have been a few with the original variaxs - from shoddy piezo's to buggy knobs that would switch models if left in a certain position (lester) for too long - to weird artifacts when pitch shifting on certain models, etc.)

Of course it also could have NOTHING to do with an issue/fault with the product itself, and be more related to other issues like transportation/manufacturing delays.

Been waiting about 36 months for this thing, I dont mind a few more at this point.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by meistsf on 2010-11-30 09:07:39

My Sweetwater rep called and said I would have to wait until January.  I ordered my sunburst 69 in mid July.  I am disappointed that I don't have it, but I am willing to wait.  It is a bit like being put on hold for tech support on your computer.  Gosh, I was number xxx in the cue and if I hang up now I will have to go back to the end of the line!

My anxiety is somewhat driven by the need for mag pickups so I don't have to set up as much S**t when I want to practice or rehearse, and the need for more robust Piezo pickups that don't die when the humidity level is high and we are playing outside (as mentioned a long while ago, I keep a hair dryer with me at all times so that before a gig (or even during one) if I have a string go dead on me, I wand the hair dryer over the piezos to bring them back to life).  I look forward to reducing my amount of support equipment I haul to jobs.

Here's to hoping the N Koreans don't nuke the factory (or anything else).

SFM



Re: Expected Release Date???
by digiprod on 2010-11-30 09:08:26

Which ship date are you talking about the June, July, August, September, October, November, December or the January one? Or will it be the February one they will give next since some dealers were told Jan 30, 2011?

We do agree that the lead time from actually building enough production guitars for a shipment to get to a dealers is probably at least on the low side 4 weeks? So which ship date were they NOT lying or wrong about? As Maxwell Smart used to say "I missed by that much" HAHA

"The point is, just because production didn't start until November doesn't mean that it wasn't initially scheduled for months before that and that Line-6 lied.The anger and accusations about that point are unfounded at this time."

So when did they know they would NOT make the date? Or better yet when did they tell their customers and dealers ANY accurate information? Oh yeah, NEVER! HAHA



Re: Expected Release Date???
by Goocher on 2010-11-30 09:15:26

digiprod wrote:

Which ship date are you talking about the June, July, August, September, October, November, December or the January one? Or will it be the February one they will give next since some dealers were told Jan 30, 2011?

We do agree that the lead time from actually building enough production guitars for a shipment to get to a dealers is probably at least on the low side 4 weeks? So which ship date were they NOT lying or wrong about? As Maxwell Smart used to say "I missed by that much" HAHA

"The point is, just because production didn't start until November doesn't mean that it wasn't initially scheduled for months before that and that Line-6 lied.The anger and accusations about that point are unfounded at this time."

So when did they know they would NOT make the date? Or better yet when did they tell their customers and dealers ANY accurate information? Oh yeah, NEVER! HAHA

As a software weenie, I can say with confidence that I have stated (as have others) many times during my programming career that something would be done on A, but unforeseen complications made it impossible to complete until H.  And, all along the way, I/we honestly believed the solution was just around the corner... not because of  wishful thinking, but because all evidence pointed in that direction.  It happens.  And my example is all in-house.  Throw in external dependencies, and things can get sticky.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by digiprod on 2010-11-30 09:22:45

OK, I get it, but maybe you want to read this again;

"We do agree that the lead time from actually building enough production guitars for a shipment to get to a dealers is probably at least on the low side 4 weeks?"

The Line 6 silence is deafening! So I TOTALLY understand things happen! Excuses are like a-holes everyone has one. BUT no communication directly to customers causes this. This is Line 6's fault for NOT announcing ANY useful information.

Do you work for Line 6? I don't!



Re: Expected Release Date???
by Goocher on 2010-11-30 09:29:47

digiprod wrote:

OK, I get it, but maybe you want to read this again;

"We do agree that the lead time from actually building enough production guitars for a shipment to get to a dealers is probably at least on the low side 4 weeks?"

The Line 6 silence is deafening! So I TOTALLY understand things happen! Excuses are like a-holes everyone has one. BUT no communication directly to customers causes this. This is Line 6's fault for NOT announcing ANY useful information.

Do you work for Line 6? I don't!

How would you have handled it?



Re: Expected Release Date???
by thegreatoz on 2010-11-30 09:35:00

variaxlover wrote:

Of course there are other alternatives to the JTV.

You'll note that I said REAL alternatives. The RackVax has the guts from the old Variax, technology that is eight years old, if I wanted that I'd buy a 700, which I think is actually a better looking guitar than any of the new ones. I stopped by ebay over the weekend to check out the prices on 700s but I can't bring myself to buy technology that old when the new stuff is, hopefully, just around the corner. As for playing a Gibson, I've owned several, they make nice guitars but, for me, not worth the added cost today, I've read a bit about the Robot guitars and again, NOT a real alternative  to the new Vax as far as i can see.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by TheRealZap on 2010-11-30 09:36:26

digiprod wrote:


The Line 6 silence is deafening! So I TOTALLY understand things happen! Excuses are like a-holes everyone has one. BUT no communication directly to customers causes this. This is Line 6's fault for NOT announcing ANY useful information.

perhaps the fact that they weren't silent enough initially is the problem...

if they had never mentioned any dates... they'd be here when they got here...

i'm as anxious as anyone...

but p*ssing and moaning doesn't solve anything....

if you need to cancel the pre-order... go for it...  buy them when they come out...

that's the soonest you'll get one anyway... preorder or no preorder.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by digiprod on 2010-11-30 09:47:54

I would like to point out that I said at least 4 weeks for delivery to dealers from the first production run. But the number is probably too short. Rich claimed early November was first production run and Line 6 is telling dealers Jan 30. Which I will bet you they may miss! That would be 6 - 8 weeks from production to dealers. So why tell dealers a ship date until the at least the FIRST production run was well on the way?

I do not work for Line 6 and if they want to hire me I think I could have done a better job as the issue is mostly communication directly to customers. Which they have done almost NONE!

Seems easier than you might think. Preview the guitar (they got that right) and then communicate a more accurate ship date directly on their own website and forums when the first production run is complete and ready to ship. Sure better than blowing smoke up the dealers butts!

The bottom line is as much as some others claim there is competition, there really is none. Line 6 has a niche with the Variax so they are free to not worry about loss of sales to competitors. Let's remember it is a niche, as many more electric guitars are sold everyday without this technology to many happy customers.

The other guy claimed the RackVariax as competition? Imagine and OLD Variax that you will have pay $1200 to take apart to put in a rack is mentioned as competition to a NEW second generation JTV variax? HAHA REALLY? All so you can re-use your OLD Variax with another guitar? Only be with it if Line 6 offered a product like this at a reasonable price. I would not hold your breath on that to happen.

As far as I can see is the only real competitor was the Fender VG Strat which is discontinued. I own one and it is OK, but certainly no competitor to the Variax. Maybe Roland is a competitor. The other guitars he mentioned are not direct competitors to Line 6. Unless you thing a Gibson Les Paul or an Epiphone electric guitar is a competitor?

Is a VW bug a competitor to a Ferrari? Only id basic transportation is what you are after. Of course we can make music with harmonica, but does it compete with a Variax?



Re: Expected Release Date???
by variaxlover on 2010-11-30 09:51:46

I guess we have different understandings of the meaning of the word "real".  To me, "real" is something I can hold in my hands (like my Dark Fire or 2010 Limited) or mount in my rack (like my RackVax).  In other words, something that's available today.  Your meaning apparently adds things that are promised to ship in the future, like the JTV.

The only thing I might be "missing" are the new and improved modeling features, which I still have not heard.  Meanwhile I get all the great Variax sounds I need and get to play a very high quality, USA-built Gibson every night, with Burstbucker 3 and P90H pickups, piezos in the bridge and fast robotic tuning.  I am extremely satisfied with my setup; hopefully you'll be satisfied too, if and when you ever get yours.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by digiprod on 2010-11-30 09:53:28

The point can be made that they were NOT silent as they wanted to build lots of added hype and pre-orders! Knowing of course full well that any of the ship dates they gave dealers was total nonsense. Then guys on their forums can say "well Line 6 never announced actual dates."

Sure lets not talk about being upset as we have waited months and STILL have no information on the company's OWN forum. I will complain to my landscaper instead! HAHA

Just maybe, someone from Line 6 would read this and have an answer!



Re: Expected Release Date???
by digiprod on 2010-11-30 09:57:14

The Gibson you have is probably a beautiful guitar. I own two Les Pauls and several other Gibson guitars myself.

But these are not direct competitors to Variax. They are NOT better or worse, just different! Most of us own many other guitars as well as older Variaxes.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by thegreatoz on 2010-11-30 10:31:42

variaxlover wrote:

I guess we have different understandings of the meaning of the word "real".

No, I wouldn't think so, when you say:

variaxlover wrote:

Of course there are other alternatives to the JTV.

you have framed the discussion as comparing alternatives to the JTV so given that you

variaxlover wrote:

might be "missing" are the new and improved modeling features


and as the owner of the equipment you mentioned you know that those  "new and improved modeling features" are certainly missing and those features are at the heart of the appeal of the new Variax therefore a "real" alternative would have to address those features.

variaxlover wrote:

To me, "real" is something I can hold in my hands (like my Dark Fire or 2010 Limited) or mount in my rack (like my RackVax).  In other words, something that's available today.  Your meaning apparently adds things that are promised to ship in the future, like the JTV.


The new Variax is certainly real, I can't currently hold it in my hands it's true but the fact that I can't personally hold the moon in my hands decreases it's reality not one bit.

Still, let's go with your definition for a moment, in my opinion the Robot guitars are not a real alternative to even a Vav 700 so if the new Vax is as good as it's reported to be by those who have held it in their hands there is unlikely to be any contest!



Re: Expected Release Date???
by variaxlover on 2010-11-30 10:40:54

digiprod wrote: "Most of us own many other guitars as well as older Variaxes."

Exactly!  So why not send the RackVax company the guts from one of your older Variaxes and have them build you a RackVax, which you can then use with ANY or ALL of your other guitars to get the Variax sounds?  I can use mine with any of 5 fantastic guitars I have set up for it.  And the RackVax isn't just a "Variax in a box" -- it also adds GK-Thru and MIDI, while retaining the VDI port.  It works perfectly with Workbench and all VDI-equipped Line 6 products (like POD X3 and Vetta) unlike the JTV, which doesn't.

For years people were clamoring for this -- the Variax electronics in an outboard unit that could be used with any guitar -- and now that's it's available all they can say is "but it's not the NEW Variax guts" -- which by the way, you cannot buy yet, and won't have a single new model when you can.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by jenningsmusic on 2010-11-30 11:01:27

Some of you guys need to take a chill pill. Dammmm, you'd think someone shot your dog or something. Hey! I got a word for ya, DECAF! All this stressing ain't going to change anything except maybe your blood pressure.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by digiprod on 2010-11-30 11:07:07

Here is a few reasons I have little interest in this:

1) The cost, ridiculous what $1200!

2) Need at add GK pickup to each guitar I want to use it with more money.

3) Another piece of gear to carry or have to have around.

4) Old 8 year old Variax sounds - Big One!

5) What do I do with my old Variax guitar, throw it away? I do not hate that much.

6) Probably by the time the RackVariax would arrive so will the JTV!

Why would I just play my old Variax I already OWN that costs me nothing?

Of course it works with VDI and Workbench it is a Variax built by Line 6!

If Line 6 offered a product like this at a much smaller price tag with the latest JTV modeling, just maybe I would be interested. But I doubt they would as they seem to want to sell guitars and control the experience that way.

While we wait for the JTV which is coming (even if we think it is not soon enough) we can save money and time and just play our other guitars including our old Variax without spending a dime!



Re: Expected Release Date???
by digiprod on 2010-11-30 11:07:46

Thank you Doctor Jennings!



Re: Expected Release Date???
by thegreatoz on 2010-11-30 11:13:04

jenningsmusic wrote:

Some of you guys need to take a chill pill. Dammmm, you'd think someone shot your dog or something. Hey! I got a word for ya, DECAF! All this stressing ain't going to change anything except maybe your blood pressure.

LOL Nope, I checked, the dog's OK!  



Re: Expected Release Date???
by johnnyayyy on 2010-11-30 11:17:24

variaxlover wrote:

digiprod wrote: "Most of us own many other guitars as well as older Variaxes."

Exactly!  So why not send the RackVax company the guts from one of your older Variaxes and have them build you a RackVax, which you can then use with ANY or ALL of your other guitars to get the Variax sounds?  I can use mine with any of 5 fantastic guitars I have set up for it.  And the RackVax isn't just a "Variax in a box" -- it also adds GK-Thru and MIDI, while retaining the VDI port.  It works perfectly with Workbench and all VDI-equipped Line 6 products (like POD X3 and Vetta) unlike the JTV, which doesn't.

For years people were clamoring for this -- the Variax electronics in an outboard unit that could be used with any guitar -- and now that's it's available all they can say is "but it's not the NEW Variax guts" -- which by the way, you cannot buy yet, and won't have a single new model when you can.

Cool idea, BUT...

1.The rack is pretty expensive, doesn't it cost almost as much as two Korean JTVs? That point will likely keep it out of the hnads of most of us.

2.I am probably not the only on who doesn't want to put one of those funky looking GK pickups on my "normal" guitars.

3.The new Vax guts are supposed to sound much better than the old according to everyone who has heard them in person (of course how much better we have no way of knowing til they are released OR someone posts some proper high fidelity direct comparison mp3s or vids)

4.Though the JTV will not have any new models when it is released there is potential for new models to be added later. The earlier Vax internals are now a dead design at Line 6 and will most likely never get any new anything, I suppose some third party COULD theoretically come up with some new models for the old electronics but that doesn't feel like a smart bet to me.

All that said, if the Rack was less expensive I probably would have bought one by now. And if Line 6 had produced a stand alone Vax setup it would have probably had a street price lower than that of a Vax 300.

IF, if, if...



Re: Expected Release Date???
by sparkyERTW on 2010-11-30 11:18:11

jenningsmusic wrote:

Some of you guys need to take a chill pill. Dammmm, you'd think someone shot your dog or something. Hey! I got a word for ya, DECAF! All this stressing ain't going to change anything except maybe your blood pressure.

Hey, I don't remember my chill pills being this color... and why do they say "m&m" on them?



Re: Expected Release Date???
by johnnyayyy on 2010-11-30 11:18:55

digiprod wrote:

Here is a few reasons I have little interest in this:

1) The cost, ridiculous what $1200!

2) Need at add GK pickup to each guitar I want to use it with more money.

3) Another piece of gear to carry or have to have around.

4) Old 8 year old Variax sounds - Big One!

5) What do I do with my old Variax guitar, throw it away? I do not hate that much.

6) Probably by the time the RackVariax would arrive so will the JTV!

Why would I just play my old Variax I already OWN that costs me nothing?

Of course it works with VDI and Workbench it is a Variax built by Line 6!

If Line 6 offered a product like this at a much smaller price tag with the latest JTV modeling, just maybe I would be interested. But I doubt they would as they seem to want to sell guitars and control the experience that way.

While we wait for the JTV which is coming (even if we think it is not soon enough) we can save money and time and just play our other guitars including our old Variax without spending a dime!

Ha, you beat me to it!



Re: Expected Release Date???
by jenningsmusic on 2010-11-30 11:21:18

Doc Jennings says, "Yes, that's it. Breathe deeply and remember when that amazing guitar is finally in your hot little hands, all these delays will be forgiven, if not forgotten."



Re: Expected Release Date???
by digiprod on 2010-11-30 11:24:17

Sorry Doc Jennings, but I STILL remember all the delays from most all of Line 6 products.

I hope I live long enough to enjoy the JTV! By the way I did check the dog, he is doing great!



Re: Expected Release Date???
by digiprod on 2010-11-30 11:24:50

Great minds think alike!



Re: Expected Release Date???
by variaxlover on 2010-11-30 11:41:50

Hmmmm . . . Every single one of your points needs clarification:

"The cost . . ." If you send in the guts from your old Variax the cost is NOT $1200.  I don't know exactly what it is now (believe it or not I don't work for them) but mine was WAY less than half that.  After selling the old leftover Variax parts it cost me less than $250.

"Need at add GK pickup to each guitar I want to use it with"  Not necessarily -- I did add GK-3s to three of my guitars, which I would have done anyway for my GR-33 synth -- but the other two already have piezos so I use those with no modifications.  Many other guitars already have piezos.  And now, thanks to the GK-Thru port on the RackVax, I can use the piezo equipped guitars (Les Pauls) with the GR-33, an added bonus.  By they way, they track much better than the old systems did.

"Old 8 year old Variax sounds"   They still sound great to me and no one knows how much better (if at all) the new ones will be.

"What do I do with my old Variax guitar, throw it away".  Sell it.  I just got $380 for mine, without the electronics.

"Probably by the time the RackVariax would arrive so will the JTV!"  Wrong.  The RackVax is available NOW.  I bet you won't get your JTV until March.

"Why would I just play my old Variax I already OWN that costs me nothing?" Assuming you meant "why WOULDN'T I play my old Variax", that's easy -- Because it ain't a Gibson, or an Ibanez JEM, or a guitar that can tune itself, and it doesn't have a Sustainiac . . . shall I continue?  There are lots of reasons to play better guitars than an old Variax.

"Of course it works with VDI and Workbench it is a Variax built by Line 6!" Unlike the JTVs, built by WMI or Wildwood -- none of which work properly with Vettas.

Sure, you can go ahead and play your old Variaxes.  I was OK with that for the last 7 years and in fact I still have 12 of them, but I couldn't wait until there was a way to make my favorite guitars (Les Pauls) sound like all the Variax models.  Or my JEM with a Sustainiac; not a bad combination either when paired with a RackVax.

No need to argue this further, I just want people to know about the REAL alternative out there, without all the misinformation being thrown around.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by digiprod on 2010-11-30 12:02:09

The RacVax website shows $1200 - See http://www.rackvax.com/store Roland GK3 costs $215 each.

They do not build these out of Variax 300's so you would be ripping apart a Variax 700 (or 600) that still sells on eBay for $800 to $1200 even now! So I will stick by my $1200 statement. What happens if the Variax electronics break? Who fixes it? At what cost? All for an 8 year old technology that will be replaced very soon.

Even if I waited to March as you claim, I have my old Variax right now and it costs my absolutely nothing to play it! What will you do if the JTV comes out and sounds way better than the RackVax? Sell it on eBay at a big loss? Let's see. should I spend $1200 instead of just waiting a month or three months? I think not! Maybe you should work for the government the way you calculate costs.

I do not want to stick GK3's to my guitars, especially my vintage ones. None of my other guitars have piezos. When I play me other guitars it is usually because I want to hear the sound of that particular guitar. Sure Variax is cool and flexible, but I think many would agree it STILL is not the same as the guitars it models. The Variax may not compare in playability to some of my other guitars, but I still see little value in this solution at this price!

By the way I do not and never have owned a Vetta, so this does not apply to me. Plus the facts are not all out on if it will work or at what level quite yet.

I am happy this solution works for you, but I see nothing good in it for me. Again if Line 6 built something like this it would probably be cheaper, smaller, better and have better support. But they don't and I for one am not that interested in it.

After the JTV comes out I could sell my old Variax and recoup some costs, not spend more for less!



Re: Expected Release Date???
by johnnyayyy on 2010-11-30 12:04:25

variaxlover wrote:

"Of course it works with VDI and Workbench it is a Variax built by Line 6!" Unlike the JTVs, built by WMI or Wildwood -- none of which work properly with Vettas.

RE: Vetta incompatibilty

What is your source for this information?

I know the one guy here testing a JTV beta prototype with a Vetta 1.0 (has been having troubles figuring out how to get it to work properly BUT he also told us

1. his beta JTV is currently also not working properly with xtLive, x3Live, or HD-500

2. he MAY have figured out what he was doing wrong and MAY be posting some good news on Vetta compatibility after he does more testing

I know Line 6 is saying the JTV when it finally comes out WILL work with Vetta (see the other threads where this is discussed)... do you have more information on this or are you basing your statement on Neal's problems? Just curious, I have never seen anything from Line 6 saying Vetta II will not work with JTV and I have seen tons of stuff from them saying it WILL, any sourced info or links you can give us will be appreciated - I and maybe some of the other Vetta users here would love to know one way or the other whether this is an unfounded rumor or someone is getting this info directly from Line 6.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by variaxlover on 2010-11-30 12:04:51

See above (I answered most of your concerns in my response to digiprod).  But you are WAY off on the cost.  Right now they are $1199 for a completed, in-stock unit but if you send in your Variax guts they'll build you one for WAY less than that.  Find a bargain 500 or 700 on eBay, play your cards right in selling the old body, bridge w/piezos, XPS, power supply, etc., and your RackVax could cost you less than $200.  Plus you get GK-Thru and MIDI ports for that, so your new guitar setup will be much more versatile than your old Variax.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by johnnyayyy on 2010-11-30 12:14:14

digiprod wrote:

The RacVax website shows $1200 - See http://www.rackvax.com/store Roland GK3 costs $215 each.

They do not build these out of Variax 300's so you would be ripping apart a Variax 700 (or 600) that still sells on eBay for $800 to $1200 even now! So I will stick by my $1200 statement.

I have seen used Vax 600's and 700s going for in the $500 to $600 range on ebay in the last couple months (search the "completed auctions" area).

True, dealers are still trying to sell new Vax guitars for more money, I doubt many are selling at those prices. I think I saw a Vax 700 new listed for $1499 recently

EDIT: Just took a look and I was wrong, it was only $1450! http://cgi.ebay.com/LINE-6-Variax-700-Modeling-Electric-Guitar-variax-/330296771554?pt=Guitar&hash=item4ce738c3e2

I just checked the RVax site, it says "this product is currently not available"...



Re: Expected Release Date???
by digiprod on 2010-11-30 12:29:44

OK, we will become guitar salesman to try and make the price lower. Really? At the end of the day you are going to be spending $1200 + GK3 units. Oh right $1199, I forgot the dollar, but you forgot shipping costs to and from RackVax!

Just maybe you can sell the old stripped body for a few hundred to get an old Variax modeler which will drop like a rock in value as soon as the JTV is available maybe by next moth or the next! Then you could not get $200 for it. HAHA

There is no way you will be getting a RackVax for $200, if so sell us yours for $200! HAHA Now add the GK3 for another $219 for each...

You still never answered the support questions? Plus I do not need or want MIDI.

No thanks! I will pass...



Re: Expected Release Date???
by johnnyayyy on 2010-11-30 12:32:28

variaxlover wrote

See above (I answered most of your concerns in my response to digiprod).  But you are WAY off on the cost.  Right now they are $1199 for a completed, in-stock unit but if you send in your Variax guts they'll build you one for WAY less than that.  Find a bargain 500 or 700 on eBay, play your cards right in selling the old body, bridge w/piezos, XPS, power supply, etc., and your RackVax could cost you less than $200.  Plus you get GK-Thru and MIDI ports for that, so your new guitar setup will be much more versatile than your old Variax.

Cool, I did consider it at one point but I thought the price was way higher back then, around $2000? I bought a V500 and even considered the option of tossing all of the Vax guts into a small plastic box to make my own primitive version of RVax as I read about in the transplant forum but ended up going the transplant route instead.

If it really worked out to around $200 I would have been totally into it in the past, I almost never need it but occasionally I am required to record keyboard parts and a midi guitar would rock as my keyboarding skills are atrocious... at this point I am planning to buy a US JTV, between that and my transplants I am sure I will have enough Variax goodness to satisfy my needs.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by Goocher on 2010-11-30 12:34:07

digiprod wrote:

Even if I waited to March as you claim, I have my old Variax right now and it costs my absolutely nothing to play it!

It will always cost you whatever you paid for it. Unless it was a gift. (How's that for hair-splitting? As if I have any to spare.)

If the RackVax was interesting to you (I know it isn't), they have what I assume is the lower cost option of turning your Variax into a RackVax. That wouldn't have appealed to me, because I really liked the look/feel of my Variax 700 sunburst. Just the thought of a Variax corpse creeps me out. My 700 was sa-weetness.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by digiprod on 2010-11-30 12:48:36

OK, lets do some math:

Variax I already own and got use of for several years and could sell. COST = FREE, plus has resale value of old Variax!

RackVax - Costs $1200 + GK3 + shipping = $1419 + shipping! Oh that's right the RackVax is only $1199 so the cost would be $1418 for outfitting only one guitar!

RackVax from old Variax buy of value between $800 - $1000 I take it apart, ship the parts to RackVax and do my best to sell a mostly useless Variax shell that maybe I get $200 - $250 for on a good day. So I have investment of around $600 - $800 + GK3 @ $219 + shipping two ways = $819 to $1019 + shipping two ways before RackVax changes be for creating a RackVax! All this for 8 year old modeling that will be replaced by better modeling within a month or so.

Notice he has no price for the conversion and it seems to be missing from the website!

So tell me how this will cost $200 HAHA

Me thinks you are using Fuzzy Math!

Now when the the JTV the RackVax is worth even less in resale value, I get to use it for a whole two moths before the new JTV arrives. At that point Variaxlover will want to sell me an upgraded RackVax for another $1200, HAHA

Maybe Variaxlover should sell cars, yes there may be a future for him selling Chevys... Maybe the Volt, as it will need lots of help to sell in any numbers!

As I said I do not hate my old Variax! Sure like the price, FREE! No extra cost to get basically the same sounds!



Re: Expected Release Date???
by Goocher on 2010-11-30 13:09:59

Whatever you buy costs you that amount. Forever. No math required. You're saying you already own a Variax that you like, so there's nothing extra to pay if you want some Variaxtion. And by now it's probably obvious that I'm just being literal and pretending I don't get your point for fun. ;)



Re: Expected Release Date???
by variaxlover on 2010-11-30 13:13:34

Methinks you are using Fuzzy English! HAHA

But I can actually understand some of it.  First of all, congratulations on getting your FREE Variax!  I never really got one for free, but I made many thousands of dollars buying and selling them, so in that way I guess I got lots of FREE Gibson Les Pauls, PRSs and Ibanez JEMs.  I am not rich by any means, but I know how to leverage what I have to get what I really want.  And as a serious guitarist, I refuse to play anything less than the best.

I am not going to to tell you what I paid for my Variax-to-RackVax conversion because then you might demand that RackVax gives you the same price.  The conversion price is not listed because they don't know what you have.  There is a form to tell them, and then they send you the price quote.

I CAN tell you that all of your numbers are wrong.  For example, you can find GKs for less than $100.  And you can find Variax 700s for less than $500.  And you can sell the leftover parts, minus the board you sent to RackVax, for a lot MORE than $500.  No fuzzy math here; I've done it. HAHA



Re: Expected Release Date???
by johnnyayyy on 2010-11-30 13:54:02

johnnyayyy wrote:

variaxlover wrote:

JTVs, built by WMI or Wildwood -- none of which work properly with Vettas.

RE: Vetta incompatibilty

What is your source for this information?


!!!!!!



Re: Expected Release Date???
by rchoueri on 2010-11-30 14:44:07

RE: jenningsmusic 43 posts since Jul 14, 2009 Nov 30, 2010 Re: Expected Release Date??? Some of you guys need to take a chill pill. Dammmm, you'd think someone shot your dog or something. Hey! I got a word for ya, DECAF! All this stressing

I totally concur with Dr Jennings!!!! Jesus Joseph and Faaking Mary already give it a rest guys. You're gonna give yourselves an aneurism already. I'm getting like 31 emails an hour in my inbox with all this vitriolic nonsense. Guess what? We aint gonna solve the world's problems in this or any other forum over a cup of coffee. a Cappice? ~fuggedaboudit!~

So Line6's silence is deafening? You want me to grab a redeye tonite out of Newark out to CA and ram a cattle prod up their arses and run a couple hundred volts and wake'm up? Be glad to, however, they're already so probably brain dead anayways so will it really make a difference? So why waste my time and money. My time is money.

Dec 7 - Jan 11, whenever it arrives it arrives and que sera sera. And if it doesn't pan out, get your money back and buy something else. I know I will, and thanks for the memories.

There's plenty of amazing technology out there waiting to be tapped into and Line6 is HARDLY the only game in town; in fact they're tiny league compared to others and probably unbeknown to them in their esoteric ivory towers over yonder that if they keep ignoring their customer base they'll put themselves out of business. Won't break my heart. It's a shrinking universe and I can always reinvest my $1099+1299USD somewhere else. But I'm not gonna give myself an aneurism in the interim. Know why? Because I can!!!!

Chill boogie chillu'n -  Chill .....

~skygod~



Re: Expected Release Date???
by digiprod on 2010-11-30 14:46:29

I speak english perfectly and write it too. Nice try.

Just glad you are not my accountant! No amount of logic will allow you to see that what you claimed is nonsense. I am done. Let the others reading this do their own math!



Re: Expected Release Date???
by MerlinFL on 2010-11-30 14:52:33

rchoueri wrote:

RE: jenningsmusic 43 posts since Jul 14, 2009 Nov 30, 2010 Re: Expected Release Date??? Some of you guys need to take a chill pill. Dammmm, you'd think someone shot your dog or something. Hey! I got a word for ya, DECAF! All this stressing

I totally concur with Dr Jennings!!!! Jesus Joseph and Faaking Mary already give it a rest guys. You're gonna give yourselves an aneurism already. I'm getting like 31 emails an hour in my inbox with all this vitriolic nonsense. Guess what? We aint gonna solve the world's problems in this or any other forum over a cup of coffee. a Cappice? ~fuggedaboudit!~

So Line6's silence is deafening? You want me to grab a redeye tonite out of Newark out to CA and ram a cattle prod up their arses and run a couple hundred volts and wake'm up? Be glad to, however, they're already so probably brain dead anayways so will it really make a difference? So why waste my time and money. My time is money.

Dec 7 - Jan 11, whenever it arrives it arrives and que sera sera. And if it doesn't pan out, get your money back and buy something else. I know I will, and thanks for the memories.

There's plenty of amazing technology out there waiting to be tapped into and Line6 is HARDLY the only game in town; in fact they're tiny league compared to others and probably unbeknown to them in their esoteric ivory towers over yonder that if they keep ignoring their customer base they'll put themselves out of business. Won't break my heart. It's a shrinking universe and I can always reinvest my $1099+1299USD somewhere else. But I'm not gonna give myself an aneurism in the interim. Know why? Because I can!!!!

Chill boogie chillu'n -  Chill .....

~skygod~

Only three things to toss into this dogpile of "stuff".

1) Yeah - what Larry...um...Skygod said !!!

2) Damn glad I'm NOT part of this "fustercluck" !!!  What's this all about anyway???  Check that - I'll read it from the beginning if I get the time and desire.

3) Please guys/gals, stop all the back 'n' forth about whatever it is you've all been ranting about all day.  How about trying MY new forum for something hopefully positive and useful???  http://line6.com/community/message/208349   <---link to my forum I've just started.

See ya,

Neal



Re: Expected Release Date???
by rchoueri on 2010-11-30 17:01:26

Sorry if I offended anybody gang. Didn't mean to come across as if I was raising my voice or anything machiavellian like that. Line 6 is probably facing the same economic woes as everybody else right now and are trying to be as creative and hold on like everybody else. In fact NJ out here on the East coast has the highest unempoyment rate in the nation, and Miami, LA, San Farnsisco were touted on Yahoo yesterday as being the three worst cities to find a job right now. Does it suck in America right now? Yes ma'am. Does it suck in  Europe? Ye ma'am. Does it suck in Asia? Yes ma'am. Does she suck? Well. we'll  find out at eleven tonite. Let me use the anlogy below to try to put into perspective what is goiung on in the United States right now across the nation THAT IS AFFECTING THE ENTIRE PLANET:

It is a slow day in a damp little town, the rain is beating down and the streets are deserted.

Times are tough, everybody is in debt, and everybody lives on credit. 

On this particular day a rich European tourist is driving through the town, stops at the local hotel and lays a $100 note on the desk, telling the hotel owner he wants to inspect the rooms upstairs in order to pick one to spend the night. 

The owner gives him some keys and, as soon as the visitor has walked upstairs. 

The hotelier grabs the $100 note and runs next door to pay his debt to the butcher. 

The butcher takes the $100 note and runs down the street to repay his debt to the pig farmer. 

The pig farmer takes the $100 note and heads off to pay his bill at the supplier of feed and fuel. 


The guy at the Farmers' Co-op takes the $100 note and runs to pay his drinks bill at the pub. 

The publican slips the money along to the local prostitute drinking at the bar, who has also been facing hard times and has had to offer him "services" on credit. 

The hooker then rushes to the hotel and pays off her room bill to the hotel owner with the $100 note. 

The hotel proprietor then places the $100 note back on the counter so the rich traveler will not suspect anything. 

At that moment the traveler comes down the stairs, picks up the $100 note, states that the rooms are not satisfactory, pockets the money, and leaves town. 

No one produced anything.
 
No one earned anything. 

However, the whole town is now out of debt and looking to the future with a lot more optimism.

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is how Obama Global MacroEconomics Calculus now works.

So be thankful and grateful this past Thanksgiving that we'll even see the light of day Dec 11 or Jan 11 to see either item arrive here from Korea, that I might add is on the brink of its own border crisis and the 2d Korean war and demise at its doorsteps.

~skygod~




Re: Expected Release Date???
by wfjones on 2010-11-30 17:12:47

So you say you're not trying to do anything Machiavellian, and then end your email with a political comment...  Hmm...  Just Kidding!

Tension is high around here, and I think that most people who have read your posts would recognize that you're here to chat about music gear out of excitedment, and NOT looking for opportunities to twist people's words or take your agression out on people.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by MerlinFL on 2010-11-30 18:21:46

wfjones wrote:

So you say you're not trying to do anything Machiavellian, and then end your email with a political comment...  Hmm...  Just Kidding!

Tension is high around here, and I think that most people who have read your posts would recognize that you're here to chat about music gear out of excitedment, and NOT looking for opportunities to twist people's words or take your agression out on people.

YEAH - what he just wrote!  :-)

I had a tough time reading "skygod" postings when I first came across them.  I was wondering what kind of a #$%&^% is this guy is who loves his multi-syllabic words then signs off with "Fughettaboutit".  Then I looked up his profile and found out he's from NJ...SAME AS ME!!!  the difference between us now is...I haven't lived there since my "parole" (this is NJ humor folks!) finally went through and moved down here to redneck hell in Ocala, FL back in 2001.

Now I UNDERSTAND him, I APPRECIATE his brand of offbeat humor with just a touch of that good ole' NJ/NYC bits of sarcasm.  Do we agree all the time??  HECK NO!!  BUT we at least understand each other much better and all is nifty.    Yep, I did write Nifty. 

I still have no idea what took almost 50 flippin' posts today alone, but I think it has something to do with RackVax and the constantly extended delays in JTV product shipping.  Oh yeah, and the lack of any communication from Line 6 to shed any light on these topics is certainly just adding fuel to these fires.

