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Pod HD500 vs Boss GT-10
by deanesque on 2010-11-05 21:43:20

Anyone with experience with both care to give opinions?  I have he GT-10 but am thinking about the HD500.



Re: Pod HD500 vs Boss GT-10
by Karl_Houseknecht on 2010-11-05 21:58:58

I have both, and use both.  They are different animals.  As far as amp models go, the 500 has the GT-10 beat handily.  Clean, mid gain, high gain amps on the 500 are all clear winners in my ears.  The GT amp models in many cases are laughable, particularly the AC30.  And a lot of the delay and mod effects in the 500 are also better.  Tri-chorus isn't even aviailable on the GT.  I will say that I like the harmonizer on the GT better than the HD, though.  Overdrive stomps go to the GT-10.  There's just more variety, and I frankly think they sound better.

As far as using with a real amp, I've been using the GT with all my tube amps for a while.  I have it dialed in where I want it and I'm reluctant to change it out.  The GT definitely offers more simultaneous effects, and has some dedicated "utility" effects that don't really take up "blocks":  i.e. - two noise reductions, a dedicated PEQ, overall patch EQ, global EQ, etc.   But the HD is mighty formidable as an effects unit too.

I don't know, it's a hard choice from the perspective of using it as an effects processor with real amps.  If I were you right at this moment and I really wanted good amp models to record with, I'd go HD500 first.  Then, if and when Boss probably releases a next gen GT-12 or whatever in January (as is speculated), and if you want a unit to use with real amps, grab that one too if you can afford both.  Boss makes nice effects too.

Edit:  Sorry, I didn't see where you said you already had the GT-10.  Anyway, you know what that unit can do.



Re: Pod HD500 vs Boss GT-10
by whiteop on 2010-11-05 23:57:16

I have both the HD500 and the GT-10 (and an RP1000). Each unit has it's pluses and minuses and I have used them all through P.A. systems. So far the HD500 sounds and records better than the GT-10 and RP-1000 as far as sounding like a real amp. I'd say the HD500 is better on the amp sims BUT the GT-10 has better effects in general, in particular the delays. The GT-10 is more tweakable as far as being able to control parameters of the effects though you can do some of the same with the HD500 if you set it up right, however, it is limited in this respect. The GT-10 has up to 8 assigns per patch that you can use to do things like turn up the gain on an amp sim or distortion model or change the tempo of the bpm, etc... things like that.

I think you'd be happy with either unit but if you play music with more gain on tap I'd go with the HD500. If you're a blues or R & B type player, I might be inclined to go with the GT-10. Both are excellent mfx units.



Re: Pod HD500 vs Boss GT-10
by Nick_Mattocks on 2010-11-06 04:28:54

Hi

I have both the GT-10 and the HD500 as well as an X3 Live, XT Live and POD 2.0.

The GT-10 is a good unit there's no doubt.  It is not overly intuitive in terms of patch creation and there is no official Boss computer based editor (there is a pretty good third party editor, but it lacks some finesse still and is nowhere near the level of the HD500 Edit program in terms of usability IMO - but credit to the author nevertheless,  however Roland/BOSS should really have been all over this and done it themselves IMO)

There has only been one firmware update for the GT-10 in all the time I've owned mine (I got it very shortly after release), which says it's either perfect and there's little more that can be done in the way of improving how it sounds or its usability - which may be true, or that BOSS decided up-front where the unit could go in terms of development and simply abandoned all thought of further development during the product's life cycle.  I'm not saying either is the wrong approach, but I do prefer Line 6's approach to continued product development even after a product has been launched, in their continued efforts to squeeze as much out of a unit like the X3 Live for instance as possible with some serious updates and feature additions.  I believe that Line 6 will follow this same sort of pattern with all the HD units as they have done with the X3L, M9/M13, Spider Valve MkII, Spider IV etc... as that seems to be the sort of company and personalities that they are.

Some like COSM, and some don't and some like me don't have a problem with it.  There's the 'cocked wah' thing too but that's never arisen for me with my GT-10.

The LED brightness is a real issue for me with the GT-10 and I'd prefer to avoid anything like that in any future model in the GT-xx range as it hurts my eyes .  I do like the size and brightness of the GT-10's LCD though, however the HD500's LCD is easily a match for it

In terms of intuitiveness in use and quality of tone and FX, for me the HD500 is by far the better unit, but there is nearly three years difference in the state of the technology between the two, so we don't yet know what BOSS's next move will be, and there are certainly rumours of a GT-12 being announced shortly.

