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HD500; Which output for PA/Mixer is best?
by Bushman2 on 2012-12-30 11:46:21

Which output do you use and why?

PA Is Run In Mono.

1/4" Left/Mono to Directbox to XLR to Snake to Mixer

-OR-

Left XLR to Snake to Mixer

My undertstanding is that the 1/4" Left output sums to mono, XLR's do not.

Why would I see video tutorials showing one XLR connected to the board?

Wouldn't this just be the left stereo channel only?



Re: HD500; Which output for PA/Mixer is best?
by silverhead on 2012-12-30 12:11:09

You are right about the 1/4" output being L/MONO while the XLR output is just L. But if you use the HD500 mixer to pan the mix fully left then I think the L XLR output will deliver a full mono signal to your snake/mixer. In this case the two setups you describe should be identical in sound although the XLR setup is simpler.



Re: HD500; Which output for PA/Mixer is best?
by Bushman2 on 2012-12-30 12:39:15

And the HD500 Mixer setting is different, Preset to Preset?

So I would have to set this for each Preset? Or is it in the Global Output Settings?



Re: HD500; Which output for PA/Mixer is best?
by BigChas52 on 2012-12-30 13:06:53

It will be different preset to preset.  Another solution is to only use mono effects, and don't mess with the panning.  In that case, both channels should be the same.  This s how I run either XLR into FoH.



Re: HD500; Which output for PA/Mixer is best?
by Bushman2 on 2012-12-30 15:57:26

As of now, I don't use any stereo effects, just because I either run into a mono PA, or a guitar amplifier. So I guess it shouldn't matter. Didn't know if I would loose any of the mono summing effect by just using one XLR output.



Re: HD500; Which output for PA/Mixer is best?
by BigChas52 on 2012-12-30 17:26:36

You should be fine, especially if you are using a mono effect, such as a mono reverb at the end of your signal chain.



Re: HD500; Which output for PA/Mixer is best?
by tdollaway on 2012-12-30 18:23:23

When I was doing a lot of gigging, I panned both channels of the mixer to center. To my knowledge (and I could be wrong), when L and/or R are panned to center it is sending full signal from both the left and right channel to both XLR outputs.  This limits your stereo capability, however. We never ran our P.A. stereo, so stereo effects would have been lost as soon as it hit our mixer, anyway.I did try running both right and left XLR outs to the board, as well as Left only. They both worked, but I could never get a straight answer from our soundguy as to which was better.  With this setup, I set input 2 to same.  I'm not sure that you would need to do this and never tried anything different.

I also experimented with running everything in the HD in path A only. I muted the right channel and panned the left channel to center. For this to work properly,I believe you need to have a mono effect at the signal chain split. For this setup, I set input 2 to variax or aux.  This seemed to give me a cleaner (albeit weaker) signal to the board.

I would say that if you're running a stereo P.A., pan your HD mixer hard left and right and run a seperate XLR or 1/4" for each and pan accordingly at the mixer.

Hope this helps, man.



Re: HD500; Which output for PA/Mixer is best?
by phil_m on 2012-12-30 18:46:03

Actually, if you pan hard left or hard right, and only using one of the XLR outputs, you could potentially be missing some stereo information. The pan control is really a balance control, so when you pan hard right, you're really turning the left side off. It really depends how the tone is setup, but if you have a stereo effect such as Ping Pong Delay after the amp model and pan hard left or right while using only one XLR out, you'll only be getting one side of the effect. Keeping the mixer block panned in the center is actually the safer way to go, although, with the example of Ping Pong Delay, you'd still be missing some of the effect.



Re: HD500; Which output for PA/Mixer is best?
by silverhead on 2012-12-30 18:51:15

Oh - I did not realize that. Thanks for clarifying. So it sounds like the OP would be best to use the 1/4" L/MONO output to guarantee the full signal?



Re: HD500; Which output for PA/Mixer is best?
by PremiumJones on 2012-12-30 19:01:32

I use a 300, so maybe its different, but that has been my experience. I would think that you can do way more with the stereo thing on the 500, which actually makes it even moreso, since the more stereo something is, more you are losing without a summed output.

I have tested with the Analog flanger and a couple stereo delays over the course of a few months now using a mono PA for both rehearsal and gigs. The best signal in this case is using the 1/4" L out to the Line in on a channel on the board. Using 2 XLRs panned hard L/R depends on the summing capabilities and behaviours of the board. In my case, its not good. Using them both in the middle sounds pretty much like the single summed mono out, but not as hot and seems to lack punch when turned up to compensate.



