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  1. UPDATE
    I recently installed the new Mark II upgrade to my Spider V and the associated Spider V Remote program for Windows. Both installations were completed without incident. I did not do a factory reset on the Spider so all the presets I developed remained in place.

     

    Good News

    I was looking forward to testing out the new "Classic" speaker mode and was pleased with the results.  To my ear, the new mode (or the old way of doing things) sounds much throatier; it has more guts that I suspect will "cut the mix" even better. I found it mildly surprising that there was no appreciable change in the volume level between the two modes.

     

    New Speaker Mode Setup

    In the Spider V Remote program, if not already displayed, open the setting selection panel by clicking the ">>" button. Click the "AMP" tab, then select the setting to modify. To change the Speaker mode, in the right panel, click the "Amp" button in the effects chain for the selected setting. Now click the "Cab" button to the right of the name. The third option is "Speaker" which can be set to either "Full Range" (with tweeter) or "Classic" (without tweeter).

     

    Bad News
    If you have been using the above method to modify Spider settings, you will discover that your chosen "Speaker" mode is not saved in the exported file! The only time the "Speaker" mode is saved to your computer is when the "Backup" option (bottom of the left panel) is selected and all settings are written to a backup file (with file extension ".svl6a" on Windows). A backup file cannot be easily edited because it is compressed.

     

    The Workaround
    Until Line 6 fixes this issue by including the "Speaker" mode option in an export file, you can easily add it in yourself. Select the setting you wish to save, then click the "Export" button in the top right of the left panel. The setting is saved to a file with the name of the setting (and file extension ".svl6p" on Windows). Manually edit the exported file to include the missing "@speakermode" option. A value of "true" means "Full Range" and "false" means "Classic".

     

    For a "Classic" speaker mode in a setting:

       "global" : {
        "@pedal2assign" : false,
        "@speakermode" : false,
        "@tempo" : 132.0,
        "@tweakgroup" : "fx2",
        "@tweakmax" : 0.70,
        "@tweakmin" : 0.10,
        "@tweakparam" : "@mix"
       },

    Of course, you can also simply edit an existing exported settings file to include the new "@speakermode" parameter.

     

  2. UPDATE
    I'm finding the volume boost provided by the Boost+EQ (BEQ) effect to sound harsher
    and have more noise (hiss) than I prefer. So, I've changed to pushing the built-in PEQ
    as far as possible first (e.g. +12db lo shelf, +10db lomid, +10db himid, +8db hi shelf) then
    setting the BEQ gain to max and backing off the freq bands far enough to eliminate noise
    and harshness.

     

    Haven't played the new settings out yet, but I'm optimistic!

     

    lumper:
    I had the FBV1, it works, but I got tired of the messed up tuner display.

     

    I set up my tones the same way L6 does some of their built ins. Start with a "baseline" tone (amp/cab/eq).
    Save it in a bank as say "Clean". Take the same baseline add effects (e.g. dist) and save it in
    the same bank as say "Lead". The bottom buttons on the FBV are easier for me to find quickly as well.


    COOL TWEAK
    In the Spider V Remote program, when you choose the "Export Tone from Spider V 120" under the
    "Load/Save" button, the tone is saved as a file with the name of the tone and a ".svl6p" extension (in Windoze).

    The nifty thing is, its just a formatted text file. That means you can export the tone to disk, change
    it using any old editor, and import the modified tone.

     

    The file format may seem a little daunting at first but it really quite simple. It is a bunch
    of grouped "Name:Value" pairs. For example, here is a tone group that sets up a "Meza" amp and cab:

     

      "tone" : {
       "amp" : {
        "@model" : "TreadplateDual",
        "@volume" : 1.0,
        "Bass" : 0.40,
        "Gain" : 0.05,
        "Mid" : 0.50,
        "Presence" : 0.90,
        "Treble" : 0.40
       },
       "cab" : {
        "@mic" : 3,
        "@model" : "4x12TreadplateStudio",
        "Level" : 0.0
       },

     

    Note the "Mid" Name/Value pair. It is setting the Mid tone control for the amplifier at the 12 o'clock
    position, or half (0.5) way.

     

    If you are careful to change only Values (right hand side of the colon) in the file, you'll have no problems.

     

    Now, the bad news is that what the Value associated with a Name in the export file is actually controlling  
    may not be intuitively obvious. The PEQ effect is probably the worst offender. Here is the relationship
    between what the Remote program is showing and its associated Name in the export file:

    Remote         File
    ------         ----
    Lo Shelf Freq  Low
    Lo Shelf Gain  gain
    Lo Mid Freq    LMid
    Lo Mid Gain    gain.1
    Hi Mid Freq    HMid
    Hi Mid Gain    Gain
    Hi Shelf Freq  Hi
    Hi Shelf Gain  gain.2

     

    The "cab" group is also a bit confusing. Remember normally the cabinet can only be set from the front panel on the amp.