If I didn't already own both units and I had a finite pot of money (rather than no money LOL) to spend, after a fair audition of the two for a week or two, I would opt for the HD500 based on what I know about the two units, how they sound/feel and how easy it is to set up usable patches without having to navigate endless menus.  the GT-10 is a great unit, there's no doubt, but for me the HD500 on balance easily outweighs the GT-10 - but we are comparing apples to oranges to some extent due to the age and technological differences.

I'd certainly recommend that you audition an HD500 at your earliest convenience though.

Nick



Re: Pod HD500 vs Boss GT-10
by phil_m on 2010-11-06 06:31:45

I can't comment on the GT-10 - I've never owned one.  But I will say this - with the HD500, I think the POD is finally a viable option for an effects-only unit for use with a real amp.  That was something people always gave an edge to Boss for, but I think Line 6 has finally gotten it right with the HD500.  You basically have all the M13 effects, which are very good in their own right, and you have the HD amp modeling.  It's a pretty good combo, imo.



Re: Pod HD500 vs Boss GT-10
by dhstone on 2010-11-06 07:50:25

You may already be aware of Glen DeLaunne since you're a GT-10 owner, but if not, you really should check him out - even ask him his opinions. He's a member on this forum - gangsterusa is his handle.  Here is a link to a video he created on the HD500. http://line6.com/community/thread/46904?start=0&tstart=0  And here is a link to his website for patch downloads and videos. I'm guessing he'll be updating w/ a section for the HD line at some point.  http://www.glenndelaune.com/Patch_download_page/Patch%20Download%20Area.htm

My opinion on this topic is based on owning the GT-10 for a brief time - long enough to know that I was not happy with the amp models, and I was not willing to endure the endless tweaking needed to get it to sound good with my real amps. I found it to be very sterile and brittle. I, like many was hearing the nasally cocked wah tone. I was coming off the X3L when I tried the GT-10, so that was my point of reference. Since then, I landed on the Digitech RP1000, and I found that to be a good option for me. I was able to get really good results with very little tweaking.

Now that I've gotten the HD500, I must say it is definitely superior in most respects (by my criteria). There is no comparison between the models in the HD to the GT. The HD models are much more detailed, articulate and lifelike compared to the Boss. Karl mentioned the AC30 model being particularly bad in the GT-10, and he's right. I own the real deal, so I'm particularly fond of that amp. The HD model of the AC30 is very impressive. It is the only AC30 model I've heard that really nails that tone.

I don't remember the GT-10 effects well enough to compare specifics, but I think in general, the two units are on par with each other for effects quality. I will say that the weakest effects in the HD are the distortions. That just seems to be the most difficult tone shaping tool to get right in the digital world. The HD is the best L6 has done (M-series), but it still isn't quite like the real deal. Well, for that matter, any of this digital stuff isn't *quite* like the real deal, but I have to say, the HD is much, much closer than anything I've heard in person.

As for ease of use, hands-down winner is the HD - both direct editing on the board and on the computer. If this is something you're after, as was I, then it is no contest.

All I can say is you have to try the HD for yourself. Let us know what you think once you've given it a whirl!



Re: Pod HD500 vs Boss GT-10
by deanesque on 2010-11-06 16:16:29

Thanks to all for the great and detailed responses!  I use the G-10 through a PA for live performance.  (I sold all my tube amps!)   I agree with all that the Line 6 models are almost always better than Boss and from the online demos I see that the HD steps it up a notch.  (I also have a Pod XT Live and POD Farm 2 Platinum).  When I bought the GT-10 I almost got an X3 Live but it just didn't seem road worthy.  What I like about the Boss is that I can dive in and get just about anything I want but it's not nearly as plug and play as the Pod stuff.  Also the GT-10 has such great live performance features.  My favorite is the exernal switch jacks.  I have a double switch attached right near my left foot so I can switch into solos without looking down.  This is really inportant because I do all the vocals and I have to get off the mic to switch from the main board.  I was wondering if everyone would say the GT-10 is a toy compared to the HD500 but that's not what I'm hearing.  I was thinking or selling the GT to get the HD500 but I'm thinking that I'll keep it and sell the XT Live to get an HD300.  Thanks again for all the feedback!



Re: Pod HD500 vs Boss GT-10
by songwaters on 2010-11-22 11:17:57

but you can control the gain witht the exp pedal on the hd 500 which makes it simply shoot up in the tweakability arena! in the GT10 when you control the gain with the exp pedal, when the pedal is forward the gain bumps up directly to the higher value and when the exp pedal is pulled back the gain SWITCHES back to 10%. so much for controlling gain with exp pedal. i was ROTFL when i discovered it in my friends gt10 and decided ill not buy it... imagine subtle smooth increases in the distortion on your lead in the more agressive parts! heaven!



