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Preset or pedalboard mode?

You are absolutely right! I Love my set up. The convienances of the pods flexibility far out weigh the minor pains in the tush. And I get it, you can program your Pod and Variax to turn on and off your homes sprinkler system while simutainiously opening and closing your garage door! You are preaching to the choir!

My comments are far more elementary than that. I'm thinking in terms of using the pod in preset mode vs. pedalboard mode. One thing that has made me nervous about preset mode is this issue of tweaking things quickly. I could give more examples of why and when one would need/want quick access to fx perameters, but I think as giging guitarist, you can think of your own.

I will say this, assigning multiple perameters to the expression pedal can be awesome and a hassle. It may sound great at home and then sound like crap when you get to the gig and the stage is a hollow riser that makes the drums sound boomy and you need to roll off the bass and roll up the treble on your fuzz face so your lead can be heard yet doing so really screws up the sound of the rotary that you have paired with the fuzz face, yada, yada, yada.

Quickly now!..... Pull up the edit screen and get busy before your solo ends! Good luck!

Like you, I really have simplified my fx chains. No to many fancy assignments. Just the occasional feedback of a delay assigned to the expression pedal. For me, far less headaches.

How do you have your rig set up?

Are you using a DT?

if you already know which could be the knob/control that should eventually be turned at the moment, you could save the patch with the lcd cursor pointed already on the specific FX and turn directly the relative parameter multifunction knob when you need to..

 

the lcd cursor position is always saved with the patch when you save it directly from the device (not from the editor)

Sure but how do you know where to put the cursor. In one venue you may want the cursor over the overdrive. The next venue, you may want it over the flanger. my point is that whatever you may want to do a quick tweak on, is not as easy as a pedal board full of individual stomps.

Yikes!

This thing sounds like a total piece of crap. Here is the thing I don't understand, Line 6 or any company for that matter develops a product. In this case the Relay G 70. I imagine that they test the product pretty thoroughly before giving it a thumbs up to move to production. I can't imagine that Line 6 tested the Relay, experienced these horrible drop outs/other issues and moved to production anyway. That would be like saying "F'ck it, we'll release a product that we know is severely flawed, collect the money from our vendors and work out the fix details later, money in hand."

That just can't be what's happening here. Maybe it's that Line 6 developed and tested the G70 and it was flawless. No drops, no issues! Something must have gone terribly wrong during mass production.

Who actually manufactures Line6 products? Is it Line 6 China or do they farm it out? I think they farm it out to some company in China.

Either way, why screw around with these silly Firmware bug "fixes" that clearly don't work! Issue a recall! Give the vendors back their money, fix what needs to be fixed, find someone else to assemble the product. Test those products when they come off the boat and send the ones that perform flawlessly to vendors.

Line 6 might go out of business following my business approach, but hey, they will be remembered as a company that made flawless gear and peoples G 70's will work!

Quality control seems to be the Line 6 achillies heel.

Yep!! I like it! Though, I gotta have an amp behind me. Its more of a security blanket to me than anything else!

You are right, on stage IS play time, not tweak time. But it is nice to be able to quickly reach down to my Xotic BB preamp/compressor and turn a knob a skosh to get that little extra whatever I am needing at the moment. 

Not so easy on the POD.

I am finding that I really only need 1 amp model. I have been using the JTM 45. I can get it clean enough without loosing body and it crunches up really well. The rest of my Pod fx are usually a pair of delays, modulation a distortion for leads. Usually a Fuzz face or a tube driver. I also run an Eventide H9 Max, an EH Super Ego (very cool pedal btw) in the fx loop of the Pod. I also run an Xotic EP booster and an Xotic BB Preamp w/comp for crunch in front of the Pod. No DSP issues for me.

The attractive aspect of using the preset mode is the probable decrease in pedal dancing. In pedal mode, the I can set multiple fx to one foot switch but sometimes I might not want all fx on at one time. And the idea of switching patches say between a clean tone to a lead tone is too much for my little brain.

I mean how do you make quick volume edits in a live setting for 2 separate patches? What about the Clicks, pops and delay in patch loading?

I'm gonna give the preset mode a try. I'll report back what I like/dislike.

Any other input will be fun!

My HD500 replaced everything between the guitar and the pa. So, obviously, I am running direct. 

