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A general observation on the nature of posts in this topic - ok it's directed at the people who are most likely to be standing next to the microwave waiting a whole 30 seconds for their meal to reheat and tapping their feet with impatience....

 

Take a few deep breaths and relax - I'm not going to pre-order this damned Helix beastie, just because I don't need it. I never will need it. I may in time want it, and I'm sure I'll be happy with it, (even taking into consideration limitations - what I WANT it to do, compared to what it CAN do). If you need it to be on in 5 seconds, don't turn it off. If you need to anticipate the 2ms gap in between patches then just get on with it - that's what I do, and I don't lollipop about it. These products from Line 6 aren't magic wand driven. It's all zeros and ones, and current high speed processor driven with limitations. Could your trusty old Les Paul/Stratocaster into a couple of effect pedals, and a Marshall amp do all that the current setup you have can do? Everywhere you look there are limitations. (Insert Frozen song here: Let it Go, Let it Go, ....ad infinitum).

 

If and when I buy one, to replace one of my HD500s, it will be because I  know it will deliver all the flexibility I will need to create a diverse range of (Variax) guitar/tuning/amp/effect combinations in order to play whatever the hell I want to play, WITHOUT having to take all the gear I ever bought (AND sold, so that's impossible anyway) - you know what I'm saying....

 

Line 6 don't care if you (yes I'm pointing at you foot tappers), don't pre-order their latest, (allegedly) greatest, hyped to within an inch of it's yet to be born life product. They KNOW their product will have limitations, just as of right now, they're still figuring out just how much.

 

Currently my only wish is that Line 6 hadn't started all this pre-release game of sneaking out some information to entice the snarling, slathering beasts.

I DON'T wait at the microwave, I do something else "multitask"  And though your idea of using a trusty crusty MArshall amp and a strat and or paul, tele?  There are those few people where this tried and true classic combonation simply does not and will not work in an up to date inviroment where, high $$$ pay means,NO FREEBIRD, NO SMOKE,NO AMPS, NO WEDGES, NO LIVE DRUMS, BASS RIGS,KEY RIGS, LIVE ANYTHING EXCEPT VOCALS is the mandantory standard AND your only form of montoring is strickly in ear.  Now this gig is not for everybody, or anybody that has to have to get "thier sound" I need the right amp and guitar sound and tone for the song everytime. Helix and Variax is the new dream rig for these types of gigs which are becoming the new standard,THIS is a working inviroment where the HELIX would be a perfect tool,provided it does not have that dredded AUDIABLE switching delay. And yeah, I'm upset the shady hiding of the Helix...

At the end of the day though IF line 6 fixes the one thing that has plauged them form day one! I will buy two of these units, one to use and one as a back up, and sell my Kemper rig and my HD500's... So a question and a little toe tapping IYO about wil it do or not do this to Line 6, are avalid questions to some OTHER working musicians. 

WE, wait with baited breath to hear...DING! Gotta go...burrito's are done :D

I'm not a Line6 rep... what i'm telling you is that even if they answered you now... today... in this thread here... the answer could change by the time it gets released.

 

and what's the problem with actually knowing once it is released? you can't have it til then anyway....

The problem? Well... If I knew then I could PRE-ORDER a couple...Or not...

But you're right they don't know, I don't know, lol no one does...yet.

So, I'll wait till I can try a "RELAESED" version out, see if it's any different than the one I tried.

Until then, I'll just keep checking my bagage.

No rush.... :rolleyes:

this is a question they can't answer definitively until the firmware is finalized\optimized.

REALLY, So...No, yeah that's a NO...

OR As of now, in testing it's there,that blank audible delay when switching presets like every other amp/pod

SO, we won't know until it's actually released.

tones are great features are great, I played one at you know where , had audible delay then...

So much new stuff and gadgets but IMO not worth anything if it still has that very audible delay when switching presets.

,very good idea, intuitve and usefull for the STUDIO ONLY. I love the new routing options! Amazing! tone's AMAZING!

I need a live rig ,easy to fly all in one unit, you guys are close.

IMO if,IF line 6 figures out that line 6 user age old question any audible delay when switching presets? you'll sell them like hot cakes.

WE want flawless real time switching like with pedals (not getting into your true bypass debate) like with amps, A/B/C and foot pedals.

It's how it should be, LIVE!  I myself have A line 6 MK II combo I practice with at home, but looking to sell it for same reason, switching delay.

I know from speaking with other line 6 users and tolerating the blank audible delay , we love the tones effects, the routing and simplicity and we

truly do TOLERATE that one little but very important and extreamly ignored (by line 6 developers) thorn in every live line 6 amp/pod users side, that

blank Audible delay when switching presets. FIX that one thing FIRST! I'm telling you $1,500 will not be an object for most of the current line 6 users.

Including myself. IF it's released with this issue fixed, I'll buy two, every live performer worth their salt has a back up.