Re: Pod HD500 vs Boss GT-10
by deanesque on 2010-11-22 11:34:26

That sounds like user error.  You can program exactly how much gain including minimum and maximum values.  The GT-10 can indeed add very sublte to broad gain and anything in between.  It is highly programmable.



Re: Pod HD500 vs Boss GT-10
by songwaters on 2010-11-22 11:45:04

yea but you can have only 2 values to switch between, not a smooth sweep... hope im wrong, my friend with the gt10 will be pretty happy if this ability to sweep the gain levels or reverb levels etc with the exp pedal is there.



Re: Pod HD500 vs Boss GT-10
by deanesque on 2010-11-22 15:45:16

You are mistaken.  You can sweep the entire range of whatever effect you are controlling with the expression pedal.  This goes back at least as far as the GT-3.  Download the user manual and you will be amazed at the programability.  I suspect it is still deeper than the HD500 (I have the 300 so I can't be sure).  You can, of course switch between 2 values if you set it up that way but you are not limited to that.



Re: Pod HD500 vs Boss GT-10
by BobbyDeVitoM9 on 2010-11-22 19:58:53

i really dig the effects on the GT-10. heck i still own a GT-5, which is one of the best multiFX BOSS ever made. i still use it for gigs sometimes, it's a great unit.

the GT-10 has some VERY good effects in it, but i don't think it has nearly as good MODELING as the HD series. the COSM stuff has been pretty much the same since the mid 90s.  the GT-10 has nearly the same models in it that my GT-5 has.

to my ears, the GT-10 has a slight edge on the effects.....but the HD series PODS have caught up quite a bit with the inclusion of the M13/M9 effects.

i like BOTH units for sure. for recording, the HD wins easily. for live gigs, i could use either easily with an amp. runnning direct or FRFR, the POD HD wins for me



Re: Pod HD500 vs Boss GT-10
by sundance_kiddsg on 2010-11-23 00:55:19

i've just recently jumped ship from being a long time boss user (from the stompboxes to the gx700 to the gt6 to the gt10).

i simply couldn't get a tone that i like from the od/ds and amp models on the gt10.

karl calls them laughable but i thought that's a little harsh; i'd simply say that those tones aren't for me...

while the hd500 isn't as versatile as the gt10 (for example, on the gt10 you can program a single footswitch to simultaneously alternate effects, change gain structure, covert fix time delay to tap tempo and more) i could dial in very useable and, more importantly, pleasing sounding tones with not much effort on the hd500.

so for now, it's basic tone first, versatility later. round one to hd500.

kidd



Re: Pod HD500 vs Boss GT-10
by Karl_Houseknecht on 2010-11-23 04:52:26

sundance_kiddsg wrote:

i simply couldn't get a tone that i like from the od/ds and amp models on the gt10.

karl calls them laughable but i thought that's a little harsh; i'd simply say that those tones aren't for me...

To be clear, I said that many of the amp models were laughable.  Some aren't bad at all.  And I do really like the OD/DS models.  They're very good.



Re: Pod HD500 vs Boss GT-10
by songwaters on 2010-11-23 09:50:00

could you please tell me how? cant find it in the user manual...

also assigning is more troublesome in the GT because you have to go to the

i dont see how the gt10 is more flexible... could you please point out one usable flexibility in the gt10 not there in hd500? i feel that maybe because the gt has a 4 year reputation of being the most flexible pedal around and th HDs are being marketed by their amps their flexibility factor is being ignored... you also cannot set up more than one reverb in que on the gt 10, same with other effects.

im a lover of the synth maniac and synth swell and the slow gear effects on the gt10 though, i wonder how they ignored it on the HD.



Re: Pod HD500 vs Boss GT-10
by L6EXPERT on 2010-11-23 09:53:35

There´s really no comparsion there. GT-10 outdated technology. MFX goes year from year on the evolution process, reminds me when I got my GT-8 and kept it for 5 years. Now a new MFX will come across every 6-12 months or so overrating the older ones. Its a matter of keeping up with the future technologies.



Re: Pod HD500 vs Boss GT-10
by Karl_Houseknecht on 2010-11-23 10:07:24

songwaters wrote:

i dont see how the gt10 is more flexible... could you please point out one usable flexibility in the gt10 not there in hd500?