 

I set all of my patches so that the fx can be chosen by the top row of the Pod. 

I use the bottom row to select patches. Typically a 'per song' patch. 

 

 

But that's me and my usage. 

 

 

If I was doing today what I was doing in my teens (I started young), then if I even bought a Pod, my usage would probably be different.

What fx do you use on the top row?

What kind of music are you playing?

Good for you...

The pod adds a lot of fleability. Almost too much flexibility.

By all means, have fun going through the Pod presets. Some are usable most are terrible to my ears.

What helped me the most was pulling up a blank patch. Pick an amp model wit no effects and use the knobs on the top of the amp to dial in your tone as you would with any amp. If at this point, if your tone is still missing something, then try some of the other editing possibilities.

More times then not, I can get what I need from simple bass treble middle and presence. All of the other editing perameters can create a rabbit hole that can lead to never ending tone tweaking if you aren't careful.

Just because you can play with the bias doesn't mean you have to.

Have fun!

Dream rig user here.

This is an old question but worth re-asking.

How are people setting up their Pods for live use?

I'm a blues/funk/rock guitarist. I have not found a use for high gain models yet.

I connect the pod via L6 link

I have a few effects running through the Fx loop of the POD

I run the Pod in "pedalboard mode"

So far I only use a small handful of amp models

I make a single preset for every song we do.

The problem I have with this "Preset per song" approach is when I am doing an improv.

I'm wrestling with clearing it all out (after backing up the bundle) and taking each amp model and creating a clean, crunch, lead for each.

How are you guys approaching this?

Hmmm ,

Can you provide a sound sample?

Please clarify...

what kind of guitar

what topology are you using

is your amp new or used

Thanx

Ummm... what I said was that I'm able to get what I need. Just because I'm able to do that doesn't mean that you're getting the things out of Helix that you need. I also said that Helix will be receiving more upgrades. I don't see how that implies any level of satisfaction or dissatisfaction. It is what it is. I think you're overthinking this.

Yep! definitely overthinking it! 

Point of clarification, There is no implication. I only mentioned "satisfaction" because you mentioned "satisfaction" and I wasn't sure what you meant.

clear as mud now!

50,003?

Personally, I can extrapolate what I need with what the Helix has to offer. And I know, "More will be revealed." That doesn't mean you should be satisfied, however.

??? Not sure what you mean by this.

Either you are saying that:

You indeed can get what you need from what Helix has to offer, but it doesn't mean you should be satisfied with that?

or

You know that Line 6 will reveal more with Helix but that is not something one should be satisfied with?

So you like what you get from Helix but you are not satisfied and you know that more is coming and you are not satisfied?

hmmm,

Would 50,002 work?

Line 6 unveiled Helix in June 2015. Released Helix some time later in that year.

Bug fixes aside. (bugs should be fix ASAP)

Are people really serious in complaining that 40+ amp models aren't enough?

If you can't get a great sound out of 40 amps and ALL of the other things that Helix offers, what is having another 40 amp models going to do but give those people who want 86 different amp models something to complain about.

I'm still rocking the POD HD 500, and I find something new every time I sit and experiment with it.

It's like we got the corvette for a birthday gift but complain that it's not the Z06.

Updates and new models will come when they come. Let's focus on what's in front us. Dig deep into all that Helix offers. If you are STILL bored and needing something new, something other, then I'll be glad to take that useless piece of gear off you hands whil you spen $$$$$ on the new and improved Megalomaniac Azteca Riffmaster Pro X complete with 50,000 amp models!

Something tells me that someone out there is going to want 50,001.

Yahoo!!!! One of us! One of us! One of us! 

Congrats!

Now get to playin!

Attention Line 6 Users......

Don't eat yellow snow!

Now where is my Free Helix?!?!

Dents or distress? I dunno, the Fender custom shop makes a killing banging up new guitars and selling them for way too much Money!

Question

Can you have mutiple transmitters on one receiver? You know... One runs out of charge, you pop in another and keep the party rockin!

Only 200 amps models? Shhhhoooottt man! What were they thinking! I've got a Megalomaniac Azteca 1500 Riff Master X that has 20,000 amp models, a lyric generator and espresso press with built in grinder! Line 6 really needs to get it together!

I've been experimenting with full models on the POD HD500 and LVM on my DT50 2x12.

