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This is doing my head in.... Comments pls and prove me wrong.
by animastereo on 2012-12-22 23:57:48

I desperately want an DT head and cab - already ordered my covers from Roqsolid.

Te channel IV tone/sound is so thick and full - it's just amazing.

I bought a combo a year back and a HD 300 but couldn't get the amp sounds when I plugged the pod in.

The pod provided the flexibility so it was pointless having one without the other.  So both got returned and I bought a Trace Elliot valve combo and restored it.  Sounds fine (not great)

But I'm really looking for that channel IV thick fat spongy feel of the DT series.  I'm not even getting this through my all UK made valve amp. (Thumbs up to line 6)

So I found a an HD 300 at a pawn shop REAL cheap and bought it (remembering I returned my brand new one a year ago)

I figured I'm not far away from getting the DT so I'll just run the HD for effects and run he DT with a midi controller like my Trace which I've now learnt to do - now I (will) have a DT with at least channel switching and midi options. 

So I figured I'd use my trace to run the HD 300 on FX only mode - get it right, and then maybe even upgrade to an HD 500when I buy the DT.

BUT IT SOUNDS AWEFUL.     AGAIN......   I mean the sounds are great, but sterile and digital.  Ok. I'm comparing it to a valve amp but isn't this meant to be what we at Line 6 are modelling?????  I've bought a mobile in and looked at the ap.  Great tones to experiment with in the ap - but as soon as you plug a guitar in and do it real time - nothing similar.

So I've figured I'm doing something wrong.  Checked all the settings.  Live vs studio etc etc.     No change.  Just volume drops.  Even just with effects and he amp models off.    My trace is now digital.

So I get my Zoom MS 50g out basically out of frustration - AND IT SOUNDS AWESOME.

I'd never use it for tones - distortions etc - just fx; delays reverbs Flanders etc etc as I'm buying the DT.  But even the distortion models are ok.  (Not fantastic - but useable.  Especially compared to the HD.)

But more importantly - when bypassed (on a delay etc) THERE IS NO CHSNGE TO THE TRACE TONE......

I wish I could yell here....

WHAT THUF HUCK AM I OR LINE 6 DOING WRONG???!??!??!!!?!???!?!??!???!?

I REALLY WANT THE HD (300 or 500) to work with the DT. BUT YOU SERIOUSLY CANNOT TELL ME THERE'S NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE DT AND THE HD WHEN OT COMES TO TONE........

(Insert pulling hair out smiley here)



Re: This is doing my head in.... Comments pls and prove me wrong.
by brue58ski on 2012-12-23 04:23:12

The bottom is it either sounds good or it doesnt.   I really like the direct sonds through some good monitors (using studio direct for the output).. If you don't like the way it sounds then move on to something else  The only possibile wrong thing might be you're using the preamps instead of the full amps.  In the amp selection area you have a choice as to using only the preamp of an amp or tthe "full thing". Could that be your problem? Each amp has two choices.



Re: This is doing my head in.... Comments pls and prove me wrong.
by jimsreynolds on 2012-12-23 04:26:33

OK, so as I understand it you are usin the HD300 for delay and modulation FX only.  In which case the best place for it is probably the FX Loop.

So the cabling hookup would go

  • Guitar -->  Amp Front
  • Amp FX Send -->  HD300 Input
  • HD300 1/4" Left Output -->  HD300 FX Return

The amp loop would need to be switched on and the master volume on the HD300 at or near 100%.  Create a 100% Blank patch  and try flipping the Amp FX Loop on and off.  There should be no change in volume or tone.  If there is a level control for the amp FX Loop  then start off using a lower setting.  The level should be the same that would be used by a stompbox in the loop (i.e 'Amp' or 'Instrument' level) rather than by a professional rack device (i.e. 'Line' Level)

If you DO hear a change in volume or tone then:

  • If the volume drop is significant and the tone sounds fuzzy then the amp loop may be running at line level - the HD300 cannot cope with this without external help.    Which Trace amp are you using?   It may be possible to switch levels or use other methods to fix this.
  • If there is a volume drop but the tone sounds basically ok then try playing with the Mixer on the HD300,  boosting the level up until the volume is the same with the amp loop switched on or off.

Come back if you need more.



Re: This is doing my head in.... Comments pls and prove me wrong.
by hurghanico on 2012-12-23 08:57:12

milesargall ha scritto:

...I mean the sounds are great, but sterile and digital.  Ok. I'm comparing it to a valve amp but isn't this meant to be what we at Line 6 are modelling?????

