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Thanks for the replies. Since we only have one sub it sits on the floor horizontal between the two L3t's and sounds great. If/when we get another sub, we will consider stacking as you have done. Right now, the L3t's are on sturdy tripod stands.

Perhaps a silly question but .... would an L3t on a short pole stacked on top of a vertically standing L3s be questionably unstable? I would seem to me that an accidental knock from a stumbling person could easily topple that stack over?? What was intended to be placed on top of a vertical L3s using the pole mount?? I have a friend asking about it. It feels risky to me.

I just wanted to mention that I do prefer the DT25 Head & Cab over the combo. However, I found the cab to be a laser to the audience. Not much pain off axis but if your right in front of it .... duck !~!~ So .... I put in a "beam blocker" and honestly, it has made a world of difference. Perhaps a bit "off topic" for this thread but I thought I would mention it anyways.

Beautiful amps. At least the DT25 still seems to be in production.

Silverhead .... sent you a PM.

Thanks Phil.

I am currently in email conversations with the president of a large Canadian music equipment retailer for a digital mixer. Long story short ... he said the M20d is now a discontinued product?

Can anyone out there confirm that?

FYI

I have the D25 Head & Cab. It is plenty loud for what I need. I've never been able to use it full out.

I also much prefer the H&C over the Combo. A nicer, tighter sound IMHO and ... it splits the weight up. For me, the D50 would be total over kill but I am not playing the type of music that needs that huge volume.

Have 2 D25 cabs. Stacked or side by they sound great. It is a nice little rig. Totally happy with it. Might get another DT25 head to make it stereo at some point. When a nice deal comes along I'll scoop one.

I will reiterate as I have said before, I took Space's recommendation to get an AVR and I have never had a problem anywhere. I run our whole band through it. A beautiful thing indeed.

If you were using the amps preamp, and the L6, can you use the pod as fx, in the amp's loop?  Or would you have to use 4CM method?  In other words, if I were using the amp's preamp, I could free up space, on the pod, and use it only for fx. 

I tried this approach for a while. If my memory serves me well, (using the Line 6 digital Link) I believe you just switch to "Channel B" on the amp manually and you get the amp doing it's business with it's selected internal pre-amp etc.,  and the POD then becomes in essence strictly an efx pedal? I might be wrong but I think that's how it works? The POD's preamp and output mapping controls Channel A on the amp. Other's here will correct me if I am wrong.

In the end I went back to using the POD entirely as a front end for the amp, just the way it is designed to work, I tried every single preamp in the POD and found something that works for my needs then added the specific efx I needed to various foot switches and that's entirely what I run with. The elusive search for the perfect tone is different for everybody. The amp does sound pretty darn good by itself. It is just about experimenting and finding what works for you.

Reading back through your post, I do remember some threads in the past about the differential between using the POD's preamps vs using the Amp's preamps. Some say they sound the same, some say they sound different. You'll have to be your own judge on that. The Line 6 Digital Link from POD to DT technically makes the two the same but some say not. Check those threads out ... they are quite interesting.

Personally I love my DT25. I think it is technically unique. I definitely prefer the head/cab over the combo.

No other amp on the market (to my knowledge anyways) does what the DT's can do. They are exceptionally unique amps. I have the DT25 and a couple cabs with a HD500 and it sounds excellent. Like any amp you need to understand and experiment as to how to make it work for your needs. The DT's were designed to work digitally with the HD500. The DT power amp input is AFTER the Master volume control. I like my SV 212 as the power amp input still had the master volume involved so you have control. Not so with the DT's. However, in my case, I don't use the DT power amp input (which bypasses the DT preamps). I run the HD500 via line 6 link (digital) into the DT and control everything from the POD. Just the way it was designed to work. Even though you like your analog pre-amps, you may be pleasantly surprised using the HD500 digitally into the DT and see what you can come up with? As DarrellM5 mentioned, the output of the DT's can be configured in different ways. When using the HD500 the DT output configurations are defined by the specific Pre-amp models used (they can also be user configured). It is very interesting stuff but, as mentioned, there is a learning curve to wrap your head around it. If you still want to use your analog pre's then as well as the DT's you "might" also want to sniff at the SV's for their tube power output? Sadly, the SV's are now "legacy" the new fancy word for discontinued but .... can be found used for good prices. Whichever way you end up, it would be good to hear your outcome.