I have a standard patch that I work with. Its got delay, compressor, reverb, yada yada.

When ever I create a new patch it starts with the above FX and then I start dialing in the amp that fits the sound I'm going for.

In the past everything was edited through the POD edit software. Tonight I didn't feel like hooking up my computer so I started dialing through amps and fiddling with the settings on the amp face.

Let me back up a bit. 

In LVM (Low Volume Mode) I was using full model amps on the POD instead of the pre-amp only models. My slow butt just now figured out that the LVM on the DT has a modeled  power amp. (Yeah... I'm slow! But I play guitar really well So back up off me!)

Having discovered this, I started playing with full models on the POD and LVM on the DT.

The real magic happened for me when I used the amp knobs on the face of the amp to dial in a great tone. 

Yes, I know that the knobs on the POD do the same thing, Yes, I know that the POD Edit software does the same thing! But there was something organic and special about using the knobs in a traditional way that made a real difference for me. I held my head differently when listening to the amp. The speed in which I was able to tweaked the amp and strum my guitar was the way I remember it pre digital. Pre software!

Using the software involves getting a mouse to cooperate. That takes up time for me. That time took me out of the tone zone and put me into the "where is the pointer on my screen" zone.

For me, that made a difference in how I proceeded to dial in my tone. For me, knob. strum, knob, strum gets the job done better than strum, mouse pad, where is my curser?, click, hold, software crash, re-boot, mouse pad, wheres the pointer, click, hold,  73%, 74%, 78%, 76%, 74%, 77%, 76%, 77%, 76% and then finally the 75% I thought I wanted! I found myself in stuck in I.T. 'ville and nowhere near tone-town!

At this point, I friggin forgot what tonal quality I was trying to accomplish! 

Maybe its just me. Give it a try and see what happens! I was able to dial in some serious tone! Even the Super O is now in my mix!

We have so much at our finger tips! In the medical field a great doctor is brilliant at the basics! Before they push one drug, they make sure that the simple stuff is handled first. Before you start digging into the POD and the POD software, get brilliant at turning the knobs on the front of the amp and then strumming to dial in your tone. You might be as surprised as I was at how easy it is and how good it sounds!

Good for you! You'll enjoy it!

They're versatile amps. I think you'd do well with one. The bonus is when you are ready to try something different, get a pod.

Trying to talk them down from $799? Good luck. It's one thing to want a good deal, it's another to be cheap! $800 is a great price for a versatile tube amp.

With the AMPLIFi, I use a patch approach and organize my patches accordingly: e.g., a bank with 1) clean, 2) clean with effects, 3) crunch, 4) dist.  Bank up / down to get a different set of sounds, with some variations, organized in the same order...  at least using my FX100. 

 

Still trying to find out if the Aux in on the 150 is mono or stereo?  I'd like to run my FX100 as my modeler into the 150 as just an amp...if the 150 dies, I can go direct with the FX100, if the FX100 dies, I can use the modeling in the 150 (...may need a FBV Express II). Backup with identical patches. :)

 

My AMPLIFi kit is sounding and working great for me...though I still have GAS for the Helix.  Dialing in tones is brain dead easy with the app IMO. Maybe someday a Helix derivative will find its way into the 150 form factor ;)

No worries!

When you engage the tuner, on the bottom left of the tuner screen there ar two editing parameters. Knob 2 will allow you to mute the signal.

This is from the manual.....

http://line6.com/data/6/0a06434c6fb051e03e8ab63dc/application/pdf/POD%20HD500X%20Advanced%20Guide%20-%20English%20(%20Rev%20A%20).pdf

Check out page 4-5

Let me know if this helps

Just added the FBV 3 to mine. Very impressed and disappointed at the same time. Check the other thread on that at http://line6.com/support/topic/20363-got-the-new-fbv-3-to-go-with-my-amplifi-150/

 

Many of the features claimed with the Firehawk 1500 are not available. It's is a software thing I am sure. I hope this get resolved in the future software releases.

I read through the thread. Thanx for that. None of that is my issue with the foot controller. I don't care about the colors of the foot switch. I want to turn on and off EVERY effect. I don't switch form a Plexi to a Twin. So I don't have issues with the delay. 

It works well for me. Maybe I don't know what I'm missing!

Ignorance is Bliss!