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DT 2.0!
by TheRealZap on 2012-10-30 13:11:24

Turn your DT25 or DT50 into a boutique tube amp factory with the free DT50/DT25 v2.0 firmware—available now!http://class="js-display-url">line6.com/dtv2update/

just announced from twitter!



Re: DT 2.0!
by TheRealZap on 2012-10-30 13:13:48

It's The Awesome.

DT50 Flash Memory v2.0 RELEASE NOTES


DT50 Flash Memory v2.0 is a FREE firmware update that is highly recommended for all DT50 users.


What’s New?

  • 12ax7 Normal/Boost Amp Default Reversed –FIXED

  • Configure each Voicing independently per channel with*:
    • Any 1 of 30 HD Preamps/Tonestacks
    • Any 1 of 4 Negative Feedback Loop configurations
    • 12ax7 Normal or Boost
    • Feedback Capacitor Tight or Loose
    • Phase Inverter B+ Voltage High or Low
    • Any 1 of 17 Cabinets
    • Any 1 of 12 Reverbs with unique Decay, Pre-Delay, and Tone settings
  • Configure XLR Direct Output Mic Emulation

  • Reverb “spillover” between Channel A and B


FAQ For more information about DT50, the FAQ can be found here.


Users Guide The latest technical documentation for the DT50 can be found here.


*For more information on configuring each Voicing, please refer to the DT50 MIDI Implementation Guide


FIRMWARE INSTALLATION INSTRUCTIONS


Required:

  • A MIDI interface that connects to your computer via USB (download the current Driver for it if you don't have it installed)

  • MIDI cables (or a MIDI interface that includes integrated MIDI cables)

  • Latest version of the Line 6 Monkey application installed. Download Line 6 Monkey here


Procedure:

  • Connect your MIDI interface to your computer via USB cable

  • Connect the DT50 MIDI Output to your MIDI interface Input, and connect the DT50 MIDI Input to your MIDI interface Output

  • Launch the Line 6 Monkey with the DT50 connected via the MIDI interface and powered on

  • Select the Flash Memory line item and click the Update Selection button to install the flash memory update into the DT50

  • The device will receive the firmware data and the unit will be updated to the latest Firmware


Re: DT 2.0!
by BigChas52 on 2012-10-30 13:17:51

Sweet!  Now where did I leave those MIIDI cables!? 



Re: DT 2.0!
by TheRealZap on 2012-10-30 13:20:26

You really want to get a line6 midi mobilizer II

with the touchosc app for iOS it makes it crazy easy and awesome to change things around...

details at the update link:

line6.com/dtv2update/

... of course you still have to do the update first



Re: DT 2.0!
by ReverendLove on 2012-10-30 13:42:57

Absolutely sick
I got my DT25 on saturday and now this is what I never expected.



Re: DT 2.0!
by ReverendLove on 2012-10-30 13:44:11

Oh! And for all the people on Windoze. Get MidiOX.



Re: DT 2.0!
by TheRealZap on 2012-10-30 13:45:25

no need... updates with monkey once you get the cables connected....



Re: DT 2.0!
by ReverendLove on 2012-10-30 13:47:47

Yes updates will go. But controlling the "hidden" parameters?



Re: DT 2.0!
by TheRealZap on 2012-10-30 13:50:11

true...

the midi mobilizer + touchosc makes life much much easier....

i did expirement with midi-ox and it works... but pushing a touchscreen button is way easier!

would love to find a similar windows app though...



Re: DT 2.0!
by ReverendLove on 2012-10-30 13:53:27

It's not that hard once you understood the principles.
But I wonder if Line6 would do a TouchOSC for Android.



Re: DT 2.0!
by BigChas52 on 2012-10-30 13:55:23

So, if I do not change any of the newly exposed MIDI parameters, firmware 2.0 will behave (and sound) pretty much like firmware 1.0?

BTW, it would be cool if L6 would release an "Edit" app for the DT series, or maybe incorporate it into the HDxxx Edit apps.  Just sayin'



Re: DT 2.0!
by TheRealZap on 2012-10-30 13:55:44

as far as i know there isn't an android midi interface, and probably not an android touchosc app either... but i'll happily be wrong.



Re: DT 2.0!
by TheRealZap on 2012-10-30 13:57:52

BigChas52 wrote:

So, if I do not change any of the newly exposed MIDI parameters, firmware 2.0 will behave (and sound) pretty much like firmware 1.0?

BTW, it would be cool if L6 would release an "Edit" app for the DT series, or maybe incorporate it into the HDxxx Edit apps.  Just sayin'

yeah... more or less the same with a few corrections.

but it's awesome standalone to change topo 1-4 to be whatever you want standalone (and seperate selections for channel B as well!)....

the soldano is killer.



Re: DT 2.0!
by ReverendLove on 2012-10-30 14:00:38

There is Touchdaw for Android.
http://www.humatic.de/htools/touchdaw/

">http://www.humatic.de/htools/touchdaw/">http://www.humatic.de/htools/touchdaw/



Re: DT 2.0!
by TheRealZap on 2012-10-30 14:03:52

but there's still no hardware to directly connect midi to the phone? unless i'm missing something....



Re: DT 2.0!
by ReverendLove on 2012-10-30 14:11:05

Yes, you're right. But you can control the MIDI ports on your windoze. So - MidiOX is probably more simple.



Re: DT 2.0!
by TheRealZap on 2012-10-30 14:13:11

I'm sure that people will share config files that can be loaded into midi-ox too...

the settings are "sticky" so unless you reset it to factory your changes keep...

so not like you "need" constant control.



Re: DT 2.0!
by ReverendLove on 2012-10-30 14:18:19

No problems here. I am used to configurate devices via MIDI.
But I would like a tiny Toy for my android. - I keenly hate things starting with a little i followed by a capital.



Re: DT 2.0!
by sopachrga on 2012-10-30 14:27:57

Has anyone tried installing the update yet? How long did it take?



Re: DT 2.0!
by TheRealZap on 2012-10-30 14:29:53

the update doesn't take very long, it's a small file.



Re: DT 2.0!
by ReverendLove on 2012-10-30 14:32:23

Yes. No problem with the update. Used a Cakewalk UM-3G as interface.



Re: DT 2.0!
by sopachrga on 2012-10-30 14:38:55

Awesome, will try it tonight once I get home from work.



Re: DT 2.0!
by RPascarella on 2012-10-30 14:41:50

Cool!  Wish my amp was back from the shop!  Still waiting for a replacement power transformer from Line 6.

Anyone know what this means from the release notes?

- Configure XLR Direct Output Mic Emulation

Also, just to be sure, if I use my HD500 into my DT50, these features probably don't get me anything more than before, right?  They are geared towards standalone amp use without an HD?



Re: DT 2.0!
by TheRealZap on 2012-10-30 14:43:35

RPascarella wrote:

Cool!  Wish my amp was back from the shop!  Still waiting for a replacement power transformer from Line 6.

Anyone know what this means from the release notes?

- Configure XLR Direct Output Mic Emulation

Also, just to be sure, if I use my HD500 into my DT50, these features probably don't get me anything more than before, right?  They are geared towards standalone amp use without an HD?

yes geared more to standalone use...

the configure xlr thing, means that you can use different mic emulations on the output now.