On the subject of fuses ....

in 2015 my DT25 went out. Turned out to be the line fuse (whew). In the process I decided to buy spare fuses. The tube protection fuse inside was tough to find. Here is my thread below of the fuse deal ... fyi ...

Having gone through all this ..... and From My thread below ....

http://line6.com/sup...dt25-head-dead/

The tube protection fuse is the tough one to find ... the line fuse is pretty much available at any guitar shop.

The actual Tube Protection fuse I have in my DT25 (375mA/250V Slo Blo) is a LittelFuse 0313.375 

Mouser Part # 576-0313.375MXP

Manufacturer: LittelFuse

Manufacturer Part Number: 0313.375MXP

http://ca.mouser.com...4H0c833ETykqA==

The Bussmann MDL 3/8 is an equivalent.

Mouser Part Number: 504-MDL-3/8

Manufacturer: Eaton

Manufacturer Part Number: BK/MDL-3/8

http://ca.mouser.com...Tq0cGO5NIGsxA==

One of my biggest fears in life is that when I die my wife will sell all my equipment for what I told her I paid for it .... !~!~!~!~

I agree with Space. The DT amps are one of a kind and offer great tones once you get your head around what they are doing and how to manipulate them with or without the POD. It will be a sad day when they are discontinued. I am gently sniffing for a second DT25 head as a second while they are still around.

Hey Moogary,

I've bought a couple covers from D2F in the US and I like them. I went with another manufacturer in the US for a couple covers and didn't like them in comparison.

However, that being said, there are lots of cover manufacturers out there, and as you know, our (CDN) dollar isn't doing that good against the US.

When I was living in London, Ont., I also bought a Spider Amp cover from "CoverAmp" in Quebec ... expensive but awesome. It was like buying a leather coat. I got the "premium model" and man was it beautiful. I would definitely check them out. They have price options. My experience with them was very good. They do make covers for the DT Line including your DT50-212. I just checked.

I would also have to think there are cover makers in Toronto and/or Ontario?

I've had my DT25 Head & 2 Cabs for a couple (maybe 3) years now. Recently however, due to our regular gig in a small pub venue and limited space in the van, I have been playing directly through the (Line 6) PA via the HD500. Sounds ok, no real complaints. Last Friday however, we had a gig at a larger venue and out came the DT25 ...... what a pleasant experience again. This amp is just beautiful. There is nothing else on the marketplace that does exactly what this amp does especially if you front end it with an HD500 with the L6 Link. I am totally satisfied to own this rig. I think I should start shopping for another head since I have the two cabs? It will be a sad day when they discontinue these amps. At least for now the DT25 is still available and on their website.

Congrats Rocker. If you don't have an HD500 buy a dual foot switch pedal so you can 1) switch between channels, and 2) turn Rev off/on.

Remember the Fender Preset is the quietest relative to all the others. I like it set clean on Channel 1 (Channel Vol up full) and then do a grunge on channel two with the volume relatively matched (by ear) to channel 1 maybe a bit louder (for solos). You will adjust the final volume on Channel 2 with the Channel Vol control and it will be a lot less than Channel 1. Then of course use the Master Vol for overall level. I also found that the "Gain" on the Fender amp setting does not grit up the sound all that much so you can use it at 1-2-3 o;clock to nudge a bit more overall volume out of the clean channel. Of course, depending on what style you play, you may not even need the Fender Clean preset?

Let us know how you make out ....

DT25 Head/Cab is the way to go IMHO. This coming from a certified old fart.

I am with you guys on the 212 weight issue especially when you get into the "old fart arena" ... lol

I have a DT25 head and 2 cabs since the weight is split up, and I prefer the sound of a cab over an open back combo.

I believe these Line 6 DT amps will go down in history as true classics? NOTHING else does exactly what they do. I am betting they will be worth big $ down the road. Beautiful amps once you get your head around the way they work. I still love my SV212. Not the finesse of the DT's but still a great amp IMHO. Yes I bought the SV when I was still lifting weights .... LOL !!! It lives happy in my house now with a lovely cover to keep the dust off. I turn it on every once and a while to prove I am still "king of loud".