    Panel          File
    -----          ----
    Mic            mic (0=57Straight 1=57Angled 2=421 3=67)
    Cab            @model
    Early Reflect  Level

     

    Another gem: Early Reflect is how far away the microphone is from the cab in a hard surface empty room. A value of
    0.0 is in the speaker cone; 20.0 adds a nice lushness to any reverb you already have dialed in.

     

    CAVEAT

    The format of the ".svl6p" file is strictly under L6's control so can change at any time. In practical terms however, they have a

    vested interest in keeping backwards compatibility so the likely hood of it changing between firmware updates is relatively low.

     

  3. A Spider V 120 story:

    Had major buyer's remorse when I started working with a loud drummer. I freaked when he said turn
    up and all my volume thingies already read 10. For a change, before throwing money at the problem
    and getting the 240 version, I decided to really start examining and understanding as many of the
    options the Spider V has as I could before shelling out the cash. There are a lot!

     

    Background:
    I'm running a Windoze PC (ver 7, 64 bit). Downloaded the Spider Remote program and hooked
    it up via USB to the 120 no problem. I used the PC editing program with my previous
    Spider IV so I figured the new editing program would be as full featured. Not! It is obviously
    a port from the Android/iPhone version and does not give access to all preset options. Also
    the user interface is rather clunky. But it works.

     

    Homework:
    Get very familiar with the Spider's front panel editing capability, you'll need it. For example,
    it's the only place you can modify the cabinet model option.

     

    Rant:
    Line 6 is not doing itself or us the users any service by not publishing a comprehensive
    guide to using the Spider Remote program and the front panel editing capability. This is a
    great amp but only when one puts in substantial time to tweak it properly. Tough to do when
    fumbling around in the dark.

     

    Front Panel Editing Info:
    This is a table of the sections in the front panel editing capability. Note the order of the sections
    will change depending on what effects are assigned in the Spider Remote program.

     

    Name  FSx Pre Pst EXP
    ----  --- --- --- ---
    AMP
    GATE       X
    VOL        X   X
    WAH        X      WAH
    COMP   1       X  CMP
    EQ             X
    DIST   2   X   X  DST
    MOD    3   X   X  MOD
    EXP
    DLY    4   X   X  DLY
    RVRB   5   X   X  RVB

     

    Name: Editing section.
    FSx:  Foot switch number as it relates to the
          FBV3. When the board is plugged in, these
          numbers show up next to effect icons.
    Pre:  Effect is before the amp in the chain.
    Pst:  Effect is after the amp in the chain.
    EXP:  Expression pedal can be assigned to one
          of six effects. The abbreviations used
          are slightly different than those used
          in the editing sections.

    Some good news:
    When one of the 'hidden' options is changed from the front panel, it is more often than not
    reflected on the Spider Remote panel. For example, changing the Pre/Post parameter for an effect
    moves that effect's icon to the proper place in the effects chain.

    Also all the hidden options are saved when you Save Tone to Disk or Backup Spider V to Disk.

     

    The Solution:
    Let's get back to draining the swamp. First, become intimate with the Post Equalization (PEQ) 'effect'.
    Line 6 (and guitardad123) did us one solid when they posted this video:

     

    Watch it. Twice.  Setting +7db of boost on the proper PEQ frequencies gets us started on putting
    some guts into that lone 12.

     

    Next, in the 'Drives and Dynamics' type panel, find the 'Boost + EQ' effect. I usually put it
    into the FS2 (DIST) slot as labeled by the FBV3. (IMHO, if you're playing out, having an FBV
    really isn't optional.) Start by setting everything in the B+EQ effect to max. Then, depending on the amp
    model and other effects, back off either volume or frequency bands until you get the sound you want.
    I've put the B+EQ both pre and post and can't tell the difference. Perhaps someone with a better grasp
    (or ear) than me can tell me which way is best.

     

    Some bad news:
    The major downside to this approach is you 'lose' one of the 3 assignable effect slots. If you really
    need all 3 effects, I suppose you could try setting frequency gains in the PEQ to +12db. I haven't tried
    that because 2 effects plus reverb is enough for me.

     

    Conclusion:
    I have not needed to run the master volume past 12 o'clock yet because that is Seriously Loud!
    Also, the amp models sound really robust, not like the lackluster non-EQed stock settings.
    Final bonus, I saved a few shekels in the process.

     

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