Re: DT 2.0!
by RPascarella on 2012-10-30 15:07:51

I was hoping you'd say that!  But I'm still confused.  If my HD uses PRE amp models, it doesn't control cab and mic modeling, right?  So to use this new XLR config feature, sounds like I would need one of the following:

1) HD with FULL models, or

2) HD with PRE models and a MIDI controller/software, or

3) MIDI controller/software only

Does this sound right?

And would it be correct to say that, prior to this update, the XLR mic emulation was already controllable when using the HD with FULL models (that is, #1 above)?



Re: DT 2.0!
by ReverendLove on 2012-10-30 15:26:24

It is like it was before with the HD. These setups only work with the HD and are temporary on the DT.
If you disconnect L6 Link DT goes back to its own configuration. This "permanent" confoguration for the DT alone can be changed by CC changes via a MIDI connection.
That makes sense with the MIC configuration too because the speaker and the microphone are simulations on the XLR out and for mixing purposes.
Hope I am right, but it only makes sense this way.



Re: DT 2.0!
by TheRealZap on 2012-10-30 15:57:33

yeah... none of this new stuff affects the HD integration.. other than the internal corrections... 



Re: DT 2.0!
by greghall on 2012-10-31 02:46:18

other than the internal corrections...

Very mysterious

Does this mean that when I select a pre-amp model on the HD, there is now some internal adjustment in the DT power amp settings (other than the topology settings)?



Re: DT 2.0!
by WardMan on 2012-10-31 02:55:36

Wow, this is great news. I bought my DT-25 last Friday and was happy with the standard 4 models and had just started to look into the MIDI switching. I've got a Behringer FCB1010 MIDI footswitch that has been gathering dust under my desk - it's now all cleaned up. I'll update the firmware tonight and start experimenting with the MIDI. There's some great models now available that I'm familiar with on my X3L.



Re: DT 2.0!
by greghall on 2012-10-31 03:24:16

As the HD500 is also a MIDI Controller, I guess you could use the L6 and the MIDI interface in paralellel to control the DT settings, e.g. if using a no amp patch or switching the amp model off to use channel B in the DT?

Does this work?



Re: DT 2.0!
by sedgey on 2012-10-31 04:05:28

Could someone explain how this works with a POD HD500 specifically:

1. Does this mean now that all selected amp in the pod HD500 can now be heard as a new voicing in the DT25?

2. Are we still supposed to use the preamp models for patches over Line 6 Link?

3. Does selecting a particular reverb effect in an HD500 patch now set the reverb type in the DT25

4. Will these other settings like:

  • Any 1 of 4 Negative Feedback Loop configurations
  • 12ax7 Normal or Boost
  • Feedback Capacitor Tight or Loose
  • Phase Inverter B+ Voltage High or Low
  • Any 1 of 17 Cabinets

Be configurable via the POD HD500?


Don't get me wrong I love the flexibility that the dream rig affords me, but calling it a dream rig when you have to buy a new usb midi interface to update the firmware on the amp and potentially not being able control these new parameters via the HD500 makes it seem somewhat less dreamy and by dreamy I mean integrated!

Oh and I think it's about time Line 6 publishes a definitive manual on how to set this dream rig up once and for all, instead of relying on the benevolence of users/customers to help newbies get to a point where they are happy with the sound it produces and access to the patches like the ones on the Andertons youtube videos.



Re: DT 2.0!
by TheRealZap on 2012-10-31 05:12:35

there always was.... but the corrections pertain to certain amp models where the boost was sent as off and should have been on.. i think that's in the notes....

there's always other details etc that aren't published... but more than likely all of them have to do with power amp configuration and not pre-amp....



Re: DT 2.0!
by TheRealZap on 2012-10-31 05:20:20

sedgey wrote:

Could someone explain how this works with a POD HD500 specifically:

1. Does this mean now that all selected amp in the pod HD500 can now be heard as a new voicing in the DT25?

2. Are we still supposed to use the preamp models for patches over Line 6 Link?

3. Does selecting a particular reverb effect in an HD500 patch now set the reverb type in the DT25

4. Will these other settings like:

  • Any 1 of 4 Negative Feedback Loop configurations
  • 12ax7 Normal or Boost
  • Feedback Capacitor Tight or Loose
  • Phase Inverter B+ Voltage High or Low
  • Any 1 of 17 Cabinets

Be configurable via the POD HD500?


Don't get me wrong I love the flexibility that the dream rig affords me, but calling it a dream rig when you have to buy a new usb midi interface to update the firmware on the amp and potentially not being able control these new parameters via the HD500 makes it seem somewhat less dreamy and by dreamy I mean integrated!

Oh and I think it's about time Line 6 publishes a definitive manual on how to set this dream rig up once and for all, instead of relying on the benevolence of users/customers to help newbies get to a point where they are happy with the sound it produces and access to the patches like the ones on the Andertons youtube videos.

1. you could always do this... with a pod HD... now you can reprogram those voisings for standalone access with the amp itself.

2. yes

3. no, but you can use midi to setup the reverb choice for the topologies that will be accessible in standalone mode.

4. no, those settings are for use with the amp "standalone" to build your own new amp models within the DT amp

it's not a dream rig update... nor does it change anything particular with HD integration....

it's an update for the standalone amp...

if you're happy with the sound now... you're certainly free to not update...

there really isn't much in the update for dream rig users... it's an amazing update for standalone amp users.

having said that... there's nothing to lose by updating either... don't overthink it... besides you can also rollback the update if you don't like it....

but the update is pretty seemless, so i doubt you'd notice much difference, without reconfiguring the amp with midi and using it standalone.



Re: DT 2.0!
by sedgey on 2012-10-31 06:00:11

Thanks "The Real Zap" appreciate the quick answers.

I'mpissed because I played a PA only gig last week, sad to say even after ALOT of tweaking the POD HD500 just didn't sound great through the PA. The annoying thing was my cheapy zoom G3 sounded great with almost zero tweaking. There's just such a huge difference in sound between using a POD HD500 through a PA, or with another amp and then with a DT25. I just wish that the POD HD500 was clever enough to configure itself better and get a decent tone faster based upon different situations. Then there would be less need to tweak it so much. The same applies to the effects in a patch too it could be smarter depending on the output mode.

I'd advocate a new output mode called DT which is specifically set up to manage the dream rig set up. Also, why on earth can't you control the master volume of a DT amp via the pod hd?

Finally, why not have a dream rig mode too which actually intelligently allows you to change the volume/tone/drive of the amp model via the variax guitar (done cleverly so that things like presence/mid/treble/bass change as the volume changes) .

All I'm saying is take better care of the people that invested in the whole rig. Don't get me wrong, it's great technology and unique in many ways.... but it could be truly fantastic. For standalone amp users sure it's a great update, but remember it's also yet another reason that dream rig investers didn't need to buy the whole rig to get all the tones.



Re: DT 2.0!
by Karl_Houseknecht on 2012-10-31 06:15:31

sedgey wrote:

Finally, why not have a dream rig mode too which actually intelligently allows you to change the volume/tone/drive of the amp model via the variax guitar (done cleverly so that things like presence/mid/treble/bass change as the volume changes) .

Can't you do that already by assigning knobs on the Variax to control parameters in the HD?



Re: DT 2.0!
by evilmikehoo on 2012-10-31 06:26:29

Also, from what I understand, there are other "things" included in this update that correct and/or enhance other "things" in the DT - "behind the scenes" stuff. Soooo.....it might be a good idea to update regardless. My "terminology" is just a way of communicating about "stuff" that I am still learning!   Now, if I can just figure out this MIDI stuff with my iphone - after I get this MIDI Mobilizer - I'm asking Santa!!!



