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Need help to find my delay-sound.
by tormod1 on 2012-12-05 03:00:57

I'm using my POD HD500 with a DT25, and I'm searching for that delay-sound that makes Satriani, Timmons and other guys sound so HUGE.

I find that my delay-settings seems to "get in the way" of my tone, instead of helping it, if that makes sence...

Any suggestions..?

I'm also still looking to find THAT Marshall-tone, the one that's in my head... A hot-rodded, face-melting kind of tone that cuts through the mix, but also

cleans up nice with the volume on my guitar taken back a bit. Maybe this tone only excists in my head, but I still keep on searching...



Re: Need help to find my delay-sound.
by jimsreynolds on 2012-12-05 03:21:15

Can't say specifically but I do know that you always need less delay than you think you do when you start dialing something in. 

For me:   I find that the best sounding delays for general work have a limited number of repeats (2-3 max) and have the mix setup so that they drop off quite rapidly (20-40%) usually. 

In terms of delay time, I tend to find that shorter repeats  tend to sit easier in the soundscape than epic longer ones.  I mean how big is the room you imagine you are playing in ...

If I go much higher than these levels, the repeat tends to run into the primary note too much and creates mud.   You can also avoid mud the Dynamic (ducking) delay as it lowers the repeat volume level when you are playing, thereby keeping the soundscape cleaner.  Personally, I find that this delay is quite difficult to use in practice. YMMV. 

Be aware also that an echo that seems subtle at room volumes can become clanging and in-your-face when you crank it up for live so again, less can be more.  If your band are loud and you want to feature the echo more then it may be worth leaving the echo at unsubtle levels anyhow.

There are always situations where a more extreme echo is called for so again, just a guideline.



Re: Need help to find my delay-sound.
by spaceatl on 2012-12-05 05:04:41

For me, nothing works better than an analog delay...My favorite is a Memory Man or Boss DM-3....I still have my DM-3 and they are so natural without getting in the way...However, the DM-3 or real Memory Man are limited to 300ms...The analog delay with the bass and treble filters is my goto delay...The modulation one is basically a memory man deluxe and works great too...I also like the Dynamic Delay quite a lot...You can make that one duck out of the way of your playing and have it come back in automatically...If it only had the analog vibe it would be the perfect delay...



Re: Need help to find my delay-sound.
by line6hd500 on 2012-12-06 04:34:01

spaceatl wrote:

For me, nothing works better than an analog delay...My favorite is a Memory Man or Boss DM-3....I still have my DM-3 and they are so natural without getting in the way...However, the DM-3 or real Memory Man are limited to 300ms...The analog delay with the bass and treble filters is my goto delay...The modulation one is basically a memory man deluxe and works great too...I also like the Dynamic Delay quite a lot...You can make that one duck out of the way of your playing and have it come back in automatically...If it only had the analog vibe it would be the perfect delay...

What settings do you use for your analog delay?



Re: Need help to find my delay-sound.
by spaceatl on 2012-12-06 05:02:10

I am doing this from memory at the moment, but something like this is a usual starting place for me...

Time: 250-300ms

Feedback around 40%

Placement: POST (after the AMP model but before Reverb or modulation)

Bass: 11%

Treble: down around 7%

Mix might be as high as 30%-40% depending on the tone....The low bass and treble give the delay a band pass effect...The lower treble can make the repeats less prominent...low bass keeps the mud in check...So as you adjust the treble control, I usually end up tweaking the feedback or the mix to compensate if the delay falls out too much...



Re: Need help to find my delay-sound.
by hollis1003 on 2012-12-06 13:31:42

Satriani uses two delays in line.  One is a shorter delay with 3-4 repeats and one is longer with only 1-2 repeats.  I think the shorter one is first.  I would just use Digital Delay and play with taking the treble down a little (but not to 7%).  Mix around 40%.  If you watch the many "rig rundowns" on him at the YouTube you can actually here him play each delay and then tap out the tempo to match them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaO0yObNfV4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAbRhiyFNvM

The thing to remember is that Satriani uses so much delay because he is soloing ALL THE TIME.  For the rhythm work he does not use both delays and probably neither.

The best "Hot Rodded Marshall' that the POD HD has is the Soldano Crunch.  For more gain it is the Soldano Overdrive.  I like the Marshall Plexi with Tube Screamer in front of it.  I keep hoping they will add the Bogner Ecstacy (which is probably my dream amp) as the Blue and Red channels are incredible. 




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