I hear what all you posters are saying. We have a pair of L3t's and bags. I read early on in these forum discussions about the "tenderness" of the wheels and how the bags can easily flip to one side or the other in motion .... so I invested in a small 4 wheel push cart and we wheel them in and out of the gig that way. We do dolly them on their own wheels for very short distances but we, (like most of you), are ultra careful. The main deal for us is that the speakers are protected against bumps, scrapes and skuffs etc, both in the van and en-route to/from the stage. After two years of regular gig use, the speakers themselves still look brand new. I treat the bags as covers not dollys . The wheel business is a bit of a flimsy design, but the bags are great as covers and protectors. I am 99% sure our wheels would have broken by now had we been dollying them in and out of gigs. They are grossly expensive so we are very careful. Some of the inside lining has ripped from not being careful enough putting them in the case as it is a snug fit. All in all though, I am glad I have them. The wheels for sure make it easy to slide then in/out of the van. If I had to do it again, I would seriously investigate some custom bags without wheels and just dolly them, thinking of course that it would likely be significantly cheaper than buying Line 6 bags?

Hollatchaboy72 ...

I think your post on 01 Jun 16 might be right on the money? It is SUCH a small market I doubt there is much if any incentive for Meris to pursue this? Supposition on my part I grant you, but it just "feels" dead? I did get an email from Terry (aka Meris) on inquiry back in March 2015 but ... that was 18 months ago and nada has happened so as they say in business, be careful about buying stocks.

Sometimes they just fix themselves and we'll never know why.

For me the DT25 is the bomb. I just love what it can do especially with the HD 500 pedal. I prefer the Head and Cab over the combo. It also sounds great just by itself and of course the two channel thing allows for something clean and dirty side by each to switch between. I am not a big Hi Gain player so I can't comment appropriately on that genre but as an amp, there is nothing on the market that does what these amps do in terms of how they manage the output section options to the preamp modeling. Just stunning technology imho. As I mentioned before, I still like that SV212 (except for the weight). I think it is also a great amp and even though the DT25 gets the goto title, I would never sell my SV212.

Couple things to suggest .... although since you have the HD100 you probably know all this stuff.

1) Make sure you have the latest firmware installed

2) Download the manuals (still available)

3) If it were me, I'd re-initialize it to the "Factory Settings". All "custom settings" will be erased when you do this.

Although I use the DT25 now, I still have my SV212 MKII and I would never sell it. Great amps. You "may" need new tubes and re-biasing to really put it into great shape?

Let us know how you make out.

Thanks BillBee ... I am thinking the Flexi III's are the ones to grab if you can find one? I once bought a Spider I and learned the hard way that the first models are usually not the best buy? The price on this Flexi I is just so attractive. Not sure yet what I am going to do. As I mentioned in my first post, I do remember reading that some folks really like the Flexi's so that's what spurned my interest. I don't really need another amp ... so ... what am I thinking ... lol  ??? 

As with napynap I have not played through the SV212 for a long time but I would never sell it as it is truly a great amp for what is was designed to do and still lives as a backup. I always hire movers to take it places .... lol. It is a heavy beast. I use a DT25 Head/Cab for loud gigs and go through the PA (Line 6 LT3's) for softer gigs from a POD HD 500. I am very impressed with the DT25.

I am totally out to lunch on the Flextones (I have a DT25 and also a SV 212 MKII). Recently a Flextone 1 (60 watt) has come up for sale. I have no idea if it has any issues or not? I do know that there have been some devotees to the Flextone amps but not sure about the differences between the I / II / and III's, and which one is the "preferred model". If I grab this amp it would only be for the nostalgia of it and as a practice amp. I really love the DT25.

So just looking for some comments. I am not sure I really need this but if it is  good legacy buy I might jump? The asking price is $60 CDN and since I don't really need it I would offer even less.

Congrats on the 212 ... make sure you upgrade the firmware to V2.xx if not already done. And the next thing (well maybe the FIRST thing) you should do is put castors on it .... lol ..... I did.