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Why did Line 6 stop producing the Vetta amps?
by macvoodoo on 2011-11-23 05:36:36

Was it the price?

The quality?

They wanted to promote another replacement?

Are they worth buying used or is another option better?



Re: Why did Line 6 stop producing the Vetta amps?
by BigChas52 on 2011-11-23 06:08:57

Best guess is that they were no longer selling enough of them to profitably keep manufacturing them.  No manufacturer stops selling something that they are making a good profit with.  Lots of folks swore by the Vetta amps.

Line 6 has several quality replacements, including the DT50, DT25, and Spider Valve lines, which all have tube based power sections designed by Reinhold Bogner.

As far as being worth buying a used one, only you can answer that question.  Find one, play through it, and decide if it meets your needs and your budget.



Re: Why did Line 6 stop producing the Vetta amps?
by TheRealZap on 2011-11-23 06:10:45

i think it simply didn't sell as well as they hoped....

could have been price or complexity etc...

if you get a good deal used wouldn't be bad....

but it is a risk since parts are hard to come by...

many parts are no longer stocked by line6 or made anywhere else...

they are great amps though.



RE: Why did Line 6 stop producing the Vetta amps?
by Line6david on 2011-11-23 08:26:02

Hi,

The Vetta and Vetta II were replaced with different product lines. Now, the HD series and DT50.

A used Vetta might be a good investment if well cared for.

Thanks,

David

Line 6 Customer Support



Re: Why did Line 6 stop producing the Vetta amps?
by MerlinFL on 2011-11-23 09:20:47

My humble opinion is that the Vetta was and is the best amp ever made by Line 6.  I now have three Vetta combos for the reasons stated previously, no longer able to get parts.  I also do have all of the new gear such as POD HD500, POD HD PRO, and a pair of DT50s.  Amazing stuff, but even though the new gear is tube, and the new gear has some very cool M series FX, I still prefer my Vetta as the leader of my pyramid of Line 6 guitar gear.  The Vetta plus the new gear sound terrific together.

Vetta's stopped being made because they did not sell.  The reason I feel they did not sell was because the amp can do nearly anything.  This posd two big problems in the retail world. 1) NO ONE, and I mean non one at ANY retail store or online store would ever recommend a Vetta amp because they were never taught how the amp works and all the tonal possiblities is has.  I think Line 6 dropped the ball big time in this regard.  2) The price of $2,000.00 with the longboard FBV pedalboard is a whole lot of money to ask someone to pay when no one at the retail level can demonstrate how the amp works.

Also the typical retail customer wants to plug in and play.  The typical retail customer does not wish to "learn" or "think" about anything.  I went from using exclusively Marshall amps which are about as simple as you can get to a Vetta back in 2003.  It took me two months learning the amp in my bedroom before I brought it out to a gig instead of my Marshalls.  Then for me, adding the Variax 700 electric guitar was another piece to the puzzle that gave me all the tones, I could ever want.  I play mostly in cover bands and this feature is invaluable if you wish to sound as close to the original songs you are covering.

Lastly - the HD line of POD pedalboards are no simple items to master either because of the complexity of the functionality.  No one at the retail level that I have spoken to in the past year knows how the POD HD line of Line 6 products work either, BUT these are priced at $500.00 for the HD500 and a little more for the POD PRO.  The DT series amps are the really expensive part, BUT they can be very simple to plug and play if you never bother to dig deep.  Even the retail people don't have to know anything other than it has three switches and two channels.  And if you're into a bit of irony...the price of the POD HD500 and a DT50 2x12 is about $2,000.00.

As said several times previously, try one and decide for yourself.  You at least know what you're getting into starting with an amp that may break and not be able to be repaired in the near future.  That is a shame, but that is business.

Take care,

Neal



Re: Why did Line 6 stop producing the Vetta amps?
by gabrieleciullo on 2011-11-25 01:26:16

Merlin is right ...

Line 6 has made ​​the most big mistake!!!

Vetta is the most complete and versatile amp.

You can get any sound, tube or not!

I have  Marshall jvm 410 h,Ada mp1, Marshall Jmp1, Digitech 2120, Blackstar Ht Dual and other...nothing!!!

Now when I play in tour I use only my Vetta combo!!!

And if I want to add other Fx (Whammy, Harmonizer,Sequencer ecc...) I put, in Digital or Analog stereo send/return, anything that I want ( Line m13, NI Guitar Rig or TC G-Force).

If Line 6 still wants my consent and admiration should continue the software update and support

or rebuild a new Vetta 3.