Re: DT 2.0!
by TheRealZap on 2012-10-31 06:30:04

evilmikehoo wrote:

Now, if I can just figure out this MIDI stuff with my iphone - after I get this MIDI Mobilizer - I'm asking Santa!!!

not much to figure out... once you get the mobilizer, the touchosc app, and the templates from this site...

changing things become touch screen easy!



Re: DT 2.0!
by sedgey on 2012-10-31 06:39:12

Isn't that exactly the point, yes it can........ so why does it require you to watch a 20 minute video tutorial and an hours tweaking after that to get it working nicely (in a useable way). It's just really easy to say 'Dream Rig' and promote the shiznet out of it, but with the considerable resources available to line 6 why not make it truly integrated. Obviously being able to do just that is a selling point why not make it easily achievable?



Re: DT 2.0!
by ReverendLove on 2012-10-31 07:55:05

Don't know what you're talking about.
Plugged my JTV Variax in the HD and connected this with my DT25. It works seemlesly. I can control even every parameter with the volume and tone knob of my variax without looking any video. It is impressing how easy it's to configure regarding the complexity of the system.
Line 6 is not responsible for people getting overstrained by this.
Probably you should consider to get another system.



Re: DT 2.0!
by Colin2113 on 2012-10-31 11:24:00

I keep getting an error message like 80000A. Weird because I've updated the DT25 previously with the M-audio midi sport uno or whatever it's called. Can't seem to get this update working.....



Re: DT 2.0!
by TheRealZap on 2012-10-31 11:31:00

first thing i would do is make sure you are using the drivers direct from the m-audio site...

the windows drivers aren't reliable. you might also try swapping the in/out on the cables...

i'm sure you checked etc... but sometimes it's that simple.



Re: DT 2.0!
by evilmikehoo on 2012-10-31 11:32:01

Check that your MIDI IN and MIDI out settings are for the Uno and not windows. If I forget, I get that error. If I change 'em, it works. Not sure if that's the problem, but it worked for me.



Re: DT 2.0!
by evilmikehoo on 2012-10-31 11:33:21

Ooops! Sorry Zap! Ya beat me to it! 



Re: DT 2.0!
by TheRealZap on 2012-10-31 11:36:22

don't be sorry dude! rock on.... all help is appreciated.



Re: DT 2.0!
by sopachrga on 2012-10-31 11:40:34

Hmm, I tried the update last night, and it failed half way through.

Now the DT50 head won't power up properly. The lights just turn on but no relay noises,  it produces no sound and none of the switches respond......

After some testing, it appears my Uno my be faulty and intermittant, I'll go buy a new one today in the hope that I can force an update.

Any suggestions?

*I've already raised a support ticket too.



Re: DT 2.0!
by TheRealZap on 2012-10-31 11:43:02

try the factory reset... turn it off...pinch the topo and pentode switches together then power on.

hold until all the lights come on and release

not sure if it'll help... but worth a try



Re: DT 2.0!
by sopachrga on 2012-10-31 11:48:33

Thanks for the suggestion, I've already tried that with no success.



Re: DT 2.0!
by TheRealZap on 2012-10-31 12:23:02

A new interface will probably make the difference for you, keep us posted.



Re: DT 2.0!
by sopachrga on 2012-10-31 12:41:28

Yeah I really hope so!

Will find out and let you know in about 8 hours..... (Once I'm home from work)



Re: DT 2.0!
by WardMan on 2012-10-31 17:12:28

I had a similar problem upgrading my DT25. I plugged it into my MAudio 2496 midi port, upgraded Monkey and then turned the amp on. Monkey saw the amp ok. I went to upgrade the firmware via Monkey and part way through received a 80009000 error message. Researching this I found out it was to do with the MIDI connection.

At that stage I realised I had no sound from the amp. Factory reset didn't work either.

After a bit of messing around I plugged it back into Monkey, manually downloaded firmware 1.0 and reloaded this to the DT 25. That got the sound working ok. Interstingly, that upgrade went ok with no error message.

I then tried to upgrade from 1.0 to 2.0 and it worked fine.

Amp now has sound and is upgraded. Now I just need to get my head around implementing the new features via midi.



Re: DT 2.0!
by sopachrga on 2012-10-31 17:28:53

Awesome, I hope that will be the case for me too.

I've just bought a new Midi interface so will try it in a couple of hours.



Re: DT 2.0!
by sedgey on 2012-10-31 19:40:09

product tester much! now take that same patch you just magically created in seconds.... play it in a real band situation and see if it passes muster, now connect it it directly to a PA, change the output mode to direct and if it doesn't sound like a dentists drill or scratching a blackboard then obviously we don't own the same equipment. Find me a room full of musicians that will happily wait while you Sir Tweak Alot until your dream rig sounds right and I'll find you a flock of pig with wings.

To be fair, each of these items on their own are fantastic and are full of innovation, what is lacking is some common sense patches/settings and better documentation.



Re: DT 2.0!
by sopachrga on 2012-10-31 22:11:45

Arrgh! Still no good. I get the error code: 8000000A.

Anyone have other suggestions?



Re: DT 2.0!
by TheRealZap on 2012-11-01 03:50:39

did you download the file, and flash from the file?



Re: DT 2.0!
by sopachrga on 2012-11-01 03:57:30

Yes I have tried that.

Basically, as soon as the update starts, I see the Send light on the interface flash, but the return doesn't flash. Then almost instantly Monkey pops up a message with that error code.

It's almost like the firmware has been corrupted to the point where it's not listening to incoming midi anymore. Seems like I need to put it in to a 'diagnostic' mode or something like that.

Is there a master reset method or anything like that?



Re: DT 2.0!
by remodel_remake on 2012-11-01 04:00:28

Sorry to just jump in but I'm having the exact same issue & error, I've ordered a new M-audio in case thats the problem, though its worked before.

Can I ask how you download & flash from file, I'd be quite happy just to go back to firmware 1.0, right now I just want the amp back to life.

Cheers

Remodel_Remake



Re: DT 2.0!
by TheRealZap on 2012-11-01 04:04:35

follow the download link in the top right of the page, make the relevant selections, and the files are there.... in monkey you should see update from file when you select the firmware.



Re: DT 2.0!
by sopachrga on 2012-11-01 04:05:11

Go here: http://line6.com/software/

andselect your download, then in Monkey, where you have been pressing the "Update" button, you will see under it there is a "Update from File" button.

Hit that then browse to the file you downloaded.

Good luck, it didn't help for me.

*edit: opps seems Zap beat me to it

Re: DT 2.0!
by TheRealZap on 2012-11-01 04:05:22

can you try another computer? laptop or whatever? it's possible that something on your machine could be interfering.



Re: DT 2.0!
by sopachrga on 2012-11-01 04:06:30

I've tried this on multiple computers.

My iMac and a windows 7 laptop.



Re: DT 2.0!
by TheRealZap on 2012-11-01 04:14:04

i've flashed mine with the built in midi on a tascam us1800, the m-audio uno, and the cheapy ebay cable... no problems... none of which helps you...

but i'm at a loss at the moment... if i think of anything else i'll chime in... if support gets back to you keep us posted.



Re: DT 2.0!
by remodel_remake on 2012-11-01 05:36:17

Thanks folks, I'll give it a go when I'm home from work , fingers crossed but I got a bad feeling about this.



