rd2rk

Why not just try it and see? It can't break anything, at worst you'll get an error message.

I tried the MIDI thing and it worked, with the caveat that you can't expect the Snapshot Bypassed effect that's being turned OFF with MIDI to turn ON again when you switch snapshots again. Also, if you're already using MIDI for something else it could get complicated.

Connect a short MIDI Cable from the MIDI IN to the MIDI Out.

Make sure that Global Settings>MIDI>MIDI THRU = OFF.

Set the MIDI BYPASS of the Distortion to an unused CC# (I used 11 for my test, as long as it's not a number used by Helix you should be OK).

In the snapshot that you want the Rotary ON/Distortion OFF set an Instant Command on the Helix BASE Channel to CC#11 (or whatever) VALUE = 0.

Now when you load the Rotary SS it will turn OFF the Distortion, but unless you load that SS the Distortion will be ON or OFF per the expected SNAPSHOT BYPASS rule.

On 6/5/2023 at 1:27 PM, MichaelContour said:

For three of the stomps, I want the existing on/off state to remain as I switch between snapshots. For the fourth stomp, I want the existing on/off state to remain as I switch snapshots, except I want it forced to off for the fourth shapshot.  

On 6/5/2023 at 2:32 PM, MichaelContour said:

Is it possible to have a stomp to have SNAPSHOT BYPASS on an individual snapshot basis, or is it all or none?

 

Another way to achieve what I'm after?

Snapshot Bypass is all or nothing. You can't set it for "all snapshots except".

I do not think that there is a way around this. IIRC, I wanted to do something similar at one time and could not work it out.

EDIT: now that I think about it, I think I resolved it by using MIDI to go around the Snapshot Bypass logic. However, again IIRC, it caused a problem when returning to another SS where the Snapshot Bypass SHOULD have had it ON. Sorry my memory is not better, it was a LONG time ago. You could always try it.

On 6/1/2023 at 5:24 AM, datacommando said:

It’s a Marketplace item - the yellow plectrum icon is a clue, but I checked and it’s listed there.

Since I never buy Marketplace stuff I was unaware of the "plectrum" thingy. Good to know!

Is the JS preset free or paid?

If free, attach a copy.

NOT the preset as exported from HX Edit, the preset in its original downloaded version.

Global Settings>Ins/Outs>USB in 1/2 Destination = 1/4

On 5/31/2023 at 6:16 AM, silverhead said:

It would almost be worth building a robot that moves the mic position in the specified increments

IDK about L6, but IK has such a robot for that purpose. I can't imagine that L6 does it by hand. AARGH!!!

Per the JNC vid - yep, other good reasons to separate them.

Keep it simple or get as complex as you want, Helix does it all!

Notice that he demo'd the "fad" I mentioned - putting an OD between.

Sounded like crap to me :-P!

On 5/30/2023 at 3:20 PM, Smashcraaft said:

 

Is this based on an official announcement of L6?

I do not recall where I read it, which is why I specified "it is my understanding".

I THINK this was discussed in a major thread about impedance curves that ran on TGP in the D&M forum a couple of years back.

On 5/30/2023 at 3:17 PM, Smashcraaft said:

So no need to split Amp+Cab for a more or less traditional usage of chains, right?

I like the idea to dial in my preferred combinations of A+C perfectly and store these as defaults.

Unless you prefer the way it sounds with FX between. A while back there was a fad where people were putting ODs between.

Made no sense and sounded like crap to me, but whatever floats yer boat!

On 5/26/2023 at 11:26 AM, dav1dmaes said:

Command center settings are not copied correctly when you copy a preset.

Alright, so you this one is a ffffd up one, because there is a chance you don't see it until you're on stage and your equipment will not do what you expect it to.

I'm using:

    Helix Rack
    Helix controller
    Mission Line 6 pedal (the crybaby thingy)

Here is how to reproduce:

    Make a few snapshots I use 1-6
    Use the command center to make the EXP toe switch switch between snapshots
    Make this different for every snapshot:
        snapshot 1 goes to 4
        snapshot 2 goes to 5
        snapshot 3 goes to 6
        snapshot 5 goes to 3
    Note that you have to both set press AND release to these settings as it otherwise won't work at all
    Test your setup and make it switch between snapshots.
    Now copy the preset to another preset (I did this via HX edit)
    Be amazed at the fact that no matter which snapshot you're in, your EXP toe switch will now just use the same value to go to every time. There is no distinction between snapshots anymore.

I really hope you guys fixed this, because I had this happen to me live. And instead of the whammy, it went to wah. I winged it, but ffffing hell, I only realized later it was not me ffffd up during the gig, it was the equipment.

