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2 minutes ago, pierpatrip said:

Maybe sarchasm is such a strong temptation here, too hard to hold off it!

Thanks to datacommando, who shared with the community an interesting delay trick I asked for in an old, misunderstood or not enough clear post.

Seriously, if expert users are bored with common people interested, for a little piece of their leisure time, in playing with an electronic toy (as helix for someone may be), please be patient. It will be appreciated. 

I meant no sarcasm, just that I wasn’t clear enough in my ask. 
 

Sometimes we think we are conveying what we are thinking and trying to do so in as few words as possible. When in fact, we need to add more detail. Which is why I clarified what I was asking originally. 

7 hours ago, datacommando said:

Hi,

That’s true, but IIRC the “twist” effect was created on the original Space Echo by manipulating both the the speed and intensity to create the oscillation and pitch shift craziness.

 

I haven’t felt the need for any dub style echo recently, but you could try assigning the Note Sync (Speed) and Feedback (Intensity) to an expression pedal. Possibly, that way you can recreate the “twist” by pushing forward on the pedal to achieve the desired weirdness, by increasing the feedback and time.
 

Warning - be very careful when messing with this kind of stuff as it could make the earth wobble off it’s axis. Just experiment, you aren’t going to chew up any tape!

 

Hope this helps/makes sense.

 Unfortunately, I tried this and it didn’t work the way the RE-20 does it. I was hoping the big brain collective here might have had another idea. 

On 1/22/2022 at 2:52 PM, DunedinDragon said:

Yes Line 6 has.  Oddly enough it's called the Cosmos Echo in the Delays section of your Helix effects list.

 Maybe I wasn't clear enough. I know about the Cosmos Echo, the RE-20 does what's called the "twist" effect when you hold down the tap pedal. To quote the manual, "

The twist effect simultaneously increases the repeat rate and the intensity, causing the echo sound to oscillate. In addition, the echo volume level is controlled."

BUT the Cosmos Echo is based upon the RE-201, it has no Intensity setting.

I've tried a few things, but nothing seems to replicate that Twist effect.

Has anyone been able to reproduce this effect with the Cosmos Echo? Or something similar?

Thanks

I use Dunlop's expression/volume pedal (Volume X, I think it's called). I had to make the TRS -> TS cable like people have mentioned above. I like the adjustable resistance, its durable, and it hasn't given me any trouble. The only downside I've found is that the rubber base resists adhering to velcrow strips. I've tried a number of ways of fastening it to my pedalboard. Right now I'm using two of the housing screws on the bottom to screw it onto a pedal riser I repurposed  from some abs plastic box I picked up at Home Depot.

Flip the plate over and you get bare metal. I did this with mine, although now I have it back since I plan on using it as my exp 3. However, it looks as if I need to make a cable, too.

I am not sure what sound you are trying to achieve, but I generally run my delays and reverbs in parallel. I don't like losing definition in sound when running a delay into reverb. I also don't have the mix on the delays more than about 40%, and generally run them about 20-25% mix. 

 

I also do not put a low cut in the reverb blocks, but generally run the high cut in all reverbs at about 1kHz. This tames a lot of the shrill in the top end. I generally set the mix somewhere around 20-40% when they are in parallel with a delay. 

 

I attached a quick sketch of how I would try running what you have in Path A, so this is essentially the stuff in your effects loop. 

 

Even though Helix is very easy and intuitive to use, knowing how effects react with one another is not. Since it is so easy to run effects in so many non-conventional ways, our sounds/tones can get way off pretty quickly. 

I see what you mean now. Moving the delay and pitch blocks up and keeping the reverbs in the parallel path below makes sense. Thanks again and I'll be trying this when I get home from work!

Looks like everything up to your volume block is running into the front end of your amp. Then you are running two paths into your effects loop, a "dry" path and a wet path with your delay and reverbs. You are already running reverbs in parallel.

Kind of. It's the basic 4 cable method. Time based effects are in the amp effects loop and the rest are in frying of it. I'm still taking a huge hit from the reverb. Especially when I'm on a dirty channel on the amp.

Thanks for looking and giving advice!

Bill

Can a post a pic of the screen of your preset?

Here's a screenshot of the preset. I'm sure there's a better way of laying it out, but this is my first week of owning the Helix.

I'm not sure I see a way to get the Reverb in a parallel path given that I have it in my effects loop. I put it in the first path and wow what a volume drop. Also this is running in 4 cable, just to reiterate. 

Thanks,

Try running the reverb on a parallel path instead of in series.

If I had a Serial path 1 (no parallel on it) that was full and I had a Volume pedal on 2, my amps effects loop then a looper, where could I put the reverb in parallel?

I also have a delay and two reverb instances in the amp effects loop, so the main reverb is the one I'd like to see if I can run in parallel some how.

Makes sense?

Thanks,

Bill

I have replicated my far too large pedal board within the Helix, using my DT25 head and cab with the 4 cable method. Honestly it took about 20 minutes to do, so simple.

I brought my Hovercraft Falcon 50 head home to make sure what I had replicated carried over to that head. I was amazed at how clearer my effects sounded and the overall presence of my amp was brighter.

At rehearsal last night I was able to open it up out of my 6x12 cab, my band mate's heads snapped back at how clear and present it was. We are a loud band that plays in C Standard, so I was weary that the lower register would be muddy. In reality, I think the patch cables in my pedal board (even though I have an ES-8 looper) were sucking tone.

I have a bit of tweaking to do with the reverbs, they seem to kill the bottom end a bit too much and some general levels, but overall I am glad I made the switch and look forward to less problematic gigs.