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On 2/10/2024 at 12:13 AM, datacommando said:

Hi,

 

You still haven’t said how this is actually causing a problem with your 4 channel Helix setup, other than you have long cable runs from the 1/4” outs.
 

Is your audio suffering from interference/hum?

 

Unless you to have incredibly long leads going over/near lots of cables/devices that are electrically noisy then there’s no point in worrying about this. 

 

Plus, if you really do need to have the 1/4” jacks supply a balanced out to your mixer, simply stick a DI box on there to convert the jacks to XLR.

 

These are very cheap and do the job. Here is a very simple solution:

 

https://www.behringer.com/product.html?modelCode=P0176

 

Hope this helps makes sense.

 

Yes I dont want interference/hum as We have a lot of gear on stage and we play small venues.. means a lot of powerlines around, and we record every gig and publish it so i want good sounds.

And yeap that's what Ill do but not with the DI20 but a passive DI that doesn't change the level of the signal like this

https://www.thomann.de/gb/neutrik_na2mjtx.htm

On 2/9/2024 at 12:59 PM, datacommando said:

Hi,

 

I have just re-read your original post and I really cannot comprehend why you have a problem with this?

 

If you connect you Helix to “whatever” final output device, or monitoring system, does it work? Is this causing and audible issue, because if it is, you haven’t said how anyone else maybe able to reproduce this?

 

Suffice to say AFAIK:

+4db = Professional Line Level Standardised Equipment.

-10db = Consumer Line Level Standardised Equipment.

 

Have you considered that using a TRS jack would switch the auto impedance to use the balanced option and a TS would be unbalanced.

 

Hope this helps/makes sense.

My issue is I need a long cable run from 1/4" helix. And I am using the XLRs for a different sound (yes I have 2 singers and 2 guitars thorugh 1 single helix!)

The easiest way to do is using a balanced cable but that can only be achieved if both ends support balanced signals. So knowing if the out is balanced or unbalanced is crucial. Impedance balanced is really just an unbalanced way to connect albeit better than pure unbalanced .

In this case I will need to balance the out with a line level passive DI or similar as I want the outs to be line level not mic level.

I see... but that means they are not TRS! and the post says TRS... for impedance balance there is no 3rd cable a TRS cable doesn't make any difference to a TS right? Why else would the manual ask for TS cables for 1/4" Out?

Its getting interestinger and interestinger :- )

OK So I dig a bit deeper and @Schmalle NO those Outputs are NOT Balanced!

The connectors are TRS and the line level might be +4 (which I don't exactly know how to test) but the connectors are connected in an unbalanced way. You can see they are TRS connectors cause you feel two clicks when putting a jack in whereas a TS connector you only feel one.

Hence the manual saying use TS cables. TRS Connectors but the ring is not connected!

I confirmed using some headphones connected to the output. On a balanced connected output you hear music in both ears (slightly delayed in one ear because of the out of phase of the signal) In the helix both the 1/4" and aux sends only sound from one side of the headphones.

THIS POST IS WRONG! x- )

But you do realise that being balanced outputs has nothing to do with the firmware right? It comes from day 1!

This is not a feature request at all :- )

Here is to Helix 4.0

@Line6Tony:Can you guys please update the info in the Manual? :- )

Thanks Schmalle!

Hi Helixists

Being already aware of this post which contradicts the manual on the 1/4" outs

What is the official info on Helix's Outputs?

XLRs:  This ones clearly Balanced! Mic or Line Level switchable, but when in Line level -10dBV or + 4dBU?

1/4":  Manual says unbalanced... but are they really? Again confusion comes from the aforementioned post. Instrument or line Switchable , but when in Line level -10dBV or + 4dBU?

Sends: Same as 1/4"

Would be sooo nice for the manual to be clear on this. :- )

Guix the Helixist standing by.

Does anyone know any Luthiers that can service a JTV in London?

Its only brigde intonation and action set up but I rather someone that knows how to handle the piezos.

Cheers

Anyone using the Rockboard 4.3 with the helix?

Good catch! Didn't realise..... will try next rehearsal.

Thanks a lot guys

23 hours ago, phil_m said:

 

I read through that a few times, and it's still not clear to me what you're asking for. I'm not sure what you want changed.

Helix allows you to either select 1 output only for XLR and 1/4 inch  So for  Path1 , lets say vocals, I can use XLR. BUT as I use Line 6 Link for Path 2,my guitar, to connect to my powercab, there is no way to select the output of the guitar Path to ONLY Line 6 link, hence I need to use the MULTI selection, which sends my guitar ALSO via XLR.

So in order to avoid my guitar in the FOHI pan my vocals to the right and the guitar to the left in the output, also since powercab takes only the Left channel in as it works in mono. 

If I could select , like we could do in the POD X3, which outputs I can send per channel, I could send my vocal stereo to XLR and my guitar in stereo to my powercab... and get another powercab for a fullly stereo vocals and stereo guitar setup

Makes sense? Attached an image of the current set up

Now if only 3.0 would have Flexible routing

https://line6.ideascale.com/a/dtd/Helix-Flexible-Outputs/973066-23508?submitted=1 

https://line6.ideascale.com/a/dtd/Make-Output-Multi-Customizable/836231-23508

On 6/12/2019 at 10:40 PM, Digital_Igloo said:

The Output block's Level parameter is probably the most transparent place to level presets, but if you don't have Dynamics blocks after your amp, there's a good chance you can just turn the Amp's Channel Volume knob. (It's completely transparent and doesn't affect the amp tone in any way.) This is how I quickly level my presets in the studio:

1. Press the AMP button and turn Knob 6 (Ch Vol).
2. Press SAVE twice.
3. Switch to an adjacent preset and repeat steps 1 and 2. Rinse and repeat.