However, if anyone wants to share learning experiences regarding the HD500 or the DT50 and I'll share my experiences with both as well as my JTV Model 59US prototype guitar.  Who knows, by the time everyone else finally gets their guitar orders filled, most may actually KNOW how to properly use the guitar and all the other new gear that goes with it.  Trust me, this is NOT an easy combination products and DEFINITELY NOT PLUG & PLAY OR FOR ANYONE WHO JUST WANTS PLUG & PLAY.

http://line6.com/community/thread/50260?tstart=0     Here's the link..just no fighting kiddies - okay?  :-)

And no mentions of RackVax here please.  I think that should have it's own forum.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by variaxlover on 2010-11-30 19:02:45

Neal, someone asked about alternatives to the JTV so I told them about the RackVax.  Then they started talking shit about it and I tried to set the record straight.  My bad, it won't happen again.  I'll let someone else start a forum for it if they want to.  Otherwise you can all pretend it doesn't exist.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by MerlinFL on 2010-11-30 20:03:58

variaxlover wrote:

Neal, someone asked about alternatives to the JTV so I told them about the RackVax.  Then they started talking **** about it and I tried to set the record straight.  My bad, it won't happen again.  I'll let someone else start a forum for it if they want to.  Otherwise you can all pretend it doesn't exist.

Wow - sorry to read that.  I know zero about the product and perhaps I'll check into it and reach my own conclusions.

Take care,

Neal



Re: Expected Release Date???
by grimm26 on 2010-11-30 20:09:07

Talking about alternatives is a great way for people to find out about new stuff .  Plus it can help put intop perspective the features of the product that the forum is about.  For instance, I have a dual humbucker guitar with a 5 way rotary wired like a PRS that gives me quite a variety of tones.   If I bought a Morpheus Droptune pdeal (which I heard about on here) I would be most of the way to what I would use a JTV for.  I never use open tunings, so about the only thing I would miss would be sitar and acoustic tones.  $20 to slap a 5-way rotary into a guitar, $200 for the morpheus (that you can use with any guitar) - sounds like a good deal for a right now solution.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by MartinHines on 2010-12-01 09:28:13

rchoueri wrote:

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is how Obama Global MacroEconomics Calculus now works.


Your comment is stupid and has nothing to do with Obama or anyone else's macro Economics



Re: Expected Release Date???
by Chauncey43 on 2010-12-01 10:04:13

I think we all know that skygod was being sarcastic. I, too am waiting for a JTV that I PAID FOR in August of 2010. We all have things in common, and we all have something to add. Lets not let politics or anger stain this discussion. I think we all need to be civil to each other and respect each other's viewpoints, even if we do not agree. There is nothing wrong with agreeing to disagree.

And we all need to have a sense of humor as well. Especially since some of us dropped 1200 bucks almost five months ago and are still waiting for our guitars.

Merry Christmas to all of you, maybe our present will be here by January.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by digiprod on 2010-12-01 10:39:50

Too bad you guys are not getting interest on your money as it is pretty clear (at least to me) that Line 6 knew they were not shipping anything 5 months ago!



Re: Expected Release Date???
by grimm26 on 2010-12-01 10:40:14

If any of you actually paid in full for your JTV already, you clearly bought from the wrong store .



Re: Expected Release Date???
by toasterdude on 2010-12-01 10:55:46

grimm26 wrote:

If any of you actually paid in full for your JTV already, you clearly bought from the wrong store .

I agree. Sweetwater hasn't charged me a nickle and I would be willing to bet that Line 6 does not have any money prom end user pre orders, and probably not distributors money either.

I am in the middle of moving so I just blew my JTV stash on new sofa, stove and 2 small AC units. Will replace that cash with december or january paychecks and commission checks. Sort of worked out OK for me having a delay as I can't sit on or cook  with the JTVs;-)



Re: Expected Release Date???
by toasterdude on 2010-12-01 10:57:34

MartinHines wrote:

rchoueri wrote:

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is how Obama Global MacroEconomics Calculus now works.


Your comment is stupid and has nothing to do with Obama or anyone else's macro Economics

Because he skipped the part about printing 600 billion more dollars? lols



Re: Expected Release Date???
by wfjones on 2010-12-01 11:15:49

Line 6 probably won't see any money from their products until a while after shipping them to the dealers.  Dealers don't generally pay up front, unless they're Best Buy and they can buy products in massive quantities to get lower prices themselves.  If anyone wins from paying up front on a pre order it is the dealer, not Line 6.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by sparkyERTW on 2010-12-01 11:36:02

grimm26 wrote:

If any of you actually paid in full for your JTV already, you clearly bought from the wrong store .

I'm also shocked to hear places have taken full payment; the most Long & McQuade hit me up for was a 10% downpayment.  Which retailer is it that's demanded everything upfront?



...This just in...
by toalfrgb on 2010-12-01 12:38:17

Hi, we have had some disappointing news about the JTV Variax guitars. A large batch have been built and were due to come to the UK, however, due to shorter shipping times from Korea (country of manufacture) to the UK vs USA all the guitars are being sent to America so that they can be in stores before Xmas. Line 6 UK are as disappointed as we are, but are unable to  change this. This means that there will be no Variax guitars in the UK this year. 


The first batch is now due to arrive in he UK in January.


Re: ...This just in...
by MerlinFL on 2010-12-01 13:14:08

toalfrgb wrote:

Hi, we have had some disappointing news about the JTV Variax guitars. A large batch have been built and were due to come to the UK, however, due to shorter shipping times from Korea (country of manufacture) to the UK vs USA all the guitars are being sent to America so that they can be in stores before Xmas. Line 6 UK are as disappointed as we are, but are unable to  change this. This means that there will be no Variax guitars in the UK this year. 


The first batch is now due to arrive in he UK in January.

Wow - but that's typical based on my experiences as being a former retailer of collectible statues & action figures as one of my company's used to hear this much of the time if supplies weren't large enough to accommodate all orders from all over the globe.  I'm in the USA and if the designing/ower company was in the USA, then exactly what you wrote is exactly what happens.  I'm not certain if it's because there are more sales here in the USA or it's just because of where the company is headquartered in.

I also invite everyone from here and any other JTV, HD500, DT50 thread to stop by my forum for hands on and practical information, instruction, complaints, tips, tricks, etc.  for all three of the latest & greatest new guitar products from Line 6.  Perhaps if everyone comes to this one forum i've started and chooses to participate or just try out the many discoveries, the learning curve for any getting a JTV guitar will be removed.  At least that is my intent with my new Forum.

Here's the link... http://line6.com/community/thread/50260;jsessionid=E4BE90009AB676679BAD98008088A483?tstart=0

Take care,

Neal



Re: ...This just in...
by favance on 2010-12-01 14:43:20

Cancelled my order for a JTV-69 w/Sweetwater today...  I just can't justify tying up money waiting on it...  I had the money set aside for the guitar a few months ago...but now, times are tight.  If they're having this much problem getting the product out...I'll wait and see if they succeed and how good it is...maybe I'll have the money then.



Re: ...This just in...
by RichRenken on 2010-12-01 15:29:42

toalfrgb wrote:

Hi, we have had some disappointing news about the JTV Variax guitars. A large batch have been built and were due to come to the UK, however, due to shorter shipping times from Korea (country of manufacture) to the UK vs USA all the guitars are being sent to America so that they can be in stores before Xmas. Line 6 UK are as disappointed as we are, but are unable to  change this. This means that there will be no Variax guitars in the UK this year. 


The first batch is now due to arrive in he UK in January.

Who posted this?



Re: ...This just in...
by RichRenken on 2010-12-01 15:35:38

favance wrote:

Cancelled my order for a JTV-69 w/Sweetwater today...  I just can't justify tying up money waiting on it...  I had the money set aside for the guitar a few months ago...but now, times are tight.  If they're having this much problem getting the product out...I'll wait and see if they succeed and how good it is...maybe I'll have the money then.

We are not having a problem getting the product out. As I said a while ago. We want it to be amazing. No compromise. All that. I have been flying back and forth to Korea to be sure of that. We have had the Senior VP of Operations flying all over Asia being sure that the highest standards and best costs are being held up. If you have to use that money for something else, no problem. I definitely understand. I look forward to the day you are able to buy one.



Re: ...This just in...
by digiprod on 2010-12-01 15:44:42

Rich, that is great news, BUT WHEN? An idea! Please! Or will Line 6 continue to be silent on the delivery date while it whispers sweet nonsense to the dealers? Sorry to be so blunt, BUT...



Re: Expected Release Date???
by RichRenken on 2010-12-01 15:47:55

toasterdude wrote:

grimm26 wrote:

If any of you actually paid in full for your JTV already, you clearly bought from the wrong store .

I agree. Sweetwater hasn't charged me a nickle and I would be willing to bet that Line 6 does not have any money prom end user pre orders, and probably not distributors money either.

I am in the middle of moving so I just blew my JTV stash on new sofa, stove and 2 small AC units. Will replace that cash with december or january paychecks and commission checks. Sort of worked out OK for me having a delay as I can't sit on or cook  with the JTVs;-)

Thank you! I am so sorry for the delay. Honestly guys, and you know that I don't blow smoke. The delay is absolutely because myself and the team are not willing to compromise on quality and feel. I just set up the first 26 sales guy's units and they are truly killer. Even with all my zen luthier experience I am impressed with how far we have gotten with World Musical Inst in Korea. They are such a great partner. In fact, later today you can go to www.tylervariax.com and check out a bit of a blog about them with a link to our flickr page showing me over there working on pickguards.



Re: ...This just in...
by RichRenken on 2010-12-01 15:57:50

digiprod wrote:

Rich, that is great news, BUT WHEN? An idea! Please! Or will Line 6 continue to be silent on the delivery date while it whispers sweet nonsense to the dealers? Sorry to be so blunt, BUT...

Ok, this is real. There is a boat on the ocean with the first few hundred on its way to our distribution center. I will be going up there to oversee the set up and shipping of them around Christmas. So my guess is that those first few will be hitting in the very end of Dec and the beginning of Jan. Then we are shipping another bigger batch coming behind that and another and with each we are ramping up the quantities. It is going to be constrained for sure and we are already taking steps to up the quantities already. One thing that our partner did not want to do is try to deliver thousands in the first shipment. These guitars are not easy to assemble compared to a normal guitar. We have had to set up processes and procedures with World. They wanted to do the first shipments in the hundreds so that it is manageable to get the quality and consistency and be able to make adjustments to these processes quickly as we are doing the first batches. The demand is over whelming actually. We are blown away. I personally knew this would be huge and it is even beyond my expectations. So we are scrabbling and doing everything we can to up production without any compromise to quality whatsoever.

So again, so sorry. I know this is the WORST thing to tell early adoptors and fans like you guys. But again, honestly, it is because of you guys that we are doing it the way we are.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by RichRenken on 2010-12-01 16:00:40

digiprod wrote:

Too bad you guys are not getting interest on your money as it is pretty clear (at least to me) that Line 6 knew they were not shipping anything 5 months ago!

That my brother is completely untrue. We thought we were shipping in Oct. Things happened that were not under our control and not only did our head guys grab this thing by the horns to turn it around, we are ending up in a much better place overall.

Again, seriously, we are sorry for the misfire. I am bummed that I did something you guys have never seen me do. Name a date. But again, it is because compromise was not an option. Period.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by digiprod on 2010-12-01 16:03:40

Thank you for the information. We all appreciate it. I am willing to wait for a great product and did not expect it early, but it is a lot nicer getting an idea from Line 6 what the timeframe might be.

I am looking forward to receiving my JTV-59 and JTV-69 I have on pre-order!



Re: ...This just in...
by thegreatoz on 2010-12-01 16:10:59

Line6Renken wrote:

I know this is the WORST thing to tell early adoptors and fans like you guys. But again, honestly, it is because of you guys that we are doing it the way we are.

Actually this is the second best thing you could tell us, the worst thing is what you've been telling us ....... nothing, and the best thing would be that my JTV will be at my house by Friday. I'm happy with this, all I really wanted was some official word. Thanks Rich!



Re: Expected Release Date???
by RichRenken on 2010-12-01 16:35:53

digiprod wrote:

The Line 6 silence is deafening! So I TOTALLY understand things happen! Excuses are like a-holes everyone has one. BUT no communication directly to customers causes this. This is Line 6's fault for NOT announcing ANY useful information.

I was flying around the globe and working my butt off to get these guitars to market. That cut into my time on the forums. Sorry. Contrary to popular belief, we are not a gigantic bloated company with people sitting around reading your posts. I am in here giving you the straight story as soon as I have the story and as soon as I have time. Sorry for the hold up.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by markcockerill on 2010-12-01 16:36:40

Thanks Rich, at least we now know, now get back to your scratchplates or what ever it is you are doing to my guitar lol.



Re: ...This just in...
by toalfrgb on 2010-12-01 16:37:24

Hi Rich,

it came in an email tonight from my dealer with whom I've had an order in with for some time.

Thank you for keeping us informed.

Please continue to do so.

Any news is better than no news.

kind regards.

Frank



Re: Expected Release Date???
by RichRenken on 2010-12-01 16:38:07

digiprod wrote:

Thank you for the information. We all appreciate it. I am willing to wait for a great product and did not expect it early, but it is a lot nicer getting an idea from Line 6 what the timeframe might be.

I am looking forward to receiving my JTV-59 and JTV-69 I have on pre-order!

Seriously we appreciate you! Period. Thank you so much for your patience.

Once I get the guitars out to the market, my luthier side of things will be less taxing and I will be spending way more time in here and on the other forums with you guys. I will give you as much information I can as soon as I can.

Thanks again.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by Nick_Mattocks on 2010-12-01 16:44:43

Thanks for the update Rich.  It's much appreciated.  My 59 will arrive when it arrives.

Keep up the good work.

regards

Nick



Re: Expected Release Date???
by rchoueri on 2010-12-01 16:54:20

Ladies and Gentlemen-

And there you have it from the horse's mouth. As if Line6 absconded with your deposits and went to Korea to gamble it away at a Russian roulette table.

You see ya mullets? I told ya so huh? Everybody freaking out getting their panties in a vitriolic rats bailing out of a sinking ship uproar over absolutely nothing.

Good God Almighty, I hate it when I'm right all the freakin time. Sorry can't help it though, I'm a ~skygod~

~fuggedaboudit!~

~skygod~



Re: ...This just in...
by RichRenken on 2010-12-01 17:10:03

thegreatoz wrote:

Line6Renken wrote:

I know this is the WORST thing to tell early adoptors and fans like you guys. But again, honestly, it is because of you guys that we are doing it the way we are.

Actually this is the second best thing you could tell us, the worst thing is what you've been telling us ....... nothing, and the best thing would be that my JTV will be at my house by Friday. I'm happy with this, all I really wanted was some official word. Thanks Rich!

No problem. Thank you!



Re: Expected Release Date???
by RichRenken on 2010-12-01 17:10:47

markcockerill wrote:

Thanks Rich, at least we now know, now get back to your scratchplates or what ever it is you are doing to my guitar lol.

Ha, exactly!!



Re: ...This just in...
by RichRenken on 2010-12-01 17:15:35

toalfrgb wrote:

Hi Rich,

it came in an email tonight from my dealer with whom I've had an order in with for some time.

Thank you for keeping us informed.

Please continue to do so.

Any news is better than no news.

kind regards.

Frank

OK, good deal. That is a dealer caring very much about his customer. Very cool.

I feel so so bad that the UK isn't going to have guitars for Christmas. I didn't even know we made that decision. No offence to my USA brothers or other brothers around the globe, but the UK and European guys are way more rabid and consistent fans of Variax, in general. If we could have magically got some fast boat, I would have chose to send them all to the UK. But I too understand logistics. All you guys rule. Again, sorry for the radio silence, it was NOT intentional.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by RichRenken on 2010-12-01 17:19:14

rchoueri wrote:

Ladies and Gentlemen-

And there you have it from the horse's mouth. As if Line6 absconded with your deposits and went to Korea to gamble it away at a Russian roulette table.

You see ya mullets? I told ya so huh? Everybody freaking out getting their panties in a vitriolic rats bailing out of a sinking ship uproar over absolutely nothing.

Good God Almighty, I hate it when I'm right all the freakin time. Sorry can't help it though, I'm a ~skygod~

~fuggedaboudit!~

~skygod~

Hey, don't slam the mullets. Check out this old pic of me.

LeMullet.jpg



Re: Expected Release Date???
by musicsingle on 2010-12-01 17:40:19

Hey Rich

How many beers [I mean years ] ago was this taken?  GOOD PIC!

Well I am still 74 years old and I hope I can get one soon as time is running out for me.  Send me a 59 and 69 and I will buy for them cash [the colors are no problem]. I will even send you the money tonight if I can get at least one by the end of the month.  What say?  I need one to play Silent Night.

musicsingle



Re: ...This just in...
by Amperzand on 2010-12-01 18:26:21

Thanks for your response, Rich! I look forward to your blog too - loving the photos from the factory.

It's heartening to hear that the demand has been so great, as I gather that was one of the prerequisites for a future left-handed production run.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by mulvennk on 2010-12-01 18:26:59

Thanks Rich - if ever you get to read the going back and forth here you will realize we are carrying on like kids at Christmas! For those of you still doubting the comapny's intentions, etc., please don't look too hard or read too much. Rich has been as fair as he could be. I had a service issue with a local service rep not long ago that went awry and Line 6 not only took over the repair, but did so in a manner in which I paid nothing and my guitar was rush shipped to the town in which I was playing. It is clear they appreciate our business.



Re: ...This just in...
by jayson2 on 2010-12-01 18:31:05

So, Rich, does that mean those of us north of the 50, can hope to get a JTV by the middle of January 2011?

Cheers,

jayson



Re: Expected Release Date???
by RichRenken on 2010-12-01 19:05:36

mulvennk wrote:

Thanks Rich - if ever you get to read the going back and forth here you will realize we are carrying on like kids at Christmas!

I know and completely understand. Plus, I feel like Santa in Rudolf. The storm has hit and I am bummed that I am delayed. There is a team here that stepped up to be Rudolf in this situation and I am thankful. But just like Santa, I take it personally. I want you guys to have these guitars.



Re: ...This just in...
by RichRenken on 2010-12-01 19:11:30

jayson2 wrote:

So, Rich, does that mean those of us north of the 50, can hope to get a JTV by the middle of January 2011?

Cheers,

jayson

I am not sure. I don't work in sales. But as we get closer, I will find out and report back here.



Re: ...This just in...
by skeletonpete on 2010-12-01 19:24:23

Line6Renken wrote:

So again, so sorry. I know this is the WORST thing to tell early adoptors and fans like you guys. But again, honestly, it is because of you guys that we are doing it the way we are.

Rich,

I think you know most of us here truly appreciate the opportunity to be in on the process so early, the only side effect being terminal anticipation. To paraphrase Springsteen, "The deadline is one day, the product is forever".

Best,

Pete



Re: ...This just in...
by gurumonkey on 2010-12-01 19:29:54

Rich!

you are a good man. 

Can you tell us how things are coming along from your point of view?  are these variaxs on par with what you expected them to be?  and you keep mentioning that you guys are trying to make these the best possible (please keep doing it).  have any improvements been made in the software?  i know you said that the team has had a chance to improve the acoustic sounds.  anything else new?

God bless you bro!



Re: ...This just in...
by ozbadman on 2010-12-01 19:40:58

thegreatoz wrote:

Line6Renken wrote:

I know this is the WORST thing to tell early adoptors and fans like you guys. But again, honestly, it is because of you guys that we are doing it the way we are.

Actually this is the second best thing you could tell us, the worst thing is what you've been telling us ....... nothing, and the best thing would be that my JTV will be at my house by Friday. I'm happy with this, all I really wanted was some official word. Thanks Rich!

+1



Re: ...This just in...
by Goocher on 2010-12-01 19:49:34

Line6Renken wrote:

jayson2 wrote:

So, Rich, does that mean those of us north of the 50, can hope to get a JTV by the middle of January 2011?

Cheers,

jayson

I am not sure. I don't work in sales. But as we get closer, I will find out and report back here.

Hey "Rich," we already had this figured out: aliens. So whoever you really are -- N'tok or Gleek or Mork -- we'd like you to stop weaving intricate conspiracies and return the real Rich back to Earth.  Everyone knows that NASA's announcement tomorrow will be about the missing JTVs, so you can just cut the crap. And while I'm at it, please stop abducting me at night and stealing my socks. I have like six orphans now. I usually don't buy new ones until they look like fishnet.

Besides all that... just received the HD500 (woo-hoo!) and patiently waiting for a gorgeous gold '69US. Booyah! :)



Re: Expected Release Date???
by MerlinFL on 2010-12-01 20:12:31

Line6Renken wrote:

rchoueri wrote:

Ladies and Gentlemen-

And there you have it from the horse's mouth. As if Line6 absconded with your deposits and went to Korea to gamble it away at a Russian roulette table.

You see ya mullets? I told ya so huh? Everybody freaking out getting their panties in a vitriolic rats bailing out of a sinking ship uproar over absolutely nothing.

Good God Almighty, I hate it when I'm right all the freakin time. Sorry can't help it though, I'm a ~skygod~

~fuggedaboudit!~

~skygod~

Hey, don't slam the mullets. Check out this old pic of me.

LeMullet.jpg

Honestly, I never ever heard of that word used to describe a hairstyle until sometime in the late 90's.  I always thought a Mullet was a fish caught by McDonald's and Long John Silver's to use for their fish filet sandwiches.  :-)



Re: ...This just in...
by sparkyERTW on 2010-12-01 20:23:54

Thanks for letting us know what's going on, Rich.  We kind of lost our heads there.  We promise we'll all put out the tire fires and throw down our rocks, bats and chains.

Like Jayson I look forward to hearing whether we'll be seeing some in the Great White North soon, but no rush.  You're clearly being kept pretty darn busy; hopefully at some point in the next month they'll let you sleep.



Re: ...This just in...
by Goocher on 2010-12-01 21:32:25

skeletonpete wrote:

Line6Renken wrote:

So again, so sorry. I know this is the WORST thing to tell early adoptors and fans like you guys. But again, honestly, it is because of you guys that we are doing it the way we are.

Rich,

I think you know most of us here truly appreciate the opportunity to be in on the process so early, the only side effect being terminal anticipation. To paraphrase Springsteen, "The deadline is one day, the product is forever".

Best,

Pete

Agreed!  Rich, thanks for the hard work.  It was really cool seeing all those pretty Korean JTVs on Flickr.  Hope you all get a chance to chill over the holidays.



Re: ...This just in...
by jenningsmusic on 2010-12-01 22:24:25

Good to have you back, Rich. These guys nearly lost their minds while you were gone. Myself? I'm patiently waiting for my black 59.



Re: ...This just in...
by RichRenken on 2010-12-02 00:22:21

skeletonpete wrote:

Line6Renken wrote:

So again, so sorry. I know this is the WORST thing to tell early adoptors and fans like you guys. But again, honestly, it is because of you guys that we are doing it the way we are.

Rich,

I think you know most of us here truly appreciate the opportunity to be in on the process so early, the only side effect being terminal anticipation. To paraphrase Springsteen, "The deadline is one day, the product is forever".

Best,

Pete

That is a great quote and so true. Thanks Pete.



Re: ...This just in...
by RichRenken on 2010-12-02 00:29:32

gurumonkey wrote:

Rich!

you are a good man. 

Can you tell us how things are coming along from your point of view?  are these variaxs on par with what you expected them to be?  and you keep mentioning that you guys are trying to make these the best possible (please keep doing it).  have any improvements been made in the software?  i know you said that the team has had a chance to improve the acoustic sounds.  anything else new?

God bless you bro!

Thank you my friend!

It is coming along great. The guitars are truly exceptional. On the sonic side, it is night and day from original variax. Mainly because the 4 times the DSP addition. Let me post here part of my blog about it from www.tylervariax.com.

Let’s get the info straight from Curtis Senffner, Sr. DSP Software Engineer at Line 6. He worked tirelessly to up the ante and bring to life the most authentic-feeling modeling guitar in history. Then we’ll hear from some players who got to reap the benefits.

Curtis explains, the new chip is significantly more powerful and has allowed us to:

  • Run fuller and clearer models of guitar bodies and pickups
  • Allow all models to be alternate tuned
  • Improve alternate tuning purity and speed
  • Provide alternate tuning customization
  • Allow new modes of operation and editing

Thank you, Curtis.

Also, Curtis accomplished something I didn't think we were going to get, he got an eq and gain stage added to each pickup behind the scenes so that it didn't break Workbench. With that we were able to do tweaks you guys and Variax artist asked for.



Re: ...This just in...
by RichRenken on 2010-12-02 00:32:14

Goocher wrote:

Line6Renken wrote:

jayson2 wrote:

So, Rich, does that mean those of us north of the 50, can hope to get a JTV by the middle of January 2011?

Cheers,

jayson

I am not sure. I don't work in sales. But as we get closer, I will find out and report back here.

Hey "Rich," we already had this figured out: aliens. So whoever you really are -- N'tok or Gleek or Mork -- we'd like you to stop weaving intricate conspiracies and return the real Rich back to Earth.  Everyone knows that NASA's announcement tomorrow will be about the missing JTVs, so you can just cut the crap. And while I'm at it, please stop abducting me at night and stealing my socks. I have like six orphans now. I usually don't buy new ones until they look like fishnet.

Besides all that... just received the HD500 (woo-hoo!) and patiently waiting for a gorgeous gold '69US. Booyah! :)

LMAO..... I really needed that my friend. I really do appreciate it.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by RichRenken on 2010-12-02 00:33:20

MerlinFL wrote:

Line6Renken wrote:

rchoueri wrote:

Ladies and Gentlemen-

And there you have it from the horse's mouth. As if Line6 absconded with your deposits and went to Korea to gamble it away at a Russian roulette table.

You see ya mullets? I told ya so huh? Everybody freaking out getting their panties in a vitriolic rats bailing out of a sinking ship uproar over absolutely nothing.

Good God Almighty, I hate it when I'm right all the freakin time. Sorry can't help it though, I'm a ~skygod~

~fuggedaboudit!~

~skygod~

Hey, don't slam the mullets. Check out this old pic of me.

LeMullet.jpg

Honestly, I never ever heard of that word used to describe a hairstyle until sometime in the late 90's.  I always thought a Mullet was a fish caught by McDonald's and Long John Silver's to use for their fish filet sandwiches.  :-)

I know. I still don't understand why it is a "mullet".



Re: ...This just in...
by RichRenken on 2010-12-02 00:34:52

sparkyERTW wrote:

Thanks for letting us know what's going on, Rich.  We kind of lost our heads there.  We promise we'll all put out the tire fires and throw down our rocks, bats and chains.

Like Jayson I look forward to hearing whether we'll be seeing some in the Great White North soon, but no rush.  You're clearly being kept pretty darn busy; hopefully at some point in the next month they'll let you sleep.

Thanks man. I do understand. I really do.



Re: ...This just in...
by RichRenken on 2010-12-02 00:36:11

jenningsmusic wrote:

Good to have you back, Rich. These guys nearly lost their minds while you were gone. Myself? I'm patiently waiting for my black 59.

Thank you...........



Asia/Middle East delivery
by kaz911 on 2010-12-02 01:30:37

Hi Line6Renken,

thanks for the updates.

Do you know when Middle East/Asia will get JTV's?

We are quite a lot close to Korea :-) but do you ship them to US first? and then on to the Middle East/Asia? Or can we expect them here anytime soon?

I'm trying to deceide if I want to pay the extortion amount the local dealer will (and normally does) charge or get one from the US. :-)

/kasper



Re: Expected Release Date???
by rchoueri on 2010-12-02 05:19:12

You mean this haircut?

or this?

Family Mugilidae, MULLETS
Mugil cephalus

I was referring to the latter like in 'dumb as a mullet'

~fuggedaboudit!~

~skygod~



Re: Expected Release Date???
by Goocher on 2010-12-02 05:33:18

rchoueri wrote:

You mean this haircut?

or this?

Family Mugilidae, MULLETS
Mugil cephalus

I was referring to the latter like in 'dumb as a mullet'

~fuggedaboudit!~

~skygod~

Don't forget, dear skygod, that there are yet people who are not familiar with this sacred hairstyle.   For the history-loving mullet neophytes among us, I present to you:
History of the Mullet
http://www.slideshare.net/petunia203/mulletpresentation3



Re: ...This just in...
by gurumonkey on 2010-12-02 07:23:53
Also, Curtis accomplished something I didn't think we were going to get, he got an eq and gain stage added to each pickup behind the scenes so that it didn't break Workbench. With that we were able to do tweaks you guys and Variax artist asked for.

so what does this mean?  you mentioned behind the scenes?  is that just for line6 to tweak, or is that something we'll have access to in the new workbench?



Re: ...This just in...
by defkaf on 2010-12-02 09:33:48

The problem with all this anticipation and waiting is that the G.A.S. keeps building up and my mind keeps going.

Now I've got number games going in my head; Rich said "a few hundred" are on the boat. Given nine model/color combinations, maybe 35 or 40 of each would qualify, to me at least, as a few hundred. Subtract the 35 I think he said he set up for sales reps, how many distributers are there and how many will each get???

I'm number two in line at Elderly for a JTV59 in Cherry - does that get me in the first batch or not. I already ran out and bought an HD500 last Friday to satisfy the GAS, but now I'm all exited and anxious again. Whatever shall I do?!?!?!

So many toys - So little time (and Money).

Thanks Rich, for the updates. It's great to know that things are, indeed, progressing. A new JTV may be just the thing to get me through the cold, dark, evil month of January in Wisconsin.

Don



Re: ...This just in...
by artnpam on 2010-12-02 11:17:58

defkaf wrote:

The problem with all this anticipation and waiting is that the G.A.S. keeps building up and my mind keeps going.

Now I've got number games going in my head; Rich said "a few hundred" are on the boat. Given nine model/color combinations, maybe 35 or 40 of each would qualify, to me at least, as a few hundred. Subtract the 35 I think he said he set up for sales reps, how many distributers are there and how many will each get???

I'm number two in line at Elderly for a JTV59 in Cherry - does that get me in the first batch or not. I already ran out and bought an HD500 last Friday to satisfy the GAS, but now I'm all exited and anxious again. Whatever shall I do?!?!?!

So many toys - So little time (and Money).

Thanks Rich, for the updates. It's great to know that things are, indeed, progressing. A new JTV may be just the thing to get me through the cold, dark, evil month of January in Wisconsin.

Don

I've got the same number games going through my head, too!  I should hopefully be in the 1st batch from Sweetwater for my JTV-69 3-tone SB.  Where in WI are you?

- Art



Re: ...This just in...
by defkaf on 2010-12-02 11:27:14

artnpam wrote:

I've got the same number games going through my head, too!  I should hopefully be in the 1st batch from Sweetwater for my JTV-69 3-tone SB.  Where in WI are you?

- Art

I'm in the Milwaukee area.

With the forecast for the weekend I'm thinking maybe I should have spent the last two nights getting the snowblower ready instead of playing with the HD500 - But where's the fun in that!

Don



Re: Expected Release Date???
by stevejbailey7777 on 2010-12-02 11:29:33

Hi People,

Since posting my blog there has been roughly 113 other comments to present date.  Sadly a few amongst you seem insistent on "rattling cages" and going off the subject, which I took to be "Expected Release Date".

Let me try and douse the fire and get some perspective on things, and please do not take offence because my comments are not aimed at anyone in particular

To my knowledge not one of us here (or else where come to that), had ever been told when Line 6 where to release the JTV.  Forget retailers, I am talking about official word from Line 6.

Rich made his position clear from the outset - he does not work in sales, and has been kind enough to share his perspective of things, i.e., overseeing production. As I said in my last piece he has been busy, doing his job with knowledge of what we expect - all credit to him.  Neither he nor Line 6 can be held responsible for outside influences that interfered with production, and by that I mean shortage of parts and the precarious situation between North and South Korea.  Do you shoot a car mechanic when a car isn't ready because he is waiting for parts?   We all knew what we were getting into when we pre-ordered, let's not try and make out any different.  We just have to be patient and trust in people like Rich.

Initially I paid a deposit for my guitar, then decided to pay in full - because I wanted to, not because I was forced to - my retailer has always given me the choice to cancel at any time.  As for interest, well not every investment made, yields an obvious return. I have paid in the hope that the "dividend" is going to be a well made guitar that does everything I dreamed it would. The price I have paid now is a contract, and in the event of rising prices, I will have saved.

People outside of this forum have suggested that I cancel and buy a another guitar, and a GV3, and a RackVax ... and ... and - I reply "why should I?"   Those things have been on the market for ages, and if that had been what I wanted, then I would have bought them in the first place and not ordered a JTV .  In any case I want a modelling guitar not a MIDI guitar!

The performance of the Korean made JTV59 and others can be seen at  http://www.youtube.com/user/AndertonsMusic#p/c/D671A2DAD1B55C2A/5/FAQwT_SdOd4   or  http://www.youtube.com/user/AndertonsMusic.

Bye for now



Re: Expected Release Date???
by rchoueri on 2010-12-02 13:32:21

Goocher,

Very informative slide presentation. I had no idea. I mean I had never heard the 'haircut' described as a mullet. I am truly enlightened lol

Sorry for the confusion gang didn't mean to misrepresent or denigrate somebody's 70s-80 hairstyle. In my circles a mullet is somebody one step lower than a snapperhead, but whether that is above slime or somewhere between slime and navel lint is another thread altogether. Not even in the douchebag category either, because the 'douche' is spoken with sacred avowment especially up here in the NE especially around NJ/NYMA and is way way way above a mullet's paygrade and skill level.

Just wanted to clear that up to preclude any further disorientation, misorientation, redirection, or clever resampling of somebody's copyrighted works. Ooops, looks like I just opened up a can of worms. The last category is actually 98 percent of music production in America and Europe today. I call it The Mullet Audio Visual entertainment Industry. You can become enlightened even further at gearslutz.com aka mulletcentral.

Later-

~skygod~



Re: ...This just in...
by RichRenken on 2010-12-02 14:17:51

gurumonkey wrote:

Also, Curtis accomplished something I didn't think we were going to get, he got an eq and gain stage added to each pickup behind the scenes so that it didn't break Workbench. With that we were able to do tweaks you guys and Variax artist asked for.

so what does this mean?  you mentioned behind the scenes?  is that just for line6 to tweak, or is that something we'll have access to in the new workbench?

That is just for us. There is no new workbench. The only change to workbench is that it recognizes the JTVs and there is a pull down menu to save your custom tunings from the alt tune knob/wheel.



Re: ...This just in...
by stumpsout on 2010-12-02 16:20:34

Thanks for the update Rich, I appreciate knowing the status and that it will be a bit longer than I had potentially expected.

I also understand and very much appreciate that you and many others are working their tails off and have high respect for the extra guts it took to have not settled for "good enough"...THAT Rules!

These words that were already posted here from Springsteen sure did hit the spot.."The deadline is one day, the product is forever".

I wouldn't have wanted a "good enough" guitar for Christmas, anyway. Good move.

..and in the much bigger picture..if I had to rush anything..it is that I hope for everyone in that Korean area to be safe and sound in peace right away!



Re: ...This just in...
by RichRenken on 2010-12-02 18:48:56

Thanks man. Yup, when I was working in Incheon, you know that you are only minutes from North Korea. They have been living with that for 60 years. Can't imagine.

That is a great quote.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by ozbadman on 2010-12-02 20:16:40

Hi Steve,

stevejbailey7777 wrote:

To my knowledge not one of us here (or else where come to that), had ever been told when Line 6 where to release the JTV.  Forget retailers, I am talking about official word from Line 6.