Gabriele Ciullo



Re: Why did Line 6 stop producing the Vetta amps?
by MerlinFL on 2011-11-25 20:05:26

gabrieleciullo wrote:

Merlin is right ...

Line 6 has made ​​the most big mistake!!!

Vetta is the most complete and versatile amp.

You can get any sound, tube or not!

I have  Marshall jvm 410 h,Ada mp1, Marshall Jmp1, Digitech 2120, Blackstar Ht Dual and other...nothing!!!

Now when I play in tour I use only my Vetta combo!!!

And if I want to add other Fx (Whammy, Harmonizer,Sequencer ecc...) I put, in Digital or Analog stereo send/return, anything that I want ( Line m13, NI Guitar Rig or TC G-Force).

If Line 6 still wants my consent and admiration should continue the software update and support

or rebuild a new Vetta 3.

Gabriele Ciullo

I think it would be a terrific thing for Line 6 to resurrect the Vetta line by making a version with the Bogner Tube power section like on the DT series amps.  Software updates would be great if the CPU power in the Vetta was sufficient to handle them. Or perhaps take your suggestion in creating a Vetta III which could have all the new CPU power plus the M series level FX, the DT series tube power section with all the switchable topologies, and then have a pedalboard similar to the current longboard, but with some of the features the Shortboard MkII has with it's own USB port and one suggestion I have would be to put a VDI interface plug on any pedalboard for those of us who have Variax guitars can plug in at the point we're most likely playing instead of running the cable from the amp to the guitar.

Perhaps some "happy medium" in combining the 80+ amps/cabs from the Vetta with all the controls on the amp as it was designed.  As well as the ability to ADD any POD HD pedalboard WITH REMOTE POWER supplied to those pedalboards instead of ONLY having the sideways power cord with the very easily broken barrel connector that are currently on all POD HD Pedalboards.  Why not use the RJ-45 connection method as proven road-worthy and very stable for ALL power supply units (also very easy to replace if damaged) when a conventional 3-prong A/C plug is not feasible like what is on the POD HD PRO rack unit??

Or how about something like this from Line 6 since Juice Goose ceased production years ago??  Here's a link showing the unit and it's cable specs.  It also has regular A/C outlets as well, but no lights in the front.

http://juicegoose.com/discontinued/12%20Paq%20Lit.PDF

I have one of these units and it is terrific for keyboard players with tons of external power supplies, to any musician that has to use several external power supplies.  Why not simply have a cable color coded for each unit that requires power with just a nice flat RJ-45 connector always plugged into your rack ready to go and so simple to pack up??



Take care,

Neal



Re: Why did Line 6 stop producing the Vetta amps?
by MerlinFL on 2011-11-25 20:18:35

gabrieleciullo wrote:


Now when I play in tour I use only my Vetta combo!!!

And if I want to add other Fx (Whammy, Harmonizer,Sequencer ecc...)

Gabriel, I hope you see this post...Your Vetta I or  Vetta II with the 2.50 software DOES HAVE a Whammy Pedal effect that works exactly like the Digitech Whammy Pedal.  I've used it for covering "Killing In The Name Of" by Rage Against The Machine and some free-form soloing fun.  You can also use it for harmonies if you reduce the heel/toe pitch sweep to nothing more than +7 or -6  It's real tricky getting the harmonies just right while playing, but it can be done if you spend enough time practicing and don't mind putting most of your weight on one foot.  If I can do it, I figure anyone can since I'm an old and broken down rocker guy. 

The Harmonizer is very simple block harmonies, but they are there as well if you can use simple type harmonies. 

No sequencer on any of the older or newer POD HD units that I'm aware of.  Looper = yes...sequencer = no.  And this is on the POD HD line of pedalboards as well as many other L6 FX products plus other companies have their own versions of loopers/samplers/sequencers.

All the best,

Neal



Re: Why did Line 6 stop producing the Vetta amps?
by gabrieleciullo on 2011-11-26 04:26:30

Hi Merlin,

I know very well the Bender fx of Vetta 2.5, it's good but it has a small problem...It's not a polyphonic pitch shifter like original Digitech Whammy 4 pedal ( that I have).

It's play well on individual notes, but on chords it's unstable.

The M series Fx Pitch Glide (that I use on M13) is an evolution of Bender and it's wonderful, the traking is fluid on solos and chords.

I think it's better that the original Whammy 4 (about the last Whammy DT I have not tried).

You have a Pod Hd 500, it's the same !

I take Harmonizer from M13 (smart Harmony) or G-force and sequencer from Cubase or NI Guitar Rig.

