PeterHamm

12 minutes ago, delok25 said:

Another issue for me I have noticed since my purchase of the HX Stomp is that there seems to be no way run a signal from the stomp input through the 
stomps 6 blocks into a DAW signal chain with exclusive software monitoring.
In other words the blocks in the stomp are not able to be heard with exclusive software monitoring. 
So in other words if i want to run my 6 blocks form the stomp into 6 blocks on helix native without direct monitoring 
activated I will not be able to hear/monitor the 6 blocks from the stomp at all.
There is no point in the phase issues that occour when direct monitoring from the stomp and software monitoring from your daw/plugin host are active at the same time.
That needs to be addressed before stomp is little more than a d/i box thats slim in inputs and outputs (i/o) to me with an additional blocks feature for pedalboards only.
If you are planning on using the HX stomp for any serious DAW work than get ready because you are going to probabbly want the helix native to go with it, more money ($$$$$) even with the discount.
You are going to want native because you wont be able to hear the stomps blocks.
There was never any clear cut information that the looper block does not delete its audio data without a burst of unwanted audio that I have found before my purchase.
When I bought the stomp I did not know that these things would be an issue and when I started seeing these issues my musicians friend return window was closed.
6 blocks is not enough, I thought it might be but it is not enough for me, for the price, for the issues, no way!
After a year or so of using stomp and seeing how slow the firmware fixes get rolled out vs block updates it is not fun at all at best.
Not as much fun as it should be, not as much fun as it could be for sure.
Yah, when it works and how it works and how it sounds can be neat sometimes even great but the issues I have found with it make it unreccomendable for me in its current state. 

If any of you know how to solve these issues I would appreciate it if you would share the solutions with me. 
I am pretty much stuck with this thing unless I sell it and I don't want to sell it, I want it to work for me to its full potential.

That first thing is indeed a limitation, easily solved for people who have another interface, but not so much with those for whom Stomp is their only interface.

If you are doing very serious looping, of COURSE you want a very serious looper. 

If you want to do very serious recording... yeah... the same...

15 hours ago, delok25 said:

Now that pod has all the power of helix you have to realize that pod is helix, its all just writing code mostly copy and paste.

Why is there any indication that this is the case?

21 minutes ago, codamedia said:

Current potential of what? 

Something that currently is not available to purchase and will cost at least $350 more than Stomp...

2 hours ago, delok25 said:

line 01 - "Firstly, I was not looking for high school like call out's from power users."
line 02 - go to line 01 // lol
 
Secondly, I don't like hearing an hour of namm talk hype including top secret block talk just get another music companies pay add on store.

I am not here for brand allegiance. I am not here for cars. I am talking about a firmware updateable device with the current potential of the fractal audio fm3.

Great, so here come's the "why don't you just get pod-go, we have many beautiful products for you to choose from" argument.
I am just stating my opinion and I am sure some people have to agree.

6 blocks is not enough for 599.99 to me. Sometimes you need to get gear and try it for a while to find out what is best for you.

As far as new people looking for the smallest and most powerful I am not sure I can recommend hx stomp as a complete kit.

With 12 blocks it would be perfect.

There are many choices to choose from. I even just got word that Native Instruments is getting serious about guitar rig 6. Neural DSP, Fractal, Boss, Kemper.
Not to mention all the free guitar hack software you can get these days.

I am having difficulty understanding how anyone would not see my point. 2 chips Helix-lt 32 blocks - 1 chip HX-stomp 6 blocks.

I do not want a large pedalboard or pedalboard replacement device. What I want is HX stomp to be unlocked to its full potential without any "governers" slowing it down.
 

maybe you should just stop making music until someone makes exactly the product you have determined is the best one possible...

14 minutes ago, HonestOpinion said:

Lastly if you have the Helix and are not exploiting snapshots(scenes) you are missing out on the compromise that companies like Line6 and Fractal determined would be the best and most preferred way to leverage DSP and existing hardware when their devices were manufactured.