Expectations were definitely set at an initial target date of September/October-ish

Neither he nor Line 6 can be held responsible for outside influences that interfered with production, and by that I mean shortage of parts and the precarious situation between North and South Korea.  Do you shoot a car mechanic when a car isn't ready because he is waiting for parts?   We all knew what we were getting into when we pre-ordered, let's not try and make out any different.  We just have to be patient and trust in people like Rich.

I think the important thing is not so much that the target dates moved as that in itself is probably not much of a surprise to any of us. The difficult thing was the extended timeframe that no official updates were coming through. Even "Yep, we're still waiting on..." would have been great. That was the frustrating part. However, Rich has obviously been extremely busy, and did in fact apologise for the "radio silence" recently on this website. Hopefully though the takeaway for Line 6 is to keep the early adopters informed as to progress and so, manage our expectations. Radio silence just leaves a vacuum to be filled by rumours.

I repeat, I totally agree with the "right product" rather than "wrong product now". The only issue I had was the lack of official updates on the situation which was incredibly frustrating.

But, they look awesome and we are now getting status updates so congrats to Rich and everyone at Line 6. Unfortunately, it looks like it's going to be about a week too late for me as I'm on a plane on the 16th December and was hoping to take it with me. Still, I'd rather take it next year than ship it back next year to get something fixed

Cheers,

David.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by grimm26 on 2010-12-02 20:42:35

Well, as Rich has mentioned, he doesn't want to be in a finger pointing game of naming suppliers or partners as being the one holding up the show.  It's not good business for Line 6 and it would just leave a bad taste in everyone's mouth.  I think it is safe to say that WMI is not to blame, Rich seems pretty stoked about working with them.  WMI has also had to adjust to the added complexities of building a variax guitar.  Between Rich's schedule and only saying something when you have something nice to say, that seems to have left some dead air



Re: Expected Release Date???
by ozbadman on 2010-12-02 21:04:10

grimm26 wrote:

Well, as Rich has mentioned, he doesn't want to be in a finger pointing game of naming suppliers or partners as being the one holding up the show.  It's not good business for Line 6 and it would just leave a bad taste in everyone's mouth.  I think it is safe to say that WMI is not to blame, Rich seems pretty stoked about working with them.  WMI has also had to adjust to the added complexities of building a variax guitar.  Between Rich's schedule and only saying something when you have something nice to say, that seems to have left some dead air

I think my point is being lost. I don't want finger pointing. I don't even particularly care why the original target date has been delayed - although I don't consider saying things like "we've had trouble sourcing wood" or "electronics lead times have blown out" or "we're struck some hitches setting up production lines" as blaming anyone (ie: finger pointing), merely providing details. After the original target dates, I just would have liked to receive regular updates (bi-weekly? monthly?) on progress rather than feeling abandoned. BTW, I used to work in Sales and managing customer expectations is extremely important, and it's not about blame, it's about information flow. And I'm not 'blaming' Line 6 or Rich. I'm merely suggesting that for me, I would have preferred some information and am hoping that should this happen again, that Line 6 will consider providing updates as they themselves go through their own pain of trying to get them out to their quality standards.

Think of this as general encouragement from me in that direction



Re: Expected Release Date???
by guitar4u on 2010-12-02 21:24:14

Thanks for the great communication Rich! It made all the difference!! I was contemplating spending the money elsewhere because I was losing confidence but I totally understand the who/what/when/where/why of it now...

I placed my order for a JTV 59 Tobacco Sunburst with Sweetwater today Those guys have GREAT customer service btw. The guy on the phone expects early January for delivery. I'm happy to wait for it

Rich



Re: Expected Release Date???
by Goocher on 2010-12-03 03:23:36

ozbadman wrote:

grimm26 wrote:

Well, as Rich has mentioned, he doesn't want to be in a finger pointing game of naming suppliers or partners as being the one holding up the show.  It's not good business for Line 6 and it would just leave a bad taste in everyone's mouth.  I think it is safe to say that WMI is not to blame, Rich seems pretty stoked about working with them.  WMI has also had to adjust to the added complexities of building a variax guitar.  Between Rich's schedule and only saying something when you have something nice to say, that seems to have left some dead air

... I don't even particularly care why the original target date has been delayed...

I agree with this.

ozbadman wrote:

... although I don't consider saying things like "we've had trouble sourcing wood" or "electronics lead times have blown out" or "we're struck some hitches setting up production lines" as blaming anyone (ie: finger pointing), merely providing details.

But aside from saying, "These guitars are complex to build," I don't see how Rich could have gone into any details without implicitly naming names.  We wouldn't have known to whom he was referring, but all the partners (and competitors) certainly would.  From what Rich has said, seems like the musical instrument industry is small and tight.  So, keeping a lid seems critical.

ozbadman wrote:

After the original target dates, I just would have liked to receive regular updates (bi-weekly? monthly?) on progress...

... it's about information flow. And I'm not 'blaming' Line 6 or Rich. I'm merely suggesting that for me, I would have preferred some information and am hoping that should this happen again, that Line 6 will consider providing updates as they themselves go through their own pain of trying to get them out to their quality standards.

Think of this as general encouragement from me in that direction

Agreed!  Communication is good for relationships.

However, the real cause of Rich's radio silence is very likely that hideous Droid 2 he's using.  But like he said, his phone can run Flash!  And technically my Honda "can" run the Indy 500.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by stevejbailey7777 on 2010-12-03 05:11:56
The difficult thing was the extended timeframe that no official updates were coming through.

Very difficult to know what to do though, it's catch 22.  What if Line 6 had given a date and then the North Koreans had declared war, or another component had failed , the reputation of Line 6 would still come under attack.  Don't get me wrong I am as eager as anyone else to start playing my JTV, and it is nice to be informed of progress, but at the end of the day it makes no difference to the ETA.

Sad as this may sound, I replay "Chappers" review of the Variax just to remind myself of the awsome guitar that I've ordered.

Regards

Steve



Re: Expected Release Date???
by toasterdude on 2010-12-03 07:28:04

stevejbailey7777 wrote:

The difficult thing was the extended timeframe that no official updates were coming through.

Very difficult to know what to do though, it's catch 22.  What if Line 6 had given a date and then the North Koreans had declared war, or another component had failed , the reputation of Line 6 would still come under attack.  Don't get me wrong I am as eager as anyone else to start playing my JTV, and it is nice to be informed of progress, but at the end of the day it makes no difference to the ETA.

Sad as this may sound, I replay "Chappers" review of the Variax just to remind myself of the awsome guitar that I've ordered.

Regards

Steve

A simple. . ."we are probably not going to make christmas delivery time", would go a long way.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by mbenigni on 2010-12-03 08:18:09

So I understand no official release date has been announced, but is the general assumption now that - barring any disasters - these are expected in January or February 2011?  That's fine by me, so my next question is:  does that just represent the timeframe for pre-orders to be fulfilled, or is that also when we can expect to start seeing them in stores?  Or is something like Summer 2011 more likely for the latter?



Re: Expected Release Date???
by RichRenken on 2010-12-03 09:11:50

ozbadman wrote:

grimm26 wrote:

Well, as Rich has mentioned, he doesn't want to be in a finger pointing game of naming suppliers or partners as being the one holding up the show.  It's not good business for Line 6 and it would just leave a bad taste in everyone's mouth.  I think it is safe to say that WMI is not to blame, Rich seems pretty stoked about working with them.  WMI has also had to adjust to the added complexities of building a variax guitar.  Between Rich's schedule and only saying something when you have something nice to say, that seems to have left some dead air

I think my point is being lost. I don't want finger pointing. I don't even particularly care why the original target date has been delayed - although I don't consider saying things like "we've had trouble sourcing wood" or "electronics lead times have blown out" or "we're struck some hitches setting up production lines" as blaming anyone (ie: finger pointing), merely providing details. After the original target dates, I just would have liked to receive regular updates (bi-weekly? monthly?) on progress rather than feeling abandoned. BTW, I used to work in Sales and managing customer expectations is extremely important, and it's not about blame, it's about information flow. And I'm not 'blaming' Line 6 or Rich. I'm merely suggesting that for me, I would have preferred some information and am hoping that should this happen again, that Line 6 will consider providing updates as they themselves go through their own pain of trying to get them out to their quality standards.

Think of this as general encouragement from me in that direction

I hear you.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by RichRenken on 2010-12-03 09:12:30

guitar4u wrote:

Thanks for the great communication Rich! It made all the difference!! I was contemplating spending the money elsewhere because I was losing confidence but I totally understand the who/what/when/where/why of it now...

I placed my order for a JTV 59 Tobacco Sunburst with Sweetwater today Those guys have GREAT customer service btw. The guy on the phone expects early January for delivery. I'm happy to wait for it

Rich

Thank you back!



Re: Expected Release Date???
by RichRenken on 2010-12-03 09:14:28

Goocher wrote:

However, the real cause of Rich's radio silence is very likely that hideous Droid 2 he's using.  But like he said, his phone can run Flash!  And technically my Honda "can" run the Indy 500.

touche'



Re: Expected Release Date???
by RichRenken on 2010-12-03 09:17:51

mbenigni wrote:

So I understand no official release date has been announced, but is the general assumption now that - barring any disasters - these are expected in January or February 2011?  That's fine by me, so my next question is:  does that just represent the timeframe for pre-orders to be fulfilled, or is that also when we can expect to start seeing them in stores?  Or is something like Summer 2011 more likely for the latter?

All I can tell you is that demand is high. It just depends on the store, the area, the country, etc and their demand. Like I said, when I know more from sales, I am going to let you know.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by derekbiggerstaff on 2010-12-03 09:24:06

Hi Rich, Do you happen to know if the US models are being held back to hit the shops at the same time as the Korean ones, or do they have their very own set of delays?

I ordered a 59 Goldtop ages ago

Deke



Re: Expected Release Date???
by RichRenken on 2010-12-03 09:46:01

derekbiggerstaff wrote:

Hi Rich, Do you happen to know if the US models are being held back to hit the shops at the same time as the Korean ones, or do they have their very own set of delays?

I ordered a 59 Goldtop ages ago

Deke

They are not held back but will be rolling out at the same time. The stuff we worked out with the Korean factory affected the USA as well. So we are rolling on the USA, but they are handmade so they will be a few weeks behind and they are very backordered at this point. So they will be rolling out over the next 4-6 months. I do know there is a lot of activity to help the dealers know when to expect the US guitars so they can let you guys know. High end custom guitars is a new thing for Line 6. Thanks for your patience.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by stevejbailey7777 on 2010-12-03 09:49:11

toasterdude wrote:

stevejbailey7777 wrote:

The difficult thing was the extended timeframe that no official updates were coming through.

Very difficult to know what to do though, it's catch 22.  What if Line 6 had given a date and then the North Koreans had declared war, or another component had failed , the reputation of Line 6 would still come under attack.  Don't get me wrong I am as eager as anyone else to start playing my JTV, and it is nice to be informed of progress, but at the end of the day it makes no difference to the ETA.

Sad as this may sound, I replay "Chappers" review of the Variax just to remind myself of the awsome guitar that I've ordered.

Regards

Steve

A simple. . ."we are probably not going to make christmas delivery time", would go a long way.

I really don't want to labour the point, but thats what they did, and I posted to let you all know.   Maybe I didn't make it clear enough so here is the whole quote from the Line 6 email

It was a private email from our employee to a dealer. It was just about the fact that the first shipment was going to the US because we could get from Korea to the US before Christmas but the guitars going to the UK would come after Christmas anyway so the second shipment will go straight to the UK.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Blow this for a lark Even I'm getting confused now . Having re-read the email I noticed he states it is NOT official news from the company,  I reckon some one needs to sort this out - from an official perspective.

See you all later

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Message was edited by: stevejbailey7777



Re: Expected Release Date???
by ozbadman on 2010-12-03 09:49:17

Line6RichRenken wrote:

I hear you.

Thanks Rich,

And for what it's worth, I was using an Ericsson T610 until recently and I doubt it could run the Indy 500...

Cheers,

David.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by toasterdude on 2010-12-03 09:57:59

stevejbailey7777 wrote:

toasterdude wrote:

stevejbailey7777 wrote:

The difficult thing was the extended timeframe that no official updates were coming through.

Very difficult to know what to do though, it's catch 22.  What if Line 6 had given a date and then the North Koreans had declared war, or another component had failed , the reputation of Line 6 would still come under attack.  Don't get me wrong I am as eager as anyone else to start playing my JTV, and it is nice to be informed of progress, but at the end of the day it makes no difference to the ETA.

Sad as this may sound, I replay "Chappers" review of the Variax just to remind myself of the awsome guitar that I've ordered.

Regards

Steve

A simple. . ."we are probably not going to make christmas delivery time", would go a long way.

I really don't want to labour the point, but thats what they did, and I posted to let you all know.   Maybe I didn't make it clear enough so here is the whole quote from the Line 6 email

It was a private email from our employee to a dealer. It was just about the fact that the first shipment was going to the US because we could get from Korea to the US before Christmas but the guitars going to the UK would come after Christmas anyway so the second shipment will go straight to the UK.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Blow this for a lark Even I'm getting confused now . Having re-read the email I noticed he states it is NOT official news from the company, yet he is the Sales Account Manager for the Line 6 Midlands and Northern Sales.    Time for a coffee methinks. Sorry if I have blown the whistle on anyone, but I reckon some one needs to sort this out - from an official perspective.

See you all later

Thinsg can get confusing in international sales. Many times a distributor acts as if they are a local office for a manufacturer.  Like you said that was not an "official" email and seemed to only pertain to UK. Christmas is a big spending period and people are managing purchases etc. Leaving 3k set aside since august or so, doesn't make sense. I have since used that cash on moving and even buying an M9 from Line 6.  I now know that I have december to replace that cash.

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Re: Expected Release Date???
by kaz911 on 2010-12-04 20:44:03

I just got the prices from our local UAE Line 6 pusher...

AED 6800-7200 for JTV Korea..  That is very close to $2000,- (AED is linked to value of US$ so currency exchange is always the same). Dont even ask about a JVT US....

I had thought about buying locally but I did expect idiotic pricing from them as that is their normal practice.

In the UAE we have:

1. NO TAXES (import duty is 4.7%) - that is no income taxes and no corp. taxes.

2. NO Sales Tax

3. Low staff cost - Less than $1500 / month pr. guy working for Thomsun (or so they say)

4. But.... no competition...

And of course they have NO real service. They can change the stings on a guitar - but that is about it.

Dear Line 6 - if you had prices like US here - you would sell 50-300% more in the UAE... If the dealer had real service guys - the consumers would not be scared to death about buying from them.

Please find another "Distributor/Retailer" here and see your sales multiply.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by bigjase on 2010-12-04 23:54:08

We have the same rubbish going on here in Australia. The AU is at close to parity with the US and the RRP here for a Korean has been quoted to me a $2200.

Now I know there are shipping costs and import duty but there is no way it justifies double.

I notice that Fender Australia have just dropped their pricing on US guitars as everyone is so fed up with this BS and buying direct from overseas it impacted on their sales figures.

It's not Line 6 and it is not my local dealer Haworth’s Guitars. It is the Australian distributer in the middle.

Most music gear over here is controlled by a dozen distributers and they all do this. I think they believe we are still at the @rse end of the world and there is a premium to be paid for getting it here.

It's at the point where so much gear is sourced directly from overseas it is hurting the local dealers. I always do my best to support them but even I have to think twice when we’re talking double the price. Yet there is an uproar in the trade press that we are being disloyal and not supporting the local industry.

Lets meet halfway then shall we!

It is way out of hand. On top of that I guess being such a small market we will probably be shipment three if where lucky down here so I will be looking at April!

Cheers,

Jason



Re: Expected Release Date???
by kaz911 on 2010-12-05 00:37:46

I do not think we have a distributor here.. Thomsun is both retailer and distributor as far as I know since you can only get Line6 products through Thomsun. And they do not keep up to date with Service Bulletins or anything. They just shift boxes. And if you need ANY kind of repair - you ALWAYS have to wait for their next shipment from Line 6 to get the spare parts. That took 2 1/2 months for my Pod XT Live. Not a SINGLE spare part in stock for ANY Line 6 product.

And shipping should not be more expensive to UAE from Korea vs. USA from Korea.

DHL happily ships a single guitar by air for about $120 from USA to UAE.  So equation is simple

Pay $1300,- plus (maybe) sales tax of 8% (optional dependent on where you order from/to)

Add $120 for shipping...

and you have your JVT for less than $1500 IN the UAE - or pay $500 extra to get it locally delivered from Guys who does not even know what a JTV is. (It is just a product on their pricelist)

I can get a Pod HD500 for the savings...

I would be fine with a 15-20% higher price. But not a 70% extra.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by toasterdude on 2010-12-05 02:21:02

kaz911 wrote:

I do not think we have a distributor here.. Thomsun is both retailer and distributor as far as I know since you can only get Line6 products through Thomsun. And they do not keep up to date with Service Bulletins or anything. They just shift boxes. And if you need ANY kind of repair - you ALWAYS have to wait for their next shipment from Line 6 to get the spare parts. That took 2 1/2 months for my Pod XT Live. Not a SINGLE spare part in stock for ANY Line 6 product.

And shipping should not be more expensive to UAE from Korea vs. USA from Korea.

DHL happily ships a single guitar by air for about $120 from USA to UAE.  So equation is simple

Pay $1300,- plus (maybe) sales tax of 8% (optional dependent on where you order from/to)

Add $120 for shipping...

and you have your JVT for less than $1500 IN the UAE - or pay $500 extra to get it locally delivered from Guys who does not even know what a JTV is. (It is just a product on their pricelist)

I can get a Pod HD500 for the savings...

I would be fine with a 15-20% higher price. But not a 70% extra.

Whether it is a distributor or reseller/distributor. Having one that has exclusive rights is very dangerous. I am willing to bet in many cases the distributor makes more profit

thanl Line 6 themselves. Last year I added a 2nd distributor in Brazil and quadrupled sales. The second new distributor doubled his sales this year. The original guys till sells OK but is happier selling feweer units at higher profit margins.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by Amperzand on 2010-12-05 04:18:00

bigjase wrote:

"We have the same rubbish going on here in Australia. The AU is at close to parity with the US and the RRP here for a Korean has been quoted to me a $2200.

Now I know there are shipping costs and import duty but there is no way it justifies double.

I notice that Fender Australia have just dropped their pricing on US guitars as everyone is so fed up with this BS and buying direct from overseas it impacted on their sales figures.

It's not Line 6 and it is not my local dealer Haworth’s Guitars. It is the Australian distributer in the middle.

Most music gear over here is controlled by a dozen distributers and they all do this. I think they believe we are still at the @rse end of the world and there is a premium to be paid for getting it here.

It's at the point where so much gear is sourced directly from overseas it is hurting the local dealers. I always do my best to support them but even I have to think twice when we’re talking double the price. Yet there is an uproar in the trade press that we are being disloyal and not supporting the local industry.

Lets meet halfway then shall we!

It is way out of hand. On top of that I guess being such a small market we will probably be shipment three if where lucky down here so I will be looking at April!

Cheers,

Jason"

+1



Re: Expected Release Date???
by jyflorida on 2010-12-06 15:13:56

Truly appreciate the communication!  Having just arrived home from emergency surgery, I'm just now finding out about the delay.  Sweetwater said mine would probably be shipped around January 30.  This really works out well for me, as by then I should be off light duty and actually able to pick up a guitar by then, instead of having it shipped now and just sitting there staring at me, daring me to play it!  Very cool to see that "good enough" isn't "good enough" for you guys!  That's very evident in the new Pods as well - bought an HD500 about a month ago and it's damn near perfect!!  Can't wait to try out the Variax!!



Re: Expected Release Date???
by omarope822 on 2010-12-06 17:27:31

So when will the korean made ones come to the US? 4-6 months from now or in late January-early February??



Re: Expected Release Date???
by Nick_Mattocks on 2010-12-07 04:10:59

I believe Rich said a few days ago if you look back in this thread or one of the other similar threads that the first shipment of several hundred Korean JTV's is on its way to the US right now to the distribution centre.

Nick



Re: Expected Release Date???
by watchbr on 2010-12-07 07:07:28

My local guy tells me the AU RRPs have dropped, so you should be able to pick one up for way less than 2200...



Re: Expected Release Date???
by omarope822 on 2010-12-07 12:55:37

Thanks Nick! so late this year and early next year we'll have variax in the US!



Re: Expected Release Date???
by omarope822 on 2010-12-08 09:59:14

One last (kinda out of topic) question.... Can the JTV-89 play in a clean channel? because all videos I have seen they use distortion :s



Re: Expected Release Date???
by laelamiles on 2010-12-09 18:13:55

According to Guitar Center, they'll have a shipment on December 31st.  Is this for real, or can we expect a delay?

Either way, got my preorder in.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by agua1 on 2010-12-09 18:23:24

I heard from my Sweetwater rep that they're now hearing Jan. 31st, and I'm #2 on the list for a Lake Placid Blue JTV69.  I placed my order in June.  I was hoping that the ship coming in late Dec. would mean guitars would hit sooner than that...



Re: Expected Release Date???
by agua1 on 2010-12-09 18:25:00

Over the months there have been so many gigs that came and went that I was planning to use the JTV on.  I've learned the hard way to stop planning on it arriving.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by laelamiles on 2010-12-09 18:26:39

Well Sweetwater is a smaller shop and get lesser priority and fewer shipments.   For example, they are out of the Slash Epiphone but I can still walk in to GuitarCenter and pick one up new.

You can be sure that GC has more clout here, will get bigger batches and sooner.

That being said, I'm perfectly fine with a delay as long as Line 6 is using the time and carefully setting up those guitars with awesome action in the US...  I don't want any corners cut here.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by Goocher on 2010-12-10 05:36:36

laelamiles wrote:

Well Sweetwater is a smaller shop and get lesser priority and fewer shipments.   For example, they are out of the Slash Epiphone but I can still walk in to GuitarCenter and pick one up new.

You can be sure that GC has more clout here, will get bigger batches and sooner.

That being said, I'm perfectly fine with a delay as long as Line 6 is using the time and carefully setting up those guitars with awesome action in the US...  I don't want any corners cut here.

I suspect Line 6 planned all along to delay the release of the more expensive JTVs until they had "lessons learned" experience under their belts from the first Korean run at least. They are probably pre-selling the Korean models 20-1 (or more) to the USA counterparts.

Ah... on second read, I realize you were referring to the Korean models getting setup stateside, not to the USA models. I agree 100%. If the delay represents "getting it right," then Line 6 can take its time. :)



Re: Expected Release Date???
by RogerZ on 2010-12-15 01:42:40

I just heard from my local store in the Netherlands that he is expecting both JTV69 and 59 this week? I mailed him for something complete different, but in his reply he mentioned that the Line 6 guitars probably would be in this week? We will see, I wasn't expecting them for early february...and still am. But, if they will come before Christmas... even better. Fingers crossed!



Re: Expected Release Date???
by lachlan123 on 2010-12-15 17:45:06

It seem unlikely considering Rich himself has said the first batch were being sent to the US. But there is always hope a second batch were created like lightning and they're being all sneaky and suprisefull about it.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by blahblahdeleter on 2010-12-16 04:44:25

lachlanc wrote:

It seem unlikely considering Rich himself has said the first batch were being sent to the US. But there is always hope a second batch were created like lightning and they're being all sneaky and suprisefull about it.

Keep in mind many of the first batch to the US are for Line 6 - demos, etc. For another data point, I ordered mine a little while ago from Sweetwater and they said late January at the earliest. (US)



Re: Expected Release Date???
by Johan_de_Greyze on 2010-12-17 01:29:25

Hey Roger

What store is that. My local store (in the Netherlands as well) sent me a mail just two weeks ago that Line 6 had shifted the delivery to mid January. He also said that he was not certain about that, knowing the past of Line6.

Jan



Re: Expected Release Date???
by johnnyayyy on 2010-12-24 20:42:57

I don't remember seeing this posted here before... I just noticed zzounds.com says they are expecting JTVs Jan. 6

"We have been given a date of Jan 6 for the arrival of this item. This  date is not guaranteed, rather an estimate based on either information  obtained directly from the manufacturer or historical delivery data for  the specific manufacturer."

http://www.zzounds.com/item--LINJTV59



Re: Expected Release Date???
by jdenkevitz on 2010-12-25 14:11:31

Musicians friend is reporting late January.

BTW they have a 15% off online codo "hohoho" which you can apply to a preorder JTV. Therefore a delivered jtv69 for $1019.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by RichRenken on 2010-12-28 08:16:05

Can you believe? I do. I am happy to let you guys see the very first JTV that shipped today!!!! Many more to ship in the next couple days. What a road this has been! Thank you all for your patience and thank you to my international friends that have to wait a few more weeks. It is going to be a great year.

Thanks to all you guys, especially the guys that were in my "Rich Renken, Product Manager for the future of Variax, here" forum, or whatever I called it.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by wfjones on 2010-12-28 08:22:08

Woo Hoo!  Thanks a ton, Rich!



Re: Expected Release Date???
by MaestrosounD on 2010-12-28 08:32:15

Great!

And since they arrived in the US, is a date of arrival in Europe easier to give? I gotta know, because i need to reserve my 59 either in Germany or in the Netherlands, depending on the date.

Thanks



Re: Expected Release Date???
by thegreatoz on 2010-12-28 08:58:40

Great news!!! I hope you're sending at least three blue JTV-69's to Sweetwater!



Re: Expected Release Date???
by musicsingle on 2010-12-28 10:52:31

IT"S HERE!  Great news....... Looking forward to playing the JTV.  Rich, thanks for your persistence.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by Porkchop_Xpress on 2010-12-28 19:02:51

I came home today to the news that my wife bought me a Tobacco 59!   Ootz ootz!  I am very excited.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by grimm26 on 2010-12-28 19:20:01

Porkchop_Xpress wrote:

I came home today to the news that my wife bought me a Tobacco 59!   Ootz ootz!  I am very excited.

Does your wife have a twin sister?



Re: Expected Release Date???
by wfjones on 2010-12-28 19:35:03

A good question.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by Johan_de_Greyze on 2010-12-29 01:59:06

Congratulations Rich. Again it has been proven that a release of  a new / completely renewed product is a very tough job, with many road blocks that are not all predictable. I am looking forward to the one I want to have, the Apple Candy Red JTV-69 (Korean version) which is already for a long time on my PC's desktop (see attachment).

Also thanks to the Line 6 crew who made this release happen.

I am sure that the critics will be positive and all negativism will disappear like snow in the sun.

Jan



Re: Expected Release Date???
by sliding_billy on 2010-12-29 02:34:08

Welcome back Rich!  Nothing like bringing folks some great after Christmas news.  It's like a big smile just washed over the entire croud. :-)

Chris



Re: Expected Release Date???
by Kristov on 2010-12-29 03:33:13

Wish i knew when mine was arriving  I ve had a sizeable deposit placed on the korean 69 since June!! I have no idea when it will arrive in the UK??



Re: Expected Release Date???
by G335gibson on 2010-12-29 06:44:32

That's really great news Rich!

Will any JTV's be shipped to Canada from this first shipment?

I ordered my JTV-59 back in mid July.

Thanks



Re: Expected Release Date???
by MartinHines on 2010-12-29 10:05:15

Kristov wrote:

Wish i knew when mine was arriving  I ve had a sizeable deposit placed on the korean 69 since June!! I have no idea when it will arrive in the UK??

Your dealer will have the most up--to-date information.

Rich Renken is not in Sales, but he did mention that a International Customers "will have to wait a few more weeks".

Also currently no end-user here is the U.S. has received any specifics about receiving their guitars.

Rich's comment really was the "1st guitar has shipped".   The first shipment was small, and I suspect some of those will go to Line 6 reps as demo guitars.

I am hoping my guitar will arrive some time in January (or February).

Patience is a key virtue. 



Re: Expected Release Date???
by francisb on 2010-12-29 10:06:08

Can I ask you where in Canada did you pre ordered one?

Here in Montreal I'm still bugging stores and the answer is still guitar isn't yet in the system, so can't do much about it... I think the previous variax wasn't a great success over here and they aren't too crazy yet about the next one... which is a shame because I would like to try a 59 and a 69 before deciding...



Re: Expected Release Date???
by MartinHines on 2010-12-29 10:13:35

They probably don't enter products in their system until they actually have received them (at least their first batch).



Re: Expected Release Date???
by francisb on 2010-12-29 10:21:22

My understanding is that it depends on the company rep(Line 6 canada), they had the HD up a few weeks before it showed up and I was able to ordered my DT50 when I pickup my HD back in november, but it hasn't show up up yet....



Re: Expected Release Date???
by RichRenken on 2010-12-30 01:57:36

There is a shipment heading to the UK in a couple weeks.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by RichRenken on 2010-12-30 01:59:32

None went to Canada in this first shipment. I am sure that some from the shipment in two weeks will be going to Canada. I will know soon and let you know.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by teleplayer_fr on 2010-12-30 02:01:26

I would prefer the Korean guys to take their time instead of boosting the production to the detriment of quality.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by RichRenken on 2010-12-30 02:03:16

MartinHines wrote:

Kristov wrote:

Wish i knew when mine was arriving  I ve had a sizeable deposit placed on the korean 69 since June!! I have no idea when it will arrive in the UK??

Your dealer will have the most up--to-date information.

Rich Renken is not in Sales, but he did mention that a International Customers "will have to wait a few more weeks".

Also currently no end-user here is the U.S. has received any specifics about receiving their guitars.

Rich's comment really was the "1st guitar has shipped".   The first shipment was small, and I suspect some of those will go to Line 6 reps as demo guitars.

I am hoping my guitar will arrive some time in January (or February).

Patience is a key virtue.

All these guitars went to US dealers. They will have to then receive and distribute. All dealers have different way that they go about this and all of them have their own internal schedules. So the best info would be to contact your dealers for sure.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by Sampo72 on 2010-12-30 02:34:16

So it's going to be couple of  weeks until shipment + four weeks on ship from Korea to UK -> # of days/week/weeks  from UK to Thomann Germany ->   # of days/week/weeks from Thomann to Finland. It'll be March already then. And this is being optimistic.

Why would you even bother sendig out this (info from Thomann dated 9/12/2010) :  "Dear Customer,

Unfortunately, we have to announce a further delay to the launch of the JTV guitar range into Europe until January 2011. Although the product range has gone into production the shipping time required to get the products into Europe means that Line 6 will not be in a position to distribute any products to you until January. "

Yeah, the guitar will be great. Other stuff, not so much.

Sampo



Re: Expected Release Date???
by Goocher on 2010-12-30 02:46:08

Sampo72 wrote:

So it's going to be couple of  weeks until shipment + four weeks on ship from Korea to UK -> # of days/week/weeks  from UK to Thomann Germany ->   # of days/week/weeks from Thomann to Finland. It'll be March already then. And this is being optimistic.

Why would you even bother sendig out this (info from Thomann dated 9/12/2010) :  "Dear Customer,

Unfortunately, we have to announce a further delay to the launch of the JTV guitar range into Europe until January 2011. Although the product range has gone into production the shipping time required to get the products into Europe means that Line 6 will not be in a position to distribute any products to you until January. "

Yeah, the guitar will be great. Other stuff, not so much.

Sampo

So, you've posted twice, yet never bothered to read through this forum.  There are extensive discussions regarding date slippages.

Thomann posted their note on the 9th of December and hasn't updated it since.  Assuming you're math is close to reality, that puts delivery at the beginning of February, which is not very far away from the end of January, is it?



Re: Expected Release Date???
by Sampo72 on 2010-12-30 03:13:59

I've read every post since my first post. And I have been reading this forum way before that. I read it almost daily. I wish I had something more positive to share than my current frustrations.

Thomann had date of 21.1.2010 as their next shipment date when the word from Line6 was posted.

2 weeks from now : 13.01.2010

4 week from that: 3.2.2010

2 days in customs/logistics

3 days from UK to Germany: 9.2

2 days in customs/logistics

Ready to ship 11.2.

It is going to be middle of February. And I think these numbers are optimistic. It's still going to be three weeks later than last date that I've been given. I wish I had same kind of luxury of not meeting my deadlines. Repeatedly.

I did not mean to offend you but I am frustrated. I sold a guitar to finance this that I probably should not have done, so I am having sellers remorse too.  

EDIT:

On positive note: I know I will love the guitar!!!

-- I love Tyler connection.  have two Tylers (Studio Elite and Mongoose) which are coolest guitars on earth. I really dig those necks !!

-- I play alot in open tunings in home. I will not need to tune and retune my acoustic ever so often anymore.

-- I play in cover band that has songs that have verses w/ acoustic and chorus w/electric (Coldplay etc.). No problem.

-- We play Tsunami by Manic Street Preachers. I can now play it w/sitar sound on verses and rock out the chorus with distortion.

-- We had to transpose some song to fit our singer range. I can now (well, actually then...) play correct  voicings.

-- I've always wanted to try nashville strung baritone tuning (Pat Metheny's One Quiet Night or Joe Beck's alto tuning). Now I can.

-- I have dabbled w/5 string banjo years ago. thing I will be able to simulate five string banjo with virtual capo by tuning a-string octave higher g.  

-- My older daughter asks almost daily about arrival of the red guitar ("have you forgotten the red guitar?").

I think in the future add MIDI w/Roland stuff there too. 



Re: Expected Release Date???
by Goocher on 2010-12-30 04:08:48

Sampo72 wrote:

I've read every post since my first post. And I have been reading this forum way before that. I read it almost daily. I wish I had something more positive to share than my current frustrations.

Thomann had date of 21.1.2010 as their next shipment date when the word from Line6 was posted.

2 weeks from now : 13.01.2010

4 week from that: 3.2.2010

2 days in customs/logistics

3 days from UK to Germany: 9.2

2 days in customs/logistics

Ready to ship 11.2.

It is going to be middle of February. And I think these numbers are optimistic. It's still going to be three weeks later than last date that I've been given. I wish I had same kind of luxury of not meeting my deadlines. Repeatedly.

I did not mean to offend you but I am frustrated. I sold a guitar to finance this that I probably should not have done, so I am having sellers remorse too.  

EDIT:

On positive note: I know I will love the guitar!!!

-- I love Tyler connection.  have two Tylers (Studio Elite and Mongoose) which are coolest guitars on earth. I really dig those necks !!

-- I play alot in open tunings in home. I will not need to tune and retune my acoustic ever so often anymore.

-- I play in cover band that has songs that have verses w/ acoustic and chorus w/electric (Coldplay etc.). No problem.

-- We play Tsunami by Manic Street Preachers. I can now play it w/sitar sound on verses and rock out the chorus with distortion.

-- We had to transpose some song to fit our singer range. I can now (well, actually then...) play correct  voicings.

-- I've always wanted to try nashville strung baritone tuning (Pat Metheny's One Quiet Night or Joe Beck's alto tuning). Now I can.

-- I have dabbled w/5 string banjo years ago. thing I will be able to simulate five string banjo with virtual capo by tuning a-string octave higher g.  

-- My older daughter asks almost daily about arrival of the red guitar ("have you forgotten the red guitar?").