With a firmware update , I could do all the thing that I listed only with Vetta just !!!



Re: Why did Line 6 stop producing the Vetta amps?
by jkasper on 2011-12-10 19:32:18

They are right when it comes to salesman not knowing the product... my guitar center didn't have a vatta. it came from texas and dropped at my house..This was years ago!! Not a clue on how it worked... I went asking about a dt50 a few months ago..... I was told they wern't going to stock them... The spyder valve I tried out had blow tubes and couldn't even try it out.... I was told by them that line 6 was junk and to buy a new mesa!!!! Really???? I love my vetta but really wanted that true tube sound... It is a shame that these store don't know what they are talking about... I work retail at a gmc/buick/nissan store... We have to know the product inside and out..maybe they should have these salesman know the product they are selling..



Re: Why did Line 6 stop producing the Vetta amps?
by MerlinFL on 2011-12-10 20:28:13

jkasper wrote:

They are right when it comes to salesman not knowing the product... my guitar center didn't have a vatta. it came from texas and dropped at my house..This was years ago!! Not a clue on how it worked... I went asking about a dt50 a few months ago..... I was told they wern't going to stock them... The spyder valve I tried out had blow tubes and couldn't even try it out.... I was told by them that line 6 was junk and to buy a new mesa!!!! Really???? I love my vetta but really wanted that true tube sound... It is a shame that these store don't know what they are talking about... I work retail at a gmc/buick/nissan store... We have to know the product inside and out..maybe they should have these salesman know the product they are selling..

Any chance you read my posting about Line 6 NOT doing in store demos, NOT making certain that retails chain stores (at the very least) have INFORMED salespeople, or even better in my eyes, would be a Kiosk for ALL the Line 6 gear manned by fully trained Line 6 people.  I suggested this over 3 years ago and it was shot down because it would cost too much.  L6 might be saving pennies, but they are losing dollars when it comes to anything beyond the complexity of the Spider series of amps.

Take care,

Neal

PS - I give my OWN Master classes at a few local venues in my area for free since Line 6 won't sponsor me doing this type of thing.  And the same thing happens every single time - All ANYONE who plays guitar know anything about is the original Bean or one of the dozen Spider amp models.  No clue about what is out and especially what each piece can do by itself and in combination with other Line 6 gear.  Truly TRAGIC in my opinion!!



Re: Why did Line 6 stop producing the Vetta amps?
by brue58ski on 2011-12-13 19:05:44

I agree with the continued software updates.  It tweaks me a little that they abandoned the Vetta with a few well documented problems still unresolved.  Also waaaaaaayyyyyyy back about two forum versions ago, when the Pod XT had just come out, I had suggested allowing the analog input in front and the Variax input in the back to be able to be  routed to one of the two amps only and be on at the same time.  Essentially creating two rigs.  I also suggested being able to put the FX loop before the amps so I could use my own effects before the amps, as well as being able to assign the left or right FX return to either one or both amps.  Both of these suggestions were implemented (and expanded on) in the Pod X3 Live (hey, it was my idea!!,  Where's my check? ).  That was great and I have an X3 but I would love for those ideas to be implemented in the Vetta as well.  It may be a hardware issue as to why that never happened but if it could happen, I wish they would spend a little research money and a few extra hours to thank the people like me, who have essentially been there the whole time, buying just about every product that's come.  My list.

Vetta

FBV Deluxe pedal board

Pod XT

XT Live

Bass XT Live

2 Variax 500's

Variax Bass (you guys still owe us Workbench support.  It was a selling point)

X3 Live

Pocket Pod

UX2

Guitar port subscription

All model packs offered

Just call me Line 6 boy.  Since my Vetta (II with software upgrade) and X3 Live do me just fine for now, I am holding off for the next incarnation of the HD 500.  Hoping for more memory and an internal power switch.

So Whad'ya say Line 6.  I believe some of your amps are the best selling in the world.  Ya got a little extra money and time to give us Line 6, Vetta owning, boys a bone?  I would even consider paying for it, like the model packs.  But not for very much and I won't consider it for very long.  Only because you did bail on the Vetta before it was completely fixed.  I'm pretty sure I know what the answer is and will be, but given this thread, I thought I'd try.



Re: Why did Line 6 stop producing the Vetta amps?
by MerlinFL on 2011-12-13 20:30:23

Hi brue58ski - Line 6 boy, huh?  How's this insane Line 6 guitar rig for ya?