It's a mixed bag.  The 500 definitely has some improved flexibility type features.  But here's one you can't do on the 500 right now:

Assign the expression pedal so that the wah engages when the pedal is moved off its minimum value.

There are also deeper assigns and control available on the GT.  And you have the amp channel switching capability on the GT.  I know I'm just scratching the surface here, but I can see the case for someone legitimately calling out the GT as more flexible.  It just depends on how they're measuring it.



Re: Pod HD500 vs Boss GT-10
by L6EXPERT on 2010-11-23 10:08:38

Yes and if you use DUAL plus Spring Reverb and another effect or so, you´ll be on the LACK OF DSP territory.



Re: Pod HD500 vs Boss GT-10
by TheRealZap on 2010-11-23 10:10:53

and if you use the internet and a keyboard at the same time you run out of DSP... all in all the HD500 is quite the bargain.



Re: Pod HD500 vs Boss GT-10
by L6EXPERT on 2010-11-23 10:11:59

Maybe in the HD1000 we´ll be able to use dual amps plus spring reverbs, eqs and compressors at the same time.



Re: Pod HD500 vs Boss GT-10
by BryanMichael on 2010-11-23 11:55:04

I also recently moved from a BOSS GT-10 to the HD500.  To be honest, the HD500 hasn't blown me away.  Don't get me wrong, the HD500 is much more "authentic" sounding when it comes to basic amp tones, and I like many of the effects, but IMO the BOSS unit is 10x more flexible and gives you 10x the control over those effects by all of the parameters provided.  In many ways, it was overkill for someone that wanted to just "plug in and play" but I'm not blown away by the HD500, I still think Guitar Rig (software) sounds better, and the BOSS unit had much better effects with much more control.  Also, the build quality of the BOSS unit is twice that of the Line 6 unit- seriously.  That said, the core reason I bought the HD500 was the amp models.  They are much more authentic than the BOSS unit, and the other two reasons I went with the Line 6 is that it has a STEREO effects loop, which means I can add in any stereo analog effect pedal I have and preserve the stereo field, something that BOSS has never offered!  AND it has a very nice dedicated software editor, another thing that BOSS just has never gotten around too.  It's just too bad that I still need an analog overdrive pedal to really make the HD500 sound the way I want it to, but that's really a matter of preference I guess, I'm pretty happy with my switch over all, I just hope that they can iron out a few small details in the models that make them better.



Re: Pod HD500 vs Boss GT-10
by whiteop on 2010-11-23 12:01:09

It's all in the Assigns menu. You can assign the footswitch to control different aspects of almost any effects. Want more gain, faster rate on tremolo, phaser, or flanger, able to change to a different type overdrive or distortion by clicking in on the toe switch? It's all there.

The GT-10 may not have the best amp models but what they miss there they do great in the effects area. The delays sound better than the HD500 IMO. If you could just marry the two you'd have the perfect combo...;)

Line 6 could probably make some better sounding overdrive and distortion stompbox models. I just use the tubedriver, screamer, and classic distortion models for my needs. The others don't do too much for me but then again I'm not a fuzz type of guy.

That said, the HD500 has some excellent sounding amp modeling but they do need to add in a few more or refine some that they do have to make them more useable. So far I"m really just using the Fender Deluxe, Bassman, AC30, Park, and Treadplate amp models.



Re: Pod HD500 vs Boss GT-10
by phil_m on 2010-11-23 12:04:09

You think the effects on the GT-10 are better than the effects on the HD500?  That's cool, but it's just been so different than any of my experience with Boss and Line 6 effects over the years.  I actually tried the ME-70 last year for a few days hoping to use if for a compact effects-only unit with my amp, and I couldn't for the life of me get it to sound the way I wanted.  I just got annoyed, so I actually ended up buying an M9.  I guess I just like the sonic signature of the Line 6 effects a lot better.  To me, I guess the Boss effects sound a lot more sterile.  It's not that they're bad, I just like the more vintage, rough around the edges vibe that the Line 6 models have.



Re: Pod HD500 vs Boss GT-10
by whiteop on 2010-11-23 12:08:29

Line 6 is cutting edge, don't get me wrong. I love the amp models on the HD500 but the effects don't sound quite as good as the GT-10 to me. I've played both comparing effects at the same time to see for myself.

The ME-70 is a toy compared to the GT-10 IMO having owned the latter and playing on the former several times trying to get to like it at the local GC...



