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POD X3 Live Vs POD HD 500
by l_dharmaputra on 2011-01-26 01:44:55

Hi,

I am currently thinking on moving to POD X3 Live or POD HD 500 and could not decide which since both sounds equally awesome.

Can I have help from the Line6 Support team or fellow members in filling me in on:

What are the real differences between these two apart from the obvious such as "POD X3 has more amp modelling"?

Maybe POD HD can use more pedals at once compared to the X3 Live?

and also what is the difference between HD 500 and 400?

Thank you so much.



Re: POD X3 Live Vs POD HD 500
by lowsco on 2011-01-26 02:30:37

This is a big question. I think it'd help the forum members, experts and support guys if you could give them an idea about how and where you're going to use it. Studio and/or live, any specific features required? Do you plan to plug it into an amp (model?), PA or both? What's your current setup, what are your specific requirements and what sort of music are you playing?

Cheers,

Ralph



Re: POD X3 Live Vs POD HD 500
by jjgimlour on 2011-01-26 03:14:54

For me there were 2 major reasons for me changing. Firstly, the build quality of the X3 just wasn't up to scratch as far as I'm concerned, and the HD500 is built like a tank. It looks and feels like it was built to last. Secondly, and the most important one as far as I'm concerned, the sound. The quality of the tones I'm getting from the HD500 are far superior to the X3 (And the tones from the X3 were awesome). But with the X3 I was still having to use my Marshall TSL122, whereas now with the HD500 I go straight through the desk, and it sounds absolutely immense. The HD500 does take a wee bit more time to get your tones, but when you do they tend to be better than you could ever have hoped for from a modelling unit. Yes it has it's downsides as well, and these have been well documented. There are things the X3 has (Like the Citrus amp......Please Line 6 give me back my Citrus) that the HD500 doesn't, but what you have is 16 absolutely amazing amp models and a plethora of quality effects, all wrapped up in a steel case for £400. That is amazing in anyone's book. Especially when you consider that Fractal are offering their unit for 4 or 5 times the price, and to my ears at least, it doesn't sound as good.

Go get an HD500 my friend, and have a bit of patience and take the time tweaking your tones. Trust me you won't regret it.

For the record - Just last week, when I really got to grips with the HD500, I knew that I wouldn't use my X3 again. So I decided to be a good Dad and give the now redundant unit to my 14 year old son, who until now has been using my old XTL. His reply was "Oh right, em, I was kind of hoping you might buy me an HD500" Ungrateful or what? :/ We now have 2 HD500's..............I'm a sucker ain't I?



Re: POD X3 Live Vs POD HD 500
by l_dharmaputra on 2011-01-26 03:18:00

I will use it in both live and studio situation.

I'm thinking of using it directly to PA with probably an amp as my monitor.

As in specific features, I actually need something that can control as many pedal as possible. Let's say maybe 2 overdrives, 2 modulation, 2 reverbs, 2 delays etc (this is just an extreme example, I might just use something like 2 Overdrives, 1 Wah, with delay or something like that)

as for my genre, I play nearly everything. That is why I choose something like X3 Live or HD 500 since I can simply tweak something out of it to accommodate whatever style I need to play.

One more question is HD as detail as X3 Live? as in I can choose mic type and way of micing it with those eq-ing and stuff?

Thank you



Re: POD X3 Live Vs POD HD 500
by lowsco on 2011-01-26 03:46:53

l_dharmaputra wrote:

I will use it in both live and studio situation.

In a live situation the HD500 choice is almost a no-brainer as it is so much better than the X3L sound-wise. The built quality is superb and the whole user interface on the unit itself is far quicker and easier accessible, you can assign the switches to your likes and even assign groups of effects to single footswitches, very very good in my book. The HD500 has still a couple of bugs and glitches that could potentially annoy you a bit in a live situation, but I'm confident that Line 6 will sort them out with the next firmware update.

As a pure recording tool though the X3 was the better machine, for example, the HD500 cannot record a dry signal whilst you play processed. So re-amping and Pod Farm is a No-no with the HD500.

