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DT25 - Very low gain on voicing 2 (Full Volume)
by Titi1506 on 2012-02-15 16:50:52

When I use my DT25 in LVM with voicing II, I can get a fair amount of gain for my lead tones. If I switch to full volume with the same settings, my sound suddenly becomes clean and, whatever I do, I can't get more than a very light crunch tone even with the master cranked up, drive to the max and channel volume to the max…

Does anybody have the same issue?

Thanks in advance

Bertrand



Re: DT25 - Very low gain on voicing 2 (Full Volume)
by strathead_1 on 2012-02-16 10:56:37

I have noticed the same thing on my DT25 combo.

I put it down to my stratocaster (although it does have Fender Hot Noiseless in it).

I need an overdrive pedal to get what I consider a nice Marshall sound.

What guitar do you use Bertrand?

Regards,

Strathead



Re: DT25 - Very low gain on voicing 2 (Full Volume)
by Titi1506 on 2012-02-16 11:44:11

Hi Strathead,

I have many Les Pauls but all with Throbak P.A.F. style pickups (not really hot).

An overdrive pedal would be a solution but I'd really like to be able to get a nice Marshall lead tone without it (not really hi gain JCM style but at least JTM45 or JMP).

I've choosen the DT25 in order to have a small transportable tube gig anp… I also have a POD HD500 to add a little bit gain but I'm more a Guitar/Amp guy. Of course I could use the voicing IV but I find it too modern…

Normaly, in a vintage configuration like the voing II the distortion should come from the power section but it doesn't seem to work with the HD25…



Re: DT25 - Very low gain on voicing 2 (Full Volume)
by sopachrga on 2012-02-16 19:09:27

Have you tried switching the Pentode/triode mode?

The triode mode might offer a bit more gain.



Re: DT25 - Very low gain on voicing 2 (Full Volume)
by Titi1506 on 2012-02-16 23:06:24

Hi Sopachrga,

I've tried the triode mode as well… But it stills having less gain than my JTM45 at 2 o'clock…



Re: DT25 - Very low gain on voicing 2 (Full Volume)
by sopachrga on 2012-02-17 02:17:29

I just tried with my DT50 head. I get pretty much the same gain in standard mode as I do in LVM.

I guess the DT50 and DT25 have different power amp valves, so I'm not sure how useful that test is though.



Re: DT25 - Very low gain on voicing 2 (Full Volume)
by Titi1506 on 2012-02-17 02:21:47

Could you maybe post some samples… I would appreciate it a lot! I have to find out if my amp has a problem or if it's the wrong choice for my needs.

Kind regards,

Bertrand



Re: DT25 - Very low gain on voicing 2 (Full Volume)
by sopachrga on 2012-02-17 03:06:11

I can try tomorrow. It's currently 12:05AM here in New Zealand. So my neighbours probably wouldn't be too impressed.



Re: DT25 - Very low gain on voicing 2 (Full Volume)
by Titi1506 on 2012-02-17 03:11:23

LOL!

Thanks a lot! it's very kind from you!



Re: DT25 - Very low gain on voicing 2 (Full Volume)
by sopachrga on 2012-02-17 15:46:12

Check this here: http://soundcloud.com/mindless-and-mesmerized/dt-mode-2-flat-eq">http://soundcloud.com/mindless-and-mesmerized/dt-mode-2-flat-eq">http://soundcloud.com/mindless-and-mesmerized/dt-mode-2-flat-eq

It's just a few seconds of a couple of chords in both Full volume mode and LVM. (Full vol first, LVM second)

Ignore the playing it is just done so you could hear the gain levels.

The settings were the same in both modes.

They both sounded about the same amount of gain, alothough the LVM has far less mids and bottom end.

I used a 1981 Les Paul Custom.

Settings:

Drive = 3 o'clock

Bass = 12 o'clock

Mid = 2 o'clock

Treble = 1 o'clock

Presence = 2 o'clock

Reverb = only just above zero

Chan Volume = FULL

Master volume = 4 o'clock

I was using a Marshall power brake to keep the volume down.

Cheers



Re: DT25 - Very low gain on voicing 2 (Full Volume)
by Titi1506 on 2012-02-20 02:46:44

Thanks a lot!

You seems to get the same amount of gain in Full Volume Mode and LVM… It's really not the case for me…

I start to believe that my amp could have a problem! I wish somebody could to the same test with a DT25.



Re: DT25 - Very low gain on voicing 2 (Full Volume)
by juliancarosi on 2013-04-09 16:29:42

I had exactly the same problem. I’ve got an American Strat and a Tele (with a bridge humbucker) and just could not get the dirty sound that you are supposed to get on the Line 6 amps.

See my thread here: http://uk.line6.com/support/thread/148053


Now that my DT25 has been fixed, I can even get a dirty sound on the clean amp settings by just turning up the Drive knob.  



Re: DT25 - Very low gain on voicing 2 (Full Volume)
by thegwoe on 2013-04-09 19:59:21

Alas my DT50 has the problem where voicing 1 and 3 have completely dissapeared while 2 & 4 are fine.  Does anyone have a schematic for this amp they could send me?

I live in the wilderness and while I have a great liscensed tech nearby who can fix anything, the freight to the nearest Line6 service center will kill me on costs.  I'm starting to wish I'd never bought this amp.... 



Re: DT25 - Very low gain on voicing 2 (Full Volume)
by adamhartley on 2013-04-15 23:08:11

Master volume on the DT25 needs to be up at least around 12 o'clock to get the natural OD you'd expect from models like the plexi and park. Below about 11 or 10 o'clock I could never get the DT25 sounding like a rocking amp in normal mode. In LVM, there's modelling going on in the power amp section.

A lot to do with how the power amp actually works in normal or low volume mode. Doesn't affect the high gain models as much, but for classic rock tones with switch2, they mimic the amps they are designed on in that they are cleanish sounding at low volume or when guitar's volume pot rolled back. I've tested this a lot at gigs and at home and I'm sure its no amp fault, as much as design.




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