Re: Pod HD500 vs Boss GT-10
by phil_m on 2010-11-23 12:17:57

I've not tried the GT-10, but I have tried the previous versions of the GT-series.  I just was never able to get past the sterile-ness of the units.  I find that different players just have different tastes when it comes to these things.  That's really why asking people which one is better is generally useless.  It's all going to come down to what an individual person likes better, anyway.  I learned many years ago to basically not take the vast majority of reviews I read online seriously.



Re: Pod HD500 vs Boss GT-10
by BryanMichael on 2010-11-23 12:48:44

The GT-10 was an improvement over the GT-8, I know because I had them both.  AS to being "sterile"  - I will say that having now purchased the HD500 and coming off of years using BOSS and Roland (THe VG-88 and VG-99) I can understand that a little bit.  The Line 6 effects seem a little more "lo-fi" than the BOSS/Roland stuff, which is really probably because the Line 6 purports to actually MODEL the effects it offers, whereas the BOSS units "replicate" them with their own algorithms. One thing I want to clarify however is that with something like the GT-10, you have numerous ways to tweak and "correct" the sound to get it where you want it-if you don't like the high end, you can tweak it, too much "fizz" in the distortion, you can tweak it, etc... with the HD500, what I'm seeing is more of a "what you hear is what you get" type of thing.  You either like the sonic signature of the effect you are using or you don't, there isn't much tweakability in the overall sound.  I don't think either one does well with distortions/overdrives, although each one has a few that sound okay- nothing compares to my modded TS-9 or Diceworks Fuzz, they just have a tone and feel that I don't think anyone has gotten right yet in a model.

also, I really do think that the Boss effects are not just better than the HD500 effects, they are better by a long shot, at least in terms of flexibility and parameters.  As far as "authenticity"?  I have no opinion on that really.  I will say that the BOSS tape echo sounds just like my Roland Space echo, so much so that I sold the Space Echo.  I honestly couldn't believe it- we tend to think of tape of having this quality to it, but honestly the Space Echo was pretty darn Hi-fi! I didn't realize it until I did a shoot out with it and my Deluxe Memory man and the BOSS.  The BOSS was surprisingly close, so much so that I couldn't justify keeping the big, expensive tape based Space Echo (Mine was the RE-301 with reverb/chorus model)

I like the Rotary effects on the Line 6 MUCH better than the Boss one (yuck) and I think the Tube Overdrive on the Line 6 replicates my BK Butler Blue Tube (like the real tube and tube driver, just lower gain model) "crunch" 100%!

So, IMO it's hit and miss on sound, but flexibility and tweakability go to BOSS every time.



Re: Pod HD500 vs Boss GT-10
by phil_m on 2010-11-23 13:00:21
One thing I want to clarify however is that with something like the 
GT-10, you have numerous ways to tweak and "correct" the sound to get it
where you want it-if you don't like the high end, you can tweak it, too
much "fizz" in the distortion, you can tweak it, etc... with the HD500,
what I'm seeing is more of a "what you hear is what you get" type of
thing.

That's largely true.  I think Line 6's position has always been that they're modeling these vintage pedals, many of which are hard for the average guitarist to get their hands on, so they want to provide them with the experience of actually using some of these vintage stompboxes.  I can understand some frustration if people don't like certain models and want to fiddle with certain things.  Personally, I've been pretty happy with most of the effects, although, there's still plenty I never use.  I also have certain pedals that I don't foresee ever replacing with a modeler.



Re: Pod HD500 vs Boss GT-10
by deanesque on 2010-11-23 14:48:18

I think of the Line 6 stuff as virtually having all that gear - pres and cabs are spot on.  The Roland stuff is more like a workstation - not as spot on from the outset but you can pretty much get whatever you imagine.



Re: Pod HD500 vs Boss GT-10
by BryanMichael on 2010-11-24 10:27:16

I kinda like this analogy, however I don't think the overdrives are modeled spot on IMO.



Re: Pod HD500 vs Boss GT-10
by Karl_Houseknecht on 2010-11-24 10:44:56

whiteop wrote:

The ME-70 is a toy compared to the GT-10 ...

Let me tell you a story about that unit.  Former guitarist in my band had an extremely cheap rig consisting of a used ME-70, a used 80's solid state Crate head, and a 4x12 ported cab.  All total, guitar included, not more than $300.

And yet, I had the sound guy pull me aside to ask me how a cheap Boss pedal and cheap amp like that could sound so much better than the $3000 boutique head that the guitarist in the band up after us used.  Don't underestimate or put down what can be accomplished with that ME-70.  It is far from being a toy.