I'm thinking of using it directly to PA with probably an amp as my monitor.

That's possible with the X3L but, depending on how exactly you plan to feed the amp, not 100% satisfactory with the HD500 yet, you're probably thinking of setting the output to Line/Studio for the PA and to Amp out at the same time. At the moment, the HD500 can't do this, it's either or.

On the X3L you can split the output signal to Line/Studio and Amp at the same time.

As in specific features, I actually need something that can control as many pedal as possible. Let's say maybe 2 overdrives, 2 modulation, 2 reverbs, 2 delays etc (this is just an extreme example, I might just use something like 2 Overdrives, 1 Wah, with delay or something like that)

That'd be the HD500, although there are limits, it depends a bit on how much DSP each effect is using up, but the HD500 is the most flexible in that respect. You're free to use any number of effects (well, up to 8 and within processor limits of course) of the same type in any position. The HD400 is definitely too limited for that matter and the X3L is also limited as you can't place the effects as freely in the chain, nor can you use the same effect several times.

To get a feel for what is possible in that respect, it could be a good idea to download the HD500 Edit software (see link above for downloads, it's free and you can run it without a HD500 attached) and then load some tones from HD500 users from the CustomTone section also here on this website. I suggest to load user created tones in order to get a feel for what is possible within processor limits, if you design tones on the editor from scratch, theoretically possible, the edit software will not be able to tell you if you've exceeded the DSP capabilities.

as for my genre, I play nearly everything. That is why I choose something like X3 Live or HD 500 since I can simply tweak something out of it to accommodate whatever style I need to play.

Sound-wise the HD500 is miles apart from the X3L, there is so much more definition (or call it resolution) and the dynamics are closer to the real thing. You can make out the more powerful processor instantly when you compare the HD500 to the X3L side by side. So as far as sound is a concern I'd go for the HD500 full stop.

One more question is HD as detail as X3 Live? as in I can choose mic type and way of micing it with those eq-ing and stuff?

You can choose the mic on the HD500 and also adjust the virtual room size (or mic - cab recording distance) for "early reflections".

I used to use the X3L and went to the HD500. A bit of a jump in cold water, but I wouldn't want to go back, the sound is so much better. My studio tech doesn't like it for a couple of the above reasons and I therefore still use a X3 bean in the studio.

Despite some limitations and although there are still a couple of bugs and glitches, overall I'd recommend the HD500. Read through a few threads on this forum and wait for a couple of alternative views on this, but I think the HD500 could be the right machine for you.

Hope this helps a bit,

Ralph



Re: POD X3 Live Vs POD HD 500
by l_dharmaputra on 2011-01-26 18:33:15

Despite some limitations and although there are still a couple of bugs and glitches

Now this is interesting

What kind of bugs and glitches are you experiencing in the HD500?

And is HD500 come like XTL where you have to download some junkies effects and stuff or it came with the whole complete package? Thank you so much.



Re: POD X3 Live Vs POD HD 500
by timowens on 2011-01-26 19:37:13

What kind of bugs and glitches are you experiencing in the HD500?

See this thread for a list of 'confirmed' bugs and then simply browse the forum for all the other issues that have not been 'officially' confirmed as bugs. http://line6.com/community/thread/51515