I think in the future add MIDI w/Roland stuff there too. 

Sorry for the sharpness of my reply.  There have been imposters on this forum, people whose only aim was to bash without anything constructive.  I was presumptuous and I apologize for that.

I'll love it too.   I've had my US69 on order for a while now.  They said late January, which -- depending on whether there are tweaks or manufacturing hitches -- could theoretically shift into Feb, maybe even March.  I'm okay with that, because I have a couple other guitars I can play.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by Sampo72 on 2010-12-30 04:16:54

Everything is cool!! 

As many guitars I may have already I always think that "the next one is the best one". I guess used to think that "the next one is the last one" but I don't believe it and my wife does not believe it so I don't even bother with that one anymore. Heh!



Re: Expected Release Date???
by Goocher on 2010-12-30 04:41:06

Sampo72 wrote:

... but I am frustrated. I sold a guitar to finance this that I probably should not have done, so I am having sellers remorse too.

Wow, your brought back some memories.  Speaking of seller's remorse... back in 2003, I sold my rare white Steinberger GL4T-Pro.  Why, you ask?    Let me tell you: to buy the original Variax!  This was just before Steinberger stopped making high-end guitars and just after they were consumed by Gibson.  Foolish sale.  Now the darn thing would cost me anywhere from US$3000 to US$7000, used.  I think I paid $2200 at the time, which seemed steep.  But, I got what I paid for.  It was hands-down the most beautiful-sounding and -playing instrument I've ever owned.  Just sweet tone.  I sold it on eBay, and I bet the luthier who purchased it had done his homework.  He very likely knew how rare it was (I sure didn't).  I have compared every other guitar to that Steiny.  But I just HAD to have this new (in 2003) guitar modeling technology, with money left over to buy other stuff.  Oh well.  Live and learn, sometimes the hard way.

That's not to say I didn't get a lot of use out of the original Variax.  My remorse had nothing to do with the Variax.  That Steiny was simply in a league of its own.  I didn't know what I had till "she" was gone.   That's one reason I'm looking forward to the the JTV69US.  It's fine instrument in its own right. Plus, it has the new Variax magic built in.  That's the best of all worlds for me.

Here are some pictures I found online of the Steinberger GL4T-Pro.  Don't let looks deceive you.  It was a like butter:

http://memberfiles.freewebs.com/90/47/31964790/photos/-Steinberger-GT-Pro/gl4%20web%20site%20pic.jpeg

http://www.guitar-museum.com/guitar-45671-Steinberger-GL4T-White



Re: Expected Release Date???
by sparkyERTW on 2010-12-30 06:01:51

Line6RichRenken wrote:

None went to Canada in this first shipment. I am sure that some from the shipment in two weeks will be going to Canada. I will know soon and let you know.

Fudge.  Ah well; I suppose I shouldn't be surprised, and at least now I won't be wondering.  I will be quite disappointed, though, if the next shipment isn't enough to put on in my hands.  Thanks for the update, Rich, and I look forward to hearing about the next shipment.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by stevejbailey7777 on 2010-12-30 06:48:53

I suspect that every one on this forum is in the same boat.  The wind has died and the sails are still. We drift around aimlessly in the vast ocean, waiting in earnest for that invisible energy force to drive the ship forward.  Our captain called "Stand fast and steady lads!".

Grumbles of discontent are heard in every quarter, as feelings of mutiny abound.

"Seven months I've been at sea!" groaned a seaman,

"Aye! An' still no sign of the Treasure Island!" moaned another.

"Patience my lucky lads!" spoke the Captain, "When we reach the Island, you'll have more wealth than you could imagine".

"Without wind in our sails we'll be getting nought!!" cursed the sail maker.

"The journey be longer than we thut ..." began an old seadog, "... But mark me well, if the capt'n sez it's worth it, then I reckon I'll bide me time".

"Sold me shackles to come on this voyage!" informed one,

"Aye me too!" confirmed another,

The old seadog smiled to himself, for he too had made sacrifices to be on the voyage - he said nothing.

A slight breeze filled the sails enough to drive the ship forward by a couple of knots.  A rousing cheer was heard and then silenced as a member of the crew complained,

"What good is this ... for sure it'll still take us month to get there!!"

With a gusty laugh the seadog bellowed "What cannot be changed must be accepted!"

"Use the time wisely to cherish new comrades.  Exchange ideas for the future and learn skills from one another.  This too is a treasure of equal value to that which we all seek."

Some just scoffed and turned their backs continuing to mutter and groan.  The wisest took notice of the old seadog and enriched their skills.  The USS Line6 continued on its voyage
and the old sea dog sat and read another book of knowledge.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by Johan_de_Greyze on 2010-12-30 07:40:42

Hey Steve

Nice story, I would say ....land ahead!!

Jan



Re: Expected Release Date???
by jayson2 on 2010-12-30 13:25:44

Line6RichRenken wrote:

None went to Canada in this first shipment. I am sure that some from the shipment in two weeks will be going to Canada. I will know soon and let you know.

Hey Rich,

Thanks for the update.  Just to clarify, is that shipment in two weeks from Korea to Line 6 for final setup or from Line 6 to dealers?

Cheers,

jayson



Re: Expected Release Date???
by sparkyERTW on 2010-12-31 05:58:49

jayson2 wrote:

Line6RichRenken wrote:

None went to Canada in this first shipment. I am sure that some from the shipment in two weeks will be going to Canada. I will know soon and let you know.

Hey Rich,

Thanks for the update.  Just to clarify, is that shipment in two weeks from Korea to Line 6 for final setup or from Line 6 to dealers?

Cheers,

jayson

Hopefully Rich clarifies, but my bet would be the former.  Let's see... it was right at the beginning of the month Rich told us there was a "boat on the ocean"... assuming it just left, it was 4 weeks before Line 6 started sending them to distributers.  Assuming a week to get from Line 6 to the distributer to your door (which might be a little optimistic), we're looking at about 7 weeks.

Ugh.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by johnnyayyy on 2011-01-02 18:59:29

With all the sites I have seen showing "expected Jan 6" I would bet some people will have their JTVs by the coming weekend, ...



Re: Expected Release Date???
by levisiebens on 2011-01-03 09:23:26

Probably not the right place to post this but I didn't want to start a whole new thread , for those of you that are looking for an alternative to the JTV's I would suggest the Roland VG-99.  I was one of those who had been waiting (not nearly as long, but since October) and I needed a new rig by the time Christmas rolled around.  I do have to say I'm really digging the VG-99 (and I purchased a new electric as well, an ESP EC-401VF which is just a killer guitar).  As far as I can tell the models aren't quite as good on the VG-99 as on the variax (but that's just from creating my own patches and listening to videos online...although after another listen they seem really close, with the acoustic models being better on the VG99) however in terms of funcitonality the VG-99 does a lot of stuff the Variax just doesn't (dual alt tuning paths, harmonies, synths, midi, etc).  So for those of you that have to have modeling, it may be worth checking out.

That being said, if I had unlimited funds, I'd be getting the JTV 59, AND the VG99 as well as the HD500.  You could do some crazy layring of dual outs from the HD500 and dual outs from the VG99 to have up to 4 guitars layered (as well as adding a midi instrument on top of that).  However since I can't afford that I'm personally using the VG99 modeling and then using my real pickups with my X3Live and it sounds awesome.

One note of hope, if you were in line for a black JTV59 through sweetwater, you're one position closer



Re: Expected Release Date???
by ozbadman on 2011-01-03 09:30:56

I respectfully disagree Lev. It was trying the VG99 that led me to get the Variax 700. The VG99 was not in the same league as the original Variax 700, so I would suggest anyone considering the VG99 to reconsider. The JTV will be a much better purchase than the VG99. The modelling on the VG99 on all models is not even close to the Variax/JTV modelling.

David.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by musicsingle on 2011-01-03 09:41:19

I bought a VG99 when they were first introduced and my 2 cents on the VG99 was, it was very sterile sounding with no dynamics in playing.   Last of all it wouldn't cut thru the mix in live use, probably because of absence in the dynamics.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by levisiebens on 2011-01-03 09:53:44

So when I play live, it's only me so I can't comment on how well it would sit in a mix...however that seems more like a mixing/eqing issue then anything else.  No offense intended but you can get great sound out of the VG99, however it takes A LOT of work...or at least a lot more work then what I'd expect for the JTV's or even the old variax's.  It took me almost 4 hours to get an acoustic tone that I loved.  That being said after I listened to the acoustic tones from the JTV demos (since I made a complelation video of the JTV's and threw it up on youtube from existing clips) I have to say that I like my acoustic tone better then what I've heard from the JTV's.  To me at the end of the day it's all about what you like, however I had dimissed the VG99 a couple of times because I think of roland as being a company that makes crappy effects, and all the demos from their website are just not that great.  However they presented the product really poorly, imo, and it is a lot better then what the perception of it is (there are great samples online too if anyone wants them).  As I said before though, it takes a real time investment to dial in the sound and I've been amazed at the results.  But as I said before, my dream would be both of these systems as they have distinct sounds, both of which are really great.  I just prefer having maximum flexibility (dual tone paths with seperate tuning for each model, midi, etc) and really tweak in my sound vs having what is potentially the best sounding models.  FWIW, if anyone has a JTV and wants to record some tones and do some comparisions that'd be awesome to give some comparision if anyone becomes interested.  I have no problem having the rig that tonaly doesn't sound quite as good and if it helps anyone out that's all I'd care about .  If you can't tell I don't have any brand loyality, all I care about is making the best music in my ears.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by musicsingle on 2011-01-03 10:30:29

I believe you are 100% right in your thinking.  Sometimes we don't consider the fundamental concepts that everyone plays differently and everyone hears

differently.  It's the total concept that counts for each individual musician.  So if this works for you, hey that's great.  I was just saying the VG99 didn't work in my situation, but the Variax did and I expressed the ways the 99 didn't work for me.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by Porkchop_Xpress on 2011-01-03 10:44:50

I'm going to have to disagree with you on Roland making crappy effects.  They are one of the world leaders of making useful effects built like tanks and they also gave us this gem:

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Re: Expected Release Date???
by Goocher on 2011-01-03 10:57:46

musicsingle wrote:

I believe you are 100% right in your thinking.  Sometimes we don't consider the fundamental concepts that everyone plays differently and everyone hears

differently.  It's the total concept that counts for each individual musician.  So if this works for you, hey that's great.  I was just saying the VG99 didn't work in my situation, but the Variax did and I expressed the ways the 99 didn't work for me.

Definitely agree.  Similar to how the same guitar in different hands just sounds different.

Also, he mentioned that took a lot of work to get things sounding the way he likes.  That's similar to my experience with the X3Live, once I decided to give it a second chance.  I learned how to edit the patches and then really liked it.  On the other hand, a friend of mine has never liked his X3Live and will probably sell it.

I think the main reason I never tried the VG99 was because I learned about it way too late.  I'd already owned a Variax 700 by then, and I'd owned the original Variax before that starting in '03.  I didn't start hearing about the VG99 till a few years ago.  I've never heard an audio clip of one (yet).  Since I owned and recorded with a POD2, that sorta created a "halo effect" when Line 6 introduced the Variax.  Plus, Line 6 sells the sizzle pretty well.  I guess a lot of pros didn't want to play a pickupless guitar live or for studio gigs.  But for the early adopters (or maybe just for me!), it was like, "Which internal organs can I sell to get a Variax?"

Just curious... how much did either of you pay for your VGA99?  Did the "overhead" of attaching the V99 gadgets to a guitar give you pause?  Sorry, just realize I'm drifting far off topic at this point.  I'll make it relevant to the thread by asking: Did Roland let people pre-order the VG99 for less than when it finally shipped?

EDIT:

Oops, thought I was in another thread where things had gotten way off topic.  Disregard last sentence above.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by germanicus on 2011-01-03 16:53:29

I have the vg99 as well as several variax's (300, 600, and 700 acoustic), a pod hd500, and soon a jtv69. The variax gets the edge in terms of modelling quality (especially the acoustic models), but the vg99 is superior in many other regards when looking at the whole package of features. I have no problem getting a dynamic tone out the 99. If all of a sudden all my gear were stolen and I had to choose between a variax/pod hd rig or a vg99 setup, id go for the vg99. For the total cost it does ALOT more, several things that the variax does not. Many folks may not want to have guitar-to-midi conversion, or dual virtual guitar chains (seperate guitar AND amp chains), or hrm synthesis (think pat metheny/allan holdsworths synth tone) so those extra features may not be worth it for them, but I have found them extremely useful. I also much prefer the vg99's accessibility to any guitar instead of being tied to just one like the variax.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by mulvennk on 2011-01-03 20:41:54

This from Musician's Friend:

"Currently these guitars are still due to arrive in our warehouse.  Depending on which JVT was ordered, you're looking at seeing these either the 10th of January or the 28th of January.  These are the estimated delivery dates from Line6.  It is possible that they may change."



Re: Expected Release Date???
by Johan_de_Greyze on 2011-01-05 02:31:32

My Music Supply store Peter Verspuij just phoned me. End of January a shipment will arrive in England and will be distributed from there to The Netherlands too. It is not yet clear what models will be part of the shipment. So I guess I will have to possess my soul in patience for some time

Congratulations to you guys who already have it or get it on short notice.

Jan



Re: Expected Release Date???
by U2acrobatNL on 2011-01-05 02:58:51

Cool. I have ordered directly from the UK because it was cheaper but let's see who gets his guitar the soonest.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by sparkyERTW on 2011-01-05 04:37:07

Johan_de_Greyze wrote:

My Music Supply store Peter Verspuij just phoned me. End of January a shipment will arrive in England and will be distributed from there to The Netherlands too. It is not yet clear what models will be part of the shipment. So I guess I will have to possess my soul in patience for some time

Congratulations to you guys who already have it or get it on short notice.

Jan

Hmm, if guitars from the second shipment are managing to arrive in England at the end of January, maybe there is hope for some Canadian arrivals the last week of January/first week of February.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by js_280 on 2011-01-05 06:22:35

Just received a shipping notice that my Tobacco Sunburst JTV-59 shipped from Musician's Friend!  Now the hardest part of the waiting comes...



Re: Expected Release Date???
by mulvennk on 2011-01-05 06:52:09

Me as well. I think I'll get a chair and sit by the front door - like a cat..



Re: Expected Release Date???
by levisiebens on 2011-01-05 08:31:49

So just to take it off topic one last time, the VG99 w/the required pickup was 1500 (don't tell my wife).  Did it give me pause adding it to my guitar, it didn't...till I got it then it took me about 1 1/2 hours to get it on the guitar.  This was due to me using the sticky tape that comes with it as getting the pickup at the right height was a challenge (there are multiple mounting methods, using the bridge, screwing it to the guitar, etc, I used this as it was the least invasive and I had just restrung my guitar).  Now that it's on though I think it looks pretty good and works great.  And just to make it related, since it worked on my LP style guitar I got I'm guessing it would work well on the variax.

And to be totally on topic, now with the gutiars actually shipping, does that mean the expected release date has been met...or at least a release date, or will that only happen when you can walk into a store and play/purchase one of these guitars?  Truthfully I still would like to play one of these instruments, so I'm wondering if anyone has any thoughts of when that might happen...



Re: Expected Release Date???
by Goocher on 2011-01-05 09:28:44

levisiebens wrote:

So just to take it off topic one last time, the VG99 w/the required pickup was 1500 (don't tell my wife).  Did it give me pause adding it to my guitar, it didn't...till I got it then it took me about 1 1/2 hours to get it on the guitar.  This was due to me using the sticky tape that comes with it as getting the pickup at the right height was a challenge (there are multiple mounting methods, using the bridge, screwing it to the guitar, etc, I used this as it was the least invasive and I had just restrung my guitar).  Now that it's on though I think it looks pretty good and works great.  And just to make it related, since it worked on my LP style guitar I got I'm guessing it would work well on the variax.

And to be totally on topic, now with the gutiars actually shipping, does that mean the expected release date has been met...or at least a release date, or will that only happen when you can walk into a store and play/purchase one of these guitars?  Truthfully I still would like to play one of these instruments, so I'm wondering if anyone has any thoughts of when that might happen...

Whoa.  If you put the VG99 pickup on your JTV, you'll look like Pat Metheny on stage. :-)  That would be a lot of fun to mess with.  Two modeled tones at the same time.

Which has me thinking.  Someday way in the future -- like in the year 2000 -- maybe Line 6 will update the Vx so players can use two (or more!) tone models at the same time from a single Variax?  Woo-hoo!  The holy grail of electric and acoustic tone at the same time.  And they'll include the ability to dial in a subtle "2nd player" randomized time-shifting effect so that one of the tones actually sounds like a 2nd guitarist, and not just the same guy with two layers of tone.  I can dream.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by levisiebens on 2011-01-05 09:36:32

The time shifting idea is awesome but the dual modeled tone output was what I was originally expecting for about a month after I found out about the guitar and I was sad when I found out that wasn't the case.  Well maybe in the next version



Re: Expected Release Date???
by Goocher on 2011-01-05 09:47:48

levisiebens wrote:

The time shifting idea is awesome but the dual modeled tone output was what I was originally expecting for about a month after I found out about the guitar and I was sad when I found out that wasn't the case.  Well maybe in the next version

  I hadn't even considered that the JTV might offer dual-tone.  That's pretty cool.  In fact, I'd never considered it till your VG99 + JTV suggestion above.

You know, somebody on one of the POD HD threads mentioned limitiations with the HD500's dual tone capabilities.  Like, having two amps and a modest number of effects causes it to bottom out.  Line 6 advertises "dynamic DSP" like it's a feature, but it's obviously compensation for the mismatch between complexity of the models vs. the actual DSP to process them.  I'm not complaining, I'm just calling it what it really is.

I wonder if the JTV team decided to forgo potential DSP bottlenecks and just concentrate on a great single-tone instrument.  Tell you what, I've got a JTV69US on order, and if they ever offered a dual-tone Variax, I'd pre-order one of those in a heartbeat! (And probably sell the JTV that I already had.)



Re: Expected Release Date???
by defkaf on 2011-01-05 09:48:37

That's one feature I am hoping to implement almost right away, although not two modeled tones. With the HD500 and a VDI cable I want to use the pickups through one channel and a modeled tone through the other. Multiple modeled tones would definately be even better.

A randomized time shift on the one modeled tone I will get would be very nice.

Hope I see Cherry Burst 59 soon, haven't heard from my dealer yet.

Don



Re: Expected Release Date???
by Goocher on 2011-01-05 09:55:04

defkaf wrote:

That's one feature I am hoping to implement almost right away, although not two modeled tones. With the HD500 and a VDI cable I want to use the pickups through one channel and a modeled tone through the other. Multiple modeled tones would definately be even better.

A randomized time shift on the one modeled tone I will get would be very nice.

Hope I see Cherry Burst 59 soon, haven't heard from my dealer yet.

Don

There's probably a way to simulate that randomized time-shifting thing on one of your tones; seems doable right now, I think.  I bet one of the delay effects could be used, especially one that has adjustable "warble," where it creates the "speed up and slow down" effect.  If it could be set to be more "random" (the speeding up/slowing down pattern)... that would really cool.  (Haven't tried it! But it sure sounds possible!)



Re: Expected Release Date???
by variaxlover on 2011-01-05 10:17:03

Goocher wrote:

"Woo-hoo! The holy grail of electric and acoustic tone at the same time. "

I didn't know this was a "holy grail" kind of experience.  I've been doing it for years with my $400 Parker P-36 and there are lots of other guitars (such as the Gibson Dark Fire and Les Paul Standard 2010 Limited) that also feature this capability.  The Parker has an extra 3-way switch for acoustic, electric or both, with a separate volume knob for the piezos) which by the way are LOUDER than the mag pickups.  With the Gibsons I can or go straight acoustic or dial in any amount of acoustic tone I want to any of the other 8 "Chameleon Tones".  This adds a nice edge, especially for their Strat and Tele models.

And:

"they'll include the ability to dial in a subtle "2nd player" time-shifting effect . . . I can dream."

No need to dream -- the Vetta has offered this from the very start. It's called the "Double Tracker" and you can adjust the timing, pitch, and dynamics of your "2nd guitarist".  In the manual they say the timing control is sometimes referred to as "the 'Drunk" knob', since the farther up you turn it, the more beers that other guitarist had."  I have used this a lot, especially for leads -- it really fattens up the sound.

A text search through the POD HD500 advanced manual yields not a single match for "tracking" or "tracker", and searching for "double" only gets you "double-press" or "double-tap", so apparently Line 6 has abandoned the Double Tracking that was so highly touted back in 2002 when the Vetta came out.  Why is that??

Ya know what?  Reading through these manuals makes me want to dust off my old Vetta II combo and FBV Longboard, and sell my HD500.  Maybe the sounds are a "little" better now, but ease of use has REALLY suffered and many of my favorite features are gone.  I know, I'm starting to sound like MerlinFL . . .



Re: Expected Release Date???
by Goocher on 2011-01-05 10:31:37

variaxlover wrote:

Goocher wrote:

"Woo-hoo! The holy grail of electric and acoustic tone at the same time. "

I didn't know this was a "holy grail" kind of experience.  I've been doing it for years with my $400 Parker P-36 and there are lots of other guitars (such as the Gibson Dark Fire and Les Paul Standard 2010 Limited) that also feature this capability.  The Parker has an extra 3-way switch for acoustic, electric or both, with a separate volume knob for the piezos) which by the way are LOUDER than the mag pickups.  With the Gibsons I can or go straight acoustic or dial in any amount of acoustic tone I want to any of the other 8 "Chameleon Tones".  This adds a nice edge, especially for their Strat and Tele models.

And:

"they'll include the ability to dial in a subtle "2nd player" time-shifting effect . . . I can dream."

No need to dream -- the Vetta has offered this from the very start. It's called the "Double Tracker" and you can adjust the timing, pitch, and dynamics of your "2nd guitarist".  In the manual they say the timing control is sometimes referred to as "the 'Drunk" knob', since the farther up you turn it, the more beers that other guitarist had."  I have used this a lot, especially for leads -- it really fattens up the sound.

A text search through the POD HD500 advanced manual yields not a single match for "tracking" or "tracker", and searching for "double" only gets you "double-press" or "double-tap", so apparently Line 6 has abandoned the Double Tracking that was so highly touted back in 2002 when the Vetta came out.  Why is that??

Ya know what?  Reading through these manuals makes me want to dust off my old Vetta II combo and FBV Longboard, and sell my HD500.  Maybe the sounds are a "little" better now, but ease of use has REALLY suffered and many of my favorite features are gone.  I know, I'm starting to sound like MerlinFL . . .

Shows how in the dark I am. I couldn't recall a decent example from a POD.  Very cool that the Vetta had that.  Now I see why you Vetta owners really talk it up.  Sounds like it had (has!) sweet DSP.  I haven't looked through the bajillion cool patches in my Ultra, but I bet there's one in there like you've described.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by favance on 2011-01-05 11:44:19

On the Ultra, it's called "Enhancer"... It acts exactly like the Vetta "Double Tracker".  It requires you operate in stereo mode.  Something that will be difficult for the DT50.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by johnnyayyy on 2011-01-05 12:21:11

variaxlover wrote:


Ya know what?  Reading through these manuals makes me want to dust off my old Vetta II combo and FBV Longboard, and sell my HD500.  Maybe the sounds are a "little" better now, but ease of use has REALLY suffered and many of my favorite features are gone.  I know, I'm starting to sound like MerlinFL . . .

"Simple" solution... skip the Longboard, use the HD500 to control the Vetta midi cc, use both Vettas, keep the DT-50 and combine all 3 amps and the HD500 for the ultimate MEGA-RIG with the 39 cable method!

Ease of use will be a long forgotten dream, but you will get all of the improved tones of the HD/DT AND the Vetta specific features on tap when you want them.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by johnnyayyy on 2011-01-05 12:28:38

Goocher wrote:

Now I see why you Vetta owners really talk it up.

Not the greatest sounding, but man can it do lots of tricks!



Re: Expected Release Date???
by WSheehey on 2011-01-05 12:49:59

Actually, the Enhancer on the AxeFx Ultra isn't anything like the Double Tracker on the Vetta.  It's an effect.  The Enhancer, or more accurately, the Stereo Enhancer is used to create seperation between the left and right outputs - of the existing chain.  The Double Tracker is two distinct chains in which different amps, cabs, effects, eq, etc. can fall.

The AxeFx can, of course, operate like the Double Tracker because there are up to two amp and two cab emulations possible at the same time.  You could sum those or run each one out of each stereo side.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by johnnyayyy on 2011-01-05 13:19:32

Goocher wrote:

maybe Line 6 will update the Vx so players can use two (or more!) tone models at the same time from a single Variax? Woo-hoo!  The holy grail of electric and acoustic tone at the same time.

Can't we do this already with a JTV and an HD500? Not two modeled tones but the mags on the JTV (I believe the bridge pickup also splits for single coil use according to the Guitarist Magazine demo vid) and a modeled acoustic, VDI to HD500 and two separate tone paths... I think the X3Live can do this also...?

Goocher wrote:

Someday way in the future -- like in the year 2000



Re: Expected Release Date???
by orion8251 on 2011-01-05 14:59:30

My Sweetwater sales rep just sent me an email that basically said that Line 6 has confirmed an initial shipment of JTV's to them.  He didn't know the specifics as far as how many of each type, but expects them within a few days.  He said that I'm near the top of their list for a black 59 so now I just have to wait semi-patiently for news. 



Re: Expected Release Date???
by jyflorida on 2011-01-05 16:21:19

I had cancelled my order when I got operated on a couple months back since I didn't know what my expenses would be like.  I got to re-order on Christmas day!!  Very cool, but I'll probably be getting it around May! 



Re: Expected Release Date???
by levisiebens on 2011-01-05 16:38:15

So that's what made me lean toward the VG99 as it actually has dual tone paths, so I can get a sitar and acoustic, each with their own tunings simultaniously.  Currently I'm doing one modeled + the actual pickups from my guitar (as one other person pointed out they were going to do with the Variax).  However, if you had the JTV + VG99 you could get 3 seperate instruments with their own models and digital tunings.  Use the real pickups on the JTV and then you have 4 instruments and then add in the fact that the VG99 does midi and you have five .  Personally I'm just going for my four right now (2 models from VG99, 1 from my guitar's real pickups through and X3L and midi at some point) but there are some wicked sonic possibilities by combining the modeling stuff together.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by Goocher on 2011-01-06 05:48:58

levisiebens wrote:

So that's what made me lean toward the VG99 as it actually has dual tone paths, so I can get a sitar and acoustic, each with their own tunings simultaniously.  Currently I'm doing one modeled + the actual pickups from my guitar (as one other person pointed out they were going to do with the Variax).  However, if you had the JTV + VG99 you could get 3 seperate instruments with their own models and digital tunings.  Use the real pickups on the JTV and then you have 4 instruments and then add in the fact that the VG99 does midi and you have five .  Personally I'm just going for my four right now (2 models from VG99, 1 from my guitar's real pickups through and X3L and midi at some point) but there are some wicked sonic possibilities by combining the modeling stuff together.

You are approaching immortality, my friend.   You know the moment you get it all setup and working, you will transform into Dr. Manhatten or Aslan, and angels will sing.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by pappywatts on 2011-01-06 06:30:41

Well! First off..... Congrats to all new JTV owners on here, meanwhile the non- owners still waiting in the UK and Europe

will have to choke on their souls until the shipments arrive....end of January?...it could even be early Spring...

Just an opinion, for all you tweakers and customisers, and " I want seven different tones all at once, wall of sound types"...

Yes there has been synth guitar modelling for quite a while, with roland kit , godin, and all the clones and amp modellers.

Also the customising freaks( I'm one) who want their strat to sound like a Paul, and vice versa, and can we also have midi control

with outputs to sequencers, and a zillion different amps.

You all have way too much time on your hands, and are spoilt for choice...what happens when you get a power cut...Silence!

Will you have a  spare flat top tuned and ready at the gig ?...as the Meerkats say ...keep it simples...



Re: Expected Release Date???
by defkaf on 2011-01-06 09:41:18

OK, I'm pumped!

Just got off the phone, my 59 will ship today or tomorrow (I vote for today). Sounds like many are being trucked across the US to anxious pickers as we speak (write?).

Elderly contacted me yesterday using my home email, so I didn't get the message until after they were closed last evening. Bummer, it could have shipped yesterday if I had monitored that mail box from work.

Haven't checked the other threads to see if more than the first two have been received, but I'm on my where there right after I hit the send button. Hope quality and set up is all we were hoping for. I guess more of us will know by the time I get mine on Monday.

Cheers,

Don



Re: Expected Release Date???
by ghoffman on 2011-01-06 10:31:37

Now you have me excited as I ordered a cherry sunburst JTV59 from Elderly last June.  I spoke with them yesterday and added a little clip on tuner for my accoustic guitar to my order.  They did not mention that any JTVs had arrived.  Which one did you order?  It appears that the JTV69s are the first to arrive.  Hope yours gets there soon.  Be sure to post on this forum the details when it arrives.  Even my wife keeps asking when this D@#$^ guitar will get in as she hates the look of my Vax300.  I think she is getting tired of me talking about it.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by variaxlover on 2011-01-06 10:38:30

UPS says my sunburst JTV 69 will be delivered tomorrow!  Since it only has to travel from Albuquerque to Denver, I might even believe them.  So I'm anticipating a fun weekend trying it out.  If it's not everything I'm hoping for you will find it on eBay by Sunday night.  ;^)  All of you who didn't preorder but don't want to pay $1399, it's time to start looking on eBay because some of these from the initial batch just might show up there (even if I keep mine).



Re: Expected Release Date???
by mulvaneyryan on 2011-01-06 10:51:50

So stoked, my black 69 is on a truck somewhere in IL on it's way to Detroit.  Can't wait to report back.  This is my first variax so I'm almost like a kid on Chirstmas.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by defkaf on 2011-01-06 10:52:55

When I ordered my JTV59 Cherry Burst from Elderly in August I was told that there was one already on order for someone else. Hopefully they'll be in touch with you pretty soon.

The email I got from them yesterday was around 9:30 AM IIRC.

Your comment about adding things to the order reminds me, I intended to add a VDI cable to the order this morning when I talked to them, forgot all about it.

Best of luck on your guitar,

Don



Re: Expected Release Date???
by rafreema on 2011-01-06 11:01:05

Oh happy day.  UPS tracking number says my black variax is on the truck to be delivered today.  Funny thing is, today happens to be my birthday.  Happy birthday to me, happy birthday to me .....   Good luck everybody.  The long wait is over.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by variaxlover on 2011-01-06 11:07:27

THAT is awesome!  Happy Birthday and welcome (finally) to the wonderful world of Variax. 

My mom's birthday is tomorrow and that's the day my '69 will arrive.  I'll have to call and congratulate her.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by scotterp on 2011-01-06 11:28:01

My JTV69 (black) is expected to be delivered tomorrow was well. I leave for a business trip Saturday morning and I'm hoping to take it with me, otherwise I'll have to wait until I get back home next Wednesday night.

FYI - I ordered mine in October from Musiciansfriend. Interestingly, I got an email from the on Dec 24th that the order had been automatically cancelled due to how long it had been on backorder. I called them up immediately to get it ordered again. They generated a new PO for it and the rep couldn't really tell me whether I'd lost my "place" in line or not. Apparently not if it has already shipped.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by ghoffman on 2011-01-06 12:15:24

Just spoke to Elderly.  My JTV59CSB came in Tuesday and they are proceesing it now.  I do not mind waiting the extra few days (since I ordered it in June) as they have an extensive new instrument inspection and setup procedure before they ship out any guitar.  Hopefully I will get it early next week.  Woohoo



Re: Expected Release Date???
by rafreema on 2011-01-06 14:05:23

I went through the same thing with Musicians Friend.  I ordered late Sept.  MF did an auto cancel on 12/02.  I reordered the same day.  After Christmas I got a little impatient and on Jan 4th asked MF if they had a new backorder date.  They said 1/28/11.  Same day I get notice that my black JTV-69 had shipped. Go figure.

I'm home now and have my variax in hand.  So far it looks great.  I'm charging the battery and letting the guitar get up to room temperature before plugging it in.  So far so good.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by jyflorida on 2011-01-06 14:14:36

I wonder how competent the people at MF are - I just called regarding my order and was told that NO JTVs will ship until 1/28/11 since they're all on backorder.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by rafreema on 2011-01-06 14:32:27

Yea, there does seem to be problem with MF.  The people on the phones and customer interface don't seem to know what's really going on in MF.  Keep the faith and keep checking your inbox for a shipping notice.  Good luck.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by mulvennk on 2011-01-06 17:29:20

I ordered mine (JTV 59 tobacco sunburst) through MF and it's on the truck coming tomorrow (I've been tracking.)



Re: Expected Release Date???
by js_280 on 2011-01-06 18:42:59

mulvennk wrote:

I ordered mine (JTV 59 tobacco sunburst) through MF and it's on the truck coming tomorrow (I've been tracking.)

Same here (Model, color, store and estimated delivery date).



Re: Expected Release Date???
by RichRenken on 2011-01-07 02:34:52

Hey guys, I was up in Hayward getting that first batch out the door last week. We will receive more in a couple weeks. Some of those will go to Canada. Also, the first UK shipment will be in the UK in about 3 weeks. I am going over there to oversee them off the line and set up a few myself there as well. Hang in there guys. We are going to be ramping up production over the coming months. We wanted to go a bit slower and give our factory the time to ease into this very different guitar. Compared to a couple pickups, pots and a switch, the Variax is quite complicated. They have been doing a great job and we will get this up to speed as fast as possible but will not go faster than what it takes to get the quality right.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by bigjase on 2011-01-07 03:43:28

Hey Rich,

Thanks for the updates. Do you know when the first shipment is comming to Australia? My local Line 6 dealer has 2 on pre order with the local distributor and one of them is mine.

Cheers,

Jason



Re: Expected Release Date???
by CliveCalcutt on 2011-01-07 04:34:59

Line6RichRenken wrote:

Hey guys, I was up in Hayward getting that first batch out the door last week. We will receive more in a couple weeks. Some of those will go to Canada. Also, the first UK shipment will be in the UK in about 3 weeks. I am going over there to oversee them off the line and set up a few myself there as well. Hang in there guys. We are going to be ramping up production over the coming months. We wanted to go a bit slower and give our factory the time to ease into this very different guitar. Compared to a couple pickups, pots and a switch, the Variax is quite complicated. They have been doing a great job and we will get this up to speed as fast as possible but will not go faster than what it takes to get the quality right.

Wow - so when I get mine (69 sunburst, from Sound Affects) it might actually have been touched by Rich! Even more reason to look forward to that happy day.

Clive



Re: Expected Release Date???
by jyflorida on 2011-01-07 05:15:28

Thank you for the update Rich.

FYI, Musician's Friend is now showing a Feb. 28 date for Variax availability for the JTV69 candy apple red, Feb. 7 for the black & the sunburst, Jan 24 for the blue.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by sparkyERTW on 2011-01-07 05:22:53

Line6RichRenken wrote:


We will receive more in a couple weeks. Some of those will go to Canada.