If that audible delay when switching presets is not fixed when it's finally released, it's just not worth the price, to me.

Same ol' pony, just a few new tricks? I wait with baited breath 

I'm not a Line 6 rep, but I'll eat my shorts if the answer isn't "Yes - there will be an audible delay." It's just the nature of the beast.

 

This is the reason why the concept of 'scenes' is so powerful. The idea is that you save a 'snapshot' or 'scene' of the on/off state of various effects in a preset, then with a single button press you can switch to that scene. So, you can use the same preset for an entire song and bring in/out various effects, switch amp blocks, etc. with the push of a single button - just like changing patches, but without the switching delay. It can also really help with balancing levels and tone if you're not switching into entirely different presets in a song.

 

Even more powerful is the idea of "scene controllers" - the abilty to set different values to an effect parameter with each scene, e.g. different settings for length and/or mix for a reverb block in your solo scene vs your rythm scene. Part of the power of scenes lies in the fact that you can reduce the number of redundant effects blocks (especially handy for CPU-hungry effects like high quality reverbs). The other advantage is TOTALLY SEAMLESS SWITCHING.

 

I put it on IdeaScale.

 

There are currently three show-stoppers for me getting a Helix: no MIDI clock sync, no scenes, no global blocks. The Helix looks totally amazing, but without scenes and global blocks it will never be a pro-level piece of gear - if it stays in the paradigm of yet another piece of gear with a bunch of different patches with nothing tying them together (global blocks and scenes), then it'll remain in the realm a really nice, fancy toy to play in your bedroom. Sorry, but serious, gigging musicians quite often want a consistent sound across patches. It's like using the same (gasp!), consistent, real/physical amp on stage from song to song. I'll never go back to having a bunch of patches for each song. I really hope Line 6 gets this.

I have to regretfully agree ....

There is gear (I use live now) out there that's in the price range of this Helix, It sounds amazing with no blank audible switching delay.

And so does the helix but you're right. I hope they fix the delay issue, when I tested it, it was very easy to navigate. unlike my current unit.

the Helix is smaller  easy to fly with and just set up for a performer's needs, quick editing and great amp tones, WOW, impressive tone!

I personally don't use midi other than my BFC1010 and Bias FX to practice with ...but to someone that does, yeah that's a showstopper for sure.

PLAIN AND SIMPLE QUESTION LINE 6....

IS THERE AN AUDIBLE DELAY WHEN SWITCHING "PRESETS" ON THE HELIX?????

PLEASE RESPOND WITH A SIMPLE ANSWER YES or NO....

EXAMPLE: I'M IN THE MIDDLE OF A COOL PRESET PLAYING A SONG AND WANT TO SWITCH...

TO A "DIFFERENT" PRESET OR BANK UP/DOWN TO ONE,SAY A LEAD CHANNEL FULL OF DIFFERENT EFFECTS/AMP SOUND

IS THERE AN AUDIBLE DELAY LIKE WITH EVERY OTHER PEICE OF LINE 6 GEAR I'VE OWNED AND SOLD

VETTA HEAD

PODS

HD500

SPIDER MKII HEAD

ALL OF THEM HAVE THAT AUDIBLE DELAY WHICH RENDERS IT USLESS FOR LIVE STAGE PERFORMANCES.

DOES, THE HELIX IN IT'S SIMPLEST FORM OF AN ANSWER  FROM OYU LINE 6 PLEASE...

DOEA THE HELIX HAVE AN AUDIBLE DELAY WHEN SWITHCING PRESETS OR BANKING UP/DOWN?????

REGARD ,THANKS!

Hey don't feel bad, I'm jumping ship too, it's hard becasue while the tones are amazing, the hardware and support is junk.  it's either my fault or , they just stop responding once i prove the wrong...I've had issues out of every single peice of gear i've bought from line6 from the original red bean ,flag ship variax 700, second edition 600, pod xt live, vetta head,combo, hd100 head, thier flagship digital mic,v-70? , that bogner spider amp, and now? my new mobile in,after doing an update on my iphone4s ,it sounds like pure garbage from the headphone jack!  they say they can't duplicate the issue at line6 , must be my phones jack, told them it works just fine with any other guitar app... they stopped talking to me. unusable! unexceptable, i'm done with line6 too.