Re: Pod HD500 vs Boss GT-10
by BryanMichael on 2010-11-24 11:09:33

A good point.  Since I was a BASS player the entire time I was a gigging musician (12 years until I "retired" in 2001) I played with a lot of guitar players.  Most were at least halfway decent, but gear is complicated, really.  Some guitar players have good ears, some don't, but they can't miss when playing through decent gear.  Some are tweakers, and understand all the nuances of what each effect does and how much is "too much" and when to use compression, and when to EQ, and which frequency they are listening to when they EQ, etc.. etc... but many guitar players are just "plug-n-play crank it up to 11 and wonder why it sounds like S#!T" type of guys.  In some instances I could help them tweak better than they could because I've always been a gear head and experimented with tons of gear, and honestly, gear can be a wilderness and some guitar players will never get the most out of a single piece of gear because they give up on it, and I don't really blame them most of the time   You have to ENJOY the process of tweaking, and most people just want to PLAY.



Re: Pod HD500 vs Boss GT-10
by phil_m on 2010-11-24 13:52:38

Have you ever seen this video? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCi48KHyiek

They may not be perfect, but I think they're pretty good.  The thing is, though, they're modeling a specific vintage of a specific effect, so I guess that means people either like that effect or they don't.



Re: Pod HD500 vs Boss GT-10
by songwaters on 2010-11-30 07:27:10

amp chanell switching can be done on hd500 also by assigning both amps to one footswitch one int the off and one in the on state.... keeping the bypass volume 0. agree with the wah thing though that sounds pretty handy.

i tried it again, you cannot assign the gain or any parameter to do a smpooth continous sweep with the expression pedal.. what use is the abuility to swith the gain up by 10 or whatever value if you can do this? and it can sweep more than one thing at a time...

also editing the fx chain is much easier and quicker in HD500 as you dont have to acess the fx chain menu everytime but i guess thats more convenience related than flexibility related...



Re: Pod HD500 vs Boss GT-10
by Karl_Houseknecht on 2010-11-30 07:30:00

songwaters wrote:

amp chanell switching can be done on hd500 also by assigning both amps to one footswitch one int the off and one in the on state...

I mean switching channels on a REAL amp.  Not amp models.  The HD500 can only do this via MIDI if the amp supports it, or if you have something like the Mini Amp Gizmo.  The GT-10 has a momentary switch output that you can program to switch the channels on an external amp.



Re: Pod HD500 vs Boss GT-10
by songwaters on 2010-11-30 07:37:47

hi,

ive been thru the assigns menu and used it, i think a few months back when i was tryingt to see how i can use the exp pedal to sweep the gain on an amp or a distortion, i realised you couldnt..

im NOT trying to get a footswitch to do that, im trying the exp pedal when slowly pushed forward to guve me a distortion swell of sorts.... i think i had posted on a gt10 forum then and no one could help me out there, what the exp pedal does is bump the distortion value up or down to between max and min you have set it to... also there are more footswitches on the hd500 so you can assign different multiple things to each...

i think the flexibilities of the HD500 even out the gt10 in number and beat them in usability...

exept a few exeptions of course !



Re: Pod HD500 vs Boss GT-10
by songwaters on 2010-11-30 07:39:58

oh, ok... my bad.

i just have roland cube15!

pla\nning to buy a good one soon... what amp would you suggest to get the maximum unadultrated uncoloured out of the hd? (exept the line6 ones?)



Re: Pod HD500 vs Boss GT-10
by songwaters on 2010-11-30 07:57:37

Hi,

Some of the boss efects were better i thinnk, i personally liked the room reverb better on the gt, i loved how it souunded with the hi cut turned all the way up on a clean rectifier... so etheral!! havent been able to get that on the HD...

also the reverb level and the dry level could be indipendedntly set on the GT10. on the hd if i want 100% reverb then i only have the mix button and putting mix button to max comletely blocks out my dry signal!

however, the delays cannot really be compared the same way... first in number and variety where the pod EASILY blows the gt out of the water... the dynamic delay?? brilliant, was looking for something like that for ywears. got so irritated when the delay started right in the middle of the solo phraze.. i wanted it to be there only as an after acho after i stopped playing. the low res delay, brilliant, and the others are also mostly at par or better. perhaps the gt reverbs were more luch if i remember correctly. so in the end it evens out in both quality and quantity indipendently.

reverbs, room sucks on the hd, sounds unnatural, cuts off too suddenly at 50%, very rash... cant get tht effect i had on the gt by puttingthe hi cut to max:(

but both springs are brilliant...maybe better than gt10,k i dont really remember. and particle verb i would pay 500 bucks for separately:D  cave is good, hall again was better on the gt10. so it evens out in FX!

i dont know why they have included random pitch shifters and what not but forgot to include slow gear(auto swell), feedbacker. the synth maniac and synth effects on gt10 were lovely. i think you could actually play more than one note at once with the synth swell effect, 2 notes thru any HD synth FX just sound like donkeyshit. synth attach sounds good on single notes though.

distortions i cant comment, but i like to think thaat sinnce gain on the amp models is 100 times better than gt line6 would have better distortions too, obviously a bit biased here:)

humaniser/voice box easily better on the HD. vibrato easily better on the GT.

al in all i would prefer the fx set of HD, but some models could be stolen from the gt and some are better on the gt.



