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Finally Nailed a Great Tone!
by Jason_Kennedy on 2010-11-21 15:05:57

I've had the HD500 for about a month now and I've finally nailed a great tone. And I have to say, the HD500 sounds AWESOME! I previously had an X3 Live and for what I use the gear for, the HD500 blows it waaayyyy out of the water.

What I found finally helped me get that perfect tone, and the reason I'm posting this discussion, was by panning both left and right outputs to the centre. I'm only running a single amp setup so I don't really have any need for stereo.

I just thought I'd share this as doing this simple thing really improved the sound I was getting. When it was panned hard left-right the sound was a little thin and even a little distant; but when they are both centred it sounds really full and sweet.

So if you are struggling with a thin-ish sound, give this a go and see if it helps!

Here's to a great piece of kit!! Well done Line 6!!

Jason



Re: Finally Nailed a Great Tone!
by ozbadman on 2010-11-21 15:14:38

Congrats, and interesting.

I would expect the 1/4" mono out should sound identical, as the HD500 is supposed to combine the left and right when just a single plug is connected. It sounds like you're saying Line 6's mixer colours the sound under these conditions. I'll have to look into that.

Thanks,

David.



Re: Finally Nailed a Great Tone!
by Jason_Kennedy on 2010-11-21 15:27:05

Sorry, just to confirm: I'm not coming out the mono 1/4" but XLR right and left direct to the PA.

I use stereo in-ear mix with UE4 pros and the HD500 sounds incredible through them, especially after this little tweak I mentioned. As I said I don't really use stereo effects much, but like to have the option there just incase I want to us a stereo delay or the like.

Jas



Re: Finally Nailed a Great Tone!
by ozbadman on 2010-11-21 15:48:52

Ahhh. That explains that. I think going out a single Mono out automatically combines the signals so should be the equivalent of panning middle for those of us doing this for some circumstances.



Re: Finally Nailed a Great Tone!
by Pstrat on 2010-11-21 17:13:18

Actually thanks this is very helpful.  I go direct to the board and never bothered to pan my single amp patches back to center, and I will now.



Re: Finally Nailed a Great Tone!
by MickSlick on 2010-11-21 17:18:47

Also try panning the left all the way to the right and the right all the way to the left, seems counterintuitive, but really improved a number of my patches.



Re: Finally Nailed a Great Tone!
by ozbadman on 2010-11-21 18:04:52

MickSlick wrote:

Also try panning the left all the way to the right and the right all the way to the left, seems counterintuitive, but really improved a number of my patches.

Hmmm. Sounds like you have your real mixer set up oddly. This should make no difference in sound quality if your actual mixer has equal settings on both left and right channels.



Re: Finally Nailed a Great Tone!
by MickSlick on 2010-11-21 19:20:01

My main monitoring / patch set up rig is studio monitors / sub hooked up via computer, straightforward stereo mix.

Regarding setting the patches up this way, some of the factory presets are actually set up this way by line 6, check it out.



Re: Finally Nailed a Great Tone!
by xxrix on 2010-11-22 09:41:14

Yes, setting the pan control to the centre makes a huge improvement to the sound, I've also discover this point last week and i've got amazing results!!!!

It has been like the end of the saint graal reserch....or maybe the beginning......



Re: Finally Nailed a Great Tone!
by guitars69 on 2010-11-22 12:46:23

Are you guys sure this isn't just the natural volume change when panning center?  Panned center the volume would be a few db louder and in general, louder always sounds better...

Could be that some comb filtering or something pops up when mono and that this is the sound you were hoping for.

I pan center anyways since I use a single output to our headphone mix and my other guitarist takes the other side.  Stereo effects sound cool alone but are useless live for me at least.



Re: Finally Nailed a Great Tone!
by ozbadman on 2010-11-22 12:53:02

Or, perhaps there's actually different signals going out the different channels through a dual path setup, which would create different interference patterns depending on what's coming out where?



Re: Finally Nailed a Great Tone!
by Jason_Kennedy on 2010-11-22 12:56:12

I'm fairly sure it's not a volume thing. It, of course, is louder panned centre rather than left-right - but I got our sound guy to pull me back in my mix to compensate and it still sounded great.



Re: Finally Nailed a Great Tone!
by John_BlisterTip on 2010-11-22 15:20:13

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In Mixing....whenever someone describes something as thin and distant it is almost always Phase Cancelation. I would suggest always using a single mono source--as is done on almost every guitar recording we have ever heard--no chance of phasing that way.



Re: Finally Nailed a Great Tone!
by Jason_Kennedy on 2010-11-23 00:45:15

I'm familiar with phasing, but I don't think it's that. Surely it would get worse by putting the L and R signals on top of one another rather than them being panned wide left and right?

Unless there is some weird phasing happening on the internals of the HD500?

Thanks

Jas



Re: Finally Nailed a Great Tone!
by Andy_Mack on 2010-11-23 07:28:09

Hey Jason,

I am also NOT interested in getting a stereo signal, so I need to try this out tonight.  I originally had lots of trouble finding "my sound" on the HD500 and was initially disappointed, but it's coming together now.  Maybe this will push it over the top in terms of awesomeness.

later,

Andy



Re: Finally Nailed a Great Tone!
by songwaters on 2010-11-23 10:02:23

hey! no! i just tried it...and im using mono out for 1/4" mono out.... theres a difference! quite noticable... its stronger in tone, and slightly thicker... maybe not just louder! just play your low e string and pan from side to centre while it is ringing... ull gear a slight swell



Re: Finally Nailed a Great Tone!
by ozbadman on 2010-11-23 10:04:34

Thanks.

I'll give it a go, although not ideal for me to hear the differences with my current setup.

Cheers.



Re: Finally Nailed a Great Tone!
by Lespaulidas on 2010-11-23 11:01:12

Do you guys think this is something I should try with a DT50 LINK connection as well?   I guess I'll gie it a try, but was wondering what some of you more knowledgeble Line 6 guys have to say about this issue and the LINK connection.  Thanks.



Re: Finally Nailed a Great Tone!
by Nick_Mattocks on 2010-11-23 11:11:14

Hi

If you have a DT50, yes go for it.  The L6 Link is your best route to the DT50 really.  A single DT50 will sum both L + R channels when using L6 Link.  The amp models to use ideally with a DT50 are reckoned to be the PRE models as they, in partnership with the power amp section and mode/NFL switching should give you the closest possible emulation of the amp that was originally modelled BUT you can of course use whatever amp models you wish

Nick



Re: Finally Nailed a Great Tone!
by Lespaulidas on 2010-11-23 11:17:10

Thanks for the quick response Nick!  Yes I do use all the PRE models, and I am very happy with my tone I have created via HD500 /LINK /DT50.  But reading this post, I was thinking that if I could get it better by panning (as suggested by the op), then I think for me, it would put my sound over the top!  I'll report back when I finally get home to try this.  Thanks again.




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