Re: DT 2.0!
by remodel_remake on 2012-11-01 08:49:00

no joy for me either sopachrga, still got a frozen amp and the error code , tried both new & old midisports.

Its just like the update drops out then the midi transfer lights go off.

So what now back to the dealer??



Re: DT 2.0!
by evilmikehoo on 2012-11-01 09:16:02

I really don't know if this will help, but I feel bad just sitting here and you guys are still having problems. I had the same problems, but kept trying. First, I had my midi plugs wrong in the amp. Then, only POD XL or whatever it was was only showing, but I clicked the midi connection button and got the DT50 recognized (make sure it's turned on, by the way). The default then is for the windows driver for one of the midi connections. Make sure both are for the m-audio. Also, I have 3 usb ports on my laptop. Only 1 of them worked for this - even tho all 3 work for other things. And finally, there was a time when I did nothing other than reboot the laptop and try again - and it worked! Hope something works for ya! Be persistent!



Re: DT 2.0!
by sopachrga on 2012-11-01 10:37:43

I'm currently on hold waiting to talk to Line 6 Support in the US.

So will let you know if I have any joy.



Re: DT 2.0!
by sopachrga on 2012-11-01 11:54:28

Awesome, talking with Line 6 phone support they managed to help me get the DT50 working and updated!!

remodel_remake, This is what they got me to do, after confirming I was running the newest drivers for my Midi interface, Latest Monkey and had the Midi connectors the right way around.

-Power the amp off

-Disconnect Midi cables from the amp (and all other cables, so you only have a speaker and power cable connected)

-Hold the Channel selector swicth down (towards channel B) then turn the main power switch on (Just leave it in standby)

-Continue holding the channel switch for a good six seconds. (Nothing will happen to indicate that you have held it long enough)

-Then release the channel switch

-Plug the midi cables back in

-Start Monkey back up

At this point monkey detected my amp and I was able to update in the normal way.

I hope this helps you some how!!

If not, call Line 6 support they were a big help.



Re: DT 2.0!
by TheRealZap on 2012-11-01 11:57:36

thanks for the update, will likely save some people alot of time and effort!



Re: DT 2.0!
by remodel_remake on 2012-11-02 03:51:01

That all sounds very promising, I'll give it a whirl when I get home today, I'm in the UK so I think we're all awake at different times, but its great getting help here.

I'm a long time line 6 user but rarely have needed support, to marks to you all for the help though thank you



Re: DT 2.0!
by sopachrga on 2012-11-02 03:57:13

Good luck, I hope it works for you!

I'm in New Zealand, so I was up at 5am this morning to call Line 6 support in the States.

I'm not looking forwards to seeing what a 45 minute phone call from here to USA is going to cost me when the bill comes in though.



Re: DT 2.0!
by remodel_remake on 2012-11-02 06:09:58

If it works for me I'll chip in on your phone bill



Re: DT 2.0!
by remodel_remake on 2012-11-02 10:21:34

Well no joy for me it didnt work, even brought a powerbook home from work to check if Mac OS worked any better for me rather than Windows 7, but still no luck.

Back to the shop I think & get the old spider out of the store room.

Thanks for all the help I've never had any trouble before & I'm quite computer "smart" so I've no idea whats happened with this one.



Re: DT 2.0!
by sopachrga on 2012-11-02 11:11:33

Oh, sorry to hear that. Hopefully it's something very simple and you get it back soon.

Good luck.



Re: DT 2.0!
by marssh1 on 2012-11-02 17:24:16

1.  Maybe someone has answered this, but with my "Dream Rig" will I still need to do the DT25 update via MIDI? 

2.  And if I have to use MIDI, can I use the midi out of the POD HD500 to do this?

Thanks!



Re: DT 2.0!
by TheRealZap on 2012-11-02 19:18:15

1. no

2. no



Re: DT 2.0!
by DropTheSun on 2012-11-03 15:21:22

I updated my DT50 212 using Roland UM ONE midi-to-usb interface. Everything went smooth. I just wanted you to know that this interface works too.

I have to say that, Line 6 has made it very difficult to make these new features to work for users. I mean, you almost have to be an insineer, to get these new amp models and setups to work. I really hope, that line 6 makes easy to use graphical interface for pc/mac/ios, so it ppl could really benefit for this update.

I have hd500, no problem here. But i would also like to use in amp models sometimes, if/when i need to. At this time, it's a pain and not intuitive at all.



Re: DT 2.0!
by marssh1 on 2012-11-04 14:58:50

Line 6 Monkey wouldn't see the DT25 via the POD HD500 Link connection.  I also couldn't make it work using a Presonus Project Fire Studio (Firewire).  Any ideas? Your reply seemed to indicate that it should work via USB and Link via HD500 but I can't see that anyone else made that work.  Thanks though.



Re: DT 2.0!
by TheRealZap on 2012-11-04 16:41:29

it won't work through the hd500 no how no way... it will work only through midi. and midi to usb is the most common...  no idea if it will work from a firewire/midi interface...

but i have successfully updated using 3 different usb/midi interfaces.



Re: DT 2.0!
by benbutterworth on 2012-11-05 00:48:18

If you have an iPad and already own the iPad camera connector kit you can use the USB interface with TouchOSC. It worked a treat for me.

My only beef with the update is the difference in volume between Fender Twin (I) and Park 75 (Marshall) (II)

It just means a tweak of set ups, still easier with the HD500 in tow!



Re: DT 2.0!
by spaceatl on 2012-11-05 07:12:03

+1...I have done my Flextone III XL, DT50 and DT25 using a USB UNO and an EMU 1820 pci interface...



Re: DT 2.0!
by TheRealZap on 2012-11-05 10:45:09

in case anyone wants to know what touchOSC is like:

touch-page.jpg

touch-page1.jpg



Re: DT 2.0!
by Lespaulidas on 2012-11-05 12:16:14

I used the touchOSC iPad app yesterday along with the Line 6 MIDI mobilizer II to play with the new amp tweaks possible.    OMG it works great and how awesome to be able to tweak my amp like that. 

Immediately I set up channel B to have the Soldano Crunch on Top III and Soldano Lead on IV.   Awesome.  Now if my HD500 fails for some reason, I can plug in direct to my DT50 and happily play through it (not that it wasn't great before).   Thanks Line 6!   What a great update!

The app touchOSC does make it extremely easy to tweak the amp quickly, no doubt about it!  I highly recommend it if you have iOS devices.

-PS  Got out of the home studio to play with my old band for a Jam over the weekend.  (First time with Soldano Models).  My bandmates and I was blown away at the sound of my JTV/HD500/DT50 tones.  Absolutely incredible!  So happy!



