jandrio

my new landing ...poding gear needs 4.16666666666667 (=1500/360) times more full circles :P

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D 

ok, pls let me know when u do

...For me personally what counts is the sound and the feeling when playing. From what I heard until now, it sounds pretty good, but to be honest there is nothing I can't achieve with my HD500. There might be some differences but in the End is all about EQ. Of course I can't tell how better it feels playing it at this time....

+1

... You can distinctly see in this forum that after all the plexiness, people wanted to hear clean tones...

well, here is a small vid with clean tones, as per ur request!

enjoy :)

(hd500 riffs performed by hurghanico)

I'll be selling my almost new HD500x for sure!

how much?

...first drop price of the revised, bug free version

very wise thinkin...

reengineering is always a good thing, provided it ...sounds better 'n costs less :)

i'll seriously condiser a single processor hx600 @ 0.5K :D

...I don't want to hear...  what sounds pretty much like the 500 plexi over and over......

+1

well the pod hx600 might well b a single processor unit with only the sound hx engine 'n without the fancy color ui....

replaced by

so let us agree that sound-wise hx is not far away from hd (at least from what have heard so far), but from the ui+routin+gadget point of view it is certainly targeting the high-end market.

since every pro always evaluates the "value-4-money" bfore investing in a new tool, it remains 4 helix 2 prove it's strengths in the field after official launching....

btw, i agree with nucleux, i do not c how helix will replace the POD series, unless L6 releases a POD HX series of products.

tks jose

what is a 3U device?

what is a 2U device?

.... Sure, let's say the helix comes out and you can reproduce the sound you hear on your device. But at what cost to DSP?

certainly less than 1.5K :)

this is a nice setup ben :)

... but there is an extra something to the Helix tone that I have never pulled off with the HD. Can't you hear it?

tks radatas.

yes of course i hear it :) .

but how r u sure this extra something is bcause of helix, or bcause of the guitar, or the diff string gauge, or the string bad condition on the korean jtv, or the vdi (no input z), or bcause of Sean's excellent technique? :unsure:

the only way 2 answer this is Dean's method:

take a common dry riff; feed it first in2 helix; then feed it in2 hd500; all tech dtails (inputs, signal routin, fx settings, etc,etc, etc) must b well known 'n published...in this way ALL other params r wiped off n' so we will hear the hx/hd sound diff.

otherwise, one cld get this hd500 sound in the studio 'n quite easily shape/eq it so it sounds EXACTLY ...helix-like.

ps

when u finally get ur helix, pls take some time n' post a simple dry guitar riff, the helix sound n' complete patch dtls...

btw, i find nico's patch super (dare i say better sounding than the helix mix?)

http://line6.com/support/topic/14863-helix-vs-hd500-comparison-do-it-yourself%E2%80%A6/

http://line6.com/support/topic/14863-helix-vs-hd500-comparison-do-it-yourself%E2%80%A6/

Part3 of the helix-vs-hd500 is now uploaded.

This time a new "revolutionary" approach is followed: instead of postin ONLY the final wet sound, the guitar dry riff is also provided 2gether with the hd500 patch plus THE HELIX REFERENCE SOUND.

So everyone can download the dry riff + the patch, everyone can compare his own modeller vs helix by himself!

Taking this opportunity, a wide invitation towards every other owner of ANY other modeller is addressed 2 provide this forum with his best sounding comparison-patch, based on this dry guitar riff.  Owners of HD, X3, XT, etc r most welcome.

In this way, we will (hopefully?) have adequate sound samples 2 compare with the sweetwater helix sound demo (which btw is the ONLY sound demo posted so far!).

Especially owners of kemper - axeII  r kindly requested 2 post their best comparison-patches, since up 2day nobody has responded 2 previous invitations uploaded here, on this L6 forum.

Many credits must b given 2 DeanDinosaur, who first invited Kemper or AXE II owners months ago:

Here's a quick Scientific challenge to prove that the POD HD is just as capable as Kemper or AXE II

 

and No it's not a challenge of playing Skills either.

 

Anyone who's reading this thread who has an AXE FX or Kemper can post  a downloadable link to two small files of MP3 quality of 160kbps or above of a short performance using their favorite patch in that device (Kemper or AXE II). The two tracks should be of the same performance, one of them is a DI track,  so I, or any POD HD owners, will re-amp that track using the POD HD  to "Tone Match" or "Profile" the wet track using only the POD HD and human ears

 

  :D 

 

I personally guarantee that I will get you a sound that will be very close and if not identical it might be better and I will post the HD 500 Patch. If you keep posting different sounds, I will keep posting corresponding  patches using HD500 until you have enough to consider whether you want to keep your Kemper or AXE. If you're interested  that  we get closer patches, it would be nice to give little information about the amp or pedals used.

Fair enough?  I think it's more that fair and it's the only way that will give an accurate representation of what each unit can do.

 

Any other approach involving two different performances by two different players will be skewed for very obvious reasons (more skilled player will sound better regardless) . Anyone who has a Kemper or AXE II should be able to provide a direct track fairly easy, but I have a feeling that no one will provide direct tracks because sadly people in general don't like to face reality head on. I don't think someone who spent 2500 or more on AXEII is interested in having his direct track Re-amped using the POD HD coming out sounding the same and better. Make no mistake about it, it will sound just as good or better using the POD HD.

ps

1. Since this post is related with a wide "target group", it might b  simultaneously posted on multiple fora of the L6 community, so pls accept apologies if u r double/multi-reading it.

2. Free download the dry guitar riff here.

Pls note the worn-out condition of the guitar strings, it is clearly audible.  With fresh strings, 10's instead of 9's, o different dry guitar riff wld b produced.

3. Son of Helix patch here.

4. Use the dry guitar riff n' compare by urself!

5. Finally, a message 2 our good friend Sean Halley: when u will upload the next helix vid with demo sounds, pls also provide us with the dry guitar riffs – tks in advance :)

https://youtu.be/xbmvXb4Nbi4

... but I don't expect anything mind blowing regard to the individual models...

 

if they were so striking, would have been already published quite a lot of audio video demos ...

do you remember when it came out the HD series? .. How many demos were released to demonstrate the evident leap in sound quality? .. many....

nico i fully agree with this.

unless we hear more sound demo vids, helix is a nice looking gadget, but sound wise no big deal :)

Is there a simple test that I could do with a multimeter?

i do not know...

just speculating, since u say that the hd cooperates ok with the variax standard BUT NOT with the jtv (assuming all r under latest f/w).

i'm talkin abt the vdi jack (module) INSIDE the jtv, not the cable...

http://www.fullcompass.com/product/429493.html

ok, the ui is super, the touch sensitive switches r marvelous...

but what abt sound, sound, sound,sound, sound, sound, sound, sound, sound, sound, sound, sound, sound, sound, sound?