These forums are read only, please use our new forums here.

Main :: POD HD


Support forums for all POD HD products


recording a patched signal and dry DI signal with the HD500 simultaneously
by Santuzzo on 2012-11-17 16:12:52

Hi,

I know this is probably old news for most of you, but I have just recently discovered the possibility to record a DI signal simultaneously along with my patch-signal using a dual tone patch on my HD 500 where one signal path has the FX and amp of my choice and the other path remains blank for the DI which I later may use for software amp/cab sims or re-amping..

Tried it for the first time today and it works like a charm!

I had already been considering getting an HD pro for its dry-out but now that I can basically do the same on my HD500 I am a happy camper.

For a  'real' dual amp patch (a patch where I use different amp models on each signal path) this won't work because you need one signal path to remain blank for the DI-signal, but most of my patches are non-dual amp patches anyway!

Lars



Re: recording a patched signal and dry DI signal with the HD500 simultaneously
by silverhead on 2012-11-17 16:39:40

Yes - it works well. The only difference between this and the Dry Out on the HD Pro is a couple of a/d and d/a conversions that take place on the HD500 and do not take place on the HD Pro. On the other hand, this technique is still required on the HD Pro if you want to take the dry signal from the VDI input. The HD Pro taps directly, and only, from the Guitar Input.



Re: recording a patched signal and dry DI signal with the HD500 simultaneously
by Santuzzo on 2012-11-18 02:59:59

Oh, yes, I did not even think about that.

Would this take away quality of the signal or lead to an audible difference? Or is it just a latency issue?



Re: recording a patched signal and dry DI signal with the HD500 simultaneously
by silverhead on 2012-11-18 05:10:21

It's a quality issue but a very minor one imho. I don't think it would make any difference to the eventual vst-processed tone.



Re: recording a patched signal and dry DI signal with the HD500 simultaneously
by Santuzzo on 2012-11-18 05:21:48

Thanks!

That is good news!

I'm planning on recording this way form now on, but I do intend to use the HD patch-tone, but IF for whatever reason I should decide to use a different sound after the fact that I recorded, it's just great to have the option of applying amp/cab sims (like Pod farm) to the DI signal!



Re: recording a patched signal and dry DI signal with the HD500 simultaneously
by silverhead on 2012-11-18 05:29:05

Have fun! Reamping the original dry tone is a really flexible technique that allows your song to develop more freely. You can experiment easily with different approaches while not having to re-perform the 'perfect' take.

I just wish there was a Pod Farm HD version. Maybe someday. Meantime, it is possible to use your HD500 as a reamping device if you have a separate audio interface with multiple independent i/o channels. You would route the recorded dry signal from an output of your interface to the HD500 Guitar input, process it as desired, and the route the HD500 audio outputs to your interface inputs in a different channel to avoid feedback. Then record the processed dry signal in a new track in your DAW.



Re: recording a patched signal and dry DI signal with the HD500 simultaneously
by Santuzzo on 2012-11-18 05:32:04

Wow, thanks for that. I had not evne considere re-amping with the HD500 itself. Even more flexibility here. Amazing unit!!!!



Re: recording a patched signal and dry DI signal with the HD500 simultaneously
by DeanDinosaur on 2012-11-18 13:01:39

The HD500 also has an option to set the SPDIF out to dry. that's what I do to record a dry track. If your audio interface  has SPDIF then you can record the whole patch with both paths in the HD500 using  whatever outputs you like but you reservethe SPDIF from the POD for the dry signal. No need to split the path in this situation.



Re: recording a patched signal and dry DI signal with the HD500 simultaneously
by Santuzzo on 2012-11-18 13:13:44

Wow, another thing I did not know. Thanks!

My audio interface is a Line 6 UX2, but it does not have an SPDIF input. Maybe this option would be worth considering an interface that has an spdif input.

The way you explained it would be possible to record both the patched signal through one output and the dry signal through the spdif output simultaneously?



Re: recording a patched signal and dry DI signal with the HD500 simultaneously
by silverhead on 2012-11-18 13:46:04

Yes - you can record both simultaneously (subject to capabilities/restrictions of your DAW and computer resources). The s/pdif would carry the dry signal and the usb connection would carry the stereo processed signal from the HD500 preset. You would arm one mono and one stereo track for recording in your DAW, and select the appropriate Record Inputs from your audio interface.

So if you are going to get a new audio interface you now have a couple of good features to look for: s/pdif input and multi-channel audio i/o (enabling the HD500 hardware reamping capability).



Re: recording a patched signal and dry DI signal with the HD500 simultaneously
by Santuzzo on 2012-11-18 14:21:08

Thanks !

I will look into this and see what kind of interface might be interesting. But honestly I am not sure if I will even need that, I am still golden with the possibility I just discovered of using a dual amp patch with one signal path dry.



Re: recording a patched signal and dry DI signal with the HD500 simultaneously
by meambobbo on 2012-11-18 15:51:01

here's another way to do it - and you don't have give up a wet stereo send as well.

put the fx loop first in your chain.  set mix to 0%.  now the fx loop send is outputting the dry signal, while the regular outputs output the wet signal.



Re: recording a patched signal and dry DI signal with the HD500 simultaneously
by Santuzzo on 2012-11-18 15:52:40

Thanks!

Yet another way I had not known of.



Re: recording a patched signal and dry DI signal with the HD500 simultaneously
by DeanDinosaur on 2012-11-19 09:26:05

I love visiting this board for all the new things I learn, I never thought of spliting the Path, or the FX loop. I just added to new tips to my knowledge base.



Re: recording a patched signal and dry DI signal with the HD500 simultaneously
by Santuzzo on 2012-11-24 09:50:08

I just tried this and it works so nicely!!! Wow, I'm amazed at all the possibilities.

Would there be any disadvantage in using the FX Loop for recording a DI over the 'dual path (with one path dry)' approach?



Re: recording a patched signal and dry DI signal with the HD500 simultaneously
by anonyrat on 2012-11-24 19:33:53

I too thought about the one channel wet and one dry. But I thought that was too limiting.

Briefly considered the FX loop method but I really use that for extra FX's using an M9

So I got an Analog Stereo RCA R/L to Digital Optical Coaxial S/PDIF TOSLINK Audio Converter

 

 

Got it here

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Analog-Stereo-RCA-R-L-Digital-Optical-Coaxial-S-PDIF-TOSLINK-Audio-Converter-/320890577240?pt=UK_Computing_Sound_Vision_Video_Cables_Adapters&hash=item4ab691a158

Usedthis with the SPDIF set to dry out




The information above may not be current, and you should direct questions to the current forum or review the manual.