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Just got the XDV-35 I have questions
by Reason413 on 2012-12-13 21:15:58

Hey all  This forum is awesome !

    I just picked up the Line 6 XDV-35 System....  The first thing I noticed that concerns me is the small head on the mic... It reminds me of those junky VocoPro karaoke mics you see out there...

I plugged it in at Guitar Center and it sounds great, Mic has a nice feel to it...   Does anyone who has one of these feel like the pickup pattern is alot smaller than alot of other mics??  My other question about this mic is does this one have a changable model built it or is it by standard modeled after the SM58 ??    I happen to have a Shure SM58 capsule here... would I be better off with that or leaving the mic as is ??

I know this sounds weird.. I bought it but wont be able to test it out until the weekend...   Also, where in the world can I get a carrying case for this system?



Re: Just got the XDV-35 I have questions
by RonMarton on 2012-12-13 23:15:27

Indeed, this forum was one of the things that attracted me to Line 6 in the first place. (Feel free click on my avatar at left for a bit of my background.)

I know of no other manufacturer that facilitates support to this extent.

Now, to the matters you've raised...

As far as I know, the six-channel handhelds for the XD-V30 and V35 both have Line 6's "58 model" representation of Shure's SM58 (the most widely used vocal mic on Planet Earth) permanently "switched on", as distinct from the variable modeling in Line 6's XD-V70 and V75 handhelds.

Some observations about Line 6's modeling and "pickup pattern" or polar response and proximity effect:

To my old ears, all of their models are very accurate representations of the "sound" (frequency and harmonic response) coming from cabled examples of the mics on which they're based, PROVIDED the Line 6's capsule is around a centimetre (1/2 an inch) from a given vocalist's lips.

Closer than that, or further away, the actual fidelity of the "copied" sound varies from model to model as the Line 6 capsule can only ever display its own "pickup pattern" which (of necessity) may resemble some "originals" more than others.

(While we're on the subject of those "originals", my observations regarding Line 6's accuracy are strictly in comparison to "fresh" or new examples of the originals, not the smoke, beer and shock affected veterans that populate many venues.)

I'm with you in finding that the "58-modeled" Line 6 has a "tighter" pickup pattern (and is, hence, less feedback-prone) than Shure's SM58, but this may be a mixed blessing, particularly when considering possible investment in a V75 handheld with a view to mounting the wireless version of Shure's own SM58 capsule.

I'm now talking about the "proximity effect" part of "pickup pattern".

Some vocalists who've "grown up" with Shure's SM58 (or another given type of directional vocal mic) will have "tailored" the subtleties of their entire expression around an instant variation in bass response being directly proportional to them varying their chosen mic's distance from their mouths.

A "master class" in such techniques is available from any YouTube clip of Ella FitzGerald in concert with her trusty (and immaculately looked after) SM58.

Now, as I've explained,  there's simply NO WAY that the Line 6 capsule can exactly emulate the proximity effects caused by the physical "build" of other capsules, so as to whether you'd be "...better off...leaving the mic as is..."

...the only viable answer to that question would be for you to try it out and see how happy the performer concerned is when actually "working" the mic.

As for me, ...I've yet to encounter a regular SM58 user who was other than delighted with the crystal-clear wireless freedom that I've offered.



Re: Just got the XDV-35 I have questions
by RonMarton on 2012-12-13 23:37:36

Sorry, but I forgot about the carrying case that appears at the bottom of this page...

http://line6.com/wireless-accessories/

Itbears the Line 6 Part No: 98-033-0038, and Guitar Center should be able to order it in for you as it doesn't appear to be part of their regular stock.



Re: Just got the XDV-35 I have questions
by Reason413 on 2012-12-14 07:23:48

Even when I use my wired 58, I dont " eat the mic " because I never have to... I have a pretty powerful voice so honestly Ive always been a few inches back... and always pulled the mic way back when i hit those power or high notes.... Im excited to start using it. In just testing it out I found it to be a pretty sensitive microphone..  It reminded me of my condenser mic that Ive been using , an old Electrovoice BK-1



Re: Just got the XDV-35 I have questions
by RonMarton on 2012-12-14 12:23:04

Sounds to me like you'll be every bit as happy as "my" longstanding SM58-user "clients" have been when I've handed them one of my "58 model" XD-V handhelds. 



Re: Just got the XDV-35 I have questions
by Reason413 on 2012-12-14 17:10:07

Well I got had a little fun with it today... unfortunately not on a live full PA. just my mixer, the mic and some sennheiser stereo headphones...   The volume seems limited with the headphones so its not a fair test in my opinion BUT a few things I noticed...

The XD-V sounds similar to the 58  but its definately more sensitive and dare I say even a tad brighter... I swapped to the SM58 capsule I have and noticed that it was less sensitive and the handling noise that is present with the XD capsule disappeared... BUT I like the more sensitive capsule, lets me back off a bit vocally, That is my complaint with the 58s is I feel like I have to be loud into them sometimes and I feel like if I dont use a mic that lets me back off a little bit, I'll wreck my voice...

      After swapping and testing over and over again I decided I would give the XD capsule an honest try for a while... I wont be on a live PA with it until Wednesday so I will see how it sounds then....  The one thing I have grown accustomed to with the BK-1 condenser mic I have been using lately is how I can pull the mic back as far as I want when I start to belt things out..we will see how it goes... I may just have to get used to keeping the mic nice and close on this one



Re: Just got the XDV-35 I have questions
by RonMarton on 2012-12-14 17:41:02

It might just be the "aging" of the SM58's capsule that's yielding the slight decrease in brightness compared to the Line 6.

Club owners and bands have frequently been amazed at the increased sonic definition that I've obtained from their apparently "clean" mics upon either

  1. Laundering the inner foam by gently "squeezing" it under a weak solution (1 part to 4) of methylated spirits and water, (which became discoloured to a truly disgusting extent) and subsequently air drying them ...or
  2. In the worst cases, replacing the entire grille and wind-gag assembly.


Re: Just got the XDV-35 I have questions
by Reason413 on 2012-12-14 17:48:46

The Shure capsule I have is brand spanking new, its been sitting in a drawer for a few years and the grille is new too...   Like I said.. I'm going to give the Line 6 capsule a chance first...  Like I said, The only difference is the brightness of the sound overall and the handling noise is virtually non existant with the SM58 capsule



Re: Just got the XDV-35 I have questions
by RonMarton on 2012-12-14 17:56:18

Thanks for persevering and posting that great detailed information.

I'm sure (or Shure) that you'll appreciate how valuable that these sorts of "real world" comments and observations can be for others who are considering different equipment.



Re: Just got the XDV-35 I have questions
by Reason413 on 2012-12-14 18:48:29

just being honest...



Re: Just got the XDV-35 I have questions
by RonMarton on 2012-12-14 18:53:15

Always the best policy...

BTW, Your E-V BK-1 had long been a favourite of mine too. My current favourite among "roadworthy" condenser vocal mics Is Audix's VX5.



Re: Just got the XDV-35 I have questions
by Reason413 on 2012-12-14 19:33:31

Yeah.. Im going to miss the condenser mic.. but I love the idea of wireless... less fuss, more freedom to move around etc.




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