Vetta on top of a pair od DT50 1x12s, TonePort UX8 sitting there next to everything as my DAW interface for recording, HD500 pedal on top of other gear, but it’s controlling the POD X3 PRO, as well as the POD HD PRO, which is controlling the DT50s via L6 LinkVariax model 700 in Trans Red, another in Trans Amber off to the side as a spare for my walk behind stand, and a JTV 59US prototype from being a Beta tester.  Other gear is for playing bass, synth, vocals, and sometimes more than one at once in my cover bands.  And I don’t have a roadie, but I do have a Chiropracter!!  LOL

I've tried posting a pic here, but this site stopped letting me add photos for some reason, or is it a WIndows problem??

Anyway - gearheads out there besides us?

Take care,

Neal



Re: Why did Line 6 stop producing the Vetta amps?
by brue58ski on 2011-12-23 02:05:20

Ya definitely got me beat dude.  I'm afraid I've got to b a little careful because I kept telling my wife after each purchase "NOW I have everything I need".  Ithink I'll wait another year before getting into the HD stuff.  Am saving for a Tyler Variax.  THEN I'll have everything I need.



Re: Why did Line 6 stop producing the Vetta amps?
by theplayer on 2012-04-05 01:45:57

Hi,

I'm from Holland. I have a Vetta 1 (with Vetta 2.5 software) and I'm puzzled where to find this Whammy fx. Where is it  hidden? I want to use like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaIE8yHM1BU

Could you explain how to set which parameters to get something like this sound for RATM's Killing in the name? I need it for a gig.

Thanks!

Ray



Re: Why did Line 6 stop producing the Vetta amps?
by DickFoster on 2012-04-05 10:23:04

If you have a foot controller and a Vetta then look for the pedal reassigments and use one of the pitch bend FX.

It's not hidden but you do have to look.

If you haven't already, I suggest giving the manual a good read. It's not a bad read and can even be entertaining as well as informative. If you have A Vetta and an FBV it would be well worth your time as you will get a lot more out of the amp.



Re: Why did Line 6 stop producing the Vetta amps?
by MerlinFL on 2012-04-05 12:51:35

What DickFoster wrote is correct, but...

You can also use the Line 6 EDIT program that works with your Vetta to create this patch and save it to your amp.  I've personally found using the EDIT program is mostly easier to create and alter patches than doing it on the amp itself.

BUT - as the prior post said, you MUST have the FBV longboard to get these FX to work on command with your feet and the touch of a button, or one of the two controller foot pedals.

Take care,

Neal



Re: Why did Line 6 stop producing the Vetta amps?
by mikegross69 on 2012-04-13 17:31:16

Hi, i have a good condition used vetta 1 and extention 2 x12 plus fbv floorboard and linex submersable case.  i'd let that stuff go for around 600 amp and pedal board. 100 for extention cab, 50 for amp case and 400 for variax 500.

i use my amp for acoustic only these days.  I have all new electronics, however the LED fades and i get a variable hum on occasion.  I think its the internal power supply or the watch battery needs to be changed.  I'm still trying to get an answer.  Otherwise my unit is perfect condition.

Mike from Wisconsin



Re: Why did Line 6 stop producing the Vetta amps?
by DickFoster on 2012-04-14 09:38:20

Longboard or shortboard i.e. two pedals or one?



Re: Why did Line 6 stop producing the Vetta amps?
by bluecollarirons on 2012-04-16 22:25:57

hopw the hell can u replace the veda with a dt 50? that makes no sense. the two best amps ever made by line 6 the vetta 2 head and the hd147. i own an hd147. that head through my mesa cab is the BEST tone for metal period. i cant see how anything line 6 makes now can replace either of those.



Re: Why did Line 6 stop producing the Vetta amps?
by MerlinFL on 2012-04-17 09:49:39

I'm a Vetta lover as well and was very upset when I found out back in 2007 that the Vetta was no longer going to be produced and no further updates would be written.

You've got to look at it this way  - not the Vetta against the DT amp, but the Vetta in two parts...The POD HD500 or POD HD PRO plus the DT 50/25 amps.  The DT amps are all tube with great functionalities, but you need the POD HD units to get all of those functions.

So Line 6 looks at this as the Vetta being replaced by the combination of the POD HD500 or the POD HD PRO units as the preamp section, plus the DT50/25 amps (which you 'll need two for stereo like the Vetta).  That is how Line 6 looks at their new gear.

I use all of that gear plus the Vetta.  The Vetta can still do things these latest units can't yet.

So if you're going to be upset - at least now you know what you being upset about correctly.

Take care,

Neal



Re: Why did Line 6 stop producing the Vetta amps?
by inglishboy on 2012-04-26 07:30:32

I just heard from a line6 rep that they are going to start making the vetta again. 