 

 

Snapshots is not a "compromise"... I'm jus' sayin'... It's a feature.

And yes, much of what you describe above is obviated by the presence of snapshots anyway. Need 8 settings in one song? You can do it.

3 hours ago, SaschaFranck said:

 

It is every bit the question. For the sake of the argument: In case two modelers sound identical and in case you don't need any other features than those both are providing, which one would you chose, the one causing lags when switching presets or the one switching instantaneously? And that's absolutely all there is about it.
Now, I have chosen to go with the Helix as well, for a variety of reasons (see "other features" above), but I almost hadn't.

 

As said already, Line 6 have it in their hands to change things pretty much dramatically by implementing certain things - and no, I'm not talking about gapless patch switching but about things that would make it superfluous. But in case they won't adress this issue (which even seems to be more of an issue for other folks but myself), I wouldn't be wondering why folks go for another modeler.

1. They never sound identical.

2. Line 6 seems to be selling plenty of modelers, and are not really, as far as I can tell, staying awake nights worrying about Boss.

5 hours ago, SaschaFranck said:

 

So what? When my ears tell me that something sounds good, I trust them.

I think you are missing the point.

The argument is that since Brand X can do it, why can't Brand Y. I answered your question, you changed the subject.

I'm not saying the Boss stuff doesn't sound great. I think it does. Not the question.

1 hour ago, delok25 said:

The code is as easy to write as this extended paragraph is, a lot of it is just copy and paste at this point for the most part.
 

how do you know this part? This seems like a ridiculous assertion, tbh.

2 hours ago, SaschaFranck said:

 

I'm afraid I can't exactly agree. Less amps? Yes. Worse amps? Not really.

The difference between the modeling technology between Boss COSM and Helix HX is significant.

8 minutes ago, SaschaFranck said:

For whatever reasons, preset switching on the Boss GT-1000 is *way* faster, almost instantaneous...

The modeling is also far far less sophisticated. So that isn't a surprise.

Delay spillover? Fine. You are never getting it in Helix. Jus' sayin'... The only way to do it would be to cut the functionality from 2 paths to 1.

3 hours ago, rogbhw80 said:

The ability to delete Presets in HX Edit. Having to paste over with a blank preset to remove one you have imported and want to remove is a timewaster.

Please implement Delete! Thx In Adv.

There is also a clear all blocks option.

It's the "face mite" of bugs...

4 hours ago, silverhead said:

Just as a reference, in 2ms sound travels 2.24 ft through the air under normal conditions. So if you're standing farther away than that from your amp/speakers you are experiencing a longer lag/latency.

In defense of those who are complaining about this. set up stereo speakers with one speaker 2.24ft further away than the other... it will sound odd.

Yes, such an offset can indeed be an issue.

I still don't think this is a bug per se.

The idea that this 2ms is "Multiplied" by the other things that are going on in a DAW btw, seems to be complete malarkey to me.

This is not a bug.

8 minutes ago, SaschaFranck said:

 

 

That is all fine, but seriously, right now, I fail to see any reason why anybody would upgrade to Catalina without being forced to. Half of the audio worlds programs are still not tested for reliability while on the other hand there's little (if anything) to gain.

Personally, I will stick with Apple as long as my machine (2010 Mac Pro) will be supported (probably for another 2-3 years) and then switch platforms. I will never use Catalina.

Normally, I am not an "upgrade right away" guy, but I did with Catalina. It is a GREAT update, very stable, and for me, I'm using mostly apple products, including Final Cut Pro, Logic Pro, iWork, etc. It is working just peachy. I "had to" upgrade as I was going to a new machine, but honestly, apart from some weird stuff from a few people, it seems like the last 3 MacOS updates have actually been really really solid.

And, fwiw, you will, if you follow your plan, get 11 or 12 YEARS out of that Mac Pro. Try that with a Windows machine. In my experience, that ain't happening.

Tuner in the editor? When EVERY TIME you use the editor you have the actual unit RIGHT THERE?!?!?!