Sweet!  Thanks for the info, Rich.  I guess I'll have to pass the time over the next few weeks having maple-syrup chugging contests with my pet beaver (that's right, I'm keeping the Canadian mythology alive).



Re: Expected Release Date???
by litesnsirens on 2011-01-07 06:06:19

Send a bunch up to Canada.. we have electricity up here and everything, so we'll be able to take full advantage of the features.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by stevejbailey7777 on 2011-01-07 09:13:00



Re: Expected Release Date???
by js_280 on 2011-01-07 14:43:33

Wow, I got my JTV-59 today and managed to spend all of 15 minutes playing on it at lunch.  I must say, this is an INCREDIBLE guitar.  The action, finish, fret dressing, everything is flawless.  Can't wait to get home and try it out properly.

Congrats to Line 6, y'all really hit it out of the park with this one...



Re: Expected Release Date???
by orion8251 on 2011-01-07 15:17:16

Where did you get yours from, js_280?  You seem to have gotten first 59 by forum members.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by DragonRM on 2011-01-07 17:23:27

Whee! my jtv89 blood red is otw from sweetwater... can finally finish my dt50 212/hd500/variax combo



Re: Expected Release Date???
by js_280 on 2011-01-07 21:36:50

orion8251 wrote:

Where did you get yours from, js_280?  You seem to have gotten first 59 by forum members.

Tobacco Sunburst from Musician's Friend.  Pre-ordered in November.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by scott93933 on 2011-01-08 08:07:40

I ordered a 69 (blue) at Guitar Center in Gilroy, California in early December and they told me that they'd charge my credit card when the guitar was shipped from their shipping center and on its way to their store. I just checked my credit card online and found that they charged my account on Thursday, 6 January, so the guitar should have shipped then. They also told me it would take 3-5 business days to reach the store in Gilroy, so I'm guessing that it will arrive sometime next week.

I can't wait. I'm going to play it for a few days and then ship it off to Sustainiac to have a Stealth Pro sustainer added to the neck position. This just might end up being my dream guitar...

I have actually had a dream about playing it. The last time I was so excited about a new guitar that I had a dream about it was in college (30 years ago) as I was saving up for cream colored G&L Strat. I had a dream that Jimi Hendrix and I were sitting in my living room, trading solos back and forth. Well, it's 30 years later and I still can't play like him.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by jtravisiii on 2011-01-09 05:01:31

I am thinking about the same thing --- can you let me know how well this turned out.



Registration
by jtravisiii on 2011-01-11 19:30:53

How do I register mine. It got here in Stafford VA yesterday, When I went to register, your site did not give me a choice of any Tyler Variax -- help? Also I want to update the SW.



Re: Registration
by MartinHines on 2011-01-11 19:42:18

On another thread someone said they hit the "Register Later" option and this allowed them to continue to download the firmware update.



Re: Registration
by jtravisiii on 2011-01-12 16:38:01

You are right -- I did that and it allowed me to get the firmware update. BTW: I reported this to LINE6 and here is what they said

Header 1

Hello,
Sorry for the wait. JTV registration will be available soon.  Please stay tuned.
Thank,
Line6



Re: Expected Release Date???
by DragonRM on 2011-01-13 14:00:45

Got my Blood Red 89 today! Easily the most impressive guitar I've seen out of Korea... might set the action a bit lower but it's really easy to play and the placement of knobs etc are all great. The rosewood neck freatboard feels great, too... can't wait to really sit down and play with it



Re: Expected Release Date???
by jyflorida on 2011-02-03 09:40:35

I just checked Musician's Friend and they've bumped the date back on most colors of the 59 and 69 to March 7.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by digiprod on 2011-02-03 10:53:57

Just got an email from Sweetwater. The JTV-69 in Blue I pre-ordered in September has been bumped yet again. Now they claim second week of March!!!! Have no idea if this will happen either of course.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by laelamiles on 2011-02-03 10:59:55

And yet the JTV-89 sits there stocked, and no one is picking them up.  I guess they should have allocated more 59's and 69's instead of 89's.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by digiprod on 2011-02-03 11:05:37

laelamiles wrote:

And yet the JTV-89 sits there stocked, and no one is picking them up.  I guess they should have allocated more 59's and 69's instead of 89's.

Yes I agree. I am not that upset as I pretty much thought this would happen anyway. Maybe the build issues and problems will be resolved. I hope they are being delayed for this reason. I also have JTV-59 order placed since September with RMC Audio and have heard nothing in a few weeks. I am sure I will not see that until at least March. Remember all the people on the forum wishing they would see them by Xmas?



Re: Expected Release Date???
by zeddd on 2011-02-03 11:11:32

I'm in Canada, and I ordered a blue JTV-69 just a week ago. Apparently the order is expected to be fulfilled by mid-February, as the supplier is expecting a shipment to arrive this week. But of course they may not actually get that shipment.

If Line 6 did commit to making a shipment to the Canadian supplier, and haven't shipped any of these guitars to Canada previously, then perhaps I may get lucky and have a shorter wait time than those of you in the States. We'll see.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by jealousblues on 2011-02-03 11:20:50

heres what I got from emailing where I ordered mine from

"It looks like we are now waiting until March for these to come in....  this is beginning to sound familiar hearing that it is going to be a  year, 6 weeks at a time."

seems like many people are getting frustrated waiting.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by sparkyERTW on 2011-02-03 11:32:39

zeddd wrote:

I'm in Canada, and I ordered a blue JTV-69 just a week ago. Apparently the order is expected to be fulfilled by mid-February, as the supplier is expecting a shipment to arrive this week. But of course they may not actually get that shipment.

If Line 6 did commit to making a shipment to the Canadian supplier, and haven't shipped any of these guitars to Canada previously, then perhaps I may get lucky and have a shorter wait time than those of you in the States. We'll see.

When you say supplier, do you mean they were saying the Canadian distributer (who I believe is in Montreal) was getting them this week?  Maybe they did arrive on the 17th like Rich predicted and nothing ever got announced.  Well, here's hoping...

Out of curiosity, Zeddd, what did they price it at?  I've had one on order since before the prices got raised, and I'm curious whether they have bumped it up (even though they were already more expensive in the first place).



Re: Expected Release Date???
by jyflorida on 2011-02-03 11:37:27

Hopefully he's kidding about a year.  If a year's wait is true, I'll cancel and go with my other choice; the Wolfgang Special.  It almost came to a coin toss to decide between the two.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by digiprod on 2011-02-03 11:48:48

In a few months it will be a year for some... I have been in waiting 6 months already.

Let's hope they slowed down shipments to fix and improve the product!



Re: Expected Release Date???
by zeddd on 2011-02-03 11:54:51

sparkyERTW wrote:

When you say supplier, do you mean they were saying the Canadian distributer (who I believe is in Montreal) was getting them this week?  Maybe they did arrive on the 17th like Rich predicted and nothing ever got announced.  Well, here's hoping...

Out of curiosity, Zeddd, what did they price it at?  I've had one on order since before the prices got raised, and I'm curious whether they have bumped it up (even though they were already more expensive in the first place).



Hey Sparky,

Yeah... the supplier/distributor (which I believe is in Montreal). They gave my retailer an estimated arrival time of the guitar to my local store (in Vancouver) as simply "mid-February".

The price for the blue JTV-69 was listed in their system as $1449, and $1399 for the red and other models. As much as I didn't want to pay extra, I decided that the blue was the most pleasing of the available options, and worth the extra $50 if that is what I end up having to pay. I will try to talk them down the $50 when it actually comes in, since other retailers seem to be selling the colours for the same price.

How much did you order yours for?

Zeddd



Re: Expected Release Date???
by MartinHines on 2011-02-03 12:48:14

jyflorida wrote:

Hopefully he's kidding about a year.  If a year's wait is true, I'll cancel and go with my other choice; the Wolfgang Special.  It almost came to a coin toss to decide between the two.

Guitars are being built and shipped.  Line 6 has already shipped a "few hundred" in the initial shipment to the U.S.  The big delay was last summer, when they decided to change the specs and some suppliers.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by DragonRM on 2011-02-03 13:06:17

Been enjoying the 89 but still wish it had a trem... maybe I'll trade up when the US ones come out... but loving the options. The 12 string stuff has sounded great with the hd500 in some of the recordings I've tried so far.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by wahwah666 on 2011-02-03 13:13:12

Yep, fed up waiting here. I'm also thinking that at this price for the JTV's, they should have a hard case...guitars sold at a similar price do. My Peavey Wolfgangs and Musicmans do. Maybe at £799 (the beginning price) they could get away with it but I think now you're looking at £1100 plus they should be supplied with a hard case...just my two penneth.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by artnpam on 2011-02-03 13:14:31

DragonRM wrote:

Been enjoying the 89 but still wish it had a trem... maybe I'll trade up when the US ones come out... but loving the options. The 12 string stuff has sounded great with the hd500 in some of the recordings I've tried so far.

Just curious - what settings are you using on your HD500 for the acoustic sounds?

- Art



Re: Expected Release Date???
by sparkyERTW on 2011-02-03 13:37:48

zeddd wrote:

sparkyERTW wrote:

When you say supplier, do you mean they were saying the Canadian distributer (who I believe is in Montreal) was getting them this week?  Maybe they did arrive on the 17th like Rich predicted and nothing ever got announced.  Well, here's hoping...

Out of curiosity, Zeddd, what did they price it at?  I've had one on order since before the prices got raised, and I'm curious whether they have bumped it up (even though they were already more expensive in the first place).



Hey Sparky,

Yeah... the supplier/distributor (which I believe is in Montreal). They gave my retailer an estimated arrival time of the guitar to my local store (in Vancouver) as simply "mid-February".

The price for the blue JTV-69 was listed in their system as $1449, and $1399 for the red and other models. As much as I didn't want to pay extra, I decided that the blue was the most pleasing of the available options, and worth the extra $50 if that is what I end up having to pay. I will try to talk them down the $50 when it actually comes in, since other retailers seem to be selling the colours for the same price.

How much did you order yours for?

Zeddd

Pretty sure it was $1399 for the sunburst I ordered, so gladly it doesn't look like they've decided to jack the price.  If I'll have to check the receipt when I get home and I'll correct my post if I'm wrong.

Well, if the word from them a week ago is that they'll be arriving in the next couple weeks, I'll cross my fingers.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by jenningsmusic on 2011-02-03 13:42:34

wahwah666 wrote:

Yep, fed up waiting here. I'm also thinking that at this price for the JTV's, they should have a hard case...guitars sold at a similar price do. My Peavey Wolfgangs and Musicmans do. Maybe at £799 (the beginning price) they could get away with it but I think now you're looking at £1100 plus they should be supplied with a hard case...just my two penneth.

Yes, I made this point here awhile back and got jumped on for suggesting that they should include a hardshell case which would - in at least one person's opinion - jack up the price even more and hurt the people who prefer a gig bag. My point was that I've never seen a guitar this expensive that didn't come with a hard case and it shouldn't raise the price to include one. IMO, it's the least they could do to give us something for the price increase. I'm with ya, brother.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by jealousblues on 2011-02-03 13:43:53

I took it as him being annoyed that they have been pushed so far back already, but usually in increments of 6 weeks or so

(they were supposed to be released late summer, then sept, oct, nov, maybe xmas..ect)

not that they would be another year away

there is certainly some hyperbole involved im sure



Re: Expected Release Date???
by JB1973 on 2011-02-03 15:01:21

I have had a 59 and 69 on backorder from AMS ordered 12/31/10 to not have to pay for the price increase

my intent is to keep one, but since there is never going to be one at any music store locally I have to buy

two to find which model feels better to my hands. Of course if my experience is bad....

When I ordered I was told mid january which got changed to end january now they have posted

preorder 59s for available 2-4-11 which is tomorrow, we shall see on that... the 69s they are predicting

early march atm. So much for my try out both at same time theory looks like my return date will be up

before I see the second guitar now.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by artnpam on 2011-02-03 15:21:26

JB1973 wrote:

I have had a 59 and 69 on backorder from AMS ordered 12/31/10 to not have to pay for the price increase

my intent is to keep one, but since there is never going to be one at any music store locally I have to buy

two to find which model feels better to my hands. Of course if my experience is bad....

When I ordered I was told mid january which got changed to end january now they have posted

preorder 59s for available 2-4-11 which is tomorrow, we shall see on that... the 69s they are predicting

early march atm. So much for my try out both at same time theory looks like my return date will be up

before I see the second guitar now.

Where are you located?  I was thinking it would be cool if we had a thread with people that had already received their guitars and were willing to let others try them out.  It would help people like you who would like to try the different models without having to buy them first.  It was easy for me since I wanted a tremolo, so I got the 69.  I am in central Wisconsin so I would be happy to let someone try mine out.

- Art



Re: Expected Release Date???
by jayson2 on 2011-02-03 16:02:39

sparkyERTW wrote:

zeddd wrote:

sparkyERTW wrote:

When you say supplier, do you mean they were saying the Canadian distributer (who I believe is in Montreal) was getting them this week?  Maybe they did arrive on the 17th like Rich predicted and nothing ever got announced.  Well, here's hoping...

Out of curiosity, Zeddd, what did they price it at?  I've had one on order since before the prices got raised, and I'm curious whether they have bumped it up (even though they were already more expensive in the first place).

Hey Sparky,

Yeah... the supplier/distributor (which I believe is in Montreal). They gave my retailer an estimated arrival time of the guitar to my local store (in Vancouver) as simply "mid-February".

The price for the blue JTV-69 was listed in their system as $1449, and $1399 for the red and other models. As much as I didn't want to pay extra, I decided that the blue was the most pleasing of the available options, and worth the extra $50 if that is what I end up having to pay. I will try to talk them down the $50 when it actually comes in, since other retailers seem to be selling the colours for the same price.

How much did you order yours for?

Zeddd

Pretty sure it was $1399 for the sunburst I ordered, so gladly it doesn't look like they've decided to jack the price.  If I'll have to check the receipt when I get home and I'll correct my post if I'm wrong.

Well, if the word from them a week ago is that they'll be arriving in the next couple weeks, I'll cross my fingers.

Thanks for the info Zeddd.  Sparky, I checked my reciept and it was $1399 so sounds like the price is the same.  With the Canadian dollar at parity with the US, I wasn't expecting a jump in price.  BTW, L&M have their inventory blowout sale on Feb 11th and 12th with the 0% financing for 6 months so I'm hoping that's when they come in!

Cheers,

jayson



Re: Expected Release Date???
by JB1973 on 2011-02-03 16:53:43

Great idea Art

I am in central Arkansas though. Just checked on the website looks like i didn't scroll down

far enough my colors both are saying marchth 7 and 14th, I'll call tomorrow just to make sure

it doesn't include shipment that is already spoken for. I want the dang thing now but if it means

that mine will be working correctly I guess i'll wait....



Re: Expected Release Date???
by DragonRM on 2011-02-03 18:23:49

I've made a few of my own patches... still tweaking some. Haven't found one that sounds decent through the dt50 but for the straight out they sound nice... I had several patches for my Pakers but the JTV piezo seems a lot stronger of a signal so I haven't been able to use those. Though I've gone back to the Acoustic Air patch a few times from one of the pre programmed sets. I've done a couple without the amp models but they won't play through the dt50 at all with the L6 Link. But so far the ones without the models sound the best for tweaking.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by artnpam on 2011-02-03 18:35:33

DragonRM wrote:

I've made a few of my own patches... still tweaking some. Haven't found one that sounds decent through the dt50 but for the straight out they sound nice... I had several patches for my Pakers but the JTV piezo seems a lot stronger of a signal so I haven't been able to use those. Though I've gone back to the Acoustic Air patch a few times from one of the pre programmed sets. I've done a couple without the amp models but they won't play through the dt50 at all with the L6 Link. But so far the ones without the models sound the best for tweaking.

I haven't had too much luck finding anything that sounds better than just playing the acoustic models direct through my Bose T1/L1 system.  I play my Parker through my Bose using the Taylor T5 model and I've yet to find a setting that sounds better, so, I guess I'll have to keep tweaking (which is half the fun for me anyway!).

Thanks,

- Art



Re: Expected Release Date???
by litesnsirens on 2011-02-03 21:13:07

I don't think there's anything that can match playing through the Bose L1.  That goes for the amp models in the hd 500 as well. Stunning tone!



Re: Expected Release Date???
by RichRenken on 2011-02-04 01:43:31

Hey guys, Rich here in San Francisco overseeing the second bunch of a few hundred guitars. Some went out last week, some this week and some more early next week. I also saw the rework of the 3 way switches on the 59s. If any of you guys that have a 59 have any issue with that first shipment switch, call customer service. They will get you taken care of.

I am going to the UK on the 14 to work with the guys there getting out the first few hundred guitars to Europe.

I know some of the guitars from the first to batches did get to Australia and Japan. Only a few, but as I have said, we are trying hard to spread out the love fairly. It is being thought over and planned carefully because so many guys are waiting patiently.

I know we have another shipment of more than a few hundred guitars coming in a couple weeks or so. I will let you know more when I do.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by sparkyERTW on 2011-02-04 04:58:16

Thank you for the update, Rich!  I'm sure the guys at my local Long & McQuade will also thank you, as they are going to have to spend the next week or two putting up with my daily call of "is it in yet?"   For their sake I hope the shipping is quick and the Canadian distributer doesn't drag their feet.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by BBarker on 2011-02-04 06:42:39

Rich, are any of these guitars being shipped the 59's or are they on hold for the new switches?

Thanks

Jonesing for a Tobacco 59



Re: Expected Release Date???
by Nick_Mattocks on 2011-02-04 07:24:10

Rich

Wow - that is very good news.  Hopefully my 59 CSB will be amongst the batch expected in the UK - and I guess a number of other guys will be saying the exact same thing LOL

Thanks for the update

Regards

Nick



Re: Expected Release Date???
by guitar4u on 2011-02-04 08:24:15

Thanks Rich. I don't mind waiting for the guitar. I have other guitars to play and I want you guys to get it right BEFORE it ships. The problem for me is that I've been holding this money aside for months now and things have come up where I may need it now. If I end up spending it then I will lose the original purchase price on the TSB 59 ($1299). If I need another 6-12 months to raise up the money I will have to pay more.

I do understand the need for more time, having to push back original release dates. Really, this is expected and it happens everywhere. Where it breaks down for me is that in the middle of asking customers to wait, you raise your prices forcing us to keep our pre-purchase order locked in to get the original advertised price. So, those who have to drop out for one reason or another end up losing an opportunity through no fault of their own. It's a small offense that is easy to forgive but please be aware of the message that it sends to me as a customer. It doesn't give me the best feeling I could have about Line 6.

I'm trying to keep perspective and be fair. Take whatever time you need but be aware that the more this process wavers (missed dates, reports of bugs, changing prices, etc.) the less confidence I have in this product.

Thanks for your time
Rich



Re: Expected Release Date???
by zeddd on 2011-02-04 08:56:13

sparkyERTW wrote:

I'm sure the guys at my local Long & McQuade will also thank you, as they are going to have to spend the next week or two putting up with my daily call of "is it in yet?"   For their sake I hope the shipping is quick and the Canadian distributer doesn't drag their feet.

Hey Sparky,

Please let me know when you learn of any further developments, and I shall do the same. I just called L&M a couple of days ago, so I will wait at least a week now to get another progress report. I just want to hear that the distributer actually received the shipment and is sending guitars out to retailers to fulfill the orders.

From the update Rich provided here early this morning, it would seem likely that the shipment they expected in Montreal is probably pretty much on schedule. Good news!

Zeddd



Re: Expected Release Date???
by JB1973 on 2011-02-04 10:20:26

I appreciate the chime in Rich

I contacted AMS this morning they are now saying mid March (originally told me late january).

If waiting means no issues on switches etc. its worth it. But I do understand what the guys is talking

about on possibly having to lose our place in line and money issues. Taxes are comming up if I

owe like I did last year the money may be gone 8(



Re: Expected Release Date???
by MartinHines on 2011-02-04 10:57:17

guitar4u wrote:

The problem for me is that I've been holding this money aside for months now and things have come up where I may need it now. If I end up spending it then I will lose the original purchase price on the TSB 59 ($1299). If I need another 6-12 months to raise up the money I will have to pay more.

Where it breaks down for me is that in the middle of asking customers to wait, you raise your prices forcing us to keep our pre-purchase order locked in to get the original advertised price. So, those who have to drop out for one reason or another end up losing an opportunity through no fault of their own.

I would look at it differently.  Since Line 6 modified the specs of the guitar based on the near-production prototypes that were created last Summer, the new price is the real price.  Those of us who ordered and received the "pre-release" price effectively received big discounts (most paid for by Line 6).  Keeping your original order to "lock in" the discounted price is a situation many other people would love to be in.

If you have to cancel, then you simply end up paying the real price.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by RichRenken on 2011-02-04 11:30:02

gwbark81 wrote:

Rich, are any of these guitars being shipped the 59's or are they on hold for the new switches?

Thanks

Jonesing for a Tobacco 59

If you see what I wrote above, I said I saw the 59 switches being replaced. They will be shipping out next week.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by RichRenken on 2011-02-04 11:32:49

MartinHines wrote:

guitar4u wrote:

The problem for me is that I've been holding this money aside for months now and things have come up where I may need it now. If I end up spending it then I will lose the original purchase price on the TSB 59 ($1299). If I need another 6-12 months to raise up the money I will have to pay more.

Where it breaks down for me is that in the middle of asking customers to wait, you raise your prices forcing us to keep our pre-purchase order locked in to get the original advertised price. So, those who have to drop out for one reason or another end up losing an opportunity through no fault of their own.

I would look at it differently.  Since Line 6 modified the specs of the guitar based on the near-production prototypes that were created last Summer, the new price is the real price.  Those of us who ordered and received the "pre-release" price effectively received big discounts (most paid for by Line 6).  Keeping your original order to "lock in" the discounted price is a situation many other people would love to be in.

If you have to cancel, then you simply end up paying the real price.

Martin, I agree with you but I do understand saving for an instrument. Plus, I will say, what this guitar can do is so worth more than the latest real price. It is truly killer.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by guitar4u on 2011-02-04 11:45:24

All that ends well IS well



Re: Expected Release Date???
by zeddd on 2011-02-04 11:52:13

Line6RichRenken wrote:

...I do understand saving for an instrument.

Saving for an instrument!?!? Just put it on a credit card and take advantage of 6 month financing with 0% interest. That's what I'm doing, and it's almost like getting the guitar for free!



Re: Expected Release Date???
by guitar4u on 2011-02-04 11:58:15

zeddd wrote:

Saving for an instrument!?!? Just put it on a credit card and take advantage of 6 month financing with 0% interest. That's what I'm doing, and it's almost like getting the guitar for free!

Spoken like a true gear addict



Re: Expected Release Date???
by laelamiles on 2011-02-04 11:58:49

How's the new switch Rich?

Is World in Korea getting the new switches yet?  Or are the new switches all being installed in San Francisco for now?

Thanks!



Re: Expected Release Date???
by sparkyERTW on 2011-02-04 12:09:40

guitar4u wrote:

zeddd wrote:

Saving for an instrument!?!? Just put it on a credit card and take advantage of 6 month financing with 0% interest. That's what I'm doing, and it's almost like getting the guitar for free!

Spoken like a true gear addict

God grant me the serenity to accept the guitars I cannot afford,
courage to buy guitars when I can,
and wisdom to recognize that serenity is for suckers



Re: Expected Release Date???
by zeddd on 2011-02-04 12:30:53

sparkyERTW wrote:

guitar4u wrote:

zeddd wrote:

Saving for an instrument!?!? Just put it on a credit card and take advantage of 6 month financing with 0% interest. That's what I'm doing, and it's almost like getting the guitar for free!

Spoken like a true gear addict

God grant me the serenity to accept the guitars I cannot afford,
courage to buy guitars when I can,
and wisdom to recognize that serenity is for suckers

Ha! My fellow gear addicts. You know exactly how it is!

This is probably going to turn out being the most sensible guitar purchase I have made in recent years. I put $1000 into a real Telecaster recently and I swear that audio demos I have heard of the Telecasters modeled in the Variax guitar sound much closer to how I would like my Telecaster to sound (Thinline model in particular).

Also, I actually have a couple vintage models of other guitars modeled in this collection and I believe I may find myself going for the emulations instead of the real thing in some cases. It will certainly be nice to have the option choose the version of the guitar that sounds best with a particular riff or with other instruments in a song. The JVT will certainly come first when deciding which guitar and which tuning needs to be used. I will be really interested in finding out what my tendencies will be in the cases where I have the option of using the real thing.

Pretty damn excited about all of this.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by BBarker on 2011-02-04 13:44:34

Thanks, I thought you were refering to the 59's in for repair.  I am looking forward to getting my 59.

Thanks again

Bill



Re: Expected Release Date???
by rico on 2011-02-07 02:01:21

Rich wrote:

Hey guys, Rich here in San Francisco overseeing the second bunch of a few hundred guitars. Some went out last week, some this week and some more early next week. I also saw the rework of the 3 way switches on the 59s.

I am going to the UK on the 14 to work with the guys there getting out the first few hundred guitars to Europe.

-

I play in a band covering a wide area of styles & guitarsounds (Strat/Tele/LP/Acoustic/JazzGuitar) in many different keys (we have horns in the band you know like Eb, Db. I guess you'll get the picture that the very versatile JTV has it's perfect place at this band's setup.

I already ordered AND paid (!) my JTV69 3SB 4 months ago.

My 2 questions to Rich:

1. any hint how long it takes from the 14th until the JTV's arrive at the German stores like Music Store, Thomann?

2. is this the very first batch to Europe (Germany) or did some JTV's already reach Germany (like some already distributed in Australia)?

thx

Rico



Re: Expected Release Date???
by philGre on 2011-02-08 10:31:59

Hi all,

I just saw Thomann postponed JTV arrival on JULY 20th

I asked them if I would get mine before as I was supposedly part of the first shipment (ordered early november), but if this is confirmed I will definitely believe this guitar is a ghost.

I understand and can accept all the delays, but seeing 6 month gap between first delivery in US and first delivery in Europe is really amazing

I will update once they answer me, but as they already confirmed to me twice I would be delivered before the date announced on the website and finally did not, I must say I am close to hopeless now ...

Cheers

Philippe



Re: Expected Release Date???
by U2acrobatNL on 2011-02-08 11:42:55

I'm looking at Thomann as we speak and it has all models listed for 28th feb. Did you receive an email about the postponement?



Re: Expected Release Date???
by pappywatts on 2011-02-08 12:45:41

Hi Philippe, if you pre-ordered in November and Thomann are showing a July  2011 date for completion of your order

on your account, I can only surmise they have a lot of backorders to fill.

There are a few  guys on this forum who have ordered and paid in full from Thomann from july/august 2010,

myself included, and my order as the above post gives a shipment delivery expected on the 28th February.

Maybe your date given is for a later shipment this year....



Re: Expected Release Date???
by guitar4u on 2011-02-08 12:55:46

Sweetwater rep called today...lookin' like end of March for me. Well, whatever it takes to get it right I guess. Here's hoping that the bugs and production issues are resolved by then!



Re: Expected Release Date???
by johnnyayyy on 2011-02-08 13:21:54

wahwah666 wrote:

Yep, fed up waiting here. I'm also thinking that at this price for the JTV's, they should have a hard case...guitars sold at a similar price do. My Peavey Wolfgangs and Musicmans do.

I was thinking at the prices the Wolfgangs and Musicman guitars are sold for they should include 25 classic modeled guitars, Workbench style custom modeling capabilities, alternate tuning, digital capo, VDI control etc. like guitars selling for hundreds less (such as JTV 89 @ $1299.99 USD) do.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by wahwah666 on 2011-02-08 14:08:56

Yeah, it's a shame I won't be able to protect this beautiful instrument properly with a hard case. Glad to hear you're ok with it.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by BBarker on 2011-02-08 14:41:33

Sweetwater also called me today and told me that my Tobacco JTV-59 was delayed to mid March.  PS. I ordered Dec 8th.

Bill



Re: Expected Release Date???
by philGre on 2011-02-08 14:58:13

sorry guys i spent too much time on My screen

thomann's date Is indeed back To feb 28 (or they had a bug?)

nb: date Is not linked To a po but just the date on catalog

cheers

philippe



Re: Expected Release Date???
by pappywatts on 2011-02-08 15:22:26

Thomann only give information about orders when they receive information from their suppliers.

I enquired in December after several dates slipped by, and their response was as follows:-


We have just received notification that  the expected delivery date on the ... you ordered from us has been pushed  back to 21/01/11 by our  suppliers.   We sincerely  apologise for this delay but will of course get this order to you as soon as it  arrives in.   You'll receive a  text message when the order leaves here.

I won't be holding my breath.......



Re: Expected Release Date???
by variaxlover on 2011-02-08 15:32:58

Thomann wrote ". . . the expected delivery date on the ... you ordered from us has been pushed  back to 21/01/11 by our  suppliers.   We sincerely  apologise for this delay . . ."

Obviously you can't trust those guys . . .  they're saying your delivery date is the 21st month of the year!  That's like  . . . September 2012!  And they also spelled "apologize" wrong . . . sheesh!

You furriners are nice people, just a little wacky.

Signed,

Dumb American



Re: Expected Release Date???
by jenningsmusic on 2011-02-08 18:21:41

Sweetwater just told me "early March" for my black 59 but I get the feeling that's being optimistic. Like most of you, I'd rather wait and get a perfect guitar than have some of the problems I've read about on here.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by laelamiles on 2011-02-08 18:26:53

Just so that you guys know, the JTV 89 (both colors) seems to be readily available and ready to ship at several online stores (US).

I guess they should have made a left-handed strat instead of bothering with the 89...



Re: Expected Release Date???
by johnnyayyy on 2011-02-09 00:01:21

wahwah666 wrote:

Yeah, it's a shame I won't be able to protect this beautiful instrument properly with a hard case.

My point was if we are comparing it is way cheaper and easier to add a case to a JTV than to add modeling to a Wolfgang/Musicman.

Is there some reason you can't just buy a case?

Ozbadman already posted info on some cases that will fit the JTV59:

http://accessories.musiciansfriend.com/product/Road-Runner-Molded-Electric-Guitar-Case?sku=620110

http://accessories.musiciansfriend.com/product/SKB-SKB56-Deluxe-LPStyle-Electric-Guitar-Case?sku=541666

I have a 69 on order and I am betting it will fit in a regular old $60 Strat case. If you bought an 89 I would suggest a used Ibanez RG case from  ebay, they are pretty nice and can be had for less than $50



Re: Expected Release Date???
by philGre on 2011-02-09 03:07:33

Hi Variaxlover,

"they're saying your delivery date is the 21st month of the year!  That's like  . . . September 2012! "

European date format is DD/MM/YY so here 21/01/11 actually stands for Jan 21st

anyway, wait and see, if Rich says he moves to UK around the 14th to check first EU batch I would expect first guitars in the first 2 weeks in March (but who knows, date changed so many times...)

Cheers

Philippe



Re: Expected Release Date???
by zeddd on 2011-02-09 03:43:44

The entire world should adopt this format: Year / Month / Day

Having the year first is the only way to keep dates in proper chronological order in basic filing systems. It seems like faulty logic to do it any other way, and yet that seems to be the format which is used least. Weird.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by rico on 2011-02-09 03:51:53

(Rich wrote on Jan 7: Hey guys, I was up in Hayward getting that first batch out the door last week) and people started to receive the JTV from around that same day)

Hey PhilGre, why do you think first two weeks of March if Rich starts getting them out from the UK on Febr. 14?

Why not the last two weeks of Febr?

Or is this too wishful thinking   (I have a lot of gigs at the end of February)

.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by kaz911 on 2011-02-09 04:06:56

all of europe is doing fine with their date systems...

But then again - the rest of the world should use metric system and celcius - since that is a lot more logical...



Re: Expected Release Date???
by pappywatts on 2011-02-09 04:47:01

Well those Bozo's who decided to leave the old country to live in the New World, pioneer spirit and all that

nowdays think they're the Masters of the Universe, and everybody else is out of step.

Yeah.... Long live Freedom, but not in the Land of the Brave apparently.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by zeddd on 2011-02-09 06:23:30

Well just for the record, that dating format which I suggested is NOT in use by the "Masters of the Universe", and is not the way I was taught to do it growing up in Canada, either. It is just based on common sense if you want to have a chronological hierarchy. They obviously didn't have computers when the brilliant minds of yesteryear came up with their less-than-sensible standards.

And in a world where people all over the globe are waiting to receive their exciting new guitars and other items of trade, it would be useful if everyone adopted a single common sense dating format. Only my opinion.

But I don't expect to find many people who agree with me, since I don't think the year comes first in the standard teaching of any country. I may be wrong.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by pappywatts on 2011-02-09 06:51:28

Well first it was the Greeks. the Romans, then the Vikings, ( Normans were vikings too) then the French had a go, and the Spanish, and more lately the Germans...so whoever wanted to conquer Europe and succeeded, always adopted the local customs and traditions and called them their own.

So who am I to argue with history :-Day..Month ...Year  in Europe(UK), anywhere else may be different,and if that doesn't suit the Microsoft Masters(of the Universe)

so be it...

BTW..back on topic, Thomann's web site is now showing an expected shipment date for JTV's as 20th July 2011...thats 20/07/2011 folks..



Re: Expected Release Date???
by zeddd on 2011-02-09 07:25:52

Yeah. There have been a lot of Bozos over the years.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by philGre on 2011-02-09 08:26:07

Guys I fear it was not a bad dream, Thomann's website shipment date on JTV is back to July 20th right now....

I swear I see it



Re: Expected Release Date???
by U2acrobatNL on 2011-02-09 12:10:42

Oh dear, I see it now as well ... haven't heard from my dealer yet (soundaffects.com) but if they are pushed back until july I will cancel my order with them. There is a limit to all these delays.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by philGre on 2011-02-10 01:42:52

Hi,

I just received a mai lfrom Thomann, they confirm the delivery is postponed to July for the first delivery

Rich if you read this, I understand you struggle and do all your max to deliver, but such delay is really a bad surprise, seeing first models delivered in the US in January and EU models coming 7 month later.

I think a communication to explain the reasons for this would be appreciated because I am really puzzled by this new and huge additional delay, and I think we all are in EU.

Thanks for your feedback and details as possible

Cheers

Philippe



Re: Expected Release Date???
by zeddd on 2011-02-10 02:19:55

In Canada, today, I got the impression that the Canadian shipment from Line 6 didn't arrive last week as it was expected to. I don't know this for sure, but the guy told me that my order is still marked "availability: backorder". It was supposed to be coming to me early next week, but I have a feeling I will not be so lucky. I was trying to find out if I needed to change my guitar colour, since at this point I would take any of the guitar colours just to not have to wait an additional 4-5 months for a guitar.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by sparkyERTW on 2011-02-10 04:20:18

zeddd wrote:

In Canada, today, I got the impression that the Canadian shipment from Line 6 didn't arrive last week as it was expected to. I don't know this for sure, but the guy told me that my order is still marked "availability: backorder". It was supposed to be coming to me early next week, but I have a feeling I will not be so lucky. I was trying to find out if I needed to change my guitar colour, since at this point I would take any of the guitar colours just to not have to wait an additional 4-5 months for a guitar.

