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Update Firmware TBP12 - G90
by Peterix on 2013-01-03 02:40:35
Hi, I have just updated my V70 systems to the new firmware. For the TBP12 Beltpack Transmitter there was only the chance during update procedure to choose to update to G90 Transmitter which I did.
On the Line6 Website there is this video tutorial that guides you through the update procedure.
When I switch on the updated TBP12 Bodypack it says G90 and firmware 2.0. Now I am trying to access the new "model" selection for mics and instruments on the TBP12 but I cannot get to the page where you can select this.The instructions for access of the models in the V75 System manual are the following:

"To select a particular equalization model for a lavalier, headset, or instrument microphone, press and

hold the SELECT button until the display changes to the channel setting screen. Quickly press the

SELECT button two more times to go to the [MODEL] page. You will see a three-digit designation for

the currently selected mic EQ model; press the VALUE button to scroll through the available models

– one per click. The model names will flash. To select one of the models, press the SELECT button

(the display goes to the next page of selection options) or do not push any buttons for approximately

15 seconds."

When I get to the channel setting screen and press the SELECT button two more times, then I just change to the next pages in the normal setup menu and I do not get the MODEL page.

Is there a difference between the updated G90 bodypack and the TBP12 bodypack? Is there a new procedure for accessing the model page?

Thanks for your help.

Kind regards,

Peter



Re: Update Firmware TBP12 - G90
by RonMarton on 2013-01-03 03:28:07

G'day from Down Under, Peter...

I don't own a "G90", but I've had all sorts of instruments and mics running via my eight "V70" TBP12 beltpacks that I Monkey-flashed to V75 firmware early in 2012. (I just love all the voice and instrument "filters" that arrived with the re-flash !)

Accordingly, I'm just guessing that flashing to "G90" firmware assumes the exclusive use of "guitar cable" modeling, so a re-flash to "TBP12" firmware should be all you need to do for access to the flexibility that you're after and that I'm enjoying.

As I'm sure you appreciate, one huge advantage of Line 6's firmware-based approach is that you've absolutely nothing to lose by loading a different version.

You can always revert.



Re: Update Firmware TBP12 - G90
by Peterix on 2013-01-03 04:56:55

Hi Ron,

Thanks for you fast reply. That is just what I thought - that the G90 might be limited to guitars. But I have already tried to re-flash to the TBP12 and that was not possible.

Kind regards,

Peter



Re: Update Firmware TBP12 - G90
by RonMarton on 2013-01-03 11:32:36

Now that I've looked at more details, Peter...

Replacements for the two are both listed as being "TBP12" beltpacks, but the "Replacement for G50/G90" has a different part number, (albeit at the same price) which I think confirms your suspicion that it is indeed a separate model solely intended for "pick-up and Guitar Cable" applications, with hardware that's accordingly not "re-flashable" for the additional modeling.

I am, however, certain that (if funds permit) you could buy this additional TBP12  https://www.globalfulfillment.net/gfsnet/line6/10Expand.aspx?ProductCode=98-033-0041 which will work beautifully into your existing Relay receiver to both give you the versatility you seek and also allow the "pre-rigging" of another instrument or vocal mic for a virtually instant on stage switch-over.

You'd also need to cover the cost of whatever additional XLF or guitar jack to TA4F adapter cables you'd need for the other applications.

Here are the ones I'm currently using:

https://www.globalfulfillment.net/gfsnet/line6/10Expand.aspx?ProductCode=97-000-0001

http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/WA304/

http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/WA310/



Re: Update Firmware TBP12 - G90
by Peterix on 2013-01-03 11:46:53

Thanks very much for dealing with my problem. I have again tried to re-flash the unit but I am not offered an option to go back to TBP12.

I think I will follow your advice and get an additional Bodypack with the current firmware and EQ-Models. This will solve the dilemma and also give me the easier handling of two bodypacks when using more than one instrument.

All the best,

Kind regards from Germany to Down Under,

Peter



Re: Update Firmware TBP12 - G90
by RonMarton on 2013-01-03 11:57:47

In which case Thomann are probably the most convenient source of both TA4F cables and the additional bodypack, ...but you will need to make absolutely certain that they supply the "standard" TBP12, not this identically priced "G" version:

http://www.thomann.de/de/line6_tbp_12.htm



Re: Update Firmware TBP12 - G90
by dboomer on 2013-01-03 12:07:54

Hi, I have just updated my V70 systems to the new firmware. For the TBP12 Beltpack Transmitter there was only the chance during update procedure to choose to update to G90 Transmitter which I did.

Once you have done that there is no going back.  It will now always have the G90 features.

Not really much of a problem as either way it will automatically switch over from guitar cable to mic and then back depending on what you plug in.  You just wont get any of the built-in models.



Re: Update Firmware TBP12 - G90
by Peterix on 2013-01-03 12:32:35

Thanks for the information. But can you say why there was only the option of going for the G90 or no upgrade at all with my given bodypack? After all the bodypack was sold als part of a lavalier system and not with a G90-receiver.

Regards,

Peter



Re: Update Firmware TBP12 - G90
by dboomer on 2013-01-03 15:18:57

I can't explain it.  I've upgraded probably a hundred of them and have never seen it come up that way in Monkey.  Sometimes you have to scroll a bit to see all the options.



Re: Update Firmware TBP12 - G90
by Peterix on 2013-01-03 23:13:47

I did look for the V-70 bodypack but my bodypack was not recognized as such during upgrade procedure. The serial number of the transmitter is (21) DBV0M6143001298, if this helps.



Re: Update Firmware TBP12 - G90
by dboomer on 2013-01-04 07:17:16

The menu of possible choices automatically comes up when you plug in any V75 as the interface.  Monkey can't tell what transmitter you have.  That's why the menu comes up.

If you plug in your V75 do you not get the full menu now?



Re: Update Firmware TBP12 - G90
by Peterix on 2013-01-04 09:14:40

I have always had the full menu but when I chose the V70-Bodypack for the update process I had an error message on the screen that there was no device connected.

Anyway, I have now found a solution with Thomann who are sending me an additional TX75 Beltpack at a good price and that is going to solve my problem.

Thanks.



Re: Update Firmware TBP12 - G90
by dboomer on 2013-01-04 14:25:00

I have always had the full menu but when I chose the V70-Bodypack for the update process I had an error message on the screen that there was no device connected.


Glad you found a solution with Thomann.  But for the sake of anyone else reading this thread ...

Sometimes you will get that error message because of a time out, a computer hiccup or most commonly if the receiver doesnt pick up the transmitter because of placement along the antenna.  When this happens you just escape out and start over.

However now that you have a "dedicated" TBP12 you will now always see it if you try to select anything other that what the transmitter is setup as, e.g. V75, V55, G90, etc




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