I told the rep that a small vetta combo (1-12 or 2-12) would be the thing I would be looking for.  I want an amp that will take the variax in, and control it, but I dont want a half stack, and I dont want to take my podxt everywhere. 



Re: Why did Line 6 stop producing the Vetta amps?
by DickFoster on 2012-04-26 10:36:03

The Vetta Combo was exactly that,  150 watt 2 X 12, 2 X 75 watt. It is really nice and there is nothing wrong with the amp that a little continual software work wouldn't cure. As everyone knows, software is never done.

However, they may be a bit late to the punch getting the digial IO for it out to connect it to the Variax though. I'm am no longer concernded with it as I  have my eye on the Roland setup now which goes a bit beyond just guitar modeling but that much is also included. However, I can still use my Vetta with it. 



Re: Why did Line 6 stop producing the Vetta amps?
by MerlinFL on 2012-04-26 11:48:46

Here's a photo of my rig with my 2003 Vetta sitting on top.  When in 2006 I got my first Variax guitar, I was able to easily purchase the VDI interface for my Vetta.  It's a very easy install as well since Line 6 planned for it in advance and there is a blank panel with just one ribbon cable that needs to be reroutedinto the VDI panel, then plugged back in.

Since 2007 when Line 6 "officially" stopped producing Vetta II amps and spent nearly all their amplifier development time with Bogner upgrading the Spider amp line, while also developing the POD HD/DT line of products were designed.  While a completely different team took over the design of the JTV guitar line from the original Variax designers a Line 6. 

This last sentence is just a guess...but considering nothing new was done from 2005 when the first Variax guitars were introduced until the latest 1.81 upgrade which included (3) 6-string & (2) 12-string modified acoustic guitar models from just that one bank.  Oh, I should mention (all of which are just my opinion) that the modeling of all guitars ranges from greatly improved to slightly improved with the original 1.70 software that came with the first batch of JTV line of guitars. 

I felt the most improved were the acoustic models in 1.71, and least improved were the Rickenbacker electric 12-string guitar models.  I'm sure that this will be addressed in some future JTV update.  Right now, resolving the alternate tuning problems with the new acoustic guitar models is most likely the top priority for the techs working on this aspect of the JTV guitar modeling.

It's nearly impossible to find any VDI interfaces for a Vetta I.  I would suggest buying a Vetta II in any form if you want the VDI interface.  All Vetta II models come with that installed and many are available in good to excellent condition used from GC or eBay.  I bought two additonal used Vetta I combos as I prefer the look over the V-II.  They will all serve as parts since all parts currently in circulation or still available from Line 6 are nearly depleted and will not be produced again.

If what you've heard is true about newer version of the Vetta amps being produced in the future...I'll look forward to that day with great anticipation.  However, if you have the time, the desire, and the finances (or payment plans in my case) - I suggest combining the two as I've done with the older Vax guitars and the new JTV guitars. 

I've also added a pair of Roland GR-55 units since they are truly excellent units, relatively small price tag for their capabilities, and the GK-3 pick-ups for both my older Variax guitars connect to one GR-55 in Guitar Mode and one GR-55 in Bass Mode for my 6-string Tobias bass.

I honestly can't think of anything more I could use beyond this collection of gear.  I know there are other modeling units available, but I've not had any opportunity to do more than watch demo videos and read what others think.  I started my exclusive Line 6 guitar use such a long time ago, and after all this time and financial investment - I can't see any reason to switch to a completely new guitar system.  Most importantly, I'm very pleased with all I was able to compile over the years allowing me to play nearly any sound I wish as well as any style of music I'm capable of.

I also just posted a 2-part demo of the Line 6 Dream Rig in various acoustic modes to respond to a request asked of me in the Dream Rig forum.  Heres a photo of my rig, plus a link to my demo/instructional videos if any here would wish to check out just one aspect of the new Line 6 gear in action without any additional gear.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gpJHrGdkEU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLc1FToEkwk

And the photo....

Line 6 rig_2012.jpg

I hope this gives food for thought.

Take care,

Neal



Re: Why did Line 6 stop producing the Vetta amps?
by roblof on 2012-09-17 09:16:36

When looking inside the dt-amps, the pcb's are labeled vetta :-))



Re: Why did Line 6 stop producing the Vetta amps?
by MerlinFL on 2012-09-17 12:53:05

No surpise there...

Also - a good old saying..."Waste not - Want not".

Perhaps it might indicate what could be or might have been possible or planned for the Vetta before those who developed it and updated it ceased working @ Line 6 many years ago?




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