Re: DT 2.0!
by TheRealZap on 2012-11-05 14:14:15

for those trying to use MIDI-OX i hooked up my ipad/touchosc to the midi interface on my machine and here is what is sent to the amp when i press some buttons:

first i'm going to show the topo selection (CHANNEL A):

I

TIMESTAMP IN PORT STATUS DATA1 DATA2 CHAN NOTE EVENT              

000484A6   2  --     B0    7A    00    1  ---  CC: Local Cntrl      

000484F7   2  --     B0    7A    00    1  ---  CC: Local Cntrl      

II

TIMESTAMP IN PORT STATUS DATA1 DATA2 CHAN NOTE EVENT              

0005028E   2  --     B0    7A    01    1  ---  CC: Local Cntrl      

00050311   2  --     B0    7A    01    1  ---  CC: Local Cntrl      

III

TIMESTAMP IN PORT STATUS DATA1 DATA2 CHAN NOTE EVENT              

00054934   2  --     B0    7A    02    1  ---  CC: Local Cntrl      

00054985   2  --     B0    7A    02    1  ---  CC: Local Cntrl      

IV

TIMESTAMP IN PORT STATUS DATA1 DATA2 CHAN NOTE EVENT              

0005A130   2  --     B0    7A    03    1  ---  CC: Local Cntrl      

0005A182   2  --     B0    7A    03    1  ---  CC: Local Cntrl      

pretty sure if you type B0 7A 00 in the sysex command window and then select send sysex you would select topo I (the rest you can figure from the copy/paste above)

a few example amp selections:

SLO CLEAN (CHANNEL A, CURRENT TOPO)

TIMESTAMP IN PORT STATUS DATA1 DATA2 CHAN NOTE EVENT              

0008784C   2  --     B0    0B    1A    1  ---  CC: Expression       

000878A0   2  --     B0    0B    1A    1  ---  CC: Expression       

SLO CRUNCH

TIMESTAMP IN PORT STATUS DATA1 DATA2 CHAN NOTE EVENT              

00093CBD   2  --     B0    0B    1B    1  ---  CC: Expression       

00093D10   2  --     B0    0B    1B    1  ---  CC: Expression       

SLO OVERDRIVE

TIMESTAMP IN PORT STATUS DATA1 DATA2 CHAN NOTE EVENT              

0009981C   2  --     B0    0B    1C    1  ---  CC: Expression       

00099860   2  --     B0    0B    1C    1  ---  CC: Expression

These are the amp defaults...

anyway... if someone tries this and confirms that it works for them, I can do the other amps...

however, once you do this, and correlate it to the numbers shown in the midi guide, I think it will make sense....

or at least i hope so... because i'm far from a midi expert... just trying to help people get started.



Re: DT 2.0!
by spikey on 2012-11-05 15:15:56

this is nice work Zap. I havent tried this yet but looks like you took time and effort to share this info. +1



Re: DT 2.0!
by hollis1003 on 2012-11-06 04:40:35

Zap, I will have to again say that I appreciate your help, deeply, but that does not solve the problem.

I entered in B0 7A 00 and hit "send sysx" and the Topologies on my amp started clicking non-stop.

I understand entering a command like this, but it does not tell me how to change all the topologies (1-4) for channel A & B permanently.

Also, how do I keep it from continuing to send the midi signal infinitely like it was doing?



Re: DT 2.0!
by TheRealZap on 2012-11-06 04:52:08

anything you change is permanent.... (although you can restore to factory defaults)

select topo I (you can do this on the amp and without midi) and send: B0    0B    1A 

and you should have SLO CLEAN on I channel A

it should only send it once, you can always unplug the midi after you change the amps.



Re: DT 2.0!
by hollis1003 on 2012-11-06 06:06:43

That can't be right, Zap.  Solo Clean is value 26.  And channel A is value 11 or 12 (to use default settings).

So it should be something like B0 11 26.  The structure of the "command" seems critical too.  What is the B0 for, for example?



Re: DT 2.0!
by TheRealZap on 2012-11-06 06:10:42

I believe that the numbers are converted here to hexidecimal which is a base 16 numbering scheme rather than the straightforward 10 base scheme.

but those are the commands sent from touchosc to the DT50 that selects the amp correctly.



Re: DT 2.0!
by TheRealZap on 2012-11-06 06:15:09

just tried the conversion...

1A does indeed equal 26.

0B = 11

i used this page for conversion: http://www.mathsisfun.com/binary-decimal-hexadecimal-converter.html



Re: DT 2.0!
by hollis1003 on 2012-11-06 06:30:03

OMG... We have to convert the Chinese to Greek???????

I'm sorry but this is F'ing rediculous.  Sometimes sending the midi works and sometimes it doesn't.  My amp just keeps clicking away into infinity and the EQ knobs do not work now.

Line 6, you must remedy this or at least give us some guidance!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Re: DT 2.0!
by hollis1003 on 2012-11-06 06:48:40

B0 is 176.  What the heck is that for?

I still can't get the amp to stop clicking after I "Send Sysx"...............

FRUSTRATING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Re: DT 2.0!
by TheRealZap on 2012-11-06 06:55:06

B0    7A    00

B0    0B    1A

B0    7A    01

B0    0B    1B

B0    7A    02

B0    0B    1C

copy/pasting this and send sysex should give you (Channel A, Channel B would still have the default)
:

I = SLO clean

II= SLO crunch

III= SLO overdrive

even if line6 were to create an editor or something, it would be a long way off i would think....

I also don't suspect that they'll allocate personell to teaching midi either.

both would certainly be welcome... but i don't think they're realistic.

line6 didn't create midi, they are just enabling options that have existed since the birth of digital music gear...

it's clearly outdated... but it's a standard, that all music companies have used for years.

in my opinion... the update makes the DT50 much more than i ever thought it would be based on the amp itself...

i mean it doesn't even have usb, and doesn't look like it would have any sort of user accessible changes possible without mods.

if you use it with a pod, i wouldn't get too worked up about it...

if you want to use the amp standalone and you're into experimenting with the features...

touchosc, midi mobilizer, and an ios (3rd gen used is under 100$) device would be worth your while...

i know it's pricey... but the amp itself was @1000$ so it's not like it's crazy expensive in context.





Re: DT 2.0!
by TheRealZap on 2012-11-06 07:00:00

you can't hurt the amp by sending the same thing over and over...

you might just unhook all the midi stuff and try it out....

there could easily be something i'm missing....

no idea what B0 is for, probably the midi channel designation or some other utility choice...



Re: DT 2.0!
by hollis1003 on 2012-11-06 07:13:46

B0    7A    00 = 176 (No idea what this is for)  122 (voicing select)  0 (voicing I or 1)

So all I can see this does is select voicing #1 and that is all.

B0    0B    1A = 176 ????  11 (Channel A amp select) 26 (Solo 100 clean)

So this changes the amp to the Soldano Clean.  Can you do these at the same time?

Again, this makes no sense.  What order do these changes have to happena and how do we send multiple messages?



Re: DT 2.0!
by TheRealZap on 2012-11-06 07:24:23

you have to select the voicing you want to change, which is why the order matters...

you can manually select the voicing and send only the amp...

you can't send all the amps at once without having the midi commands to change the voicings...

or you'd just overwrite the selected voicing, 3 times....

you can put as many commands as you want in that sysex window at once...

touchosc sent all commands twice for some reason... as i said this wont hurt...

perhaps this is by design to slow down communication...

wouldn't hurt to replicate in midi-ox as well.



Re: DT 2.0!
by ChristophK on 2012-11-06 08:05:56

Hi guys,

Just to clarify all this a little bit, there seems to be a lack of understanding of the MIDI protocol here: From the info above it is clear, that the DT does not use SysEx data, but rather simple MIDI controllers. The format in hexadecimal is:

Bc nn vv

B is the status byte for sending a MIDI controller, c is the MIDI channel (hex values 0 - F meaning channel 1 - 16), nn is the controller number (hex values 00 - FF meaning numbers 0 - 127) and vv is the actual controller value.

So the only thing missing from Line 6 is a little documentation which MIDI controller number control which parameter on the DT and which value corresponds to which setting.



Re: DT 2.0!
by TheRealZap on 2012-11-06 08:10:06

all that is documented here: http://line6.com/dtv2update/

appreciatethe clarification, a few examples would surely be appreciated.



