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Question regarding POD X3 DI recording.
by 6_6_6_1_syn on 2011-05-03 09:06:33

I am trying to record through new software, using the POD X3 as my dry input/monitor.

Guitar>cable>pod x3>USB in>amp modeling vst>out>pod x3>headphones

(i've had great experiences with the pod by the way, just always like collecting different sounds)

Problem is, I can't figure out how to mute the realtime playback that comes through the x3 when playing guitar. I hear a loud dry tone over my through-put tone. I wish to only hear the tone coming from the PC mix.

If there is an easier way to accomplish this, let me know please. I use the x3 as my sound card because I do not have a high quality sound card otherwise.


Appreciate the help!



Re: Question regarding POD X3 DI recording.
by silverhead on 2011-05-03 09:22:47

Usually this symptom means that you have the Monitoring feature in your DAW activated. You should turn it off, meaning you will be using only the X3 to monitor your sound, not both the X3 and its echo-back from your DAW.



Re: Question regarding POD X3 DI recording.
by 6_6_6_1_syn on 2011-05-03 09:31:25

I think you misunderstood my question, my problem actually requires that solution in reverse. I need to disable the original guitar tone coming through the pod, so that I can only hear the tone through the software. I do not want to hear the dry tone coming from the pod, i only want the pod as an input and output.

Thanks!



Re: Question regarding POD X3 DI recording.
by silverhead on 2011-05-03 09:41:53

Sorry for my misunderstanding.

Try engaging the X3 Tuner in Mute mode. I believe this will still send the incoming signal via usb to your DAW but the X3 will not route it to the X3 outputs. Note: The X3 tuner only responds to the Tone 1 input.



Re: Question regarding POD X3 DI recording.
by silverhead on 2011-05-03 09:51:26

I'm not really sure what you're trying to accomplish. Typically, when using the X3 with a DAW and re-amping using a vst plugin (e.g., Pod Farm), you record the dry signal to your DAW while monitoring the wet signal using the X3, then apply the DAW plugin to the recorded dry-signal track on playback. No need to be playing your guitar at this point.

You seem to be wanting to apply the plugin during recording and hence you want to monitor the DAW plugin sound rather than the X3 sound. Is that correct? If so, why do you prefer to do it that way rather than the former method?



Re: Question regarding POD X3 DI recording.
by 6_6_6_1_syn on 2011-05-03 10:05:39

I'm just generally unsure, when using digital modeling, if the dynamic in playing is going to sound the way I'd like it to after re-amping.

You mean that I would have a 'recording' tone stored in the X3, and then apply the VST strictly post-processing?

It would just be nice to record using something similar to the tone I'd like to hear on the final product, though I suppose it's not necessary.



Re: Question regarding POD X3 DI recording.
by silverhead on 2011-05-03 11:37:44

Here's what I (and I think many others) do to use the X3's processing and recording capabilities as well as take advantage of plugin processing. For purposes of this illustration I will talk about using the Pod Farm plugin, because it uses the same tone files as the X3 - meaning you can obtain the same sounds whether you are using the X3 for live play or Pod Farm for post-processing.

1) Select a patch on the X3 that has the basic tone that you want to start with for your guitar part. Monitor your tone/playing using the X3 (headphones or studio monitors). You are not committing to any specific tone/sound at this point - you just want something representative as a starting point.

2) Connect your X3 to your computer via usb. Start your DAW. Turn OFF monitoring in your DAW. Make sure your DAW is configured to use the X3 and its ASIO driver as the audio input/output device.

3) Arm a track for recording. Select a dry (unprocessed) signal from the X3 as your track's record input source. This will probably appear as option 7 (Tone 1 Dry) or 8 (Tone 2 Dry) in the Record Input selection menu for the track in your DAW.

4) Start recording. You will hear your wet, processed signal directly through the X3 Outputs. Meanwhile, your DAW is recording the dry signal. The record level will probably seem low - this is OK. While recording the track do not activate any plugin on the track in your DAW.

5) When recording is complete, put your guitar away. Use Gearbox with the X3 to transfer the tone file for the patch that you just recorded to your computer. Store this tone file into the folder (or any subfolder) on your computer where Pod Farm is installed.

6) Select the track you just recorded for playback. Activate Pod Farm for this track. Navigate the Pod Farm tone library (computer folders) and select the tone/patch that you just transferred form the X3. Start playback. Since the X3 is also your DAW's output device you will again hear the  sound through the X3 outputs. You will hear the exact same tone that you heard while recording, but this time the tone is being produced on your computer by the Pod Farm plugin rather than by the X3 itself.

7) Continue to develop your song, recording other guitar parts in the same manner as above. Tweak your tones further in Pod Farm any time you like as your song develops. Since Pod Farm is using the dry track as its input, you have full flexibility in tweaking your tone - you can develop it completely from scratch again if you want. No need to re-perfom that perfect take just because you want a different tone.

8) When your song is complete, export the final tone file(s) from Pod Farm to your computer folder. Then use Gearbox to transfer the tone to your X3 so that you can perform the song live with the final tone/sound of your recording.

Let me know if there's anything that's not clear, or if this method doesn't seem to work for you. We may be able to tune the approach to suit your needs. Depending on the processing power of your computer you will eventually reach a limit in how many instances of Pod Farm you can run simultaneously during playback. There are strategies to deal with this.

EDIT: Of course you can adapt this method to use any plugin, but if you use anything but Pod Farm (even if you use Pod Farm 2) you will not have full (2-way) file transfer capability with the tone files.



Re: Question regarding POD X3 DI recording.
by 6_6_6_1_syn on 2011-05-03 13:56:09

Though this does not technically present a solution to my original issue, I have tried this method and have a new respect for the capabilites of digital recording. I am very happy with this method, and I can easily get the desired result in any case.

Thank you, I appreciate the help!



Re: Question regarding POD X3 DI recording.
by silverhead on 2011-05-03 14:28:05

Great! Happy to help. Have fun recording.



Re: Question regarding POD X3 DI recording.
by gozoki on 2012-11-12 05:59:32

What you originally wanted to do is possible. If you open up GearBox there is a  monitor knob that you can adjust to hear the volume of the raw tone coming from the x3. If you turn it down you will only hear the return signal from your DAW. I don't know if this is adjustable from the x3 itself or why this feature seems so well hidden and no one seems to know about it. Like you I was looking for this feature and spent a lot of time trying to find it. Hope this helps someone in the future.




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