No.

This also gives me another cool idea. If you could determine 6 parameters that could go to the 6 knobs when you switch to a new preset, all from different blocks if need be, so you could literally bend down and change that gain stage on the fly.

15 minutes ago, HonestOpinion said:

Maybe this has already been mentioned (this topic has a lot of posts) but I think one of the simpler ways to level out presets is often overlooked. Don't gain stage your signal path so hot. Consider unity gain - I know a lot of people love the sound they are getting when the 'Ch Vol', volume knob, and everything else is cranked and the output is set to 'Line'.  When the signal feeding your FRFR, guitar amp, or board gets hot enough though even relatively small changes in the levels between presets/snapshots can become wildly exaggerated; multiplied exponentially many times when it hits your FRFR or guitar amp's amplification section. You can still have the heaviest distorted metal tone imaginable, just turn down the output level somewhere in your signal chain. You will still have to make some effort to level your presets/snapshots but you may find the volume differences between your presets and snapshots way less jarring, dramatic, and problematic. Slamming your monitor with high output levels is really easy to do with a modeler, especially one with no output metering. Too hot a signal makes the job of leveling presets/snapshots more necessary and frequent.

THIS! A good rule of thumb is, as you add blocks, if you disable the block the volume should not jump very much from the unaffected signal.

3 hours ago, The_Elf said:

MXR Phase 100, please. The 90 was always the poor cousin of the 100, but the superior model seems to have been forgotten by history!

I had a Phase 100, and the Deluxe Phaser nails it.

5 hours ago, enzomb99 said:

Hello, 

 

I have a bug with Audio USB. 

I have had my Helix for a month now, and I always plugged in my Helix in my comp via USB to get access to HX Edit but also to play music from my comp and the sound would come out in my earphones that are plugged in the Helix.

 

However, now the sound doesn't go through to Helix and just stays on my PC. 

I have tried all sorts of stuff but it all brings back to one thing on my PC, saying the sound system on the Helix can't be "switched on"... 

 

I have checked the global settings and all works well, but I don't get why suddenly sound can't come out anymore...

Just a thought. De-installing the driver and re-installling the latest might sort that out.

MIDI control apps for an iPad might really make your day! Sorry, I don't know the details on them, but they are out there.

35 minutes ago, manix1979 said:

BTW: I used the firehawk for a few weeks... it‘s cool and it works... bad thing, editing was ONLY possible on ipad. 

Line 6 did EXTENSIVE research and found that pros (their target market for HX products) wanted computer editing WAY more than a tablet.

They made the right call.

43 minutes ago, PierM said:

Isn't about being obsessed, it's about keeping signals under control when you move your rig all the time and you don't want to use the volume knob to trial and error your routing.

You will still need to futz with levels even after you get them "perfect" with meters.

I learned way back before I used Helix that my ears and my sound guys ears were way > than any meter.

7 hours ago, cruisinon2 said:

 

Seriously... what practical, real world use would does this serve? In the end your ears and your brain will determine relative loudness of one patch to another, whether you like it or not. Perceived loudness is all that ever matters. So unless you really enjoy constantly having to adjust volume in every different scenario you find yourself in, setting every patch to some arbitrary dB value accomplishes what exactly?

Exactly...

There are musicians, and then there are measurebaters. Musicians listen to music, measurebaters look at numbers on a screen.

The photo world has these people, too. They take ugly photographs but know all the measured specifications of all their lenses.

Guys, you don't need the meters. Sorry you think you do. You don't.

And if you use them for so-called "leveling", you will really get yourself in trouble in an actual live environment.

46 minutes ago, gunpointmetal said:

output meters might not be a great idea, but a "clip meter" as an insert between blocks would be cool....

You don't need this if you gain-stage properly. If you boost every block a few dB you can create problems eventually, but it's hard. Most of the "clipping" issues I hear about is from people forgetting that pesky "headroom" parameter in their delays or some such.