I don't have the Rack/Controller, I have the HXS with the ME SP-1 (the one with two output jacks designed for the Rack and HXS).

I created a preset:

SS1 SP-1 FS goes to SS2.

SS2 SP-1 FS goes to SS3.

SS3 SP-1 FS goes to SS1.

In HX Edit I did a simple copy/paste. The copy works fine.

I did a "Save As" copy. The copy works fine.

Attached is the preset I made. Does it work properly on your Rack?

dav1dmaes-1.hlx

The unhelpful answer is "whatever sounds best - no rules here in the digital wonderland!"

If "feel" is important to you, it's my understanding that the speaker impedance curve is baked into the amp and specifically matched to the cab that L6 uses in the full amp+cab block. As long as you use that cab, there's no other reason to care about separating the amp and cab.

I couldn't tell you if having the matching speaker impedance curve really makes a difference, I don't notice it and have always used whatever cab/IR sounds best.

EDIT: placing time-based FX in an FX Loop (between pre and power amps) is not the same as placing them between the power amp and speaker (as in Helix).

Generally, I put the cab/IR at the end of the path that goes to FOH (XLR) and nothing between the split and the 1/4" out to my stage amp's Return, (currently my Catalyst which is in 4cm).

Think of it this way - much great music was made before FX Loops, with ALL FX between the guitar and amp input.

In the studio, most engineers take a DI to the board and add FX in post. I can't tell the difference, can you?

On 5/30/2023 at 12:21 PM, coachz said:

very unprofessional

First, I'm not a professional, and this is not a forum for professionals.

Second, blaming your self-chosen TOOLS is unprofessional and immature.

Third, if you whine a bunch of BS on a public forum you should expect to be called on it.

Lastly, I also made real world practical suggestions for how to get the results you desire.

That IS professional.

If your feelings are hurt by any of that, it's your problem. I'm not at all sorry.

As I said, suck it up buttercup.

On 5/30/2023 at 10:29 AM, coachz said:

That's really a bummer that Windows sucks so bad. After spending thousands on a new 7950X computer an rme audio card and digimax interfaces, going to a Mac is not an option. It's a shame that there's no easy way to reamp it in Windows and have it integrated into recording with other musicians without the terrible latency ASIO requires.  Well thanks for the reply anyways

You spent thousands on a computer and interfaces that won't do the job you need them to do and you blame WINDOWS and ASIO???

Get real!

You didn't do your research prior to your purchase.

You still don't have a clue how any of this works!

ASIO does not create excessive latency. Unless you also wasted a lot of money on an Nvidia video card (though that's necessary if you're doing ToneX captures, in which case you need 2 video cards and enable the one whose functions you need), you should be able to get <>2ms latency from that computer.

What does the video card have to do with audio? Geek stuff, google it.

You bought an RME interface because "IT'S the BESTEST in the WHOLE WORLD!"

If you'd bought the Digimax with ADAT and the RME with ADAT (you didn't specify the models, it matters) you could use them together and with ANY OS and have all the I/O you need.

As for the limitations of the Stomp XL, if I needed to carry 4x8 sheets of plywood I wouldn't have bought a KIA.

The Helix Floor and Rack have SPDIF connectors (also AES/EBU on the Rack). That's how I connect my Floor to my Scarlett 18i20.

I have no shortage of I/O (and ADAT for expansion) and get 7.6ms RTL (below the generally accepted 10ms threshold of perception), mostly because my computer is an ancient i7 laptop. If it mattered (or even if I just had that kind of money - being retired has drawbacks) I'd spend a bunch on a high-end box like yours.

You screwed up. Suck it up buttercup!

So, when you get over being pi$$ed at me here's what you do - dump your fancy interfaces and get something like I suggested. Make sure it has ADAT connectivity for future I/O expansion. FWIW - most people who buy those high-end AIs do so because of the pre-amp specs. Reality - humans can't hear the difference between an RME pre and the pre-amps in Focusrite or even BEHRINGER interfaces. Golden-eared producer types MAYBE, but everybody else is FOS. Same goes for 2ms vs 4ms latency.

To get a DI input for re-amping with Native or whatever place a SEND block first in the signal chain. Or, if you don't need the auto-impedance function, just get an A/B/Y box. Or, if you can swing it, get a Floor or Rack+Controller. Then you can send processed (mono) and DI signals on separate digital channels.

To use your existing interfaces, get a MAC and set them up as an aggregate device.