Re: Pod HD500 vs Boss GT-10
by Karl_Houseknecht on 2010-11-30 08:47:13

songwaters wrote:

what amp would you suggest to get the maximum unadultrated uncoloured out of the hd? (exept the line6 ones?)

No traditional guitar amp, including the DT50's, is going to give you that.  You may want to look into a powered PA speaker of some kind.



Re: Pod HD500 vs Boss GT-10
by deanesque on 2010-11-30 08:47:28

songwaters wrote:

hi,

ive been thru the assigns menu and used it, i think a few months back when i was tryingt to see how i can use the exp pedal to sweep the gain on an amp or a distortion, i realised you couldnt..

im NOT trying to get a footswitch to do that, im trying the exp pedal when slowly pushed forward to guve me a distortion swell of sorts.... i think i had posted on a gt10 forum then and no one could help me out there, what the exp pedal does is bump the distortion value up or down to between max and min you have set it to... also there are more footswitches on the hd500 so you can assign different multiple things to each...

i think the flexibilities of the HD500 even out the gt10 in number and beat them in usability...

exept a few exeptions of course !

You should be able to set the min value at what the pre or stomp o/d or distortion is currently set at in the patch and set the max value to what you want it to go to.  This should allow you to push the pedal forward (or backward if you reverse the values) and add more and more distortion until you reach the max value.   I don't have time to do it now but when I get a chance I'll do this on mine.  I did it on all of my patches on my GT-3.



Re: Pod HD500 vs Boss GT-10
by songwaters on 2010-11-30 10:02:45

ok, please tell me if it worked...



Re: Pod HD500 vs Boss GT-10
by deanesque on 2010-12-01 20:32:44

Choose a patch.

go to Master/Pedal FX

go to Assign

in the Target choose OD/DS or Preamp A (or B)

Just below the Target field is a field that defaults to on/off - this must be changed to the parameter that you want to control.  (on/off does just that but you want continouse control.)

There are several selectios in this field.  For OD/DS you want to choose Drive.  For Preamp you want to choose Gain.

Then below that field you will see min and just below that max values.  You won't seem them unless you have previously chosen the correct Target of Gain or Drive.  That is probalby where you got lost.

Hope this helps.



Re: Pod HD500 vs Boss GT-10
by phart on 2011-02-16 07:44:01

my 2cents...

I've been around a long time. Nothing is perfect, you gotta decide what's important and trade off the rest.

Live is life, I'm not a studio rat although I do my fair share of recording. I have a GT-10, used to have a XTL, still have a pod 1.0 that is worth more to me than the money I would get for it. Likely going for a HD500 to replace the GT-10 because I have decided to simplify my live rig and need better basic amp sounds.

Every MFX unit has it's strong and weak points, you gotta test drive em in the situation you will be using them. Here's my conclusions that are tru for me:

GT-10: much better FX overall, weak amps, really good speaker cabs, SUPREME tweakability, fantastic live features (easy amp switching, solo boost, tons of EQing to minimize the nasally low mid tone that's into everything), some nice "Master" level control that makes global tweaks super easy, fast swapping of programs and tones (you can save your beast preamp tones and then dial them into a new patch), a more 'holistic' approach to programming that I like; the acoustic sim is nice in a pinch (won't win you a grammy tho) but only if you're running full-range (more on that later), better control over paramaters, lots of detailed info in the manual

Line 6: WAY BETTER amps (even on my Pod 1.0), an easier 'linear' approach to programming but you'll sacrifice GT-10 tweakability; the DSP-LIMIT issue has me worried, I gotta check it out to see if it's a PITB, plus Line 6 makes life easier by having manuals and free editors readily available; a more 'American' approach to the manual (fewer details but an easier read than anything BOSS or ROLAND have ever put out)

To capture a range of tones doing live covers, I would recommend getting a good power amp, like the ART SLA-1 or SLA-2, into high-power/high-quality full range cabs. 12s for sure, 10s won't have the oomph and 15s are too woofy. I use a pair of EV Stage 200s (with the legendary EVM 12S in them) with a Rane EQ before the amp to dial in some lower freqs. I have tried modellers into tube power amps into guitar cabs, but you completely lose the nuances of the cabinet simulators, which is half the gear's tone! My rig is small, very portable, loud, and stereo.