Re: POD X3 Live Vs POD HD 500
by shockwave199 on 2011-01-27 01:37:50

I'm in the same spot, coming from and still using an XTL. It was either a X3L or a 500, considering I use a variax too. 90% of the time, I use my pod for stage. I chose the X3L. The tricky part of that decision is the X3L is only available on the used market now. An X3L or a 500 could be glitchy, but you can get support/return/exchange options with a 500. The X3L is mostly a leap of faith and luck you'll get one that wasn't somehow abused along the way, or just quirky and glitchy without full disclosure from the seller. I got mine off ebay and I'm still waiting on it. I'm confident I scored a good used one. But it was about a month of patience, waiting for the right pod from the right seller. So there's that part of the equasion too when you go X3L. But I went that way because it seems to me the 500 needs to mature a bit more before it's glitch free. Firmware updates could take care of things this year...or not. I don't have that kind of time. I need a pod I can depend upon on stage now, now at the mercy of a firmware update at some point. So I'm ok with an upgrade from my XTL to an X3L in the mean time. There are upgrades in sounds and features to be had and appreciated between those two pods. That's fine for now. If by the end of the year the 500 becomes solid to my satisfaction, I'll upgrade to it. I'm used to waiting out new gear becoming the best it can be from firmware updates. I just don't like buying it until that happens. But that's me. It could be for all the talk here, I'm missing out on the benefit a 500 can give me right now. I get that, but the choice remained the same. And there's also a thing I have about not having to deal with allocating processing resources too. I don't want to deal with that, frankly. The X3L, you have what you have. It may not be as flexible, but you know where you stand. Maybe there's too much control for me, in the end. I'd like to see the 500's processing power not hit any walls when it matures. All things I'm keeping an eye on. Until then, an X3L will be under my foot on stage. That, or an XTL. I like backups!

Best of luck choosing. Hope I didn't confuse anything for you. Everyones mileage will vary. And don't get me wrong, I look forward to getting a 500 along the way too

Dan



Re: POD X3 Live Vs POD HD 500
by greghall on 2011-01-27 02:05:09
And is HD500 come like XTL where you have to download some junkies effects and stuff or it came with the whole complete package? Thank you so much.

The HD500 comes with 16 amps and 100 effects. There are no add on packs available and Line 6 have not revealled any plans to provide them.

I have both the HD500 and an X3L (and I've just sold my XTL). Of the 3, the HD is by far the better sound wise and is more flexible in terms of signal chain. I use the HD500 for all live work nowdays and have not experienced any problems / glitches. It does take a bit of tweaking to get the sounds you like and getting used to at first, but that is the same with all the units.

The XTL / X3L are both very good too, and I do miss some of the amp models from the X3L. But the HD500 sounds superb and for me has the edge.

However, if you want something to use for vocals, bass or acoustic guitar as well, the X3L is probably a better choice.

Hope that helps.



Re: POD X3 Live Vs POD HD 500
by bjgoldberg on 2011-01-27 03:57:50

I have owned POD XT, X3, and HD500.   I've sold the XT and X3. POD HD 500 has a far better sound than the other PODs.



Re: POD X3 Live Vs POD HD 500
by aliengtr on 2011-08-18 18:05:01

I think the pod xt live is as good as the hd 500 if not better, I have played and redorded wih both and the diffferences are minor. the hd 500 feels a bit smoother to play .dont listen to these idiots who say the hd 500 is light years better sounding than the pod xtlive.its just false.I would not give up my pod xtlive for an hd 500 but might add an hd 500 for  some stuff.they are that close sound wise especially modeling wise though the f/x are a bit better in hd500. but the hd500 is not $500 better than the pod xt live imo



Re: POD X3 Live Vs POD HD 500
by garethjag10 on 2012-02-26 03:16:03

I agree with you with regard to the XTL & HD500, i have used a XTL for a few years, and was happy, but then i read all these reports and reviews and thought that i was missing out on something?  I purchased a HD500! sounded okay after tons of tweeking; however i found so many bad points; i use a vulome pedal  on my sounds; most of the sounds so not have volume control, it is a potch altering this! and the sound of the patch changes; i never had a problem like this with the XTL!! i also found that the frequency control was actually more limited, because it trys to be more authentic, the frequency spectrum is low to mid, it does give more authenticity, but i found that when using live i had trouble cutting a guitar solo through!! also because of the low frequencies i had trouble with low level feedback, loads of unwanted fretboard noize; this is really bad when you are playing through a PA which i am! i cannoy understand previous comments saying it is good through a PA?  I should imagine it would be authentick through an Amp, but i find it very diffcult to play though a PA; i have gone back to using my XTL! another thing is the sustain of the tones are short; and i cannot get the kind of sounds that i get on my XTL, you may say that the sounds may be better on the HD500?  But i expected the HD500 to be able to provide these sounds!!  The worst thing is the sound does not sound as solid as the XTL! it ether has too much echo, or it sounds a bit hollow; not happy with HD500!! these previous reviews must not be people who play live or they are connected to Line 6.



