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Dual Output question
by solizone on 2012-04-17 11:43:00

Hi,

If I'm just using one amp with a single XLR out to the mixer, Do I pan the amp all the way to the left or center it on the Pod's own mixer?

Also, if I want to use dual amps but only have one XLR cable out to the mixer, could I just center both amps? or do I pan them both all the way to the left? or something else? or is this not recommended? any thoughts/advice is very much appreciated! Thank you!



Re: Dual Output question
by jstock1 on 2012-04-17 13:38:44

Hello here are a couple of links to discussions previously about your question

http://line6.com/support/message/257744#257744

http://line6.com/support/message/203301#203301

I reckon these answer what you need to know. The second link is mostly dealing with my particular set up which is mono out the left XLR.



Re: Dual Output question
by meambobbo on 2012-04-17 13:54:58

The XLR outputs are not summed to mono when you only plug in one.  Only the 1/4" outs are.

If you are using any kind of stereo effect in one of the two channels before the mixer but after your amp, be sure you are aware of what the pan controls on the mixer are actually doing.  they are not pushing both the left and right signals in that channel to the left or right signal in the mixer output.  It's more like the left/right signals have indedpendent volume knobs.  Full left on the mixer means only that channel's left signal is passed through and the right is muted.

If you are only using mono FX in the channels (or none), you can set the pan to both full left or both full right and use that XLR output.  You're gonna have a mono output, and dual amps can sometimes sound nasty mixed to the same channel.  but it depends on the amps you're using and the tone you want.

for a single amp, it shouldn't matter whether you pan the mixer to center or to the side you want.  you're only going to get the side of the output that you plug the XLR into - so be aware of that if you're using any stereo effects.

more on routing:

http://foobazaar.com/podhd/toneGuide/setup#routing">http://foobazaar.com/podhd/toneGuide/setup#routing">http://foobazaar.com/podhd/toneGuide/setup#routing

might also be interested in this:

http://foobazaar.com/podhd/toneGuide/odds#output">http://foobazaar.com/podhd/toneGuide/odds#output">http://foobazaar.com/podhd/toneGuide/odds#output



Re: Dual Output question
by jstock1 on 2012-04-17 15:07:46

Agreed +1 meambobbo

"for a single amp, it shouldn't matter whether you pan the mixer to center or to the side you want."



Re: Dual Output question
by tdollaway on 2012-04-17 18:23:22

This is an issue I've been wondering about, myself. I'm currently running dual amp tones (thanks to Meambobbo). However, I'm panning both signal paths to center and running to our mixing board from the left/mono XLR only. It seems to sound fine (great, in fact) but maybe I'm still missing out on something.

The other question this brings up is this: If I do end up running two XLRs from the HD500 to two seperate channels on the mixing board that is running a mono P.A.system, is that the same as panning to center on the HD500 and running to a single channel on the mixing board? Or is it better practice to pan hard left and hard right and run to two seperate channels on the mixing board?

So many question...



Re: Dual Output question
by solizone on 2012-04-18 12:14:36

Im curious to this as well



Re: Dual Output question
by meambobbo on 2012-04-18 16:32:31

the XLR's don't sum to mono.  So you're only going to get the left or right half of the signal if you use one.

the 1/4" outs do sum to mono if you only plug one in.  so then the difference would be whether you're summing to mono at the mixer or in the Pod.  Both are likely analog for the mix-down.  Given that a mixer is designed to mix-down, I would bet it would work better.  Plus, the longer the length of cable you're running, the better it will sound being balanced rather than unbalanced.  So XLR's would be better than 1/4".  Use 2 XLR's rather than 1 1/4" unbalanced.



Re: Dual Output question
by tdollaway on 2012-04-19 04:21:25

I will try that tomorrow night, as we are playing an afterparty to HELLYEAH and Clutch. Thanks!



Re: Dual Output question
by meambobbo on 2012-04-19 07:23:38

and now i'm totally jelly



Re: Dual Output question
by solizone on 2012-04-19 21:18:42

Thanks meambobbo! I have read you're guide and it is amazing! thanks for putting in so much work! Although I just want to clarify because I am pretty noobish at this... Is this okay?

                   |------Amp------Cab-----|                         |------LEFT XLR out only----------Mixer------PA

                  |                              |                         |
Guitar---------|                              |---Mixer----ouput--|

                  |                              |                         |

                   |------Amp-------Cab----|                         |--------RIGHT XLR ( no connection out)

SO both amps and cabs would be heard through the PA? Thanks!



Re: Dual Output question
by meambobbo on 2012-04-20 08:47:09

        |---Amp---Cab---|                   |--LEFT XLR out only---Mixer---PA

        |               |                   |
Guitar--|               |---Mixer----ouput--|

        |               |                   |

        |---Amp----Cab--|                   |--RIGHT XLR ( no connection out)

If you pan both channels to center or left at the pod mixer, that will work.



Re: Dual Output question
by solizone on 2012-04-20 15:34:07

You are simply amazing man. Thanks so much for all the advices again! can't thank you enough!



Re: Dual Output question
by tdollaway on 2012-04-22 16:15:34

Tried panning hard left and right and running two seperate xlr's to the board this weekend. Much cleaner signal!! A/Bing the old patch vs the new one definitely sold me!!  Not to mention, having two seperate channels on the board gave me a little more control over my FOH tone. Thanks again!




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