Re: DT 2.0!
by ChristophK on 2012-11-06 08:31:29

You are right, when you scroll down on the dtv2update page, you find "Download MIDI Implementation Guide". Here are two examples:

B0 0B 1E changes the HD Amp Select on DT channel A (MIDI controller number 11 which is 0B in hex) to the Line 6 Epic (controller value 30 which is 1E in hex).

B0 6E 0F changes the Cab Select on DT channel B (MIDI controller number 110 which is 6E in hex) to the 4x12 Tread V-30 (controller value 15 which is 0F in hex).



Re: DT 2.0!
by hollis1003 on 2012-11-06 08:33:25

Thank you, thank you, thank you, ZAP!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think I finally have it working even though it's a PITA.  I will need to print up an Excel document just to get everything done, but I think I'm at least on the right path.

The funny thing is you can't "see" the changes so you have to trust your ears that the reverb, cab selection, or whatever is correct.

Line 6, please come out with an easier way to Edit the DT series!



Re: DT 2.0!
by hollis1003 on 2012-11-06 08:35:08

Is there a setting in the Midi Ox that will only send the Midi communication once?



Re: DT 2.0!
by TheRealZap on 2012-11-06 08:35:21

do you know of a better utility or better set of instructions using midi-ox to send these commands?

i just specified the sysex command screen, because it's an easy to type in that window and send.

i for one certainly appreciate your input here, because you are making sense of it.



Re: DT 2.0!
by ChristophK on 2012-11-06 08:51:48

In MIDI-OX you can send controller events directly with the "Control Panel" in the menu "View". There are probably some other software options for Mac and PC that allow you to create your own MIDI user interface just like TouchOSC on iOS: http://www.giyf.com/midi+controller+software;-)



Re: DT 2.0!
by TheRealZap on 2012-11-06 08:54:22

believe me, we've been looking for software like that!!!

i've been looking for a long long time, even in the beta before release...

googled it plenty.



Re: DT 2.0!
by ChristophK on 2012-11-06 09:17:30

Most sequencers include customizable MIDI controller interfaces, for sure Cubase and Reaper. Also try VMC from http://www.soundcosoftware.comor NordBeat's MIDI Remoter from http://www.nordbeat.com/midi_remoter.htm.



Re: DT 2.0!
by sopachrga on 2012-11-06 10:45:21

I'm currently working on a Windows application to control my DT50 head as using TouchOSC is a pain.

I'll post a link to it here when it's ready, hopefully some of you here will be able to get some use out of it.



Re: DT 2.0!
by TheRealZap on 2012-11-06 10:46:47

sweet!



Re: DT 2.0!
by sopachrga on 2012-11-06 11:11:19

I've got all the midi calls out working to make all the settings, that was pretty simple.

Now I just need to layout a decent UI to make it useable and make it logical.

The only downside, I've found... Is there doesn't appear to be a way to query the amp for it's current settings. Which is a pain as I'd like to set the currently selected options on startup of the program.

If anyone has spotted something in the Docs that suggests you should be able to query the amp please let me know.



Re: DT 2.0!
by hollis1003 on 2012-11-06 11:12:29

I was able to do some basic Midi using Midi Ox:

Channel A

Amp

Topology

Reverb

Voicing I

Blackface Double Norm

I

Hall

Voicing II

Brit J-45 Bright

II

Hall

Voicing III

Divide 9/15

III

Hall

Voicing IV

Solo 100 Clean

I

Plate

Channel B




Voicing I

Solo 100 Crunch

I

Plate

Voicing II

Brit Plexi 100 Bright

II

Plate

Voicing III

Line 6 Elektrik

III

Plate

Voicing IV

Solo 100 Overdrive

I

Plate

Here are the Midi commands I used:

B0 7A 00

B0 0C 01

B0 4D 00

B0 25 6

B0 7A 01

B0 0C 0F

B0 4D 01

B0 25 06

B0 7A 02

B0 0C 0A

B0 4D 02

B0 25 06

B0 7A 03

B0 0C 1A

B0 4D 00

B0 25 03

B0 7A 04

B0 59 1B

B0 72 00

B0 25 03

B0 7A 05

B0 59 11

B0 72 01

B0 25 03

B0 7A 06

B0 59 18

B0 72 02

B0 25 03

B0 7A 07

B0 59 1C

B0 72 00

B0 25 03



Re: DT 2.0!
by TheRealZap on 2012-11-06 11:31:58

awesome! I'm glad you found a way to make it work for you.



Re: DT 2.0!
by Acker on 2012-11-06 12:42:28

Hi!

I'm currently using a pod hd 500 with a DT25 Head. I really like the sound coming out of the XLR Direct out of the DT25 head.

Will this sound change with the upgrade? I know, that I have more options to customize it afterwards, but what are the "default settings"?

Thx

Acker



Re: DT 2.0!
by TheRealZap on 2012-11-06 12:43:59

as long as you're using it with the HD, nothing will change, even if you do play with the customizations!



Re: DT 2.0!
by Acker on 2012-11-06 21:41:27

Hi again,

well I checked my HD500 patch again. I'm using the F-Balll Pre-Model and "No Cab".

What type of cabinet emulation is used on the DT25 output? This will not be affected by the update?

Thx

Acker



Re: DT 2.0!
by TheRealZap on 2012-11-07 03:37:47

the dt50 will do whatever your hd500 says to do.



Re: DT 2.0!
by Acker on 2012-11-07 04:29:58

But when I choose no Cabinet on my Pod HD 500, there is still a Cabinet Emulation going on on the XLR output of the DT25, right?

Sorry for beeing so stupid



Re: DT 2.0!
by TheRealZap on 2012-11-07 05:45:15

I don't think so, but i haven't used it like that to confirm... why not just go xlr out of the hd500 at that point?



Re: DT 2.0!
by greghall on 2012-11-07 07:04:04

Isn't the XLR trapped off the DT output transformer? The HD XLR sounds very different - especially when using pre-amp models.



Re: DT 2.0!
by TheRealZap on 2012-11-07 07:08:00

Never bothered comparing the 2 as i don't use it that way... but by all means whichever one sounds best.... I'm not aware of any specifics on this, as i assumed perhaps incorrectly, that it would work the same as other dream rig L6Link functions.



Re: DT 2.0!
by hollis1003 on 2012-11-07 08:48:48

I think this is something that Line 6 has again forgotten to mention/clarify/explain.

It was never said in the past what kind of processing was going on in the XLR "cab simulation" output of the DT.  What speakers?  What mic?  Does it change with each voicing?  What is happening when used with a POD HD?

My best guess is that whatever amps are programmed into the 4 voicing on channel A and B are the cab simulations used.  Just a hunch.

So, even though you might be using a Bogner pre-amp on the POD HD, if you are using voicing III on DT, because that is the Vox amp you will hear cab and mic simulation that are default for the Vox.  And, if you have changed the voicings on the DT via midi, then you would have those default cab/mics or whetever you programmed it for.

I also highly doubt we will get any explaination from Line 6.  I have to say that is very dissapointing.  It's very hard to just "trust your ears" at this stage because now you may be stuck in a place where you can't change things that sound horrible and you may not understand why they sound bad. 

I love that Line 6 gives so many options but they don't explain half of what the options are or how they work.  Please update your guides, Line 6.