Crap, I was worried this might be the case after reading about the Thomman's delay.  I'm not sure I want to go through another 5 months of watching this forum like a hawk, waiting for some good news.  Hopefully Rich can give us the scoop on what's happening.  I'll also make a note to stop in at L&M tomorrow and see if they have any news (although my guess is I'll get my typical response of "hmm, looks like they haven't arrived yet"... helpful).

I may be willing to go with an alternate colour, but at the same time it would be bittersweet to end up with something I considered my second choice.  I would also guess that it'll be an all or nothing deal anyway, as I get the sense there's about an average of a half-dozen preorders per model/colour up here anyway.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by philGre on 2011-02-10 07:46:50

Indeed Thomann's confrimed to me the delay on all models even on my pre order



Re: Expected Release Date???
by scotterp on 2011-02-10 08:18:35

Through a folly of errors and miscommunication (combined Musiciansfriend and myself) I have TWO Black JTV-69's. I only need and want ONE. I feel guilty that I have 2 and others are anxiously awaiting the arrival of theirs. I am located in the US. I have a few days left before I have to return the guitar for a full refund, but if anyone out there wants it, I will sell it for what I paid for it ($1199). YOU must take care of the shipping cost and any other related costs (duty etc). I'm not looking to make a profit, just offering the guitar for someone that just can't wait any longer.

I know the 59's appear to be more in demand but the 69 IS a great guitar. I love mine.

The box has only been opened to check out the serial #, which is #20 by the way. The box it shipped in has the #1 taped on the front so this may have been THE first guitar put into a shipping box from the factory. I have not even take the guitar out of the gig bag.

If you are at all interested, please PM me and we'll take this offline.

Cheers!

Scott



Re: Expected Release Date???
by variaxlover on 2011-02-10 08:42:25

Wasn't sure what it meant, so I looked up Bozo, and it said "one who doesn't understand sarcasm".



Re: Expected Release Date???
by pappywatts on 2011-02-10 08:59:22

Apparently it's also the lowest form of wit.....

bo·zo

[boh-zoh]

–noun, plural -zos. Slang .

1.
a fellow, especially a big, strong, stupid fellow.

2. a rude, obnoxious, or annoying person

You can't argue with the internet..it's all there



Re: Expected Release Date???
by variaxlover on 2011-02-10 09:18:36

Note to self:  Don't try to make a joke on this forum, even a self-deprecating one, because inevitably someone won't get it and will then insult you (and your country) repeatedly.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by ozbadman on 2011-02-10 09:34:55

variaxlover wrote:

Note to self:  Don't try to make a joke on this forum, even a self-deprecating one, because inevitably someone won't get it and will then insult you (and your country) repeatedly.

Hi variaxlover,

If it makes you feel any better, I'm an Aussie (we use the Euro date system ever since they sent all us Crims down there in the first place) and I got your joke immediately and had a laugh. Now I'm not sure why my compatriots didn't understand as I thought you went out of your way to make it obvious it was a joke. Perhaps more smiley faces were required. In any case, I would encourage you to put more jokes on these things in future and yes unfortunately, not everyone is going to get it (and they weren't even offensive!! Perhaps people are a little too sensitive these days).

To my compatriot Europeans-separated-only-by-distance, this New Worlder was trying to provide levity and bonding and I congratulate him for it. And while I don't necessarily agree with the way they replace 's' with 'z' everywhere, you've gotta appreciate the way they remove extraneous 'u's from things like colour. And think of all the paper that saves!

OzBadman.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by sparkyERTW on 2011-02-10 09:54:32

You know what I love?  Flame wars on forums.  More than anything else in the world.  Oh, yeah... (whew, crisis narrowly averted)



Re: Expected Release Date???
by pappywatts on 2011-02-10 10:07:19

Good on ya sport......well put.....

Not my intention to insult any country, and as we're not going to see our new variaxes in Europe for some time for whatever reason...I'll expand

I'm a retired FD guy for a few years now, generally take people as I find them, sometimes overdone and crispy..

Having had my hobby with guitars and speakers on the backburner for many years, started gigging again around the turn of the last decade.

That's taken me around most of the southern part of the UK, and I've travelled extensively abroad in between times, USA,NZ/OZ, France Italy Spain Germany China etc.

People are mostly the same everywhere I've been, except in the customs/immigration parts...

and I have made lots of friends, particularly in guitar shops whichever country it was..

I worked in a engineering dept for my first few years of employment alongside an ex German POW, who'd settled here after the war, married a local lass and had three lovely daughters. He kept his german accent, and had an expression for  impatient people wanting to get there first all the time..".Don't Vorry... Vee get dere."

One of the nicest guys i've ever had the pleasure to know.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by variaxlover on 2011-02-10 10:10:23

Thank you very much, OzBadman.  Nice to know that someone got a chuckle along the way . . .  even if that someone is descended from criminals.   I guess there really is Honor Among Thieves (or is that "Honour"?).

And now I would like to officially close the date-formatting "topic".

(p.s. Don't worry Sparky, I would never participate in a flame war.  Life is too short.)



Re: Expected Release Date???
by philGre on 2011-02-10 12:22:33

date-formatting topic is closed.....but fortunately "shipping-date" debate seems faaaaaaaar to be, at least for us poor criminal EU guys

Cheers

Philippe



Re: Expected Release Date???
by laelamiles on 2011-02-10 12:32:52

philGre wrote:

date-formatting topic is closed.....but fortunately "shipping-date" debate seems faaaaaaaar to be, at least for us poor criminal EU guys

Cheers

Philippe

Criminal?  Huh?  Why, because you are from Germany??

(I assume Germany because Thomann seems German, but maybe you are French.  Even so, what makes you criminal??  You guys don't like war...)



Re: Expected Release Date???
by variaxlover on 2011-02-10 12:46:06

OH NO YOU DI-UNT!

The "criminals" thing came from OzBadman's message referring to the fact that Australia was once used as a continent-sized penal colony by the British.  That's why Aussies are so . . .  interesting!    Much love!



Re: Expected Release Date???
by laelamiles on 2011-02-10 12:51:12

lol.  I understood the Aussie thing, I was just puzzled why Phillippe was referring to himself as a "criminal EU" guy.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by philGre on 2011-02-10 13:15:25

Oh yes sorry for the confusion I just generalized British-EU

And you found it I am actually a french frog

I use to order at Thomann because of prices and services (well for once on the JTV the price was not the best one but I use to be happw with them and was happwto have the 3 years warranty)

Now I am looking forward reading from Rich as this new huge delay is quite a pain and I'd like at least to understand (such delay must mean serious causes....) as I feqr this explanation is the only thing I will get for the next 5 month

Cheers

Philippe



Re: Expected Release Date???
by ozbadman on 2011-02-10 13:23:44

Hey Phil, if it makes you feel any better, I regard all my compatriot generalised Euro-Frog-Brit-Ausie-Kiwis as fellow Criminals



Re: Expected Release Date???
by zeddd on 2011-02-10 14:28:28

variaxlover wrote:

Wasn't sure what it meant, so I looked up Bozo, and it said "one who doesn't understand sarcasm".

pappywatts wrote:

Apparently it's also the lowest form of wit.....

bo·zo

[boh-zoh]

–noun, plural -zos. Slang .

1.
a fellow, especially a big, strong, stupid fellow.

2. a rude, obnoxious, or annoying person

You can't argue with the internet..it's all there

My own personal definition and use of the term Bozo is:

1. bo·zo

[boh-zoh] 1. a clown, Bozo the Clown

We're all clowns at least some of the time. The human race is an absolute riot (just waiting to happen).



Re: Expected Release Date???
by laelamiles on 2011-02-10 17:43:46

philGre wrote:

Oh yes sorry for the confusion I just generalized British-EU

And you found it I am actually a french frog

I use to order at Thomann because of prices and services (well for once on the JTV the price was not the best one but I use to be happw with them and was happwto have the 3 years warranty)

Now I am looking forward reading from Rich as this new huge delay is quite a pain and I'd like at least to understand (such delay must mean serious causes....) as I feqr this explanation is the only thing I will get for the next 5 month

Cheers

Philippe

Ah d'accord!  Tout s'explique!  Desole pour les delais en Europe.  C'est vraiment vraiment trop dure.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by BrookieBob on 2011-02-10 20:35:51

Absolutely correct - please see: http://line6.com/community/message/242044#242044

PS - I am another one of those Aussie criminals - we're everywhere



Re: Expected Release Date???
by boleary2 on 2011-02-10 22:31:30

I have a black on black jtv69 that I have had for a couple weeks that I would part with for 1299 shipped and paypal'd to continental US.

Would consider foreign shipment if you will agree to cover shipping via USPS International Priority...which will probably be $120+ US.

Here are some pics, I can be reached at boleary2 at mac dot com:

Photobucket Photobucket Photobucket



Re: Expected Release Date???
by Jasonbrianmerrill on 2011-02-11 03:44:52

you have been emailed, sir



Re: Expected Release Date???
by sparkyERTW on 2011-02-11 05:54:56

Oh so tempting.  But I'm going to keep the faith and assume that my 3-tone sunburst will be arriving in the next week or two.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by RobTac on 2011-02-11 08:17:13

Young Robert.jpg Just ordered me one last night. Was on Ebay and saw a red 69 that this store got in, so I snagged it. They shipped it this morning and I should have it mid next week. Really wanted a blue one, though, for sentimental reasons; in '76/ '77 I played this blue Fender Mustang when I was a freshman in high school (wheeew, boy, carbon dating myself there, aren't I?), Anyway, if there is anyone in Arizona who got a blue one but wanted a red one, we can do an inspect and swap if aggreeable for both parties. Not going to ship though; must be hand to hand.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by stumpsout on 2011-02-13 13:30:50

sparkyERTW wrote:

zeddd wrote:

In Canada, today, I got the impression that the Canadian shipment from Line 6 didn't arrive last week as it was expected to. I don't know this for sure, but the guy told me that my order is still marked "availability: backorder". It was supposed to be coming to me early next week, but I have a feeling I will not be so lucky. I was trying to find out if I needed to change my guitar colour, since at this point I would take any of the guitar colours just to not have to wait an additional 4-5 months for a guitar.

Crap, I was worried this might be the case after reading about the Thomman's delay.  I'm not sure I want to go through another 5 months of watching this forum like a hawk, waiting for some good news.  Hopefully Rich can give us the scoop on what's happening.  I'll also make a note to stop in at L&M tomorrow and see if they have any news (although my guess is I'll get my typical response of "hmm, looks like they haven't arrived yet"... helpful).

I may be willing to go with an alternate colour, but at the same time it would be bittersweet to end up with something I considered my second choice.  I would also guess that it'll be an all or nothing deal anyway, as I get the sense there's about an average of a half-dozen preorders per model/colour up here anyway.

I went into L&M and raised helll (read "inquired") last week, they called SF Marketing the Canadian dealer. I said I'm bailing and getting one from the States like guys have been doing since January 1 and having the %$#m thing in a week, if getting it to a store in Canada takes any longer.

I got to speak to the rep on the phone, the story was that there WAS a shipment supposedly headed for Canada, but with all the screwups that happened..it went to the States instead to help with the customers there. FML.

But, I'm on a special VIP mailing list now so I will hear about any further useless news right away!!

And there is a theoretical larger big hoomungus shipment that is coming..but they can't say when. Lovely



Re: Expected Release Date???
by laelamiles on 2011-02-13 14:36:37

Special VIP mailing list?  Please, that's a joke.

You'll get your guitar when you get your guitar, no sooner!



Re: Expected Release Date???
by sparkyERTW on 2011-02-13 15:27:02

Wow, I gotta say, I'm really disappointed to hear that.  If we're going to get continually bumped up here... I'll have to think about that.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by zeddd on 2011-02-13 16:30:58

Yeah. This is very disappointing. I wanted to use this guitar to help me finish up some recordings that should be completed before the summer time.

I can see why people have grown restless and irritable in this forum. I wish I hadn't heard about this guitar until it was actually an available item. Those of you who heard about the JTVs last summer and have been waiting since then must be way beyond frustrated.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by stumpsout on 2011-02-13 17:03:55

laelamiles wrote:

Special VIP mailing list?  Please, that's a joke.

You'll get your guitar when you get your guitar, no sooner!

In the context of the whole sentence it's sarcasm, Einstein. Duh.

"But, I'm on a special VIP mailing list now so I will hear about any further useless news right away!!



Re: Expected Release Date???
by stumpsout on 2011-02-13 17:22:22

I hear you and sparky, I am on the brink of saying maybe next year I'll look at this again.

BTW, it is true, I was told that I will be e-mailed as soon as there is any word of anything happening..as soon as they hear.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by laelamiles on 2011-02-13 18:04:15

stumpsout wrote:

laelamiles wrote:

Special VIP mailing list?  Please, that's a joke.

You'll get your guitar when you get your guitar, no sooner!

In the context of the whole sentence it's sarcasm, Einstein. Duh.

"But, I'm on a special VIP mailing list now so I will hear about any further useless news right away!!

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Woof! Woof!



Re: Expected Release Date???
by zeddd on 2011-02-13 18:29:04

stumpsout wrote:

I hear you and sparky, I am on the brink of saying maybe next year I'll look at this again.

BTW, it is true, I was told that I will be e-mailed as soon as there is any word of anything happening..as soon as they hear.

Well please let us know when you learn anything. I will post any developments as well, if I learn of any.

In the meantime, it is back down to business... finishing songs and continuing with guitar practise.

I'm trying to learn a little something (or to make up something) in the numerous assorted styles that one might do with particular pickups or guitar models so that I can flip through the settings and have something different to play with every different guitar model... banjo included, of course. When the guitar finally arrives I will probably be a guitar pro, able to play anything in any style!



Re: Expected Release Date???
by stumpsout on 2011-02-13 18:53:04

For sure, man..I'll just paste any e-mail that I get from them here...regardless of what I decide.

All the best with your playing



Re: Expected Release Date???
by BrookieBob on 2011-02-13 23:25:24

FYI - other ETA's on the JTV-59 TSB's, as listed on their websites:

Guitar Centre (USA): 28th February 2011

Musician's Friend (USA): 7th March 2011

Music123 (USA): 7th March 2011

Zzounds (USA): 17th March 2011

Amazon (USA - only Cherry & Black): usually ships in 1-2 months

GigaSonic (USA): new product, pre-order now

Matts Music Centre (USA): no ETA

Richtone (UK - Cherry, no TSB): out of stock

Soundslive (UK): normally 3-5 days

Andertons (UK): out of stock, normally available in 1-2 weeks

Wembly Guitar Centre (UK): 0 in stock, no date given

Thomann (Germany): 1st August 2011 (!)

MusikSchmidt (Germany): not available yet

Axe Music (Canada): product is currently out of stock

Long & McQuade (Canada): not listed as yet on website

Billy Hyde / Allens (Australia): not listed as yet on website

Haworth (Austraia): not listed as yet on website

Lots of global variability there it seems



Re: Expected Release Date???
by zeddd on 2011-02-14 00:10:53

BrookieBob wrote:

FYI - other ETA's on the JTV-59 TSB's, as listed on their websites:

Guitar Centre (USA): 28th February 2011

Musician's Friend (USA): 7th March 2011

Music123 (USA): 7th March 2011

Zzounds (USA): 17th March 2011

Amazon (USA - only Cherry & Black): usually ships in 1-2 months

GigaSonic (USA): new product, pre-order now

Matts Music Centre (USA): no ETA

Richtone (UK - Cherry, no TSB): out of stock

Soundslive (UK): normally 3-5 days

Andertons (UK): out of stock, normally available in 1-2 weeks

Wembly Guitar Centre (UK): 0 in stock, no date given

Thomann (Germany): 1st August 2011 (!)

MusikSchmidt (Germany): not available yet

Axe Music (Canada): product is currently out of stock

Long & McQuade (Canada): not listed as yet on website

Billy Hyde / Allens (Australia): not listed as yet on website

Haworth (Austraia): not listed as yet on website

Lots of global variability there it seems

Is this research you did yourself or is this from a web page? If there is a page, please post the link.

I wonder if the ETAs for the JTV-69 are the same?



Re: Expected Release Date???
by wahwah666 on 2011-02-15 23:32:35

Went into Dawson's in Reading yesterday to try and get more detail of arrival of ANY JTV's. After coming off the phone from Line6 UK reps I was told 'end of March but don't get your hopes up'! Marvellous. Looks like July could be credible.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by sparkyERTW on 2011-02-16 06:01:05

I'm guessing even the Line 6 reps are getting to the point of having no confidence in estimates being given by Line 6.  That's my guess, anyway.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by digiprod on 2011-02-16 06:41:54

sparkyERTW wrote:

I'm guessing even the Line 6 reps are getting to the point of having no confidence in estimates being given by Line 6.  That's my guess, anyway.

I know I have! I ordered a JTV-59 and a JTV-69 from two different retailers at the end of September 2010. Over SIX months later and many false estimates later NOTHING! Both retailers have no confidence in the estimates either. Hard to imagine Line 6 started this rollout so long ago.

While I have been waiting I sold a Fender VG Strat and a Variax 300, returned the HD500 (was not for me) and bought two other guitars! So the only Variax I have now is Variax 700 Acoustic and a Variax 700 Bass.

The ONLY reason these pre-orders are not already cancelled is because I am locked into the old price. Sometimes I forget I have an order!

If they miss the March dates, I may just as well give up forever! Sell the Variaxes I have and forget it. I am thinking now maybe I do not want or need a Variax anymore. There are so many cool guitars available. Just bought a very cool Gretsch G6120RHH to add to my collection.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by jyflorida on 2011-02-16 07:03:20

Musician's Friend still shows March 7 as the expected date.  I'm going to call them later today and see how confident they are of that date.  I'm also locked in at the lower price but I've heard that MF's system will cancel your backorder after a while and if you reorder, you pay the current price.  Don't know if that's really the case or not.  At any rate, I'm going to wait until the end of April which will be 6 months, after which I'm going to cancel.  I also sold off a bunch of equipment - a bass, a doubleneck, and my Variax 500 - to pay for this and the wait is getting ridiculous.  I bought a Pod HD500 mainly because of the Variax interface and I'll keep it anyway since it sounds great, but I'd never have sold my Vax 500 if I knew I'd be waiting this long.  Sorry for the rant but the wait time is insane, regardless of the reason(s).



Re: Expected Release Date???
by digiprod on 2011-02-16 07:09:50

jyflorida wrote:

Musician's Friend still shows March 7 as the expected date.  I'm going to call them later today and see how confident they are of that date.  I'm also locked in at the lower price but I've heard that MF's system will cancel your backorder after a while and if you reorder, you pay the current price.  Don't know if that's really the case or not.  At any rate, I'm going to wait until the end of April which will be 6 months, after which I'm going to cancel.  I also sold off a bunch of equipment - a bass, a doubleneck, and my Variax 500 - to pay for this and the wait is getting ridiculous.  I bought a Pod HD500 mainly because of the Variax interface and I'll keep it anyway since it sounds great, but I'd never have sold my Vax 500 if I knew I'd be waiting this long.  Sorry for the rant but the wait time is insane, regardless of the reason(s).

I have an order for a 59 placed at RMC Audio and the 69 with Sweetwater. I have spoken to both at least once a month, neither seems too confident in promised dates. For some the HD500 is the most expensive interface for a Variax Line 6 ever had. I still can not believe they only put VDI on the 500 and none of the other pods. Since I did not really like the HD500 that much I returned it. I had sold a XT Live to buy the HD500. I really was not crazy about the XT Live either so I guess I am no Pod guy. I prefer real tube amps which I have several.

We may end up being lucky we had to wait so long with all the reported issues with the first batches of JTV. Maybe ours will be better.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by scotterp on 2011-02-16 07:15:00

jyflorida wrote:

Musician's Friend still shows March 7 as the expected date.  I'm going to call them later today and see how confident they are of that date.  I'm also locked in at the lower price but I've heard that MF's system will cancel your backorder after a while and if you reorder, you pay the current price.  Don't know if that's really the case or not.  At any rate, I'm going to wait until the end of April which will be 6 months, after which I'm going to cancel.  I also sold off a bunch of equipment - a bass, a doubleneck, and my Variax 500 - to pay for this and the wait is getting ridiculous.  I bought a Pod HD500 mainly because of the Variax interface and I'll keep it anyway since it sounds great, but I'd never have sold my Vax 500 if I knew I'd be waiting this long.  Sorry for the rant but the wait time is insane, regardless of the reason(s).

I had this happen to me (auto-cancel of my preorder) back in December (Xmas Eve actually). I called immediately and they gave me a new order. The price increase had not happened at that time. I did get my 69 in early January, a black one, which apparently seemed to be what was mostly delivered in the first batch.

When I called to redo my order, I was told that if I had called to let them know that I still wanted to keep my pre-order, they would have pushed the "tickler" off to the future. So, as long as you call them to tell them not to cancel your order on a regular basis, it should not auto-cancel on you. At leats that's what I was told at the time..

Scott



Re: Expected Release Date???
by zeddd on 2011-02-16 07:27:53

digiprod wrote:

Since I did not really like the HD500 that much I returned it. I had sold a XT Live to buy the HD500.

I returned my HD500 too. Among other things, it was hideously huge and way too obnoxious for a piece of studio gear. It seems geared towards stage work only. I decided that I am absolutely NOT going to jump in on the Pod HD technology until they can put it into a nice sexy *little* package. The bean Pods were okay size-wise, but I would prefer something that size and rectangular like the VOX Tonelab ST.

Kind of disappointed not to be able to have a Pod to use with the Variax, though. The next best option is a second hand Pod X3 Pro, I suppose... or I will have to wait until the 2nd generation Pod HD stuff becomes available. I would gladly buy a Pod X3 bean, except that it doesn't come with the Variax options.

By the time the JTVs have finally shipped, there may be more options!



Re: Expected Release Date???
by sparkyERTW on 2011-02-16 07:30:38

I hear you, Digiprod.  The thought of whether just sticking with my Variax 500 and putting the ~$1500 into a transplant and/or 1-2 other guitars has crossed my mind.  But then I re-read the list of improvements and watch the demo videos by Michael Ripoll and others.  Rechargeable battery, a neck shape that I drool at the sound of, alternate tunings on-the-fly, mag pickups, and clearly better modelling to cap it all off...

So despite the fact that I'm feeling pretty burned with Line 6 diverting the Canadian shipment (delays from technical problems are one thing, but a delay due to politics really hurts), I'm going to hang in there only because I realize I will likely love the daylights out of this thing when it arrives.  But as time goes on, that excitement seems harder to maintain, and those other options look more and more appealing.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by zeddd on 2011-02-16 07:33:55

sparkyERTW wrote:

So despite the fact that I'm feeling pretty burned with Line 6 diverting the Canadian shipment (delays from technical problems are one thing, but a delay due to politics really hurts), I'm going to hang in there only because I realize I will likely love the daylights out of this thing when it arrives.  But as time goes on, that excitement seems harder to maintain, and those other options look more and more appealing.

Let's hope that the reported HUMUNGOUS shipment is on it's way for the scheduled fulfilment of early March. Perhaps they diverted the Canadian shipment with knowledge that they will be able to fulfill a lot of shipments with the next batch. They probably have several hundred, or even a few thousand of them in a container ship on it's way to the US right now. Keeping my fingers crossed.

I'm also planning to love the daylights out of mine!



Re: Expected Release Date???
by sparkyERTW on 2011-02-16 07:49:03

zeddd wrote:

sparkyERTW wrote:

So despite the fact that I'm feeling pretty burned with Line 6 diverting the Canadian shipment (delays from technical problems are one thing, but a delay due to politics really hurts), I'm going to hang in there only because I realize I will likely love the daylights out of this thing when it arrives.  But as time goes on, that excitement seems harder to maintain, and those other options look more and more appealing.

Let's hope that the reported HUMUNGOUS shipment is on it's way for the scheduled fulfilment of early March. Perhaps they diverted the Canadian shipment with knowledge that they will be able to fulfill a lot of shipments with the next batch. They probably have several hundred, or even a few thousand of them in a container ship on it's way to the US right now. Keeping my fingers crossed.

I'm also planning to love the daylights out of mine!

Well, I certainly hope you're right regarding the enormous shipment (though if Line 6 made the claim of a few thousand, I'd expect it to be followed by a promise that it would be delivered to my door by a unicorn).  But it could be equally argued that if they knew that was on it's way, why bother redirecting the Canadian shipment?

Bah... whatever.  I'll let you know if I hear anything, but at this point I'm not believing anything (not even from Rich - sorry, Rich) until the guitar is in my hands.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by digiprod on 2011-02-16 08:51:37

sparkyERTW wrote:

zeddd wrote:

sparkyERTW wrote:

So despite the fact that I'm feeling pretty burned with Line 6 diverting the Canadian shipment (delays from technical problems are one thing, but a delay due to politics really hurts), I'm going to hang in there only because I realize I will likely love the daylights out of this thing when it arrives.  But as time goes on, that excitement seems harder to maintain, and those other options look more and more appealing.

Let's hope that the reported HUMUNGOUS shipment is on it's way for the scheduled fulfilment of early March. Perhaps they diverted the Canadian shipment with knowledge that they will be able to fulfill a lot of shipments with the next batch. They probably have several hundred, or even a few thousand of them in a container ship on it's way to the US right now. Keeping my fingers crossed.

I'm also planning to love the daylights out of mine!

Well, I certainly hope you're right regarding the enormous shipment (though if Line 6 made the claim of a few thousand, I'd expect it to be followed by a promise that it would be delivered to my door by a unicorn).  But it could be equally argued that if they knew that was on it's way, why bother redirecting the Canadian shipment?

Bah... whatever.  I'll let you know if I hear anything, but at this point I'm not believing anything (not even from Rich - sorry, Rich) until the guitar is in my hands.

I agree. Rich is a nice guy, but he shows up on the forum throws a few things around and hopes they stick and then he is gone doing his real job. It still amazes me that Line 6 does not handle their own forum better.

Promises at this point are not worth the paper they are written on.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by sparkyERTW on 2011-02-16 09:52:29

To be clear, I'm not saying Rich is being disingenuous.  Given the backlash he recieved for the original estimates, I'm sure if he was willing to say that at least some guitars in the second shipment would go to Canada, that was pretty clearly the plan.  But if that can change - with guitars available - than at this point I have to assume everything is fluid.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by zeddd on 2011-02-16 10:02:25

It certainly would be nice if Rich or someone else from Line 6 was contributing more to these threads and keeping us afoot of what is going on.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by SolihullShredder on 2011-02-16 15:14:01

You guys think you have delays? Thomann, a main european distributor has changed their website today to show an estimated August 2011 shipment of most JTVs - I am now officially fed up with the wait and will be off the spend my gas cash elsewhere. I feel Line6 have handled this one poorly...  I preordered in October 2010.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by digiprod on 2011-02-16 15:31:01

alanroll wrote:

You guys think you have delays? Thomann, a main european distributor has changed their website today to show an estimated August 2011 shipment of most JTVs - I am now officially fed up with the wait and will be off the spend my gas cash elsewhere. I feel Line6 have handled this one poorly...  I preordered in October 2010.

Ouch!!!



Re: Expected Release Date???
by jyflorida on 2011-02-16 15:36:37

FWIW, I called Musician's Friend today to ask about the March 7 delivery date - VERY non-commital beyond saying that the date on the website is the only info they've received from Line 6.  Hopefully Line 6 realizes that the frustration we're feeling at this point is quite justified.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by stumpsout on 2011-02-16 18:12:09

yeah, i know I spelled Hoomungous wrong..I was pretty choked at the time

I have been supportive and understanding of the decision to just delay the guitar and get it right when there was word of a problem in the manufacturing..even cheering things on..

..but taking the Canadian ones that were on the way..basically meaning the guitar I had been waiting for...and making me wait extra because of THAT...is like a kick in the teeth to go with the kicking sand in the face.

This is one big lousy vibe to me now



Re: Expected Release Date???
by Nick_Mattocks on 2011-02-17 01:35:40

zeddd wrote:

It certainly would be nice if Rich or someone else from Line 6 was contributing more to these threads and keeping us afoot of what is going on.

I think Rich is working incredibly hard to get these guitars out to all of us as quickly as possible.  They are coming for sure.  They are definitely going to be worth the wait.  Hang in there.  We just have to exercise a little patience



Re: Expected Release Date???
by zeddd on 2011-02-17 01:52:12

nickmattocks wrote:

zeddd wrote:

It certainly would be nice if Rich or someone else from Line 6 was contributing more to these threads and keeping us afoot of what is going on.

I think Rich is working incredibly hard to get these guitars out to all of us as quickly as possible.  They are coming for sure.  They are definitely going to be worth the wait.  Hang in there.  We just have to exercise a little patience

Thanks Nick. I think we all need to be reminded of that every few days, myself included. It is tough waiting for something so fantastic... especially when the end of the waiting is still indefinite.

But a few positive sentences such as yours can go a long way... will keep me happy for a few days anyway!



Re: Expected Release Date???
by wahwah666 on 2011-02-17 01:54:38

Sorry but I feel people have been very patient but it seems plucking a date a month or so ahead and then doing the same at the end of the suggested month is the norm here. This just keeps getting put back with Rich telling us 'it'll be worth the wait'...I'm sure it will but the wait is the issue. I've been a musician for nearly 40 years and bought 100's of items from 100's of manufacturers and I've NEVER known a situation where the date is constantly missed and the price increased just to really make you scratch your head and wonder why you're hanging in there...oh yeah, I have it on order at the £799 price but sick of waiting. I wasn't happy that xmas was missed...this latest set of dates just amazes me. Where is an official statement???



Re: Expected Release Date???
by zeddd on 2011-02-17 02:08:41

wahwah666 wrote:

Where is an official statement???

I agree that there ought to be an official statement made in this forum.

Patience is easier when you understand why you are having to be patient and what is expected to happen next. If the container ship which had a big shipment of guitars went missing after a big storm at sea, if would be easier to be sympathetic if we had the details.

But no question it will be worth the wait. One day we'll remember how patient we had to be in order to be early adopters of this amazing guitar! Hopefully by the time we need a replacement guitar (due to theft or fire or whatever) there will be plenty available and it will be easy to get one quickly.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by lachlan123 on 2011-02-17 07:00:04

I have pretty much become increasingly under the impression that the absence of any official word is likely because they either don't know, or it's too bad of news to say. Also anything from line 6 doesn't give them any wiggle room if they miss dates they give to us etc... and considering the JTV's track record of extended delays. I don't think line 6 would want to be telling us consumers anything other than how worth it the wait will be. Hopefully that all strung together into a vaguely passable paragraph. It's quite late here and am too tired to proof read it.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by Jasonbrianmerrill on 2011-02-17 07:02:15

Got mine yesterday. I gave up on musicians friend and purchased it privately, thanks to this forum. Still trying it out, will post  thoughts about it this weekend probably, after the school work is done.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by EnglishJW on 2011-02-17 07:07:31

I think the majority of us have been "a little patient."  We understood that there were problems and (I assume) most of us were fully supportive of a decision to correct the problems rather than shipping defective products.  But when have we passed the time frame for a little patience?  I think that is what has happened.  Rich is certainly a nice guy but where is the official communication to us from Line 6 as others have asked?  We need something more formal from Line 6 and better information of what is actually happening behind the scenes.  At this point, no matter how wonderful the JTVs are, there will be a voluminous cloud of ill will.  Now that I have finally vented a bit, I still don't feel any better.  Come on Line 6 - we deserve better.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by digiprod on 2011-02-17 08:06:58

Let's be honest, Line 6 was talking up a September/October 2010 delivery date when they had not had even ONE production guitar built!  So they are either deluded or lost or something. It was pretty obvious that when Rich R said he was flying to Korea back then that THAT date was no where near correct as there would have to be time for getting enough guitars to ship and get them by ship to the US for setup and then to dealers.

I would not believe much of what Line 6 claims at this point and neither do the two online retailers (they have told me this) I have pre-orders with.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by U2acrobatNL on 2011-02-17 08:08:29

Last thing I heard was that Rich was flying to the UK on the 14th february with some Line 6 folks to set up the first batch for Europe. Does anyone know whether this actually happened?



Re: Expected Release Date???
by variaxlover on 2011-02-17 08:30:03

Rich flew to London on February 11th or 12th.  He probably was working on that first batch through the 14th and later.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by BBarker on 2011-02-17 08:54:50

This forum does reach London right?



Re: Expected Release Date???
by Nick_Mattocks on 2011-02-17 13:48:29

gwbark81 wrote:

This forum does reach London right?

Yes it certainly does - and other parts of the UK too.

We have electricity, TV and stuff too

If Rich was supposed to be in the UK, then really there's no reason to believe he isn't here in the UK.  If he is in the UK working on the first batch of JTV guitars as he indicated he would be, then there's every chance he's pretty busy I'd say.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by jayson2 on 2011-02-17 14:20:43

I agree that, if I lived in the EU, I'd prefer Rich keep working on getting the JTV's out to customers as quick as possible but I think that someone from Line 6 should be able to comment on these new delays.  Especially if we were told one thing a month ago and now retailors are saying something else.

From Line 6, I'd like to know if it's true that the Canadian shipment which was strongly hinted at was in fact diverted.  I'd like to know why but would understand if they can't give reason (if this was posted in a thread somewhere by Line 6, I must have missed it ... please post the link).

My GAS is getting extremely uncomfortable! 

Cheers,

jayson



Re: Expected Release Date???
by guslopcej on 2011-02-17 15:49:38

Thomann says 2011/July/20.

Line6 says: be Patient?



Re: Expected Release Date???
by sparkyERTW on 2011-02-17 16:38:33

jayson2 wrote:

From Line 6, I'd like to know if it's true that the Canadian shipment which was strongly hinted at was in fact diverted.  I'd like to know why but would understand if they can't give reason (if this was posted in a thread somewhere by Line 6, I must have missed it ... please post the link).

Nothing from Line 6; all we have is what stumps shared with us.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by BrookieBob on 2011-02-17 19:05:23

It appears that communication on why most of the ETA's on JTV's for the USA are late February / early March, Canada after that, Europe / UK in June / July / August - and the rest of the world (including us forgotten folk in Australia) is needed from Rich. I was informed by my local retailer via the local Line 6 distributor that Australia would get supply probably after Europe. That is not good. Guitar apartheid? Who knows.

I'm wondering why Rich himself is looking after the final setup of the JTV's in Europe. Would there be no local expert on these that can get on and do this, freeing up Rich to address the long supply time of JTV's and communicate on this? Is Line 6 that under-resourced? The cost of sending Rich to the UK to do this would be the better part of $5K USD - if he's flown economy. If it's business class - $10k. Maybe money better spent on a local, fully-briefed Line 6 team of guitar finishers?

It's admirable that Rich is giving all these guitars the personal touch, but there is only so much one man can do. Is this adding to the waiting time on these?



Re: Expected Release Date???
by MartinHines on 2011-02-17 19:51:29

BrookieBob wrote:

I'm wondering why Rich himself is looking after the final setup of the JTV's in Europe. Would there be no local expert on these that can get on and do this, freeing up Rich to address the long supply time of JTV's and communicate on this? Is Line 6 that under-resourced? The cost of sending Rich to the UK to do this would be the better part of $5K USD - if he's flown economy. If it's business class - $10k. Maybe money better spent on a local, fully-briefed Line 6 team of guitar finishers?