WHAT THUF HUCK AM I OR LINE 6 DOING WRONG???!??!??!!!?!???!?!??!???!?

I REALLY WANT THE HD (300 or 500) to work with the DT. BUT YOU SERIOUSLY CANNOT TELL ME THERE'S NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE DT AND THE HD WHEN OT COMES TO TONE........

(Insert pulling hair out smiley here)

really fun your post .. I laughed a lot because of the scenic way in which it is written!.. .. thank you!!

hmmm.. anyway.. the following is my (serious) opinion:

if the HD amp modeling was 100% accurate (especially for the power-amp section) and if it was able to completely replace a tube amp in all respects, there would have been absolutely no need to invent the DT series .. but it would be more than perfect to add just a good FRFR system ..

therefore it is obvious that there are some tone differences between the HD and DT.. otherwise, what would be the usefulness to have a DT?


to use a DT amp along with the HD is like putting the icing on the cake ..

the HD contributes with the pre-amp section plus FX, and DT adds the finishing touch with the real tube power-amp..


having said that, personally I am
really fine just with my HD500 and a good FRFR system .. probably is not 100% perfect as an exact copy of reality (I would say: very very close), but sure for me it is more than enough to have a really high quality palette of sounds and to obtain excellent results with them.. maybe one day I will add the icing on the cake, but I'm not in a hurry



Re: This is doing my head in.... Comments pls and prove me wrong.
by jasonbogen on 2012-12-23 09:24:41

Actually, it sounds like he is doing the opposite here.  I have an HD500 with the DT25 mini stack.  You need to use your HD just for preamp, NOT for full amp otherwise it is the equivelant of setting up an amp with a microphone then running the mic input into another amp.  That creates some strange sounds.  The thing to keep in mind is that many people are using the HD/DT combo to accomplish what MIles is trying to accomplish.

I will say that for me to finally achieve what I wanted it the final piece was to tweak the deep edit parameters of the cab models and find the right mic/cab combos for the amp.  However, to start out with you need to use the preamp only models, because that way, the HD is modeling the preamps and the actuall head is taking care of the power section.  That is the whole idea of the HD/DT combo. 



Re: This is doing my head in.... Comments pls and prove me wrong.
by DeanDinosaur on 2012-12-24 05:17:57

My guess is that you're not using the proper setup options on the HD. Some might not bond or like the sound of the HD  but it's not awefull that's for sure. I recommend following the manual instructions for proper setup as the HD series are more sophisticated than the average multi effect.



Re: This is doing my head in.... Comments pls and prove me wrong.
by gChrisG on 2013-01-02 16:33:28

I've bought a mobile in and looked at the ap.  Great tones to experiment with in the ap - but as soon as you plug a guitar in and do it real time - nothing similar.

I can't comment on the DT or POD HD aspects, but I do know Mobile In and Mobile POD and the comment above sounds a little odd to me, because the modeling that's applied to the guitar clips -is- the actual Mobile POD processing, and it -is- being applied in real time. I believe the guitar clips were recorded from a James Tyler Variax with no processing at all - straight & dry.

All I can think to ask is: Does your guitar have an unusually high or low output level?  If so, try a signal boost or cut.  Also does your guitar also sound wrong to you when using modeling apps from other manufacturers, or just Line 6 modeling? 



Re: This is doing my head in.... Comments pls and prove me wrong.
by animastereo on 2013-01-03 11:24:25

Thanks all.

I think you will have seen the other thread I've started.  I've taken the advice hear and gone in through the effects loop. 

I'm now using the pod fully (not just effects) without that digital sound.

Operator error.

I've even put this thread up on strat talk and explained my mistake.  All strat players should have a pod......



Re: This is doing my head in.... Comments pls and prove me wrong.
by guitarplayer0376 on 2013-01-04 16:30:32

Dude, the HD300 and 400 are garbage,...........get yourself and HD500 if you want to get some real tones. I had an HD300 for about 9 months untl I got a 500, actually donated the HD300 literally immediately. Just last week, borrowed the HD300 back from the person to see if I could apply some more tone knowledge and set him up with some decent tones, as my tweak experience w/ the Line 6 POD series is now about 18 months or so, a good 6 months with the HD500. I can get some OK clean tones out of the HD300, but that is it, and literally gave up messing with it after a few minutes. the difference between the 500 and the 300 is massive, if the HD300 is your Toyota Prius, then the HD500 is the Millenium Falcon. Get an HD500, or get something even better like a Kemper or an AXE II, if your budget allows.




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