I have seen recently that Boss had a live video feed in which they answer questions from users about their complicated effects processor.  Please Line 6 do something similar.  Give us just 2-4 hours with one designer or programmer so we can ask these questions we have been wanting answers to for years!!!!!!!!!!



Re: DT 2.0!
by TheRealZap on 2012-11-07 10:06:09

there was a default mic on the xlr, believe it was a 57 on, now via midi you can change that... but i'm unaware of any cab emulations that were defaulted, other than those that are set as default for the amp models, but i suspected (un-verified) that the no cab option disabled cab emulation output.



Re: DT 2.0!
by hollis1003 on 2012-11-07 11:16:33

Ah, Zap, that is the rub......

It can't work that way for this reason.  If you have on the POD the pre-amp and the cab simulation with mic, with the L6 link the output mode is changed to one of the amp settings which changes the EQ of the cab and turns off the mic simulation.  So where is the cab simulation on the DT at that point?  Was there none any time a POD is attached through L6 link?  That would seem odd.

Oh, wait you should just listen with your ears and move knobs until it sounds right.  (tongue in cheek, Zap)  Oh, wait, midi control doesn't work like that.  Not so easy and we have more questions than ever.  At least if previous questions had been answered we would have some way of knowing what the heck is going on inside the DT.



Re: DT 2.0!
by parker1963 on 2012-11-07 17:45:38

I still think it is a bit much to buy yet another bit of hardware to access the midi setup of the 8 slots in the DT , All we need is a PC / Mac Editor



Re: DT 2.0!
by TheRealZap on 2012-11-07 17:53:04

No.... because the midi ports are the only way you could get any kind of data into the amp... it has no usb etc....

at the very least you need a midi cable and a pod hd 500 or pro... far more expensive than a midi interface.



Re: DT 2.0!
by Hawkman23 on 2012-11-08 01:14:37

I too had trouble with the flash upgrade stopping part way through and leaving my DT25 112 frozen and unusable (granted I was using the cheap midi-usb interface). Tried all the other suggestions in this thread with no luck. However, I noticed, with perseverence, that each attempt was stopping at a different point in the upgrade, even occasionally making it all the way to the end of the first flash write before failing.

This led me to think, given the cheap interface, that the midi connection was unstable. I recalled from some distant physics studies that cooler temperatures help with electronics stability. So, what the hell, situation was getting a bit desperate so decided to sandwich the interface between two cold packs from the freezer..... and there it was -- 10 minutes later upgrade successful!

Hope this may help someone who also is finding nothing is working out for them 



Re: DT 2.0!
by greghall on 2012-11-08 01:30:26

This is really interesting, and it would certainly be really helpful to understand how the cab / mic works on the DT direct out, particulalry with the HD/Link/DT set up.

Now that all the mics / cabinets are in the firmware (were they there before the update?), does setting the cab / mic in an HD patch activate these on the DT? The L6 Link does communicate with the DT using MIDI messages, so that would certainly seems feasible. Maybe this is how it has always worked, and to be honest, I've not thought about it that much before.

I guess the "no cab" option is there for recording, where you could apply different cabinet modelling to the 'raw' signal, in a DAW?

Some explaination / documentation would be greatly appreciated.



Re: DT 2.0!
by hollis1003 on 2012-11-08 05:13:20

Here is a helpful video link:

http://www.strictlyguitar.com/how-to-use-midiox-with-your-line-6-dt25-or-dt50-amplifier/#

Notby me.  It is sending each midi message individually.  If I have time I will post my method so that maybe it makes a littel more sense and can be done a little quicker.



Re: DT 2.0!
by PDKTDK on 2012-11-08 06:08:42

I hear you man.

Additionally, we cannot control the AMP reverb throught the HD500.  If the cab emulation is generated by the HD500 and we can now get that onboard the DT it would save DSP.

My understanding is that the HD500 uses a lot of DPS, so I use the amps when I need it.

It seems us dream rig owners need some clarification in quite a few areas.



Re: DT 2.0!
by TheRealZap on 2012-11-08 06:14:40

I had asked before about sharing the DSP load between the 2, and that's not the case, and will not likely be the case in the future.



Re: DT 2.0!
by PDKTDK on 2012-11-08 06:27:05

Thanks for your reply Zap.

Can you clarify?  I have read that the HD reverb is DSP intensive and using the amp could alleviate the load.

Do they share?  What do you mean?



Re: DT 2.0!
by PDKTDK on 2012-11-08 06:35:22

Well, if I turn the reverb knob on the amp I get reverb although the preset does not reflect a reverb on the HD500.

Thoughts?



Re: DT 2.0!
by PDKTDK on 2012-11-08 06:50:24

Maybe L6 link is not the ideal connection method at this... juncture?



Re: DT 2.0!
by TheRealZap on 2012-11-08 06:55:59

I just checked this out, and it looks like you can sort of offload this now...

if you remove the reverb from your hd500 tone, it will go WYSIWYG on the knob, and save/store the knob position via midi with the tone.

not sure if it only uses the verb in that topo or how it decides which one....

but looks like an undocumented feature to me.

looks like they re-evaluated their stance after i asked the question.



Re: DT 2.0!
by hollis1003 on 2012-11-08 07:10:40

The ideal solution would be for the L6 link to allow a 4CM method of sorts.  You could easily load the voicings and reverbs you want into the DT.  L6 link would change the voicing (and cahnnel) on the DT and allow the POD to send the pre-fx then the signal would come back to the POD for post-fx and back to the DT for the reverb.  It would save a hell of a lot of DSP and would really be the dream rig.  You can also select "no amp" on the DT which would allow for acoustic patches as well.

The other awesome part is that to go to Low Volume Mode you just need to pull out the master volume.  No separate patches needed. 

In a lot of ways this is could be the ultimate digital/tube solutions and will allow much more use of the DSP in the POD.  I have a feeling it's coming from Line 6 but they are just taking the time to get it right and wanted to wet our wistle.



Re: DT 2.0!
by TheRealZap on 2012-11-08 07:15:03

the audio only goes 1 direction (with midi digitally) and you'd end adding latency by bouncing between them...

theory sounds great... and I suggested as much in the beta, for a number of reasons, it just won't happen.



Re: DT 2.0!
by PDKTDK on 2012-11-08 07:21:53

That makes complete sense.

Thanks.



Re: DT 2.0!
by greghall on 2012-11-08 07:42:23

Brilliant!

I've always turned the DT reverb off, and used an effect slot in the HD for reverb, so that it isn't always on when I change a patch. This means I can now use the DT reverb! And that makes it much easier to adjust the reverb to room when playing live with an HD/DT.

Can't understand why this wasn't documented in the release notes :-)



Re: DT 2.0!
by daferalo on 2012-11-08 08:45:55

Hi Zap,

Perhaps they can implement something similar to what the audio routing through USB does in the POD HD 500 for example. Anyway, I am not a Line 6 developer, so it is just a guess. But a more feasible guess is that I think MIDI control of new amp parameters through L6 Link would be available in the future, as it is already possible.

I am thinking of buying a second DT 25 amp, but due to the more options (mainly the boost) available for the DT 50, I do not know what I should buy. Could you please (or maybe another forum member) explain what the feedback capacitor type and phase inverter B+ do in the tone? I am not familiarized with those concepts, and I am wondering if they are already implemented inside the DT 25 amp, but are not configurable. I know the DT 25 does not have the inverter tube, but with this new software release I would like to come back to the old days when you have an amp an several stomp boxes in fron of you!!! But with the difference that you actually have not an amp, but an amp factory!!!! sweet!!!!

