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First off, you don't need a Fender Bassman model since there are already two Bassman models there. The Tweed Blues Norm and Tweed Blues Bright are Bassman models. Secondly, it doesn't do any good to post such things here as the only place that is refered to by Line 6 would be on their Ideascale site. Here's a list of what models are currently in the Helix and the amps they are based on. https://helixhelp.com/

Well, we did FINALLY get an improved tuner..:-)....but I get it. I'm personally hoping that with all the back end improvements, we can finally get polyphonic pitch shifting! Not mocking! It's not like I never use the high gain amps. One of my favorite Amplitube sims is the Randall Warhead. Although I'm not all that fond of most metal, the tones that the better metal guys (like Ola) get is the logical next step in rock after The Who and Tony Iommi. But, just like a TS in front of a Bassman or a Deluxe covers most of what we need for blues, a TS in front of a Recto or the 2204 Mod (or the Badonk) covers a big chunk of metal. It's not rocket science. We all want new amps, especially our favorites. There's no need to belittle each other's wants (after all, this isn't Gearslutz!). We're all just a bunch of little kids who ALWAYS want new toys! And then, of course there's the Holy Grail - the mythical Dumble, no two of which are the same, but EASILY identifiable in any mix by a TRUE tone aficionado....... Speaking of Amplitube - wouldn't it be cool if L6 could model the DETAILS of our favorite amps (instead of jamming them all into a generic format) using their tech to make them sound REALLY GOOD? And MERRY CHRISTMAS too!

I didn´t mean anything personal against the OP... But many times I had to stand people bashing our desire for high gain amps and mocking at us metalheads for complaining the scarce availability of metal amps in the Helix... They just use a couple clean amps without effects and they request for some golden, rare, "lost in the 50s memorabilia trunk" boutique amp to be modeled when they can`t recognize that 99,9% of the Helix users don`t give a flying sh@it about it... How long have we been asking for the german high gain beasts, the new version of the criminally insane Californian amp, the italian american rack versions of the JCM 800, the Evil Randy amp... According to Benadrian it takes a whole month to model a full amp!!!! Come on!!!! Ever since the POD X3 got outdated and the HD came there was a significant stripdown of the metal amps... Even though there have been great additions like the Archetype Lead and the Fatality, I feel that we metalheads are in the middle of a losing game against the clean amp guys... Of course it`s not a war... And I do know next update will bring some goodies for us... But more clean amps in the Helix sounds like a very bad joke to me... No offense to the OP. Season greetings. Happy Winter Solstice...

Look at Chad Carouthers videos on youtube. he made some Helix Bass Synth presets

For sure keep trying. Native is often a pain to download and authorize. For downloading, maybe a server issue as phil mentions. And make sure you are downloading the right platform (Mac or PC) as they appear next to each other on the download page. When authorizing, sometimes you have to monkey around with logging in to your account. In my case (on Mac), 1.71 said I was authorized but reported a "communications error" and the software was greyed out. The fix for me was to temporarily turn off my firewall and network monitor. Sometimes you have to sign out and sign in (use the gear icon in the lower left of 1.70 plug to get to the authorization tabs). Some users have had to resort to de-authorizing and reauthorizing their computer, but I would only use that as a last resort, and would open a ticket before going there.

You just download and install the Native 1.71 installation package. The downloads link is working for me... It sounds like perhaps there was an issue communicating with the Line 6 server in your previous attempt. They may have been updating something. I'd try it once more.

@SeaRefractor You're absolutely right. Seems resolved now.

Helix Native sounds just like a physical Helix (I own both)... providing it's played through the same speaker setup. I also own an HD500 which is now my backup... YES, the Helix sounds better. The HD500 as an interface should not be imparting any of it's own tone into the signal... there is nothing to worry about there. The setup you have would be great for home/studio use. If you ever get to the point of playing live, that's when the hardware version of the Helix comes in very handy. You don't generally want to haul a laptop off to a gig :)

Well, let's agree to disagree :). I didn't mean to start an argument or something. I can't back this up with measurements, but with my Helix unit and my amps, I can hear a clear difference in the noise level between the two output types (I bypass the volume knob). I wouldn't be surprised if this was subject to variation from unit to unit - with a S/N ratio in the 140 dB range I'd say there's room for a variance of a few dB. Not to forget, with an amplifier where the gain stages usually have a µ of 80 to 100 every dB difference in noise will be audible. I just wanted to offer another way of doing it. I also do the 4CM thing different from the templates because my amps' loops operate a line level and it makes more sense to me to use the ins and outs as I described above.

