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Studio GX recording level Windows 7
by k_zurawski on 2012-12-15 04:30:37

Hi.

I don't know how to lower the level of incoming signal. While I'm recording my guitar's body pickup produces so high level of signal that I get digital distortion on every track. To eliminate that I should lower the incoming level, GX doesn't have any gain level knob. Before I bought it I thought that there is a fader in GX driver software, whith which I can set right of incoming signal level. I have tried everything and didn't find any possibility to set this. I'm using Pod Farm as a VST plugin in Ableton. While I'm recording I hear the simulated sound from pod farm, bu the recorded signal is clean guitar. I'd like it to stay that way. There's always a possibility to change the sound by changing pressets in Pod Farm VST plugin. Please help.



Re: Studio GX recording level Windows 7
by hulbert on 2012-12-15 18:42:42

Hi,

Not sure if you have tried this and still get distortion but if you go into the vst of Pod Farm, you can go to the knob up the far top left and this turns down the input.

God Bless,

David



Re: Studio GX recording level Windows 7
by k_zurawski on 2012-12-16 05:09:10

The problem isn't the pod farm itself. I get distorted "clean" signal from the imput. I can turn down the volume on my guitar and this "solves" the problem. But this doesn't really solve anything. The sustain is terrible and there is no point in using humbucker pickups with cut signal (less volume). Digital distortion results in cracks. Using vst plugin on material that has cracks is pointless...



Re: Studio GX recording level Windows 7
by hulbert on 2012-12-16 09:23:46

I see what you are meaning.

I think an impedance matching device will be the thing to help with this. Something to bring down 'hot' pickups to normal guitar pickup levels. I haven't been able to see any for this, but someone would I think be manufacturing them. I know it doesn't help, but the ux2 has a 2nd guitar input for hot pickups. Just mentioned it because the price for a transforming device might be a bit - depends on what is out there. Some transforming devices are quite cheap, but some are hundreds etc. Unfortunately I can't seem to find any online for this. I'll have another look though.

God Bless,

David



Re: Studio GX recording level Windows 7
by k_zurawski on 2012-12-16 11:19:16

Thanks. I was wondering may be there is some kind of software lowering the signal wchich I could load in chain between guitar/gx card and ableton. Have You ever seen anything like that? I could route clean signal through this software to ableton and that would do the trick.



Re: Studio GX recording level Windows 7
by k_zurawski on 2012-12-16 11:30:32

You know what, I've been thinking abot this for a while. I think that programmers did it on purpose or had little knowlegdge. Every computer has one headphone out and one mic in. The mic in has its own fader and by the default there is an option to boost microphone's sensitivity. Why this solution, which I've seen since windows 2000 didn't come with paid, additional external, as line6 says hi-end card? I'm working on Win7 now and I still se the same window in device explorer for 12 years now... May be the Guitar Rig has what I need.



Re: Studio GX recording level Windows 7
by hulbert on 2012-12-17 10:21:32

Hi again,

I misunderstood what you were meaning. Sorry about that I was thinking you were meaning lowering the input before it gets into the computer.

So, not sure. The gx is doing the analogue to digital converting, so if the signal is ok going into the gx (i.e. not too strong for the gx's input), it should stay ok through to pod farm. If the pickup is causing it, I think its likely that it is too strong for the gx and so it is converting it with the too hot signal, and outputting a digitaly distorted sound that the levels in the computer won't change. It could turn the volume down, but the distorted sound would still be there.

If it isn't the pickup, then it could be converting cleanly and then for some reason distort in the computer, but if the pickup's level is ok, then it should be ok with the computer's levels all at 100%. I use my ux2 and have the input at 100. If turning the pod farm input level down doesn't help it, I think it probably needs something to lower the level before the signal goes into the gx.

God Bless,

David

P.S.  Merry Christmas



Re: Studio GX recording level Windows 7
by CatalinaEddy on 2012-12-17 13:53:12

If you are looking to impedance match and/or attenuate signal into the GX you could look into a DI box with a pad switch.  LiveWire, Rolls & ART all make some very useable units that are in the $20-$30 range.  Most DI's use XLR for the output, so you might need to add to your cable selection. 

Just a thought.



Re: Studio GX recording level Windows 7
by k_zurawski on 2012-12-19 22:40:28

You know what I actually don't know what's causing the problem. The only thing I know is when I'm playing "softly" recorded signal is ok. When I hit strings hard, this initial level is clipping, what results in one or two cracks in audio. My guess from what you've said is the "hottie&naughty" Seymour Duncan passive TB4... This pickup wasn't initially there, I modified my old cheap guitar. Do you know how to check the impedance?



Re: Studio GX recording level Windows 7
by k_zurawski on 2012-12-20 09:18:36

What is missing? Hulbert: you can go to the knob up the far top left and this turns down the input.

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Re: Studio GX recording level Windows 7
by hulbert on 2012-12-20 11:32:10

Hi,

Yep, the input knob is in the vst version - The standalone version doesn't have it. I wasn't sure if you were using standalone as well. This won't help with standalone, but it would be interesting to hear if it still is distorted with that turned down.

David



Re: Studio GX recording level Windows 7
by Triryche on 2012-12-20 13:06:14

+1 hulbert



Re: Studio GX recording level Windows 7
by Triryche on 2012-12-20 13:07:46

k_z

Can you record the unprocessed signal from UX and post a clip and possible a screenshot of the waveform in your DAW?



Re: Studio GX recording level Windows 7
by k_zurawski on 2012-12-21 01:31:58

OK. I'm at work at the moment (add 9 hours to the forum time), I'll do it in the evening.



Re: Studio GX recording level Windows 7
by jjRocker on 2012-12-23 10:53:03

I´ve had the same problem with one of my guitars.On my Jackson SL1 the pickup (TB-4) was setup too high so the recorded clean DI track clipped a little bit.

I have an old Line 6 DI Port which has a PAD button when I´m using it the signal was way to low.I think the PAD button is designed to use with active pickups (EMGs) or very high output passive pickups.I´ve solved the problem by lowering the pickup height of the TB-4 so it doesn´t clip anymore.

Hope this helps.



Re: Studio GX recording level Windows 7
by k_zurawski on 2013-01-01 22:31:39

Good point, I'll try, hope it helps. Another thing which I've been considering is soldering a resistor in guitar's cirquit, but I don't know what resistance value should it have or if the sound will change.

I forgot to attatch the clip...

Here are some files. Firstly I had my guitar tuned to C, today changed strings and tuned to E. I set the guitar and it seems that problem is solved. I hit strings very hard and the level of sound is acceptable. I think the sound had too much bass... Thanks for your help.




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