Re: POD X3 Live Vs POD HD 500
by meambobbo on 2012-02-26 09:38:30

i'd like to point out to new users seeing this thread, that many of the comments from above are in relation to old firmware, especially a lot of the bugs.

I am not affiliated with Line 6 and do my fair share of dogging them, but I don't understand how anyone can compare the XT/X3 to the HD.  The HD sounds WAY better, especially when it comes to the cab/mic sims.  When you take those away the units sound closer.

However the X3/XT do not allow power amp model tweaking.  Nor does it allow you to place multiple effects in the chain, or place them exactly where you want in the chain.  Although the EQ effect in the X3/XT is more powerful than pretty much all the HD's EQ effects, you can use multiple of the HD's EQ's and thus have more flexibility.

The Xt/X3 is easier to dial in - that's the one thing I think the X3/Xt does better.

Here's a demo I made comparing the units.  Note that I didn't spend a whole whole lot of time dialing in any of the 3 patches used.  I could have gotten the HD to sound much better, whereas I couldn't get the XT/X3 to sound much better.  I tried to EQ them to be similar, but there's obviously still a lot of difference in tone.  And I wasn't comparing Treadplate to Treadplate - I compared Treadplate in the HD to 5150/Treadplate and 5150 in the X3.

http://soundcloud.com/meambobbo/x3vshd



Re: POD X3 Live Vs POD HD 500
by m6255 on 2012-03-18 08:48:39

I'm on this form as well because I have been a line 6 user since the first bean and I was going to jump right up to the HD 500 Rack . I love the arguements " my pod is better tyhan your pod! lol! I am sure that the pod HD ultimatly will sound better than the older pods. I have had a Flextone, I had both a Vetta 1 and 2 and both combo and head. I had a pod, pod 2.0, pod XTL, pod X3L and now I have a Pod X3 Pro. The recording capabilities of the Pod X3 Pro are outstanding. Also. I play both guitar, bass, keys and Roland drums. I have used the X3 for all with great joy. I have never been 100% satisfied live with the guitar tones as far as compairing it to a Mesa Boggie tube amp. That is what I am looking for in the HD 500 with out having to play loud to do that. BUT I also play bass live and their are some bass presets that are unreplaceable! The Subdub for one and Advisory bass. How low and clean can you go. I habve made a patch for my Variax guitars that is like a Les Paul Bass. Played through the above, then through my Goliath 3 cabinets and QSC 1850. You would have a hard time wondering where the bass player was. (that patch needs clean lows and the highs cut) So can someone tell me why they just didnt take the much superior recording unit the X3 pro and just update the guitar! The computer interface is superior! the output selections are superior! If they would just switch out the guitar section, the unit would be untouchable. NOW I really cant unload my X3, I am not rich but want to try the guiitar tones. This mkes me a little angry but I'll live. If you are into any kind of home studio recording you know what I am talking about. Just the quality of the sound card plus as a VST plugin  I get 8 channels controlable through Cakewalk Sonar! I think you would pay more for just this quality computer interface. (some people call them sound cards). So for now, I will not be able to trade up as I have always done. I have to wait until I can afford another pod ! Great idea line 6! For you!



Re: POD X3 Live Vs POD HD 500
by m6255 on 2012-03-18 08:51:10

Oh and don't forget the acoustic guitar and vocal pre amps! I cant even downsize (I don't think) to the bean X3 because it does not have near the in and out control.



Re: POD X3 Live Vs POD HD 500
by silverhead on 2012-03-18 10:03:29

You're right - the Pod HD series was designed primarily with the live performance in mind, not the studio. The amp and FX modeling is far superior to the X3, but if you only want a studio interface with good plugin options as well as broad support for vocals and bass, then the X3 is probably a better choice (for now, at least).