@codamedia @amsdenj @soundog @datacommando this is awesome seeing variety of opinions. I will certainly try them all! Thanks guys. Will update you as soon as I find the best solution that works for me by trying and combining all the above. Merry Xmas.

Sorry to repeat myself here, but that's not always true. In front of a high gain tube amp there can be a noticable difference. It's not huge, but you can hear it. Both the main outs and the sends have pretty low noise floor (and there's no audible difference) in front of a clean amp or a FRFR rig, but with some high gain tube amps both output types can exibit quite some hiss, and the main outs do that just this little noticable bit less.

I am a bass player. We're probably in the minority here. I think Line 6 should proactively promote the Stomp as the perfect Helix for bassists. I am really loving mine, and hope that Line 6 understands this marketing demo and continues to grow its capabilities for us. We don't generally run as many effects as a guitarist, nor are we necessarily concerned about changing preset mid song and issues with trails or spillover. So, the 6 block limit isn't too restrictive, other than running separate paths/outputs to FOH and stage amp.

Good questions. The gold standard for a modeling device is either direct into a venue's PA or a flat response speaker system such as Line 6's own Powercab series (https://line6.com/powercab/). Essentially, those let your modeler become the complete tonal machine with your speaker being where that sound is output exactly as the modeler intended (or if not exactly, with as little coloration as possible). In order of greatness, modeling options are: 1. PA or FRFR (i.e. full range/flat response) 2. Amp with an effects loop. 3. Amp without effects loop. The problems with 2 and 3 are that, while all rules can be broken in some scenarios, GENERALLY you don't want to stack amps upon amps, and you generally don't want time based effects prior to distortion and amp processing. Modeling software, particularly Line 6, does some GREAT amps - but if you have option 2 or 3 you're left out in the cold using them because the existing amp is already there, and you'd be stacking the modeled amp upon that one. So, most people using 2 or 3 would want to leave the modeled amp on the Firehawk turned off. With option 2, by using a four cable method (guitar in to Firehawk through pre amp effects such as compressor and distortion >>>> out of Firehawk out into amp >>> out amp effects loop into Firehawk in >>>> through Firehawk post amp effects like delay and reverb >>> out Firehawk and back in to effects loop of amp >>>> out amp's cab to your ears) your modeler can still take full advantage of pre and post amp effects. With option number three your modeler is largely stuck just doing pre amp effects, such as compressor and distortion, which is a lot more limiting and you're not getting near as much bang for your buck. Sometimes you can rig some pretty cool purely wet stuff (i.e. guitar + effects added) going from your modeler into the amp's auxiliary in for playing along to music, but that can take a ton of fine tuning and is far from perfect. Your mileage and enjoyment on that may vary. Unfortunately, amps with effects loops seem to be drying up as more and more amps go for being modelers of their own to some extent and don't see a need to attach one. This is tragically even the case with Line 6's own Spider series which, as awesome as it is, even the most expensive models do not have an effects loop. It's for this reason that my advice to you would be that if you are even remotely interested in buying the Firehawk, if you choose to buy anything to go along with it steer clear of an amp with or without an effects loop and instead purchase a solid FRFR speaker system you can be happy with (Headrush makes the most affordably and solidly decent one that I'm aware of, though my ears give a slight preference to the Powercab). That way you get all the juice possible from your modeler, and if by chance you fall in love and wish to dive in even deeper with some Helix model in the future, you already have future proofed yourself with the FRFR system and you won't need to buy something else yet again. Edit: On a final note, the other HUGE advantage to an FRFR speaker is it's just stupidly easy. You connect your guitar into the Firehawk, and a cord out from the Firehawk into the FRFR speaker. Done, and with only two cords.

Hi, Thanks for the feedback. I wasn't believing anything, I was asking people who already have the Helix to get some confirmation from them. The "other guy" down the road (FA Axe-Fx iii) - DOES have an effect much like the Boss VO-1, so it is possible. So I'm disappointed here. While I get that no unit can be everything to everyone; since there's a truly a stomp box pedal (the Boss VO-1) that does this, it does seem like they could incorporate this into the unit. As far as vowel sound "formants" are concerned, again there are, and have been pedals like the Mobius that provide this effect, so it seems they should be able to incorporate this effect. What they have in there now is pretty lame based on the videos I've seen. Disappointed in Denver ;-(

This is not black and white! You need to understand, it is quite common that with certain setups the HX units can introduce more noise than it may with YOUR setup. It is not measurable unless you have the same gear everyone else does. There are many people that have noise issues, there are many that do not, and the topic has been discussed ad nauseam in these forums. It is NOT simply a case that these people are hearing things, or don't know how to setup their gear! Now take that same procedure into a music store and test 20 different physical amps instead of testing with amp models in the Helix :)