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HD400 Delay Tap Tempo (Dotted 8th)
by mysocalledchaos on 2010-12-27 10:02:38

I just got the HD400. I love it. alot. i was wondering how to change the delay type from quarter note to dotted 8th when it is set to tap mode. when i turn the dial, it just changes the BPM but it wont let me change the note value. please help. thanks alot.



Re: HD400 Delay Tap Tempo (Dotted 8th)
by silverhead on 2010-12-27 10:03:52

The tap tempo note value is fixed at 1/4 note in the HD400; it can't be changed.



Re: HD400 Delay Tap Tempo (Dotted 8th)
by mysocalledchaos on 2010-12-27 10:07:00

i was afraid of that. thanks for your speedy answer though!



Re: HD400 Delay Tap Tempo (Dotted 8th)
by forresal on 2010-12-27 10:35:36

Wow.  That seems odd.  The manual seems to suggest that it can be changed.

@mysocalled - glad to see you registered here and were able to get your question answered....



Re: HD400 Delay Tap Tempo (Dotted 8th)
by mysocalledchaos on 2010-12-27 10:38:56

well thank you forresal for reconmending this page for me. i didnt even know it existed.



Re: HD400 Delay Tap Tempo (Dotted 8th)
by silverhead on 2010-12-27 10:44:20

forresal wrote:

Wow.  That seems odd.  The manual seems to suggest that it can be changed.

I'd love to find out it can be changed - can you point me to where the HD400 manual suggests that?



Re: HD400 Delay Tap Tempo (Dotted 8th)
by MaestrosounD on 2010-12-27 10:45:30

Can it be changed on he 500?



Re: HD400 Delay Tap Tempo (Dotted 8th)
by silverhead on 2010-12-27 10:47:43

Yes - it can be changed on the 500. I don't know the details since I don't have a 500 - I believe you have to set it manually in the patch parameters. Look in the manual or search on this forum - I've seen threads about it.



Re: HD400 Delay Tap Tempo (Dotted 8th)
by forresal on 2010-12-27 11:09:46

Hey silverhead-

I was looking at the Advanced Guide.

Page 2.4 (briefly)

Page 4.3

and

Ch. 8.

Now I may be way off since I've not used the 400 and have only been looking into getting a HD500 (upgrading from an X3L).

But as I read the manual, it suggests you:

Select your delay model.  Use the Nav Key to scroll to Tap Ctrl.  Select "Control."  Then navigate to "time/tempo."  Since the tap is set to "control", the "tempo" will show with a note and bpm.  Then the dial to change.

Again, this is just from reading the manual and note actually working with the unit.

By doing the above, does it just change the BPM while leaving a quarter note showing?  That would really suck when trying to get alternate tempo repeats on the fly.  Pain in the butt to tap in a .8th....

Just trying to help!



Re: HD400 Delay Tap Tempo (Dotted 8th)
by silverhead on 2010-12-27 11:25:51

forresal wrote:

....

By doing the above, does it just change the BPM while leaving a quarter note showing? ..

Yes, unfortunately the tempo is fixed at 1/4 note taps. Whether you set the tempo using the footswitch, or set the bpm, the delay trails follow the 1/4 notes in terms of repetitions. That's what the manual means when it says:

If you stomp out your desired 1/4 note rhythm on the TAP footswitch, this will set a new Tap Tempo, and FX3 models will then follow this new BPM value.

Note that it specifies 1/4 note rhythm.



Re: HD400 Delay Tap Tempo (Dotted 8th)
by forresal on 2010-12-27 11:46:56

I was hoping that was 1/4 note by default.

Another boost for me to get the 500.

Still seems odd that with the XTL, X3, and I believe even with the M series you could set the note but not on the HD400.  Maybe L6 will change that in an update???



Re: HD400 Delay Tap Tempo (Dotted 8th)
by Josiahfied on 2012-10-27 11:50:23

      It's a pretty dirty move to not have it in the 300 and 400 when previous pedals have had it. I just got my pedal in the mail yesterday (the 400) and when I found out there isn't even a dotted 8th tap delay on it.. Well. Seeing as there are multiple forums about it you get the point. 

     Will there be an update where they allow us to change the delay note?



Re: HD400 Delay Tap Tempo (Dotted 8th)
by jimsreynolds on 2012-10-27 12:32:57

Yep, on the HD500  you can select either a tap tempo interval or a fixed time interval.  The pic below shows both along with the list of available intervals.  Click on it to zoom in.  Same deal with the desktop and Pro.  First I have heard that it was limited on the 3/400.

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Re: HD400 Delay Tap Tempo (Dotted 8th)
by CairnsFella on 2012-10-27 22:06:32

I think its an intriguing limitation. Would have thought it was quite a noteable one, but I guess its lack of mention means it isnt being missed too much.

Anyway, for once I will go home, pick up the guitar, and have a little smile regarding a HD500 benefit I never knew I had (all due respect to the unfortunate 300 and 400 owners of course)



Re: HD400 Delay Tap Tempo (Dotted 8th)
by CairnsFella on 2012-10-27 22:09:40

Josiahfied wrote:

      It's a pretty dirty move to not have it in the 300 and 400 when previous pedals have had it. I just got my pedal in the mail yesterday (the 400) and when I found out there isn't even a dotted 8th tap delay on it.. Well. Seeing as there are multiple forums about it you get the point. 

     Will there be an update where they allow us to change the delay note?

If you have a look around you'll probably get the same impression as I, which is there is very little usually known about forthcoming updates. Indeed there is no explicit reason to believe there will be any more (but then I guess there is none to the contrary either).

My own view (guess) is that this limitation is an intended (though not massivley highlighted) product differentiator, in which case I'd say it was unlikely.



Re: HD400 Delay Tap Tempo (Dotted 8th)
by PDKTDK on 2012-10-28 03:47:22

I tend  to doubt it at this stage BUT....

You can manually set they delay time (based on BPM) using a calculator like the one here: http://www.guitar9.com/delaytime.html">http://www.guitar9.com/delaytime.html">http://www.guitar9.com/delaytime.html

It;s pretty simple. 



Re: HD400 Delay Tap Tempo (Dotted 8th)
by Akeron on 2012-10-28 03:56:31

The theory is the same

http://line6.com/support/thread/11624




Re: HD400 Delay Tap Tempo (Dotted 8th)
by jimsreynolds on 2012-10-28 07:49:01

CairnsFella wrote:

My own view (guess) is that this limitation is an intended (though not massivley highlighted) product differentiator.

That was my inferrence also.



Re: HD400 Delay Tap Tempo (Dotted 8th)
by lmeadors on 2013-01-05 18:33:35

This seriously sucks. The specs for the two (400 v 500) really need to be more clear about this.

While I appreciate people trying to help with the solution of tapping it, then doing some math and setting it to make it really do what you want...that would be fine if it wasn't a $400 piece of stage hardware.

That's kind of hard to do between songs though.

Epic fail, Line6.

Mine came in the mail Wednesday and I'm pissed.

I'll be returning it on Monday.



Re: HD400 Delay Tap Tempo (Dotted 8th)
by spaceatl on 2013-01-05 19:18:28

drive by?

So you bought one before reading this (and several other) 3 year old thread? $400 is way too much for a new HD400...You can get an HD500 in the US for that if you look...




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