Of course, for live play the Pod HD blows the X3 away. That's the primary  target market.



Re: POD X3 Live Vs POD HD 500
by garethjag10 on 2012-03-23 11:44:39

Hi

I purchased a Line 6 HD500 a few months ago; I am a professional musician and can state that it is the worst Line 6 product I have yet to purchase! I also have a Line 6 XT Live which is better, I also have a Line 6 Valve combo which is great! I have most Line 6 products and have always found them to be more than satisfactory, but this product is terrible; when I am playing a slow solo, if I hold a note for about 5 seconds the sound starts to crumble rather than sustain, I found this particularly bad and has it has affected my playing because I then try to express the solo without a long sustain; I have downloaded several hundred sounds from the site and there has been little improvement! I have adjusted the inputs and the outputs without any change to the sounds; when I read reviews stating that the sounds are more detailed, I find this to be madness, I find the sounds to be very bland and without great detail! I am in the process of looking for an alternative unit to use, I feel that I have tried to use this unit, but have now decided it is just a bad unit, and if you read many customer reviews on various sites you shall see the same comments! the clean sounds are okay without being great, however the distorted sounds are very poor.  Never buy a line 6 Multi effects again.

Another few bad points: a considerable amount of the sounds have to be adjusted for you to be able to use the volume pedal!  the volume on these sounds are vastly different, I use a Line 6 Variax and a Gibson Les Paul Gold Top, I play through a 5000Watt Nexo PA Rig, so I am giving the HD500 a great chance to prove itself.

Gareth



Re: POD X3 Live Vs POD HD 500
by johnpicton on 2012-03-23 12:02:06

I don't usually make comments like this (wishing to give people the benefit of the doubt) but I have looked at this message and a few things bother me. You say that you use a variety of Line6 products, Pod XT and Variax but you have onlt been a registered user since the end of 2011?

I have looked at all of your posts (a total of 4 so didn't take much looking) and every single one of them is to make a detrimental comment about Line6 products. If you genuinely have issues with things such as sustain why haven't you asked any questions about it? This is an extremely helpful forum and you would get help with the issues you are having if you asked.

The problems you describe don't reflect my experience, that dosent meant that you aren't having problems but you haven't asked for any solutions so I have to question your motivations........

Please give me evidence that I am worong because I like to think the best of people. But from what I have looked at you say you have problems but you havent activly sought out any solutions....



Re: POD X3 Live Vs POD HD 500
by myrz on 2012-03-25 21:15:00

lol....you got busted!



Re: POD X3 Live Vs POD HD 500
by rmdnet on 2012-05-07 07:23:29

Wow . What a lot of opinions.  I do not have a HD 500 but do have 2 Pods X3 Live's.  I also have the HD100 MKII Bogner head and Line 6 Stack.  I moved back to Pod X3 as it was so damn lick to just bring that wo some gigs.  Very large venues I bring both and folks say the sound is better that most folks who just bring amps.   There have been a lot of folks who like to tweak with the newest technology but when it comes to live shows I found the Pod went well with my equipment.  here are some spots were we used ONLY a pod.  Jem and Schecter in videos

Indoors

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvFN5zaeFUc

OutDoors

class="jive-link-external-small" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNy08aXLLlA" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNy08aXLLlA

Whatdid you end up buying ?



Re: POD X3 Live Vs POD HD 500
by 26soundview on 2013-03-03 06:49:40

Regarding this: the HD500 cannot record a dry signal whilst you play processed

I may be missing something, but I use the S/PDIF out on the HD 500  to send the clean unprocessed guitar signal to my sound card--I then set the S/PDIF input in Pro Tools as the "In" for a track--it records the clean signal just fine--you can use another track to record the processed sound from the HD 500--whilst keeping a copy of the unprocessed signal.

Be sure you use the Setup utility on the HD 500 to set your S/PDIF out to "Dry Inputs"--if you don't the processed signal is sent to the S/DIF output




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