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Did my first gig last night
by MickKnipfler on 2013-02-02 02:34:41

OK so last night I did my first gig using my Hd500 through a PA system.  I have my own PA  so just used half of it behind me where a guitar amp would have been.  Yke clean tones worked quite well but I can't say I was particularly impressed by the crunch or lead tones.  I just found them a bit unfocussed and 'fizzy' not really dynamic enough or cutting through.  If I turned the volume up, they were kind of too loud but you couldn't hear them if that makes sense.  Early days though so it it really  cse of tweaking them and trying different settings to find something I'm happy with?



Re: Did my first gig last night
by JimKidd on 2013-02-02 09:15:17

You might read meambobbo's tone guide.

http://foobazaar.com/podhd/toneGuide/

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Re: Did my first gig last night
by PremiumJones on 2013-02-02 10:41:55

I moved to FRFR about 8 months ago. I have found that you really NEED to tweak to the tones you will use live, at live volume, AND with the full band playing.

If you take some time t do this, you will be much happier with your live FRFR tones.



Re: Did my first gig last night
by joel_brown on 2013-02-03 06:10:11

Too many guitarists even with traditional rigs, meaning Tube Amps and foot pedals, have the same problem you just described.  Tweaking in tone, no matter what you're using, takes time, effort, and some skills.

Just like PremiumJones said "you really NEED to tweak to the tones you will use live, at live volume, AND with the full band playing". 

What sounds great by itself usually doesn't work well with everyone else.  Couple things I usually notice when I hear about these situations is the use of too much reverb, too much delay, and too much of the muddy midrange frequencies - usually something in the 300 to 800hz range is out of whack.  Also bass guitar frequencies typically step on the guitar.  Meaning the bass player needs to work with you so he EQs his stuff correctly too.

An average band that has great tone sounds great.  A great band with crappy tone always sounds like crap.



Re: Did my first gig last night
by MickKnipfler on 2013-02-06 09:09:06

Thanks for the tips guys.  Coming from Mesaa Boogie amps, my expectations are also high I guess.  I will persevere though.  I am amping through an Allen Heath desk into an HK Audio Elias system so can't plame the amplification (although it may be a little clinical and unforgiving.  The reason I am going this route is that I also play sax and am looking to take one amp along for guitar and sax.

Things couldn't have been that bad though, I had some nice comments about my playing and the guitar sound.

I have lots of backing tracks.  Maybe I should play along with some of them to improve my patches and then tweak them with the band.

I have another question, am I better using XLRs into the mixer or jack leads?  Or doesn't it matter?  I assumed XLRs would be less noisy as they are balanced.



Re: Did my first gig last night
by Bushman2 on 2013-02-06 09:38:19

"I have another question, am I better using XLRs into the mixer or jack leads? Or doesn't it matter? I assumed XLRs would be less noisy as they are balanced."

If your PA is run in stereo, (most aren't) the two XLR's will give you stereo output.

If your PA is mono, the XLR's will be summed to mono by the PA, which would be a waste of a mixer channel, since you can use the L-mono from your HD500 and get the same thing from it, and use only one mixer channel.

XLR outputs from the HD500 never sum to mono.

I use the L-mono out to a directbox to the PA. Works well.



Re: Did my first gig last night
by spaceatl on 2013-02-06 09:39:57

crunch is not cutting right in the mix...For me, it usually means back off the drive a couple of hairs and/or perhaps bump up mids...

....If your runs are over 20 feet long, I would say go XLR and balance the runs...otherwise, I don't think it will matter all that much...



Re: Did my first gig last night
by MelThorpe on 2013-02-06 11:51:07

Fizzy usually means too much gain in my experience. Also maybe a little too much presence/treble. I find myself dialing back the gain quite often live. Even with a nice tube amp. I found ti doesnt take much to get rid of the fizz at live volumes with a full band. Just a couple of percent deoes wonders.



Re: Did my first gig last night
by Inerzia on 2013-02-06 15:04:58

There's no need for a directbox if using an XLR output



Re: Did my first gig last night
by MickKnipfler on 2013-02-06 15:57:48

Bushman, my PA is stereo.  If I use 2 XLRs, I use 2 mic channels.  Alternatively, I can go jacks into a stereo chanel.

Thanks for the other comments guys



Re: Did my first gig last night
by MickKnipfler on 2013-02-22 09:39:49

If I want to use my HD500 through a guitar amp rather than a PA and not use the amp modelling, can I just change the 1/4" out switch to 'amp'?



Re: Did my first gig last night
by MelThorpe on 2013-02-22 09:47:45

I use the L/Mono 1/4" out into the Effects return of my tube amp. This allows me to only use the power section of the tube amp and bypass the preamp section. Yes switch it to amp.

--Mike



Re: Did my first gig last night
by MickKnipfler on 2013-02-22 10:00:16

OK but if I want to use the full mesa boogie amp and have the HD500 act as just a stomp box?



Re: Did my first gig last night
by dbagchee on 2013-02-22 10:18:27

Yeah you'll still want to use the "amp" setting.



Re: Did my first gig last night
by MickKnipfler on 2013-02-22 10:21:28

OK cheers



Re: Did my first gig last night
by MelThorpe on 2013-02-22 10:37:52

I would also make sure your output settings are set to combo stack front if you are going to use it like stomp boxes in front of your amp. When I use mine into the effects return I have the output settings set to combo power amp.

--Mike




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