It's admirable that Rich is giving all these guitars the personal touch, but there is only so much one man can do. Is this adding to the waiting time on these?

Rich (and possibly another person or two) are overseeing the final setup of the first batch in the UK, which includes training the local people on exactly what needs to be done.

It is easier (and less expensive in the end) to be there showing people what needs to be done rather than trying to talk them through it on the phone.

Having one lead person work with all the main distribution groups (U.S. and Europe, possibly more) ensures consistency.

Since the U.S. group has already been "trained" on JTV setup, the U.S. group is most likely performing final setup on guitars right now while Rich is in the U.K.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by BrookieBob on 2011-02-17 20:01:01

Understood - I've previously been responsible for such things myself.

The lack of communication on global supply / phasing is not good though - if you're giving ETA's up to a year later than your expected launch dates, then someone screwed up somewhere. I'm sure the Managing Director of Line 6 is still back in California - I would expect either a customer notice / apology on the Line 6 website from him (it is a him), or some degree of delegation on this.

The Line 6 Marketing Dept did a great job of whetting the appetite of a global market on this product - the time to explain everything is now - the customers are waiting to hear these explainations.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by Nick_Mattocks on 2011-02-18 00:47:32

guslopcej wrote:

Thomann says 2011/July/20.

Line6 says: be Patient?

Thomman have quite a large Net presence and often have double or four page ads in music magazines, but you have to remember Thomman are not the only supplier in Europe by a long way, plus Thomman's dates have shifted before.  Like any other supplier Thomman can only go by current information that they have or haven't got.

The bottom line is that all our guitars that are on pre-order from whoever we ordered them from mine included will be ready when they're ready, but I can say for certain that these guitars will be worth the wait.  If Rich said he was going to be in the UK over-seeing the initial setups, this week then I would be inclined to believe that's exactly what he's done or is doing.

If we want to stay in the game and become owners of one of these new JTV's then being impatient is not going to make the guitars appear any quicker, so whilst I am G.A.S.sing just as much as anyone, it's not good for my health or blood pressure to get too excited.  I'd rather have a well made and properly set up JTV 59 than one that was rushed out and less than perfect.

I'm equally certain that when Rich is able to spend some time at his computer keyboard rather than doing whatever he has to do whilst in the UK, and when he has some solid news for us, he will pop up here and give us some news.

Like any of us, if we're typing on forums like this, then we're almost certain not to be doing something else, so if Rich ain't typing there's a very good chance he's doing something else which is equally as or more important 



Re: Expected Release Date???
by Johan_de_Greyze on 2011-02-18 01:46:55

Hi Guys

I am reading the posts of this community since October last year and ordered my JTV-69 Candy Apple Red in June last year (in The Netherlands). It strikes me that I see recurring subjects and emotion coming back time by time. I can imagine that people get fed up with this, especially when they sold something to buy this toy. But it does not help to get frustrated, I wrote this before: keep your soul in peace. The only other thing you can do is give up and buy another's brand toy.

For myself I am still looking forward to get it because the technical possibilities and specs of this guitar beats all others, which is convincingly show in a large number of web sites at least in my opinion.

I'm really curious if Rich is handling my guitar at this very moment and hope I will hear about it soon. My retailer still did not change the expected delivery date (estimate), being end of February, beginning of March.

If not, well then I'll wait untill July or whatever date it will be. In the mean time I will use my Burns Apache, Fender, or Taylor.

Peace brothers ☺

JanW



Re: Expected Release Date???
by Sampo72 on 2011-02-18 02:28:56

I got personal message from Thomann's designated Finland guy today. Last week they forwarded me message from Line 6 EU territorial manager, which I read as positive one ("However, stocks will be arriving regularly between our initial shipping date and following on through to June.").

Today's message basically said that they have no idea about what, if anything, will arrive this spring and stated that Line 6 distribution indicates that it will take until next summer, contrary what they posted a week ago.

On the other hand, I am detaching myself from this situation. The guitar is fully paid and Thomann won't cancel my order -- the guitar will be here someday. When, I better not think about it too often.

But on the other hand, they took my money, they gave me multiple dates which they constantly miss. "Hang in there. It will be worth the wait. Next month" reasoning is unacceptable.   

But I am not holding my breath anymore. And I'll get that GR-55 meantime.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by jdenkevitz on 2011-02-18 04:42:28

Sampo72 wrote:

On the other hand, I am detaching myself from this situation. The guitar is fully paid and Thomann won't cancel my order -- the guitar will be here someday. When, I better not think about it too often.

Im surprised that consumer protection laws permit this in your country. You have paid for an item which has not been sent, nor are you given a date it will arive. Them holding your money in this scenario is ridiculous.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by zeddd on 2011-02-18 05:12:32

Remember when McDonalds had a policy where any order was free if it was not served within 5 minutes?

That would be cool here.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by MerlinFL on 2011-02-18 10:37:13

zeddd wrote:

Remember when McDonalds had a policy where any order was free if it was not served within 5 minutes?

That would be cool here.

Dominos had the "delivered in 30 minutes or less, or it's free."  The cost of the pizza was taken from the delivery people, so they started speeding and getting into a large number of car crashes and tons of law suits against Dominos for irresponsible business practices.  So that ended that!!

If anyone wants to think about the bigger picture why this situation is as bad as it is??

Line 6 KNOWS how many orders for each model they have from the ENTIRE planet.

Line 6 KNOWS that World Music COULD produce all of those orders, BUT two things must happen first...

1) line 6 needs to TELL World Music that they WANT all of the "thousands?" of each model order produced at ONE TIME.

2) Line 6 has to PAY up front 50% to World Music to start production, then PAY the BALANCE when the production is completed and ready to ship.

This would tie up so much of the company's capital, I doubt they would ever do something like this as it is not smart business to tie up the capital for that long.

Now for Line 6 to get their money back, they have to get the guitars to the retailers, then the retailers have 30 to 60 days?? to pay the invoice TO Line 6, then if you multiply that by how many retailers around the world, this is just not good BUSINESS.  So this will never happen.  This is just plain ole corporate thinking and "smart" business.

Things the company would have no control over is the suppliers of the components.  If these were or are not up to the quality standards Line 6 has designed, then nothing can move forward.  PLUS every time a production has to be cancelled and rescheduled it is usually 3 months further back.

Now for the record - NONE of what I wrote comes from line 6, was told to me BY anyone at Line 6 or any other company involved in producing these guitars.  I based all this on my decades of production knowledge dealing with the collectible statue and action figure industry.  After all, business is business anywhere in the world these days.  "World Economy" and all that stuff, right?

2-3 cents worth,

Neal



Re: Expected Release Date???
by jyflorida on 2011-02-18 16:09:41

If anyone's interested, Musician's Friend has a used black 69 for sale...

http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Line-6-JTV69?sku=H05503#used



Re: Expected Release Date???
by sparkyERTW on 2011-02-18 18:47:43

There's also apparently a red 89 at Sam Ash - new, in this case

http://www.samash.com/p/Line6_JTV89%20James%20Tyler%20Variax%20Shred%20Style_1410246



Re: Expected Release Date???
by orion8251 on 2011-02-19 00:55:13

I see alot of negativity on this thread and I thought I would chime in with my $0.02.  I know for you guys still waiting for your JTV and waiting, and waiting, and waiting that it sucks!  I ordered my JTV-59 in September and didn't get it until around mid-January.  I was one of the "lucky" ones who had a bad selector switch (and also a crack in the finish at the neck joint) and had to send mine back to Line 6 for a replacement.  It was very hard to pack that guitar back into the box and watch UPS drive off with it after waiting that long.  That being said, the replacement I got is PERFECT.  I want to provide some positive information here.  I am absolutely blown away with my JTV-59.  I have the black one and the finish is absolutely beautiful.  The setup right out of the box was really, really good.  In fact, I've had it for almost two weeks now and I haven't touched anything on the setup (and I'm really picky about the action on my guitars).  My style of music is mostly blues with a little dirt (aka Les Paul into a Soldano) so I like a guitar with responsiveness and feel.  I have a '07 Gibson Les Paul Classic Antique (mahongany on mahongany) that is a brillant guitar that, until now, I have been using exclusively for recording and playing.  Since I have finally got the JTV-59, my Les Paul hasn't even came out of the case...FACT.  The variety of tones available on the JTV has kept me very busy trying to choose which ones to use on a track.  I automatically assumed that I would gravitate toward the Lester (58 Standard), but the Spank model is absolutely amazing.  I have been using the Semi, the Special, the Chime, and even the Jazzbox and they all sound great!  It's amazing to me as this is my first Variax.  Last night I was trying to lay some blues lead tracks down and having one of those nights where I couldn't play the notes with my fingers that were in my brain, so I just quit recording for awhile and dialed up a high-gain amp model on POD Farm 2.0 (Bogner Uberschall) switched over the mag pups on the JTV-59 and just let 'er rip.  WOW!  I guess I hadn't really messed too much with the mag pups before then.  They are GREAT.  My Gibby has 57 Classic pups in it and I think my JTV sounds as good if not better in high gain situations.  Maybe its the maple cap on the JTV vice the mahongany cap on my Gibby?  I don't know, but I will tell you guys this.....hang in there.  Wait it out.  The guitars are coming and once you get it in your hands and get to know it, you will appreciate the fact that you waited and didn't bail out.  I can't specifically speak for the 69 or the 89, but my JTV-59 is a tremendous guitar!  I don't see myself ever getting rid of it.

-Toby



Re: Expected Release Date???
by laelamiles on 2011-02-19 02:17:08

Could you make a video review or post some pictures?



Re: Expected Release Date???
by papaki23 on 2011-02-19 02:54:11

I think that this is not a serious company. They announced a new guitar and they said that would be shipped  the previous summer and we'll see if we'll have it in our hands the next summer.

I didn't listen to any apologies yet.Maybe they are doing business with our money.

I've sold my guitar in September (an old Variax) to buy a new Variax.So, I'm waiting and waiting without any news from anyone of the company.They must be ashame.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by Jasonbrianmerrill on 2011-02-19 07:57:51

got mine, and maybe it's better you guys are waiting, cause it sounds like this:

http://line6.com/community/thread/57298



Re: Expected Release Date???
by digiprod on 2011-02-19 08:14:10

papaki23 wrote:

I think that this is not a serious company. They announced a new guitar and they said that would be shipped  the previous summer and we'll see if we'll have it in our hands the next summer.

I didn't listen to any apologies yet.Maybe they are doing business with our money.

I've sold my guitar in September (an old Variax) to buy a new Variax.So, I'm waiting and waiting without any news from anyone of the company.They must be ashame.

Some truth to what you say. I pre-ordered two JTV in September 2010 which was after the first supposed ship dates and I still have no guitars. Many of the ones that were delivered came with bad setups, bad switches and other issues. In the long run the JTV will actually arrive ONE YEAR late!

No normal fair-minded person could call this rollout successful! I have really given up on this and just watch it with some amusement.

It is pretty obvious that Line 6 announced this product to hype and get pre-orders without any reasonable time frame of when actual production guitars would be ready. The were still telling dealers last year they were coming in a few weeks when NOT ONE production guitar was even built in Korea. These guitars when built would need to be shipped to the US (or elsewhere) for setup and than shipped to dealers (this does not take days it takes weeks or months). Most of the dealers by now probably do not believe anything Line 6 claims regarding ship dates.

The ONLY reason I have not cancelled my pre-orders as I am locked into the old price and this point really do not care when they come. I may not even keep them.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by orion8251 on 2011-02-19 08:34:55

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_KvqZ19XS5AU/TVhe-5ePlQI/AAAAAAAAAds/AnO4lM3AXIo/s400/February%202011%20036.JPG

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_KvqZ19XS5AU/TVhfC7vCLMI/AAAAAAAAAd0/q7hL13uoCvE/s400/February%202011%20038.JPG

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_KvqZ19XS5AU/TVhfWY5Bg1I/AAAAAAAAAek/TIummq0GhJ4/s400/February%202011%20049.JPG



Re: Expected Release Date???
by EnglishJW on 2011-02-19 08:38:22

Thanks for the pictures!  It looks great.  You've given me a bit more patience!



Re: Expected Release Date???
by toasterdude on 2011-02-19 10:12:53

Got a call from my sweetwater rep yesterday to say that my second JTV59 was in and did I want it. I gave em the new CC number and it is on it's way.

I honestly have not played the new JTV all that much. I need to change the strings to 11s and adjust the neck a bit. I still prefer the neck on my warmoth tele xplant.

I am leaving for a 2 week biz trip tomorrow morning and will most likely take the JTV. One of my flights may be a puddle jumper so in case I have to gate check the gig bag I would rather it be the 59 than my xplant as if it gets a bit damaged it won't matter as I will be pulling the guts out for the xplant any way.

I am not sure if the 59 that just shipped is a new arrival or a return. . . .will find out after this 2 week jaunt. . .



Re: Expected Release Date???
by laelamiles on 2011-02-19 10:58:51

Thanks a lot for the pictures!!  I would love to see more picture, video, review, recording contributions from people who already have their JTV!!



Re: Expected Release Date???
by Belew01 on 2011-02-19 14:20:59

Toaster, when did you order your 59(s)?  Only curious since I ordered a 59 from Sweetwater last July and haven't heard anything from my rep.  Thanks.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by toasterdude on 2011-02-20 02:16:46

Belew01 wrote:

Toaster, when did you order your 59(s)?  Only curious since I ordered a 59 from Sweetwater last July and haven't heard anything from my rep.  Thanks.

I ordered both back in june. First one was june 1st.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by BrookieBob on 2011-02-20 16:33:37

Re:

If anyone wants to think about the bigger picture why this situation is as bad as it is??

Line 6 KNOWS how many orders for each model they have from the ENTIRE planet.

Line 6 KNOWS that World Music COULD produce all of those orders, BUT two things must happen first...

1) line 6 needs to TELL World Music that they WANT all of the "thousands?" of each model order produced at ONE TIME.

2) Line 6 has to PAY up front 50% to World Music to start production, then PAY the BALANCE when the production is completed and ready to ship.

This would tie up so much of the company's capital, I doubt they would ever do something like this as it is not smart business to tie up the capital for that long.

Now for Line 6 to get their money back, they have to get the guitars to the retailers, then the retailers have 30 to 60 days?? to pay the invoice TO Line 6, then if you multiply that by how many retailers around the world, this is just not good BUSINESS.  So this will never happen.  This is just plain ole corporate thinking and "smart" business.

Things the company would have no control over is the suppliers of the components.  If these were or are not up to the quality standards Line 6 has designed, then nothing can move forward.  PLUS every time a production has to be cancelled and rescheduled it is usually 3 months further back.

Now for the record - NONE of what I wrote comes from line 6, was told to me BY anyone at Line 6 or any other company involved in producing these guitars.  I based all this on my decades of production knowledge dealing with the collectible statue and action figure industry.  After all, business is business anywhere in the world these days.  "World Economy" and all that stuff, right?

2-3 cents worth,

Neal

You're absolutely correct one one particular point - Line 6 knows how many pre-orders are in the system - and when they were ordered - so they know beyond doubt both (a) the demand over time and (b) the raw material acquisition required (along with the aquisition timelines on those raw materials).

World Music are a 3rd party manufacturer who are being subcontracted by Line 6 to make these guitars, but many of the components of the guitars themselves will come via OEM (Original Equipment Manufacturers) - things like pickups, tuners, etc. Some of these will be in the USA, Korea etc - pretty much global. Line 6 will have the contracts with OEM suppliers - not World Music. World Music are the assembly stage, and also make the bodies / necks / frets. As World Music are manufacturing other companies' products as well (notably PRS' SE range), it is unlikely that World Music themselves would carry the burden for much of the invested capital itself on a new and unknown guitar technology - most of this would have to be carried by the 'parent' company - in this case Line 6.

And a 'technology-driven' industry this now is - and this is exactly what Line 6 is promoting it to be!

The JTV is a 'technology guitar'  - that is how it is sold and marketed, that is it's 'point of difference'.

Every piece of marketing copy from Line 6 is about technology advancement, be it guitars, amps, pedals, wireless systems...... they are trying to create 'uncontested market space' (the 'Blue Ocean Strategy' - look it up if interested) to grow at a faster rate than their major competitors ,which they have done successfully up to this point. 

Question - if you've triumphantly announced to the market that you have made a 'step-change' in guitar technology - which Line 6 did early last year - and did again recently with effect technology with the HD500 - and then your launch plan is delayed by up to a year due to (a) the guitars weren't good enough to be released in August Sept 2010 (documented), (b) component sourcing issues delayed the planned pre-Christmas 2010 release (again documented), (c) switch issues complicate / slow the launch end of 2010 / beginning of 2011 (well documented), and finally (d) too much demand (!!) slowing global availability (again documented) - then how successful will you be?

My point - if you're in a technology-driven business and you have delays, you have a major corporate liability, not a 'smart' business. If you have a good awareness of your demand you're supposed to manage your supply chain and your working capital (the physical guitar parts and every thing needed to make them).

An illustration: if you're Apple, and you've just spent a lot of money and time telling the world that you're made a major advance with your iPhone, and then have a delay of up to a year to roll this out to the global market, you are going to have a PR problem, a loss of available demand, and you're going to give market share to your competitors (who are going to use this time that you couldn't get your act together to catch up to you and pass you if they can). That's bad business - what is the price of goodwill and loyalty in the guitar segment? I'd say it is huge - the amount of people who would identify themselves as Fender or Gibson or PRS etc afficionados would be big. Fender & Gibson are already tring to get into the 'multi-tone' guitar segment - how long before they get it right?

The guitar market is not really huge on a global scale, but it is very well informed at the upper price / technology levels. For every person posting on this forum there may be 10 others reading and taking notice who simply just try and keep up to date and then vote with their feet.

I have no problem with Line 6 trying to get the JTV right - but I think they need to manage their supply chain better, and get some realism and extra resources into their production planning. This could have already been a global mega-hit for Line 6 by now..........if........

I do think that Line 6's methodology of global stock allocation is not first come, first served (try a FIFO system for fairness, people!) but is driven by having most of the 'finishing' done in the USA (quick / easy / cheaper shipment to local USA markets once finished). The concept of certain parts of the world having access to this technology months before others is reprehensible and lazy. Get global and get truly responsible, and don't over-promise and under-deliver.

PS - the idea that Rich dosn't have time to comment because he is busy setting up / teaching others to set-up JTV's is absurd - is he Line 6's only employee? Delegate. Customers are more likely to be understanding about delays if full and clear communiction is made - not a moving feast of vague timelines and promises of 'it will be worth it'.

I don't know if it will be worth it - no JTV has even been sighted here in Australia, and the only communication I have is that it will be 'after Europe - maybe August 2011, or after that.....'.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by digiprod on 2011-02-20 17:08:42

Fender and Gibson just might get it right before Line 6 can figure out how to build a quality problem free guitar. The JTV is basically the same guitar as the old Variax running the same models, just improved. They still seem to being having lost of issues building quality guitars and meeting the orders and this has been years!

If Fender or Gibson can not make a competing product and "technology" is threatening share, they may just buy Line 6. But more likely they will do what most other companies do, reverse-engineer the Variax and build a competing product. Microsoft has survived doing that for over 30 years! They are guitars not rocket science. It appears Fender and Gibson can already build quality guitars at low prices. I just picked up a brand new Epiphone (owned by Gibson) for $360 bucks (on sale was $499) to fool around with and the quality from China is better that the Line 6 guitars I have owned.

Sure this Epiphone does not compete with the nice Gretsches, Fender USA, or Gibsons I also own. But it is built better and setup better than any Line 6 guitar I have played. I have not yet played a JTV as like most others I am waiting!



Re: Expected Release Date???
by digiprod on 2011-02-20 17:09:55

orion8251 wrote:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_KvqZ19XS5AU/TVhe-5ePlQI/AAAAAAAAAds/AnO4lM3AXIo/s400/February%202011%20036.JPG

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_KvqZ19XS5AU/TVhfC7vCLMI/AAAAAAAAAd0/q7hL13uoCvE/s400/February%202011%20038.JPG

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_KvqZ19XS5AU/TVhfWY5Bg1I/AAAAAAAAAek/TIummq0GhJ4/s400/February%202011%20049.JPG

Why didn't I order a Black one, looks nice! Congrats!



Re: Expected Release Date???
by sparkyERTW on 2011-02-20 17:48:34

I've always preferred bursts and translucent finishes (I dig wood grain) far more than opaque ones... but that black '59 really is a beauty.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by rico on 2011-02-21 00:52:48

Hey BrookieBob, YOU'VE SAID IT ALL!!

The marketing/delivery 'strategy' from the JTV is one of the biggest mistakes in the history of Line 6. Doing the talk in Europe March 2010 yelling "PLEASE BUY THIS PRODUCT" but NOT doing the walk! My advise: next time some Line 6 salesman shouts from a stand "buy my product", just ignore him. Let them first proove to us that they take us (customers) seriously!

I really hope they'll get some serious competition from other companies, since their arrogance is way beyond realistic!

Rico (Europe)



Re: Expected Release Date???
by edstar1960 on 2011-02-21 02:56:53

That black JTV-59 looks amazing!   I am beginning to wish I had ordered a black one now instead of cherry sunburst!    Thanks for posting the pics!

My Variax 700 is just plain black, and I have Gibson LP Standard in ebony - so I fancied a change with the cherry sunburst and it looked the best in the early promo pictures - but seeing that brand new black JTV-59 in bright sunlight really makes me wonder if I have made the right choice.

Maybe I will have to swap when mine eventually shows up .... or if it is as good as all the positive reviews have said it is .....maybe buy another one!  

Hang on..... I think that is big time G.A.S. occurring there ................ 



Re: Expected Release Date???
by Sampo72 on 2011-02-21 03:20:23

Rich posted something on Hugeracksinc.com yesterday. Really good news for somebody in this thread. I'm kinda having my hopes up, again. 

Postby richrenken » Sun Feb 20, 2011 4:06 am

Hey guys, Rich here. I am in the UK. I just set up the first batch for Europe. [snipped]
See the rest here:


Re: Expected Release Date???
by edstar1960 on 2011-02-21 05:16:55

Thanks for the post Sampo72 - maybe I will be getting my JTV-59 CSB sooner than I think, my dealer said they we promised guitars from the first batch to hit the UK and that I am top of their list for thatmodel....... but I won't hold my breath..... and I won't believe it until I get official notification from my dealer ...... I sent them a reminder email at the weekend and I am waiting to hear back..... fingers crossed it will be good news and a not too far off delivery date!   



Re: Expected Release Date???
by Sampo72 on 2011-02-21 05:30:27

Yeah, it's good to have some positive news for a change!! I checked some UK dealers, as of now Anderton's have this for CAR'69:

Availability: Out of stock Next delivery due 28/02/2011

And some '59's are scheduled 15/03/2011, and some are still without dates. (I remember last week they were labeled as "Out of stock Normally available in 1 to 2 weeks")

I then checked Thomann .....  01.08.2011. Damn. But there is progress!!!



Re: Expected Release Date???
by edstar1960 on 2011-02-21 08:52:39

My supplier replied - they say they are expecting their first delivery end of Feb or early March - HOWEVER - Line6 have not told them exactly which guitars they wil be receiving or how many of each - they suspect that they won't get ALL of their pre-orders this time round.  They did confirm, once again that I am first on their list for a JTV-59 CSB, so if they get one with their first delivery, then it will be heading my way.   They did say they will contact me as soon as they hear anything.  So it is still far from certain and not the answer I was hoping for, so I will just have to sit tight and wait for more definite news...... hope it won't be too much longer..... I placed the order end of Sep 2010.... I have been patient.....but the excitement is building!!      



Re: Expected Release Date???
by Goocher on 2011-02-21 10:11:23

BrookieBob wrote:

PS - the idea that Rich dosn't have time to comment because he is busy setting up / teaching others to set-up JTV's is absurd - is he Line 6's only employee? Delegate. Customers are more likely to be understanding about delays if full and clear communiction is made - not a moving feast of vague timelines and promises of 'it will be worth it'.

Brookie, you're way, way, way late to the party.  And your presumption about Rich is, well, rich.  I'm being sarcastic.  You sound like the people in the nut gallery from a few months ago.  Perhaps you could go back and actually read Rich's old posts, especially responding to ones like yours.  And don't give me "I already did, " because I don't believe you based on your post above.  We've been over this again, and again, and again.  Perhaps he's not responding to these same presumptions for the nineth time because it's in a bunch of other threads already.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by BrookieBob on 2011-02-21 15:47:57

Re: Brookie, you're way, way, way late to the party.  And your presumption about Rich is, well, rich.  I'm being sarcastic.  You sound like the people in the nut gallery from a few months ago.  Perhaps you could go back and actually read Rich's old posts, especially responding to ones like yours.  And don't give me "I already did, " because I don't believe you based on your post above.  We've been over this again, and again, and again.  Perhaps he's not responding to these same presumptions for the nineth time because it's in a bunch of other threads already.

Whether you believe me or not is irrelevant, but I have been reading these threads since the JTV was first put up on this site. I'm one of the 'silent majority' who have been watching it all unfold - hoping that this was going to get better. Far from being a 'nut job' my position has far more insight into technology and global commerce than you realise. Grouping my comments with the previous 'when are we going to get it?' type posts is also too simplistic.

You are assuming that I want Rich to comment or reply to every post - far from it.

My email is really to the CEO of Line 6 (Mike Meunch) or the SVC of Operations (Joe Bentivegna) and their VP of Marketing Communications (they do have one) - this is their job - to comment via a message on the Line 6 website (not the blogs on here) on exactly where we are at with global product supply after consultation with his supply chain.That's what a real leader does - lead from the front. Give the volumes by model, when they are to arrive and where - and I'll say no more. This is not being communicated at present because Line 6 senior management erroneously see this as a liability - because it's not a good story.

I don't expect Rich to do everything - but I do expect that he would 'manage up' his own chain of command and enlist his senior management team to help him with market communication and avoid having his customer base give the JTV concept a miss.

I work in a senior position within a $52Bn USD organisation which makes Line 6 look like a market stall, and if I failed to communicate clearly on the current status of a key new technology to a key group of customers - and the lead time on this has blown out to over a year - I would find myself on the streets with a boot in my back.

I know that the guitar industry is labor-intensive (annual revenue of $130k USD per employee on average) so delays are inevitable - just communicate clearly and we will understand.

I backed the JTV enough to research it to death, believe a moving feast of arrival information, sell my Variax 700 / PODXt Live, and pre-order a JTV from 16,000km away (that's 10,000 miles if you're in the USA or UK), and now have no information on when it will arrive - because Line 6 have not even made a JTV commitment at all in the country that I live in.

I want the JTV concept to work - and as someone who manages people in positions like Rich, I'm giving Line 6 exactly the kind of customer feedback that they need to move their business forward. It's up to them as to whether they want to listen - they're not the only fish in the sea and this isssue seems to go on and on for international customers.

PS - do you have your JTV yet - and where do you live? I've read about folks who will be getting their 2nd JTV-59 (which they're bought just for the modelling parts), and we wait indefinately O/S - justify that one.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by digiprod on 2011-02-21 17:11:14

BrookieBob wrote:

Re: Brookie, you're way, way, way late to the party.  And your presumption about Rich is, well, rich.  I'm being sarcastic.  You sound like the people in the nut gallery from a few months ago.  Perhaps you could go back and actually read Rich's old posts, especially responding to ones like yours.  And don't give me "I already did, " because I don't believe you based on your post above.  We've been over this again, and again, and again.  Perhaps he's not responding to these same presumptions for the nineth time because it's in a bunch of other threads already.

Whether you believe me or not is irrelevant, but I have been reading these threads since the JTV was first put up on this site. I'm one of the 'silent majority' who have been watching it all unfold - hoping that this was going to get better. Far from being a 'nut job' my position has far more insight into technology and global commerce than you realise. Grouping my comments with the previous 'when are we going to get it?' type posts is also too simplistic.

You are assuming that I want Rich to comment or reply to every post - far from it.

My email is really to the CEO of Line 6 (Mike Meunch) or the SVC of Operations (Joe Bentivegna) and their VP of Marketing Communications (they do have one) - this is their job - to comment via a message on the Line 6 website (not the blogs on here) on exactly where we are at with global product supply after consultation with his supply chain.That's what a real leader does - lead from the front. Give the volumes by model, when they are to arrive and where - and I'll say no more. This is not being communicated at present because Line 6 senior management erroneously see this as a liability - because it's not a good story.

I don't expect Rich to do everything - but I do expect that he would 'manage up' his own chain of command and enlist his senior management team to help him with market communication and avoid having his customer base give the JTV concept a miss.

I work in a senior position within a $52Bn USD organisation which makes Line 6 look like a market stall, and if I failed to communicate clearly on the current status of a key new technology to a key group of customers - and the lead time on this has blown out to over a year - I would find myself on the streets with a boot in my back.

I know that the guitar industry is labor-intensive (annual revenue of $130k USD per employee on average) so delays are inevitable - just communicate clearly and we will understand.

I backed the JTV enough to research it to death, believe a moving feast of arrival information, sell my Variax 700 / PODXt Live, and pre-order a JTV from 16,000km away (that's 10,000 miles if you're in the USA or UK), and now have no information on when it will arrive - because Line 6 have not even made a JTV commitment at all in the country that I live in.

I want the JTV concept to work - and as someone who manages people in positions like Rich, I'm giving Line 6 exactly the kind of customer feedback that they need to move their business forward. It's up to them as to whether they want to listen - they're not the only fish in the sea and this isssue seems to go on and on for international customers.

PS - do you have your JTV yet - and where do you live? I've read about folks who will be getting their 2nd JTV-59 (which they're bought just for the modelling parts), and we wait indefinately O/S - justify that one.

You sound like the voice of reason. I agree with most everything you said. Just so you know I live in the US and ordered a JTV-59 and JTV-59 from two different large online retailers in September 2010. Still no guitars here. Both dealers have told me several times that they have lost all confidence in any promised or suggested dates Line 6 gives anymore. They have missed every date mentioned. The only reason I have no cancelled is I am locked into the old price. Mentally, I have already moved on and recently bought two different guitars. I also sold my older Line 6 gear, thinking I would have the new guitars sooner.

I also work for a huge company (much larger than Line 6) and run a project for them. I would have been looking for a new job if I treated customers this way and did not provide any information this long! The so-valled commitments Line 6 has made in the US has yielded only a small amount of guitars with many of them with broken switches and other issues. So the story does not seem to be a good one and this has gone on what will soon be nearly a year!

The joke here is about nobody from Line 6 posts on this forum (except Rich once in awhile). The sad part is there are self-made spokesman on the forum that seem hell bent on minimizing this horrible rollout. You are not alone in your feelings.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by toasterdude on 2011-02-21 18:33:19

BrookieBob wrote:

I work in a senior position within a $52Bn USD organisation which makes Line 6 look like a market stall, and if I failed to communicate clearly on the current status of a key new technology to a key group of customers - and the lead time on this has blown out to over a year - I would find myself on the streets with a boot in my back.

I backed the JTV enough to research it to death, believe a moving feast of arrival information, sell my Variax 700 / PODXt Live, and pre-order a JTV from 16,000km away (that's 10,000 miles if you're in the USA or UK), and now have no information on when it will arrive - because Line 6 have not even made a JTV commitment at all in the country that I live in.

PS - do you have your JTV yet - and where do you live? I've read about folks who will be getting their 2nd JTV-59 (which they're bought just for the modelling parts), and we wait indefinately O/S - justify that one.

I agree 1,000% that Line 6 could do a better job in communications.

I do have one question and opne answer though. . . . .lol. . .

If you are in senior management at a 52 billion company. . . . . .. you had to sell your XT Live and Vax 700 to pre order a JTV?

How can we justify a guy getting 2 JTVs just for the modeling parts? Since I am the guy you were referring to, it is simple. I pre ordered in June. Of the first 6 59s sweetwater had on BO I had 2. Line 6 is a US company and fulfilled US orders first. Not all that unusual. I wouldn't complain if Vox sent product to UK first but they may see US as a bigger market and not do that. Soon all new products will ship to China first any way. . . . .



Re: Expected Release Date???
by MartinHines on 2011-02-21 19:41:30

digiprod wrote:

The sad part is there are self-made spokesman on the forum that seem hell bent on minimizing this horrible rollout.

The really sad part are the self-made alarmists who seem hell bent on making negative Line 6 posts in every thread.

Most people make one or two negative posts about the Line 6 JTV delays; others, let's call them "alarmists", make negative posts over and over and over again.

Someone complains about a delay, "Negative Nelly" piles on.  Someone else complains about a defect, "Negative Nelly" piles on.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by BrookieBob on 2011-02-21 20:03:49

I agree 1,000% that Line 6 could do a better job in communications.

I do have one question and opne answer though. . . . .lol. . .

If you are in senior management at a 52 billion company. . . . . .. you had to sell your XT Live and Vax 700 to pre order a JTV?

How can we justify a guy getting 2 JTVs just for the modeling parts? Since I am the guy you were referring to, it is simple. I pre ordered in June. Of the first 6 59s sweetwater had on BO I had 2. Line 6 is a US company and fulfilled US orders first. Not all that unusual. I wouldn't complain if Vox sent product to UK first but they may see US as a bigger market and not do that. Soon all new products will ship to China first any way. . . . .

I can see why you've asked - let me explain.

I sold my Vax 700 and XTLive very cheaply to a young P&W musician - there is no way he could have afforded those here in Australia (Vax 700's had an RRP for $2.5k to $3.5k AUD when they came out) - it was my way of supporting what he was doing in his ministry (he really wanted these and asked to buy them), and anyway, I had a JTV-59 on order and was told that it would ship at the latest on the 28th of January 2011...........

I didn't sell my gear because I lack the funds - but I do relate to those who do, because I can remember clearly at one time not owning much more than the clothes that I wore - and I feel obliged to speak on their behalf from time to time.

BTW - Line 6 is a global company (Rich has spoken elsewhere of wanting 'world domination') - they have distributors and retailers even here who promote their gear a lot - but are very frustrated with them at present. Vox used to be a UK company, but have been owned by a Japanese company for some time (Korg), and are curiously distributed here (very well, actually) by another Japanese company (Yamaha).

If you want to crack a global market, you fill your channels of (global) distribution ASAP - the ROI is immediate and substantial cash flow back to the parent company -  and if you're our friend Rich, you've made your name as a rising young star in Line 6. This is what Line 6 really wanted - till they had one set-back after another.

I seriously doubt the USA company supplying USA customers was anything more than convenience and cost - the USA would have the bulk of the backorders as at December 2010, so a logistics wizard at Line 6 said - "let's erase the closest backorders 1st".

I think your purchase of 2 JTV-59's was a smart move, and it sounds like you had a plan, stuck to it and it came off. I was in a Guitar Centre in California in October 2010 - they hadn't really heard much about them then, and didn't even have any to show me (as we know). If they had some, I might have bought a couple of them myself - sounds like a good idea.

You are correct about China - they are working hard to dominate the economic globe and are now busy lending money to the US.