Cheers



Re: Pod HD500 vs Boss GT-10
by sixstring71 on 2011-08-08 22:52:55

Hi,

my expierience is that the gt 10 is the better one when u want to use effects and u use and tube amp, u can have more varieties of sound when u use the 4 cables method, i use an engl screamer and i prefer the gt 10. but when u looking for an effect unit which produces "tube sounds" and you are not the effect maniac i think a better choice ist the l6 hd500, sounds more like tubes. but it s my opinion only when u don´t use an tubeamp in between. both are good but i prefer the gt 10 in combination with an tube amp, for recording or direct connected with pa is the l6 hd 500 my fave, so its up to you.You have to think about what u whant to do.

regds from germany



Re: Pod HD500 vs Boss GT-10
by DarthElvis on 2011-08-09 15:51:30

How about running an HD300 into the effects loop of the GT-10 for the amp models alone ? Do-able with decent results ? Mulling over an HD300 for just this purpose, but want to find out before I shell out the cash.

Oh yeah, 1 more thing. Can you use midi to switch patches on the HD ? Would simplify things greatly since the GT has midi functionality.



Re: Pod HD500 vs Boss GT-10
by jameslimborg on 2013-01-09 19:23:00

The Line 6 POD HD500 had way-too-much built-in compression [Meaning when the Compressor effect was OFF, it still had way-too-much compression forcing my quiet-notes louder and my loud-notes quieter; having very little dynamic-range]; The VOX Tonelab LE also had that problem.  However, the Roland BOSS GT-10 has plenty of dynamic range. 

BOSS GT-10 Patches by James Limborg

http://www.jameslimborg.com/boss-gt-10-patches-download.html



Re: Pod HD500 vs Boss GT-10
by alfmetal70 on 2013-01-10 07:00:20

For me the effects (less de harmony) are far better on the GT-10.

From the store the GT-10 and the HD500 are very similar for me, but if you know use both you can get better (more natural) tone from the HD. The amps have so much dynamic than the GT-10.

So for me, if you will only use the effects (less de harmony) maybe will be better the GT, but if you will use the simulations (amps, cabs, preamp+power, etc.) is better the HD.

Good luck



Re: Pod HD500 vs Boss GT-10
by CairnsFella on 2013-01-11 20:35:43

alfmetal70 wrote:

For me the effects (less de harmony) are far better on the GT-10.

From the store the GT-10 and the HD500 are very similar for me, but if you know use both you can get better (more natural) tone from the HD. The amps have so much dynamic than the GT-10.

So for me, if you will only use the effects (less de harmony) maybe will be better the GT, but if you will use the simulations (amps, cabs, preamp+power, etc.) is better the HD.

Good luck

A valid point Im sure alfmetal, however this is an old old old thread. I dont wish to be cynical (and I may be mistaken) but I think jameslimburg may have had an ulterior motive for his post.



Re: Pod HD500 vs Boss GT-10
by Akeron on 2013-01-12 00:55:58

CairnsFella wrote:

I think jameslimburg may have had an ulterior motive for his post.

I agree They call it "spam"...



Re: Pod HD500 vs Boss GT-10
by alfmetal70 on 2013-01-12 01:44:46

I understand now , greetings!



Re: Pod HD500 vs Boss GT-10
by porcytree on 2013-01-12 15:16:14

yeah......Mr Limberg would (and occasionally still does) appear on various threads on the GT central forums selling his wares.

he couldn't quite grasp that there were very many extremely knowlegable and helpful guys on there that would happily post tones for free or help someone to refine there tones, and would troll the forums trying to entice people to send him money to recieve his tones.



Re: Pod HD500 vs Boss GT-10
by JaszboChristus on 2013-01-13 02:30:30

I had a GT-10 and traded it for the POD HD500. The HD500 wins out hands down. It sounds by far more natural, whereas, to me, the GT-10 sounded quite synthetic in comparison.



Re: Pod HD500 vs Boss GT-10
by JaszboChristus on 2013-01-13 02:32:13

Mr. Limborg,

You seem to be a lame troll intent on profiteering. Do you avoid mirrors for fear of pangs of conscience?

Cheers,

Jim Adams




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