IMPORTANT! Meters do NOT help when leveling presets; in fact, they often make preset level jumps WORSE, because they lack the ability to compensate for how perceived loudness is often radically affected by your playback system's frequency response, playback volume, acoustics, location of your ears with regard to playback system, whether you're playing with other musicians, how close they are, what notes they're playing at any given point in the song, etc. If you play live, the ONLY way to properly level presets is at the venue, playing at gig level, with the band, with your ears. No amount of technology will give you a free lunch.

How about Peak Leds on each block? at least it helps to find which block is distorting.... 

I play with the Powercab plus and have found that checking each block helped me get a decent level without distorting in very extreme patches.... with many many blocks

14 minutes ago, naturian said:

Hey datacommando,

 

that's correct but I don't want the crowd listen to the sound when I tune my guitar. I want the guitar muted while the mic is bypassing the tuner.

Then select only the output you use for the guitar

for example if the guitar outs on 1/4 inch and the vocals go out of XLR select 1/ Inc and it will mute the guitar only

4 hours ago, guitarsan1 said:

 

NO! You're not the only one who things it's weird you can't ALSO select PC+ presets in additional to editing all the PC+ parameters with "Powercab Plus Remote" in Helix 2.80.

 

I complained about this on thegearpage.net and Digital Igloo say Line 6 intentionally did it this way because they do not want us selecting just PC+ presets! I mean, WTF, I expected it would do at least that.

 

Why? Because that's the way midi works with PC+ (and works great, if I just want to use pre-programmed PC+ presets rather than program all parameters for each and every Helix preset I have.)

 

I hope they change their minds.

Well there is only one thing to it...ask Santa

https://line6.ideascale.com/a/dtd/New-set-up-mode-for-powercab-Select-Powercab-preset-from-Helix/960524-23508

2 minutes ago, PierM said:

I tried to explain it here: https://line6.com/support/topic/48465-helix-and-pc-pair-updated-ok-gos-into-edited-mode-solved/?tab=comments#comment-303026

Actually you were talking about midi connections

I am talking about Line 6 Link ones :- )

For now you seemt to be... but who knows there might be others.... :- )

Its simple

You could have helix tell powercab: Hey powercab when I am in Helix preset 1 snapshot 1 change to Powercab preset 34 for example

instead Line 6 has based powercab control on setting all the parameters of powercab within the Helix Preset/Snapshot not caring about the powercab preset that is selected

Makes sense?

5 minutes ago, phil_m said:

 

Based on what DI said here, I don't think it's going to happen... It doesn't really take any more setup or tweaking than using a cab or IR block in a Helix preset. You just have to think of the Powercab settings as part of your preset. Yes, it will take time to set up 50 presets, but once you do it once, it will be a lot easier to deal with in the future.

awwwww :- (

because of ... reasons?

it's OK... you are right... its just a bit of pain at the beginning... i am actually starting to think its best with more detailed options....

Letter to Santa sent:

https://line6.ideascale.com/a/dtd/New-set-up-mode-for-powercab-Select-Powercab-preset-from-Helix/960524-23508 

4 minutes ago, spikey said:

 

Errrr, no. Do you mean 3 to 5 PowerCab preset choices already available per patch, versus all of them per patch? It's not much work to select what you want and then save it. I don't understand why it's not flexible enough for ya? Very easy to do once you get the hang of what's needed. 

No I meant if you only have 3-5 powercab prsets you use, it easier to tell, by snapshot , the preset number... instead of having to set every parameter on every snapshot.

For example I use an IR with specific high cut and volume. If you could tell the preset number it would be 2 clicks to set up a snapshot.

With the current way, its 5, multiply by 50 presets...

but i gues we can ask for next version

4 minutes ago, phil_m said:

 

Do you have the parameter set to the snapshot controller? Are there brackets around it? It most certainly works.

Ahhh... i am soooo dumb.... of course.... :- )

Thanks Phil!

9 minutes ago, guix said:

But does it relate to the powercab presets? 

I will give it a try....seems there is no connection between the powercab presets and the helix settings?

tried again and if i put FRFR on snapshot 1, save,  and vintage on snapshot 2, save,   when i come back to snapshot 1 the sound is vintage not FRFR

so its not a bug... it just doesn't work.

spanshot 1 ha an acoustic with the amp block muted and 2 an electric with an amp block

1 minute ago, phil_m said:

 

No, you don't need to change presets on the Powercab. Everything that's stored in a Powercab preset is now part of the Helix preset. It does mean that if you've already built Powercab presets that you were recalling with MIDI, you'll have to rebuild them in the Helix output block. But in the end it makes everything a lot more flexible and easy to use.

Thanks, actually if you use 3-5 powercab presets woudl be easier to just select the preset, with over 50 helix presets i actively use, to set every single parameter for every single one, while it might be great for flexibility, its a lot of work.....

1 hour ago, phil_m said:

You can change all the Powercab settings in the output block per snapshot. It’s just that there’s a bug that the text doesn’t always update in HX Edit. You just have to assign them to the snapshot controller, just like any other parameter you want to change per snapshot. It definitely works, though.

But does it relate to the powercab presets? 

I will give it a try....seems there is no connection between the powercab presets and the helix settings?