I don't know why the JTV's destined for Asian markets (like Australia) can't be set up in Korea as well as manufactured there - then we wouldn't have the extended lead time and cost of making in Korea --> set up in the USA --> ship out to Australia at some nebulous point in the future.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by lachlan123 on 2011-02-21 23:41:34

Brookie, just out of interest what is your current ETA given to your by your dealer for the JTV? I've got a 69 on order at my local billy hyde and I get them to phone the distributor every now and then. At last check the distributor was told March, but they advised against believing that.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by toasterdude on 2011-02-22 00:25:45

BrookieBob wrote:

I agree 1,000% that Line 6 could do a better job in communications.

I do have one question and opne answer though. . . . .lol. . .

If you are in senior management at a 52 billion company. . . . . .. you had to sell your XT Live and Vax 700 to pre order a JTV?

How can we justify a guy getting 2 JTVs just for the modeling parts? Since I am the guy you were referring to, it is simple. I pre ordered in June. Of the first 6 59s sweetwater had on BO I had 2. Line 6 is a US company and fulfilled US orders first. Not all that unusual. I wouldn't complain if Vox sent product to UK first but they may see US as a bigger market and not do that. Soon all new products will ship to China first any way. . . . .

I can see why you've asked - let me explain.

I sold my Vax 700 and XTLive very cheaply to a young P&W musician - there is no way he could have afforded those here in Australia (Vax 700's had an RRP for $2.5k to $3.5k AUD when they came out) - it was my way of supporting what he was doing in his ministry (he really wanted these and asked to buy them), and anyway, I had a JTV-59 on order and was told that it would ship at the latest on the 28th of January 2011...........

I didn't sell my gear because I lack the funds - but I do relate to those who do, because I can remember clearly at one time not owning much more than the clothes that I wore - and I feel obliged to speak on their behalf from time to time.

BTW - Line 6 is a global company (Rich has spoken elsewhere of wanting 'world domination') - they have distributors and retailers even here who promote their gear a lot - but are very frustrated with them at present. Vox used to be a UK company, but have been owned by a Japanese company for some time (Korg), and are curiously distributed here (very well, actually) by another Japanese company (Yamaha).

If you want to crack a global market, you fill your channels of (global) distribution ASAP - the ROI is immediate and substantial cash flow back to the parent company -  and if you're our friend Rich, you've made your name as a rising young star in Line 6. This is what Line 6 really wanted - till they had one set-back after another.

I seriously doubt the USA company supplying USA customers was anything more than convenience and cost - the USA would have the bulk of the backorders as at December 2010, so a logistics wizard at Line 6 said - "let's erase the closest backorders 1st".

I think your purchase of 2 JTV-59's was a smart move, and it sounds like you had a plan, stuck to it and it came off. I was in a Guitar Centre in California in October 2010 - they hadn't really heard much about them then, and didn't even have any to show me (as we know). If they had some, I might have bought a couple of them myself - sounds like a good idea.

You are correct about China - they are working hard to dominate the economic globe and are now busy lending money to the US.

I don't know why the JTV's destined for Asian markets (like Australia) can't be set up in Korea as well as manufactured there - then we wouldn't have the extended lead time and cost of making in Korea --> set up in the USA --> ship out to Australia at some nebulous point in the future.

I am glad you hooked up the P&W musician and I am sure he digs the rig. However that was your choice. You could have waited till you had a JTV to sell etc. In this tech world ship dates slip. I bought an HD 500 but didn't sell my 6 other PODs because there will be a learning curve even if the HD500 was perfect. Heck Neil seems to prefer the feel of the necks on his 700s and recently said he uses the 700s as his primary guitars and only uses the JTV on songs where the improved modeling is most noticed.

I understand that in a perfect world you would make a product available worldwide ASAP.  It doesn't appear that was an option. They had a limited supply of guitars to start. Maybe that was because Line 6 is aMarket stall rather than a 50 billion dollar company and they had to manage cash flow etc.

Heck even apple started the iphone off in US market before it was available world wide.

I don't know if Line 6 has a distributor in the US but it is fairly common to sell direct to retailers in the US but work with distributors internationally. That means an extra tier of distribution and the distributors also get a cut. It could very well be that the net on intl sales is less than on US sales. If you have the resources and product in stock you go world wide. . . .if not. . .I would pick selling to the bigger and more profitable markets first.

I am not defending Line 6. I also get frustrated by all the positive nellys that will defend them even when things were not handled well or when there are legitimate problems. I understand having issues with new products. I understand delays. Stuff happens. However bad news is better than no news to me at least. The problem for many people is the delays were explained by wanting to "get it right". . . . . then when the guitars are late but have design flaws or issues. . . . it is obvious they didn't get it as right as they would or we would have wanted.

The last 4 products I have purchased from Line 6 are 2 POD x3Pros, an HD500 and 2 JTV 59s.

BOTH X3 Pros have headphone jacks that do not work. One x3Pro has a dead 1/4 input number 2.

HD500 appears to have a faulty FX loop jack and issues with the volume pedal toe switch.

The first JTV 59 has the pickup selector switch issue.

Couple that with:

my variax 600 whic never worked right out of the box and now only works reliably with VDI other wise I get the cutting out issue.

Both my variax 500s have dead or dying piezos.

My variax 700 acoustic  now seems to have an issue where the d string sounds distorted. Now I have to figure out if it is a piezo or the modeling hardware.

Throw in the frustration with DSP limit on the HD500 and I appear in danger of losing fanboy status.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by G335gibson on 2011-02-22 02:44:37

Hi Rich

I heard from my distributor in Canada yesterday Feb 21,they tell me that there's

a "shortage in the bridge production process" and that is why your neighbors to the north in Canada

did not receive any JTV's.You have a seperate manufacturer for the bridge is this true?

The UK has a shipment already.

This is frustrating



Re: Expected Release Date???
by bigjase on 2011-02-22 03:50:46

Hi LachlanC,

I have been talking with my dealer and emailing the sole Line 6 distributor in Australia for info. My dealer is simply calling their rep and each time just push it back 4 weeks.

My emails to the distributor has never replied to my emails to date. I dont think they have a clue is my guess.

Rich from line 6 did say some of the first batch to the US were sent to Japan and Australia but I have found none for sale anywhere.

I am going to the US in May and I think I might just pick one up while I am there if they are available. I rather pay $1500US than $3k Australian.

Cheers,

Jason



Re: Expected Release Date???
by MerlinFL on 2011-02-22 11:27:15

toasterdude wrote:

BrookieBob wrote:

I agree 1,000% that Line 6 could do a better job in communications.

I do have one question and opne answer though. . . . .lol. . .

If you are in senior management at a 52 billion company. . . . . .. you had to sell your XT Live and Vax 700 to pre order a JTV?

How can we justify a guy getting 2 JTVs just for the modeling parts? Since I am the guy you were referring to, it is simple. I pre ordered in June. Of the first 6 59s sweetwater had on BO I had 2. Line 6 is a US company and fulfilled US orders first. Not all that unusual. I wouldn't complain if Vox sent product to UK first but they may see US as a bigger market and not do that. Soon all new products will ship to China first any way. . . . .

I can see why you've asked - let me explain.

I sold my Vax 700 and XTLive very cheaply to a young P&W musician - there is no way he could have afforded those here in Australia (Vax 700's had an RRP for $2.5k to $3.5k AUD when they came out) - it was my way of supporting what he was doing in his ministry (he really wanted these and asked to buy them), and anyway, I had a JTV-59 on order and was told that it would ship at the latest on the 28th of January 2011...........

I didn't sell my gear because I lack the funds - but I do relate to those who do, because I can remember clearly at one time not owning much more than the clothes that I wore - and I feel obliged to speak on their behalf from time to time.

BTW - Line 6 is a global company (Rich has spoken elsewhere of wanting 'world domination') - they have distributors and retailers even here who promote their gear a lot - but are very frustrated with them at present. Vox used to be a UK company, but have been owned by a Japanese company for some time (Korg), and are curiously distributed here (very well, actually) by another Japanese company (Yamaha).

If you want to crack a global market, you fill your channels of (global) distribution ASAP - the ROI is immediate and substantial cash flow back to the parent company -  and if you're our friend Rich, you've made your name as a rising young star in Line 6. This is what Line 6 really wanted - till they had one set-back after another.

I seriously doubt the USA company supplying USA customers was anything more than convenience and cost - the USA would have the bulk of the backorders as at December 2010, so a logistics wizard at Line 6 said - "let's erase the closest backorders 1st".

I think your purchase of 2 JTV-59's was a smart move, and it sounds like you had a plan, stuck to it and it came off. I was in a Guitar Centre in California in October 2010 - they hadn't really heard much about them then, and didn't even have any to show me (as we know). If they had some, I might have bought a couple of them myself - sounds like a good idea.

You are correct about China - they are working hard to dominate the economic globe and are now busy lending money to the US.

I don't know why the JTV's destined for Asian markets (like Australia) can't be set up in Korea as well as manufactured there - then we wouldn't have the extended lead time and cost of making in Korea --> set up in the USA --> ship out to Australia at some nebulous point in the future.

I am glad you hooked up the P&W musician and I am sure he digs the rig. However that was your choice. You could have waited till you had a JTV to sell etc. In this tech world ship dates slip. I bought an HD 500 but didn't sell my 6 other PODs because there will be a learning curve even if the HD500 was perfect. Heck Neil seems to prefer the feel of the necks on his 700s and recently said he uses the 700s as his primary guitars and only uses the JTV on songs where the improved modeling is most noticed.

I understand that in a perfect world you would make a product available worldwide ASAP.  It doesn't appear that was an option. They had a limited supply of guitars to start. Maybe that was because Line 6 is aMarket stall rather than a 50 billion dollar company and they had to manage cash flow etc.

Heck even apple started the iphone off in US market before it was available world wide.

I don't know if Line 6 has a distributor in the US but it is fairly common to sell direct to retailers in the US but work with distributors internationally. That means an extra tier of distribution and the distributors also get a cut. It could very well be that the net on intl sales is less than on US sales. If you have the resources and product in stock you go world wide. . . .if not. . .I would pick selling to the bigger and more profitable markets first.

I am not defending Line 6. I also get frustrated by all the positive nellys that will defend them even when things were not handled well or when there are legitimate problems. I understand having issues with new products. I understand delays. Stuff happens. However bad news is better than no news to me at least. The problem for many people is the delays were explained by wanting to "get it right". . . . . then when the guitars are late but have design flaws or issues. . . . it is obvious they didn't get it as right as they would or we would have wanted.

The last 4 products I have purchased from Line 6 are 2 POD x3Pros, an HD500 and 2 JTV 59s.

BOTH X3 Pros have headphone jacks that do not work. One x3Pro has a dead 1/4 input number 2.

HD500 appears to have a faulty FX loop jack and issues with the volume pedal toe switch.

The first JTV 59 has the pickup selector switch issue.

Couple that with:

my variax 600 whic never worked right out of the box and now only works reliably with VDI other wise I get the cutting out issue.

Both my variax 500s have dead or dying piezos.

My variax 700 acoustic  now seems to have an issue where the d string sounds distorted. Now I have to figure out if it is a piezo or the modeling hardware.

Throw in the frustration with DSP limit on the HD500 and I appear in danger of losing fanboy status.

I'm sorry to read that you have had nothing but problems with seemingly every piece of line 6 gear you've bought.

I must be the luckiest person on the planet when it comes to Line 6 gear.  I've had my 700s since 2006, my Vetta since 2003, and I did get the HD500 and two DT50 1x12 after trying and disliking the DT50 2x12.  BUT NONE of these pieces of gear had the problems you've mentioned.  I had ONE problem back in 2006 with my 700 and it was resolved in STELLAR fashion by Rick Miller.  Everything else I've either Beta tested or bought has arrived fine and in perfect working condition.

That is my real life situation with Line 6 products.

Now I've already written out my THEORY about why the releasing on the JTV guitars is in the state it's in.  Please check it out on my forum if anyone is interested.

Take care,

Neal

PS - here's where I'm at now.  A photo of my first time using the new gear with my Vetta and the JTV along with the Vax 700s.   They sound great together, but I'm still not at a point where I'll put away my Vetta or 700s and go 100% HD500, DT50, & JTV.

Neal_Line6_Live_021811.jpg



Re: Expected Release Date???
by Belew01 on 2011-02-22 17:34:28

It's kind of amusing that the next day after this message I got the call that mine was shipping.  It will be Thursday.  I was getting ready to cancel.  Oh well, here it comes.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by Johan_de_Greyze on 2011-02-23 00:55:17

Last night I sent an e-mail to my sales rep (here in Holland) and wrote him that a crew of Line 6 is preparing JTVs for further shipment from UK into Europe. The answer already came in this morning: they didn't get information on that action but definitely will get a number of guitars on short notice. If mine (69 Candy Apple Red) is in this shipment ????

Hope to hear soon from them.

br

Jan



Re: Expected Release Date???
by Sampo72 on 2011-02-23 01:55:10

Thanks for update! Let us know if there is any progress.

I fear that guitars currently in UK will stay in UK.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by edstar1960 on 2011-02-23 03:01:31

My UK supplier doesn't think they will receive all of their pre-orders from this initial batch - so perhaps Line6 are sharing the limited quantity of guitars around and giving all European suppliers at least some of their pre-orders - we should all know soon enough as many suppliers are talking about end of Feb or early March for delivery of their first pre-orders.  At least some UK and European customers will soon have their long awaited JTVs in their hands, but just as happened in the USA, I think some of us will be disappointed and will have to wait for a later shipment as I suspect there are insufficient guitars to fulfill all pre-orders from UK/Europe.   We will see......next week will be interesting.....I will be watching the forum threads for news....



Re: Nooooo.... another GC delay
by laelamiles on 2011-02-23 18:07:17

GC was set to get a batch of JTV 59s by February 28th.  Now they are saying 2-4 weeks for my model. 



Re: Expected Release Date???
by stumpsout on 2011-02-23 18:23:12

G335gibson wrote:

Hi Rich

I heard from my distributor in Canada yesterday Feb 21,they tell me that there's

a "shortage in the bridge production process" and that is why your neighbors to the north in Canada

did not receive any JTV's.You have a seperate manufacturer for the bridge is this true?

The UK has a shipment already.

This is frustrating

Thanks for relaying this info.

What a gong show.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by BrookieBob on 2011-02-23 19:11:09

Re; Brookie, just out of interest what is your current ETA given to your by your dealer for the JTV? I've got a 69 on order at my local billy hyde and I get them to phone the distributor every now and then. At last check the distributor was told March, but they advised against believing that.

Both my local music store and the Australian distributor told me 'after Europe' -they really had no firm dates on these at all.

Europe told me July / August - or maybe before if you're lucky.

I'm hoping for before May at least.......



Re: Expected Release Date???
by MartinHines on 2011-02-24 04:09:41

Just FYI.  Line 6's Rich Renken just posted in another thread that he is back in the U.S. from the U.K., so you can probably expect the first European batch to ship soon (if they haven't started already).



Re: Expected Release Date???
by sparkyERTW on 2011-02-24 05:46:07

Cool.  Maybe we can get some news on the next batch and where they're headed (at least some to Canada this time, I hope?).



Re: Expected Release Date???
by ianosborne on 2011-02-24 07:26:38

Made my pre-order today of a Cherry Sunburst JT-59 from Sound Effects

Apparently I'm the first pre order for this particulr model and most have gone for the Pacifica Blue JT-69 (possible due to the cover on the glowing Guitarist magazine review?

Stocks for first pre-orders due (he hoped!!) in coming weeks but as number likely to be very limited - for mine he thought 'probably 2-3 months". But then I'm hoping maybe sooner as no other pre orders for the Cherry '59.........

Have to say I was really impressed with Tim who I spoke to, and if you are planning to order and havent decided who from yet - give them a ring (I have nothng to do with them!)

and now I can't wait ...... anyone interested in my V300 transplant?????

web-varicaster-5.jpg



Re: Expected Release Date???
by SolihullShredder on 2011-03-02 15:43:10

I went to the Birmingham [UK] guitar show on 26.2.11 and the Line6 demonstrator had 1 black Korean JTV 69. I made a beeline for it but a guy grabbed in front of me and sat down to play. He was instantly descended upon by Line6 guys who wrenched it from him and stowed it at the back of the booth!  They said they were demoing later on the soundstage and it wasn’t available to trial, and so I grabbed a coffee and took a seat at the soundstage to wait it out.

The ‘soundstage’ was awful; loud, trashy riffing from the rest of the exhibition and an acoustic duo next door who seeming to be using the word’s loudest PA. I felt sorry for the demonstrator who had real difficulty in making himself heard on the mic over Bose L1 PA, but I think he said he was introducing the Pod HD 500, the DT50 and the Tyler Variax. I only think this as he pointed to them in turn.

He then had a ‘mare as he plugged in the JTV VDI interface which was in the vernacular ‘ proper f****d’ and clearly was not connecting to the HD500 at all. After much muttering and red faces all round he apologised and ran off to find a replacement lead. At this point I’m thinking ‘OK, as a leading Guitar/Amp company, you turn up to a major guitar show with 1 guitar and 1 lead and then it doesn’t even work with the Line6 gear provided. This is not good – I am so glad I have cancelled my JTV order”

He raced back with new VDI lead; same result – no sound. So on we go with a standard ¼ jack connector. Now of course, all his carefully stored patches and auto guitar switching/routing have turned to vapour, and this poor guy is on his knees with his arse hanging out of his pants.

Then he started to play [nervously at first, having just endured 10 minutes of professional hell] and……..WOW the HD 500 was simply stunning. The DT 50 was equally gorgeous and cut easily through the row and musical maelstrom going on all around us. Then he demoed the JTV and played a variety of genres with skill and a nice touch. The guitar looked and sounded great. “10 times the data” he kept saying – well if so it is palpable to this guitarist’s ear.

After the demo I headed back to the Line6 booth and congratulated him on a good job under difficult circumstances. The JTV 69 was nowhere to be seen. After some coaxing I persuaded the guys to go fetch it from the lock up, and they placed it with reverence in my hands. I had 30 minutes riffing and noodling with it on an HD 500 and the guitar is absolutely to die for. The weight and build are flawless, the neck is a dream to play although a wider fretboard than I am used to. The mags sound great and the modelling guitars are a significant step up – in short, close to perfection IMHO. The model I played had locking tuners which I presume had been added as I understand they are not standard on the Korean version. Reluctantly I gave it back and moseyed off very impressed and happy.

At a gig that night I played my old 500 [I sold my 600 last October to finance the JTV] and it felt like a dog. I have played Line6 amps, pedals and guitars semi-professionally for the past 10 years every Saturday night. My Vax 500 was one of the first 10 or so in the UK and it never fails to draw admiring comments from punters because of the flexibility of sound. From a covers band perspective it is the perfect weapon.

I have followed this thread with a mixture of interest and disappointment, and have been a critic of the way Line6 have handled the JTV release. However, if the Korean production guitars are anything like the one I played then, oh boy are we in for some kind of treat.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by variaxlover on 2011-03-02 15:53:10

One correction:  The Korean JTV 69s DO come with locking tuners, standard.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by stumpsout on 2011-03-02 15:54:00

Every time I hear something about a JTV-69 B I wonder if it was the one that WAS ON IT'S WAY TO ME

FML



Re: Expected Release Date???
by zeddd on 2011-03-02 22:51:00

alanroll wrote:

The weight and build are flawless, the neck is a dream to play although a wider fretboard than I am used to. The mags sound great and the modelling guitars are a significant step up – in short, close to perfection IMHO.

Really glad to read your positive report. I am so excited... although I am not letting myself get too excited because none of us knows how long the wait will be.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by ianosborne on 2011-03-03 16:41:25

Received this email from Dealer in UK today:

Hi Everyone

Well the first batch of guitars arrived in the UK. From what I can tell there were about 28-30. They brought over the guitar techs from the States to check them over. Four failed so around 24-26 went out to dealers of which we got one. There are around 30 dealers in the UK, so although 1 seems very low its probably fair. Overall though 30 is a very low number and only scratches the surface or overall back orders. As far as I can tell there are three order statuses:

1) Pre-ordered allocated to a specific person (ie your orders)

2) Shop pre orders for stock

3) New orders being taken now

Line 6 are quoting July for the last category. I think the largest category is number "2". Although Line 6 can not tell me when all our allocated backorders will be fullfilled, my best guess is within the next two months. The next shipment arrives at the end of March, and will be checked over again before going out.

I realise this is very frustrating, both in terms of delay and also information, but I will try and keep you informed as I can. Lastly it is worth stressing that the one upside is that your original price will still be honoured.

Sadly I made my order only last week!! but hoping I might come under "2" and not "3"................

Hope the info in email is of use / interest guys

Ian

PS does one in seven being rejected sound high to you guys?



Re: Expected Release Date???
by RichRenken on 2011-03-03 17:32:02

Hey guys, I am moving this thread to our support threads so you can follow along with me there.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by RichRenken on 2011-03-03 17:37:54

Who was the demonstrator?



Re: Expected Release Date???
by sparkyERTW on 2011-03-03 20:42:42

Hey Rich, since you seemed to indicate you might be providing some new shipment/delivery details, just a friendly reminder that Canadian info would be a welcome inclusion.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by zeddd on 2011-03-04 01:55:13

I'm also eager for information about the Canadian shipment.

I have more than an album's worth of recordings which are waiting for their definitive guitar tracks. Even though I own some nice guitars, I really can't wait to have the JTV so that I can make sure I am using the guitar sound that is most suiting for each song.

Come to Canada, baby!



Re: Expected Release Date???
by rico on 2011-03-04 02:23:35

Still waiting for my almost 5 month ago pre-ordered (and paid) JTV here in Europe.

Are there already JTV owners in Netherlands, Belgium, Germany at his moment?

  Rico



Re: Expected Release Date???
by edstar1960 on 2011-03-04 03:31:11

Hi Rico, RogerZ in the Netherlands received his JTV69 in lake palcid blue last weekend - see details in this thread: http://line6.com/community/thread/57602?tstart=0

Nobody else on this forum has reported that they received a delivery but several have been told by their dealers that guitars have arrived and gone straight to customers across UK and Europe.  Those lucky few just are not on these forums so we aren't getting to hear about them.   Hopefully more will be arriving at end of March and some more forum users will receive theirs and we will get some more updates.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by rico on 2011-03-04 04:02:03

Well this is what Rich wrote on March3:

We only got a couple hundreds in the UK when I was there, some went out to the whole of the EU and UK. I am going to have more info on more guitars coming next week. I am going to give you as much real info as I can. Keep and eye out here.

Rich was in the UK from 12-22 Febr (if I understand his messages right), so from all these hundreds of JTV's, there's just one that went to a guys on the forum?

I am 2nd on the list at Music Store Germany for a JTV69 3TB (as of Oct. 2010).

I sold my 2 Variaxes to finance this one. Got a lot of 'keep the faith' messages over the last 5 months but still no JTV.

This time I thought I was very close to receive one of these couple of hundreds!

I really don't understand the distribution strategy anymore ...



Re: Expected Release Date???
by Sampo72 on 2011-03-04 04:26:50

Heh, I guess you noticed this too (from previous page):

Hi Everyone

Well the first batch of guitars arrived in the UK. From what I can tell there were about 28-30. They brought over the guitar techs from the States to check them over. Four failed so around 24-26 went out to dealers of which we got one.

If that info is correct failure rate in that sample was way over 10% (almost 15% if there was only 28 guitars). Not good.

But then again, Thomann has/had at least two '89 in stock and Digital Village/dv247 has at least two them, so at least four unsold guitars would indicate either there were more that 28-30 guitars OR Line6 is concentrating on (and delivering) guitars that have considerably lower demand than other models.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by rico on 2011-03-04 04:39:05

Rich was actually there to oversee this first batch and wrote: a couple of hunderds, so who do you believe?



Re: Expected Release Date???
by Sampo72 on 2011-03-04 05:05:55

I am not accusing Rich of lying.

But, if person A says couple hundred (which can be anywhere between 150 - 300, no?) and person B says 28-30, which seem to be pretty definite number indicating there were less than 30 guitars, I would think there might be some explanation why those numbers are so much apart, no? And I'd like to know reason for that.

My guess is that big proportion of guitars have gone to dealers' employees and their VIP customers. And that's OK. If I worked in guitar store and could have had one on dealer price before the increase, that would have been a no brainer. And it would still be. And I know enough people in that profession that they do that a lot.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by edstar1960 on 2011-03-04 05:06:20

Hi Rico,

I understand your frustration - I was hoping that I would receive my JTV-59CSB out of this first shipment to Europe as I am first on my dealers list for that guitar - but I was not lucky.  My dealer said they received 4 in total - one of which (JTV89) is showing as in stock - the other 3 went straight to customers and they have 30+ customers waiting on orders. My dealer doesn't know how many guitars they will receive in the next shipment or which models so he cannot tell me if I will receive mine then - he thinks it will take months to clear his back orders - so I just have to keep on waiting.

Rich mentioned they set up a couple of hundred guitars while in the UK - so I assume that was for the whole of Europe and that only 26 of them went to UK dealers. So about 170 or so made it to European dealers I guess. Rich also said there were thousands of pre-orders (and if they all have back order numbers similar to my dealer that number is credible)- so a couple of hunrded will only make a small dent in that.  And as we already know, only a small subset of Line6 users or Variax owners actually belong to this forum and out of those only a few actually post information.  So given that only a couple of hundred have arrived in Europe and some of those are JTV89s that have not been sold - so there are even fewer that actually made it to customers, then it is not too much of a surprise that only one forum member has actually received one.

I was just as confused about the distribution strategy - but when you take everything into consideration (pre-orders, actual supplies, quality issues, overall Variax owners, forum Variax owners, small percentage of those that will actually post here, etc) .... then it becomes more understandable ..... still very frustrating though....but it helps having an appreciation of the bigger picture.......still would have loved to have had mine by now though!

Of course this is all speculation - and its just my opinion and my interpretation of the information provided.

My JTV will get here when it gets here.....and I can do nothing to influence that.........so I have no choice but to be patient.

Rich has re-assured us of Line6's commitment to quality - so although there are some issues - we know they are being jumped on and dealt with - so if there is any problem with mine I know it will get resolved, but I reckon there is more chance that I will get one that is problem free!   Either way - I will deal with that when my JTV finally arrives, some time over the next few months......



Re: Expected Release Date???
by U2acrobatNL on 2011-03-04 05:09:28

The dealer email talks of 28-30 for the UK. Rich was probably talking about the whole of Europe when he said "hundreds". If we assume Germany and France got the same amount as the UK, we are into 100 already. Add to that all the other countries and yes, we could talk about hundreds.

Not sure if that explains the difference but it could be an explanation.

Meanwhile I have lost all confidence in Line 6 (not just this inexplicable JTV situation, but also the clearly unfinished HD500) and have already sold my HD500 and cancelled my JTV order.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by ianosborne on 2011-03-04 05:32:29

@U2Acrobat: - I read it the same way the 100's Rich refered to were for Europe wide and the less than 30 for UK only.

Have to say it seems a very strange andfrustrating way to launch a new product but I guess the pressure from early orderers made some people feel 'something was better than nothing'. From chat with dealer this morning - expecting mine in May......

Final comment on limited supplies..... I know US president Ronald Reagan introduced us to 'trickle down economics', Line6 seem to have introduced 'trickle out product launches'



Re: Expected Release Date???
by edstar1960 on 2011-03-04 08:17:19

Hi U2acrobatNL - you stated "clearly unfinished HD500" and that you have already sold it - what was "unfinished" about it? What problems did you have? I have seen some people post that they could not be bothered to sit down and tweak it to get goo sounds so returned it but I have seen many more giving it glowing references and saying how much better it is then anything that went before - so I would be interested in hearing your opinion and reasons why you gave up on it.

Thanks in advance.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by edstar1960 on 2011-03-04 08:35:08

Hi ianosborne - interesting that you say you are expecting yours in May after talking to your dealer - has he been given a definite date for delivery of your JTV or is it just his best guess at when it should arrive?  My dealer has been given dates for delivery but no details of what will actually be in the delivery - so he can't tell me when my guitar will be arriving, so I would be interested in hearing whether you dealer knows for sure about your guitar delivery date or if it is just a best guess.

Based on what my dealer has told me - I estimate that to fulfill just the pre-orders probably requires a ten-fold increase in production for the next shipment so my guess would be that things will continue as they are or that there may be a significant increase in production over time but it can't possibly ramp up to 10 times as much (what would they do with all the extra staff needed once the initial rush is over?) - so I think it will still take many months just to complete the pre-orders.

I do sincerely hope that you are lucky and that you do get your JTV in May and don't have to wait any longer.  I am hoping that mine will be in the shipment at end of March as I am first on the list at my dealer for the JTV59-CSB - but I certainly won't bet on it - it will be a nice surprise if it happens, but I realise that I may have to wait even longer so I am prepared for that eventuality.

Bottom line is we can't do anything but wait - our guitars will turn up at some point this year - hopefully sooner rather than later!



Re: Expected Release Date???
by jyflorida on 2011-03-04 08:51:15

If anyone is interested, Musician's Friend has a used JTV-59 for sale for $1199.99 USD.

http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Line-6-JTV59?sku=H05504#used



Re: Expected Release Date???
by BBarker on 2011-03-04 09:16:28

Just talked to my rep at Sweetwater about my JTV-59 TB and he said that the last thing they had heard still mid March.  I ask him about where I stood in the backorders.  He told me that they had 24 backorders for the JTV-59 TB and I was around 12 (I ordered mine early December).  He also said that a few guitars have come in this week, they seem to be trickling in a few at a time.

Bill



Re: Expected Release Date???
by ianosborne on 2011-03-04 09:19:36

Yes the May date is 'best guess' from dealer - like you its the cherry sunburst '59 and Im the first to ask for that model from them... so first in that queue!

It would be interesting to hear what the %'s are for the pre-orders models.......... according to the dealer he thought the Lake Placid Blue '69 was most popular - prob because featured in the Guitarist magazine front page I guess

ANyway in th emean time I shall look lovingly at pictures of the CSB '59 online while my wife thinks I'm looking at naked women..........



Re: Expected Release Date???
by sparkyERTW on 2011-03-04 10:08:35

jyflorida wrote:

If anyone is interested, Musician's Friend has a used JTV-59 for sale for $1199.99 USD.

http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Line-6-JTV59?sku=H05504#used

Gah... so tempting!

Unfortunately, given the track record of the JTV-59s and the fact I'd get no warranty - both because of it being shipped to Canada and it being a second-hand retail purchase - I guess I'll have to pass.  Pretty sweet, though.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by SolihullShredder on 2011-03-04 10:10:59

Rich: Who was the demonstrator?

He was a Geordie guy (from Newcastle) I think called Steve (???) Not certain I caught his name right. He did a great job considering he was almost banjaxed by the faulty lead, and I have to say I was blown away by the 69 and the DT50 - a real musician's set of kit. When I am questioned by 'guitar heads' after a gig they are suprised at the Variax which they consider a toy or novelty. They often think that I have either midi-ed or recorded the guitar parts. I took my gear to Daventry a couple of years back to sort some issues and I also have nothing but praise for the technical team there.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by U2acrobatNL on 2011-03-04 11:47:45

@edstar1960

Well there are some obvious glitches, both hard- and firmware, like the joke that is midi implementation and the bolt that snaps when you adjust pedal tension. More importantly : there are bugs in the software that can not be reproduced but are certainly there. When I posted it here and on another forum I had a few people reporting the same problem : once every now and then, there is no sound when you select a patch. Completely random it appears, and the only way to regain sound is to go to another bank and come back to the one that was silent. Now, that is awkward but not crucial when you play at home or when you are recording or something. In a live situation though, this is fatal. I've had it happen at least 3 times, once in rehearsal and twice pre-gig when I was sound-checking.

My idea was to get a HD500 and a JTV to cover all the needs I could possibly think of, but I have simply no confidence in the HD500 at this point. This means the JTV becomes less attractive because I cannot connect it with the VDI cable. With all the delays and reported issues with the JTV's, I have decided to bail out on Line 6 altogether, and go back to old-skool Strat or LP, some stompboxes, and a tube amp.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by edstar1960 on 2011-03-04 13:10:04

Sorry to hear that U2acrobatNL - that does sound bad and absolutely is not workable for a "live" gig - you need 100% reliability.  I have had a few odd glitches with my X3L - it did actually completely cut out during a live gig and I sent it back and it had its motherboard replaced - but even now it does some odd stuff but I can't recreate it - so far though it has behaved at the live gigs and during rehearsals but I have to admit I am always nervous about it and always take my old BOSS GT5 as a backup,,,,, just in case.... so I will definitely wait a good 6 months or so before trying an HD500.

Also sorry that you had to give up on the JTV69 - especially if you had it at the pre-increase price ......it seems like it will be an awesome guitar ......its just that production just cannot cope with the initial demand so we all have a very long wait......  I am hopeful that my JTV will be great when it arrives but if it is not then I can always send it back at that point, so I haven't lost anything.  I am also hanging on to my Variax700 - it will always be a worthwhile backup and if I don't like the JTV then I still have my old V700...  so I am in it for the long haul..........just hope that it won't be much longer!     



Re: Expected Release Date???
by edstar1960 on 2011-03-04 13:17:40

LOL  .........      .... thanks Ian ........... so maybe I ought to set my expectations to May as well !!!   Guess we also have to factor in everyone else who is waiting across the world now .... there are still loads waiting in the USA, the guys in Canada haven't had a shipment yet, neither have the guys in Oz ..... so it's gonna be a long wait ...!!

So we better sit back and relax ... 



Re: Expected Release Date???
by Nige_ on 2011-03-05 04:04:05

Hi.

I've just had a chat with a guy at GuitarGuitar (UK) (Sat, March 5, 11:45am) where I've had an order for many months. He says they've had about 12 instruments through so far, mostly 59's & 69's and one 89 (I'm waiting on an 89). His perspective is that it is proportionally mostly fixed-bridge guitars coming through at this stage.

Like everyone else, I patiently wait for the dispatch e-mail and the knock at the door. Since I already have 3 Variax's (including the 5 string bass ;o) I can wait - but my fingers are itching to shred a Variax - which isn't much fun on a 600 LOL. It seems that Line6 have been forced to thinly sprinkle the instruments out like fairy dust in order to keep the retailers happy and this is a recipe for disinformation and disappointment.

My congratulations to any happy recipients that have already got theirs. Like others have said, please Rich, keep the information channels open - this offers far more reassurance to those of us waiting. The truth may be a little unpalatable but is far more preferable than a ponderous silence.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by SolihullShredder on 2011-03-05 07:14:37

Re: Expected Release Date???

Who was the demonstrator?

I beg your pardon his name was Paul - I just found the NAMM HD 500 video.



Re: Expected Release Date???
by EnglishJW on 2011-03-07 05:17:05
Musician's Friend had been listing the shipping dates for the JTV-59s (CSB or TSB) as March 7th for a long time.  Maybe a week or so ago they pushed that date back to March 14th.  This morning it has moved again.  This time it is March 24th.  My pre-order was in December and I have yet to receive any delivery estimates or notifications from them.  Any one have any more information about MF and deliveries?

Re: Expected Release Date???
by kaz911 on 2011-03-07 05:28:41

I spoke to them about my '59 TSB l