Re: HD500; Which output for PA/Mixer is best?
by CairnsFella on 2012-12-30 19:13:15

tdollaway wrote:

When I was doing a lot of gigging, I panned both channels of the mixer to center. To my knowledge (and I could be wrong), when L and/or R are panned to center it is sending full signal from both the left and right channel to both XLR outputs. 

From what I read above, and have read before, this isnt the case. The pan will not move the signal across the channels, and will only alter relative volumes.



Re: HD500; Which output for PA/Mixer is best?
by jimsreynolds on 2012-12-31 03:06:28

Fester2000 compiled a (slightly out of date now) list of FX showing which are mono and which stereo.   Details are here --> http://line6.com/support/docs/DOC-2099">http://line6.com/support/docs/DOC-2099">http://line6.com/support/docs/DOC-2099 Note that all of the reverbs are stereo and not summing ...



Re: HD500; Which output for PA/Mixer is best?
by tdollaway on 2012-12-31 09:11:03

You may be right. I'll have to check out the patches that I was using back then. Like I said, I never utilized the stereo effects.

Edit: I stand corrected. It took me a minute to think about it and get it straight in my head first. lol



Re: HD500; Which output for PA/Mixer is best?
by lukegeis on 2012-12-31 11:55:42

If it were me, I would run VIA XLR to the snake and into the mixer. I try as often as possible to not use DI boxes or any other impedence exchanging devise. You have the ability to create a patch that can work for the intended output. Thta is what I would use. If the intended and primary scource is going to be the Band mixer, I would set up to run directly into that VIA XLR. this keeps things simple and no other devises are needed.



Re: HD500; Which output for PA/Mixer is best?
by Bushman2 on 2012-12-31 14:18:21

I would like to just run XLR to the snake, but after reading Fester2000's compilation, looks like echo delays are ok but digital delays which I like, all preserve stereo signal, as well as any reverb and chorus.

My main go-to patch has all three.

Looks like it is going to be 1/4">Direct box>XLR>Snake, if I want to get the whole signal...

Maybe need to re-do the connection video on the sticky thread. It shows the left XLR to the mixer connection.

Hmmmmm......

Very interesting!



Re: HD500; Which output for PA/Mixer is best?
by bluesmandan76 on 2012-12-31 16:23:39

I'd go with 2 xlr's or the mono 1/4" or both 1/4" outs. If you use just one of the xlr's, your signal is going to be cut in half regarding volume, and yeah, it will mess up any stereo effects, as the xlr outs are intended to be used together in a pair, and not one or the other in isolation. I suppose if you ONLY use mono effects you could use just one of the xlr outs IF you need to cut your volume in half, but that would be an odd way to go about reducing your signal.



Re: HD500; Which output for PA/Mixer is best?
by CairnsFella on 2012-12-31 18:52:29

Not wishing to say this as a real "feature request" or as a true whinge, but its things like this that shouldnt take so much time for people to have to 'work out'. As I say I am Im not askinbg for it now, but it realy wouldnt have been too hard - if only in the software editor - to provide indications of signal flow through the POD including L and R channels for all paths, indicating summing, stereo splits, and pans.



Re: HD500; Which output for PA/Mixer is best?
by Bushman2 on 2013-01-01 11:18:08

I haven't A/B'd the 1/4" vs one (1) XLR to see about the volume drop, but it would seem to me, at least with half the effects, that preserve stereo output, one (1) XLR to the board will be a changed signal compared to the actual signal. And I'm not sure whether panning only increases and decreases volume in adjacent stereo tracks, but are still separate stereo tracks and separate XLR outputs, or not.



Re: HD500; Which output for PA/Mixer is best?
by lukegeis on 2013-01-06 14:43:23

I know that panning both channels in the same direction will yield about a 3db boost in level. Panning both to center will do the same thing too. If you only connect 1 output VIA the XLR the level in it will only change based on what the opposite channels panning is at. I.E if you pan the other channel hard left and your connected to the left XLR, you will have 3db more level. If you are panned in the center with the right channel, it will be the same 3db boost. Now if you pan the right channel full right the level in the left XLR will be -3db from what it was before.




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