OK~ LINE6 GURU'S /KNOWITALLS ... IF YOU ARE USING LINE6 MOBILE IN WITH A IPHONE4 WITH THE ORIGINAL SOFTWARE (NO UPDATES) IT WILL WORK THROUGH THE  HEADPHONE JACK... IF YOU HAVE HAD JUST ONE UPDATE ON THE IPHONE4, IT WILL NOT. YOU SAY IN OTHER THREADS YOU CAN'T DUPLICATE THIS ISSUE? REALLY? OK, TEST THEN. POST A VIDEO, SHOWING YOU'RE  USEING AN IPHONE 4/4S/5/5S WITH UP TO DATE SOFTWARE, PLUG IN YOUR MOBILE IN, OPEN THE LINE6 APP,  AND LINE OUT FROM THE HEADPHONE JACK TO ANY AUDIO SORCE, (PA,POWERED SPEAKERS ETC.) PLAY THE SAMPLE SOUNDS OR PLUG IN A GUITAR AND RIP A RIFF OR LEAD, BET IT SOUNDS LIKE PURE CRACKLED DIGITAL SH*T ,BET!   SINCE YOU GUYS ARE GURUS AND KNOW IT ALL, IT WOULD BE NICE IF  YOU COULD TAKE THE TIME TO FIX THIS ISSUE , BECAUSE IT IS AN ISSUE WHETHER YOU WANT TO ADRESS IT OR NOT. 

MY MOBILE IN WORKS JUST FINE WITH ANY OTHER GUITAR APP THROUGH THE HEADPHONE JACK, JUST FINE. THROUGH THE LINE6 APP, IT SOUNDS LIKE PURE GARBAGE.

PLEASE ADDRESS THE ISSUE~  OR I WILL POST A VIDEO OF THE ISSUE UNTIL YOU DO. IT'S NOT FAIR FOR YOU TO RIP US OFF JUST BECASUE YOU FILL THE PRODUCT IS OBSOLETE, WE PAID MONEY FOR IT, IPHONE MAKES REGULAR UPDATES , YOU NEED TO MAKE REGULAR UPDATES TO YOUR PRODUCTS SOFTWARE CAMPATIBILITY ALSO. IT'S YOUR RESPONCIBILITY TO THE CUSTOMERS! 

I BOUGHT THIS TO PRACTICE WITH ON THE ROAD, I HAVE ONE PIECE OF LINE6 GEAR THAT I USE AT HOME TO PRACTICE WITH ,AND I'M ABOUT TO TRADE IT IN FOR A ROLAND CUBE... I HAVE BOUGHT, AND SOLD DUE TO CRAPPY SUPPORT OF KNOWN ISSUES: VARIAX 700. 600.TONE, PORT, POD, PODXT. SPIDER HD 100.  V-70 MIC.  BOTTOM LINE IS, YOU GOT GREAT SOUNDS, LOVE THE TONES ,BUT THE EQUIPMENT AND SUPPORT IS JUNK.  OH, AND I'M NOT A "JUST STARTIN" I'VE BEEN A MEMEBER OF THIS SITE SINCE IT WAS LAUNCHED.

I just bought one of these , and I will be returning it ... The headphone jack is how I practice, and gig , the issue with it being BEYOND DISTORTED ONCE PLUGGED IN IS A DEAL BREAKER!!! NOW, If you unplug the donegal , and play the sample audio tracks , it comes through perfectly through the headphones , plug it back in and it sounds like pure SH*T!!! HOWEVER this things works with headphones just fine with other software , amplitube, bias , jam up pro, etc. THE BITTER TRUTH ??? Line 6 could care less about fixing this issue, PERIOD!! , they have great sounding gear that half A** works half the time BUT , the worse customer service EVER . If IF , your heart is set on using this donegal with this software , get used to rocking through your phone or pad speakers , because I've tried it on seven different iPhone/pads and it's still the same , oh no it's not my donegal , my friends does it too.

I just bought one of these , and I will be returning it ... The headphone jack is how I practice, and gig , the issue with it being BEYOND DISTORTED ONCE PLUGGED IN IS A DEAL BREAKER!!! NOW, If you unplug the donegal , and play the sample audio tracks , it comes through perfectly through the headphones , plug it back in and it sounds like pure SH*T!!! HOWEVER this things works with headphones just fine with other software , amplitube, bias , jam up pro, etc. THE BITTER TRUTH ??? Line 6 could care less about fixing this issue, PERIOD!! , they have great sounding gear that half A** works half the time BUT , the worse customer service EVER . If IF , your heart is set on using this donegal with this software , get used to rocking through your phone or pad speakers , because I've tried it on seven different iPhone/pads and it's still the same , oh no it's not my donegal , my friends does it too.

I just bought one of these , and I will be returning it ... The headphone jack is how I practice, and gig , the issue with it being BEYOND DISTORTED ONCE PLUGGED IN IS A DEAL BREAKER!!! NOW, If you unplug the donegal , and play the sample audio tracks , it comes through perfectly through the headphones , plug it back in and it sounds like pure SH*T!!! HOWEVER this things works with headphones just fine with other software , amplitube, bias , jam up pro, etc. THE BITTER TRUTH ??? Line 6 could care less about fixing this issue, PERIOD!! , they have great sounding gear that half A** works half the time BUT , the worse customer service EVER . If IF , your heart is set on using this donegal with this software , get used to rocking through your phone or pad speakers , because I've tried it on seven different iPhone/pads and it's still the same , oh no it's not my donegal , my friends does it too.