Best Regards,

Daf



Re: DT 2.0!
by greghall on 2012-11-09 03:53:17

Hi Zap

Actually, I've tried tried this and it doesn't work for me (HD500 - L6 Link - DT25 all with latest firmware). The Reverb setting on the DT stays the same regardless of which HD patch I use / set / save. Am I doing something wrong?

Regards



Re: DT 2.0!
by TheRealZap on 2012-11-09 04:01:50

for my test, i just took one of the default tones with reverb on it, removed the reverb, saved, switch patches back and forth, then it was as simple as turning the reverb knob on the amp... after that i simply adjusted to taste (star appeared) saved... switched back and forth again and the tone saved the settings for the reverb on the amp. as i said I don't know where it got the reverb selection from, so it might have to be selected for the amp topo via midi, or maybe it just used the verb that was formerly part of the tone?

i didn't pay enough attention... but you might add reverb first, and then save, and then remove, and save??

just ideas...



Re: DT 2.0!
by snuffels9 on 2012-11-10 07:44:27

For Touchdaw you can use any USB MIDI Class Adaptor. That's the whole idea of having a standardization. Works fine for my MIDIMATE II.



Re: DT 2.0!
by ReverendLove on 2012-11-10 13:33:15

But don't you depend on a PC? Are there Android drivers for a midi devices?
I don't know any MIDI interface for android phones or tablets.



Re: DT 2.0!
by jeffwatt on 2012-11-11 21:57:59

Had some fun tonight learning how to create MIDI devices in Cubase 6.5. Here's the end result:

DT50_Cubase_6.5_MIDI_Device.jpg

It doesn't include every possible parameter, and it runs from within Cubase, but it works like a charm. Like other posters have noted above, it won't read current settings from the DT amp, but it will send them.



Re: DT 2.0!
by ReverendLove on 2012-11-12 03:30:07

Great work, Jeff.
Would you share the xml?



Re: DT 2.0!
by talwilkins on 2012-11-12 06:56:22

As far as I can see, it should be possible to program a midi command to a switch that will configure the reverb loaden into teh DT.

So adding a midi cable between the POD HD and the DT amp should give us the functionality being talked about here.

Or am I missing something?



Re: DT 2.0!
by TheRealZap on 2012-11-12 07:31:13

shouldn't even have to cable it up... the L6LINK should transmit that midi info.



Re: DT 2.0!
by snuffels9 on 2012-11-12 11:08:59

>But don't you depend on a PC? Are there Android drivers for a midi devices?
>I don't know any MIDI interface for android phones or tablets.

Your Android device just needs USB Host capabilities. There is no need for special drivers, because every MIDI class device behaves in the same way. It's just like for USB mass storage class devices. You don't need special drivers for every USB Stick/Thumbdrive, because the same generic driver works for all of them.



Re: DT 2.0!
by fdesnoyers on 2012-11-12 16:56:11

I downloaded TouchOSC and LINE6 template. Sorry to say, but TouchOSC has the ugliest GUI I've ever seen!

I've been working with MIDI Designer for many months now and I built MIDI controls for DT-50, POD X3 LIVE and HD500. http://mididesigner.com/qa/110/call-for-layouts-line6-pod-controller

MIDIDesigner PRO is a little bit more expensive than TouchOSC, but you have full contol over your gears and, you must admit, interface looks better too.

Last but not least, design in MIDI Designer is performed directly on iPad, no need to install design tool on PC or MAC.

Feel free to share with DT-50 users.



Re: DT 2.0!
by fdesnoyers on 2012-11-12 17:08:22

I downloaded TouchOSC and LINE6 template. Sorry to say, but TouchOSC has the ugliest GUI I've ever seen!

I've been working with MIDI Designer for many months now and I built MIDI controls for DT-50, POD X3 LIVE and HD500. http://mididesigner.com/qa/110/call-for-layouts-line6-pod-controller

MIDIDesigner PRO is a little bit more expensive than TouchOSC, but you have full contol over your gears and, you must admit, interface looks better too.

Last but not least, design in MIDI Designer is performed directly on iPad, no need to install design tool on PC or MAC.

Feel free to share with DT-50 users.



Re: DT 2.0!
by jeffwatt on 2012-11-12 18:05:19

Here's the link:

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/6531450/dt50.xml

You may need this second file. I'm not sure, since I haven't exported one of these before:

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/6531450/Line%206%20DT50%20747BD12C8D98495BB4D52A3ED48073E2.xml



Re: DT 2.0!
by ReverendLove on 2012-11-15 03:24:02

Thanxalot. I am sure I will sort it out.



Re: DT 2.0!
by jc_anderton on 2012-11-20 09:14:57

Just installed the V 2.0 firmware and was thinking about using a midi pedal that can send a bunch of CC messages to allow me to simoultainiously change models, tone, gain etc.  Is this a good idea, or am I missing something?



Re: DT 2.0!
by hollis1003 on 2012-11-20 10:25:47

You might be able to, but you need to make sure the midi pedal can send the correct signals to do what you want.



Re: DT 2.0!
by jc_anderton on 2012-11-20 10:32:10

There are a few controllers out there that will send 8 cc's at once which I'm sure would work in theory, but not sure how well it will work in practice, am I likely to get a big delay or loads of noise when changing 'patches'  Would have been nice if you could save a patch on the DT inluding all the gain, tone settings.  Some of us are never happy



Re: DT 2.0!
by TheRealZap on 2012-11-20 10:48:48

you'd get the same pops and clicks you do now...  since you have relays etc re-wiring the amp internally...

i really wouldn't do what you are trying to do... it's not exactly a "patch"

you're talking about changing amps mid song... not really common... you can change amp channels commonly...

but far more simply with an a/b footswitch.

do what works for you clearly... i just don't think that your efforts here would be worth it to me...



Re: DT 2.0!
by jc_anderton on 2012-11-20 10:54:29

Thanks for the advice, I know it's not that common, but to have 4 'patches' or channels would be a bonus



Re: DT 2.0!
by scottwilliams on 2012-11-21 11:30:24

FYI - I have the Firestudio firewire interface hooked up to my imac and was able to use that as a midi interface to do the HD25 upgrade no problem.



Re: DT 2.0!
by Zhorell on 2012-12-03 22:40:01

Apologies if it might sound dumb    Is it possible to change one of the DT Amp's voicing? Let's say Line 6 decided to update or replace the British Crunch Voicing (weakest of the 4 IMHO) to something like a hot rodded brown Marshall?  or a new firmware update that let's you choose a preamp from the HD POD to replace any of the DT voicing?

That would be an awesome update



Re: DT 2.0!
by DropTheSun on 2012-12-04 00:12:03

I read, that someone had got the TouchOSC work using iPad+Midi cable+iPad camera connection kit. Now i have this setup too, but TouchOSC says, it doesn't recognize this device. Any advice?



Re: DT 2.0!
by TheRealZap on 2012-12-04 04:58:21

Zhorell wrote:

Apologies if it might sound dumb    Is it possible to change one of the DT Amp's voicing? Let's say Line 6 decided to update or replace the British Crunch Voicing (weakest of the 4 IMHO) to something like a hot rodded brown Marshall?  or a new firmware update that let's you choose a preamp from the HD POD to replace any of the DT voicing?

That would be an awesome update

that's exactly what this update does...

you can change all of the voicings to any of the pre-amp models available in the pod HD's...

along with many other parameters... mix and match power amps etc...




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