I hate MACs. This is how I do it:

Amazon.com: Focusrite Scarlett 18i20 3rd Gen USB Audio Interface, for Producers, Musicians, Bands, Content Creators — High-Fidelity, Studio Quality Recording, and All the Software You Need to Record : Everything Else

There are many similar interfaces, take your pick.

Take the L/Mono Out to your stage monitor. That gives you volume knob control of that.

Place a CAB or IR Block on Path B and split the Path so that Path B uses Outputs 3/4.

Take a 1/4" cable from the SEND Out to either the board (if close) or a DI Box (if over 20' away). That gives you a steady output to FOH.

Example attached.

mikeabbs67.hlx

Wrong forum. Nobody from L6 hangs out here.

If you really want the L6 folks to see your suggestions post them here:

Log in | Line 6 Ideas (ideascale.com)

Search first so as not to dilute the vote.

Post your ideas separately. I, for one, NEVER vote for multiple ideas in a single post.

Main outs of what?

Did you perform a factory reset AFTER the fw update?

On 5/27/2023 at 12:23 PM, Tboneous said:

How does adjusting the send and refurn volume factor in when dialing in 4cm?

HX Send to your amp's input too hot (distorting the amp's pre)? Lower the SEND level.

HX Return distorting, but you like your amp's pre settings? Lower the RETURN level.

Level disparities when switching between HX amp and your amp's pre? Adjust as necessary per the above. (don't forget the Helix amp's Channel level)

Other?

See ya later alligator!

On 5/26/2023 at 8:12 AM, KillerVee said:

Hey there. Long time HX Effects user here.

I am thinking about upgrading to the Floor to take advantage of the extra footswitches/scribble strips, effect loops, and built in expression pedal, and more blocks. I also know you can have 2 chains? Not sure I would need that.

I currently 4cm my HX Effects with a Marshall DSL100hr. I use one pedal in loop 2 , a OCD. A volume pedal I use for expression. I also use the HX FX to switch channels on my Marshall via MIDI. 

Anyways, does anybody use the Helix Floor strictly for effects only, no modeling? Is using the built in expression pedal for a wah is easier to use than an outboard pedal?

Of course setting up a few modeling presets to go in direct FOH in case of an emergency would be great also.

Thanks

 

Mine is used like that with my Catalyst (switches banks/channels via MIDI), with ToneX, with whatever plugins I feel like using in a given day and, oh yeah, all by its lonesome with its own amps and cabs.

As for the onboard fx pedal I'm going to say yes. I have a 535Q that is backup along with my HXS.

Once you get used to having the two chains linked for a nearly infinite # of fx (vs what, 8 on the HXFX?) you'll wonder how you ever managed.

On 5/25/2023 at 11:49 AM, toddkc said:

Gain levels will of course vary by guitar.  I still feel like I've had two "faulty" helixes with super-padded inputs.  When I play this preset at gig volume with my strat-copy (with a HB in the bridge), with the minotaur dimed, it's still just barely enough gain for me.  And that's for classic rock songs, not metal.  

Actually talking about the noise perceived by @sdahe. Helix FX models are pretty accurate. If a configuration is noisy with HBrs, a SSS Strat, especially without a RW middle PU, is gonna be REALLY noisy! My first test was with my PRS, which has pretty high output PUPs. There was noise in HB mode, but that got REALLY loud in single coil mode. After you described your guitar I tried it with my HSS Strat, which has much lower output PUPs. The noise was much diminished, but definitely there in positions 3 and 5. Overall, though, I like the preset much better with the HSS Strat. It's a nice sounding GP rock preset!

On 5/25/2023 at 11:38 AM, toddkc said:

Is it just single-coil noise?  Do you have the "clean" snapshot selected (meaning the hum may be gain from one of the OD pedals)?  If you make a new preset and just use one block with the litigator do you get the same hum?

I tested it with HBrs. I didn't bother with my Strat because... YOW!

The only hum I hear is on the Crunch and Heavy snapshots.

In both of those the Minotaur is engaged with the GAIN dimed.

Just like ITRW, an OD with the GAIN dimed is gonna be noisy.

In the HEAVY snapshot the 808 is stacked in front of the Minotaur with its GAIN at 0 but its VOLUME dimed.

Noisy times 10.

Again, just like ITRW.

On 5/25/2023 at 1:58 AM, Smashcraaft said:

Most likely most people will use the offered internal speakers for FOH + personal monitoring.

No Helix I know of has internal speakers. Do you mean the stock cabs?

Some people love the new cabs, some will only use IRs because... ?

As discussed above, if you monitor through a guitar amp and you like the way the cabs/IRs sound through it, go for it.