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  1. On 5/14/2022 at 3:58 AM, SkinDoc said:

    The disappointment of compromise lasts far longer than the memory of the purchase price.


    That's some truth right there.... I got the 100W for the reasons stated above. Not that much bigger, 5 pin DIN midi port... just didn't even want it to be a question. I'd rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it. The 50W and 1/2W settings work perfectly.



  2. I've done all three. Helix to DT25, Helix to FRFR, Helix to Catalyst.


    Let me answer this in a way that might be a little different: let's talk about YOU.


    First off, the DT25 is a dead product to Line6. It's pretty awesome to use with the Helix-- from preset to preset or even snapshot to snapshot you can control the output stage of the DT25. You can get some killer tones for sure. But there's no support for it any more. If it breaks, you're stuck looking for donor parts. ALSO.... the DT25 will always color your tones with its own output section. If you're in a cover band situation we're you're trying to match other people's tones you'll always be compensating for the DT25. I chased that wild goose for two years. But if you're creating your own tones and will love whatever you have dialed in? The DT25 is a killer amp with the Helix and L6 link.


    FRFR: I use a QSC CP12 with 12" speaker. In short, it's amazing. Using stock amps and cabs I get all the tones I want and have a MUCH easier time matching versus the DT25. Yes, I can literally watch a rig rundown on Youtube, set up the same blocks on the Helix and have the tone 85% there. That takes some practice as well. I'm getting better at it. Once you get used to the Helix and really start to understand how it all works a LOT of this "tube amp vs modeler" stuff disappears. So much of it is user error, and as people say, the instant you're in a band mix no one could tell the difference anyway.


    Catalyst: Lots of good things to say here. First, the Catalyst by itself really IS an amazing amp. The built in amps and effects sound terrific on their own. So if you want just an amp and don't want to lug a lot of equipment you've got that. The power-amp in works as advertised. It's an "uncolored" input for the Helix or whatever monitor you want. That said, you're back to a cabinet again so you'll always have that color in your tones. However.... you don't have the zillion variables that the DT25 has so OCD people have an easier time with the Catalyst. You get what you get. With my Helix, it sounds great. I just prefer the absolute simplicity of the CP12. Of course the Catalyst is a current product from Line 6 so there should be firmware updates, etc, for it.


    Hope that helps.



  3. Surely there is some bluetooth adapter that can be parked in the USB port that would allow a cellphone or tablet to connect with it and pass MIDI messages. Time to start Googling...



  4. If you go to the output block in the Helix you will see a DT25/50 tab. That will allow you to control many of the DT's parameters. Connecting via L6 bypasses the DT's built-in pre amp on channel A, while leaving it engaged on channel B. So I guess you could, for example, double up on pre-amps. Many people opt to use the Helix's pre-amps or amps and then use the DT output block to control the power amp parameters, which I think is what you are talking about. You can also save some DSP in the Helix by using the DT's reverb (although you can't change the type of reverb via the output block, only the amount... You could use the Command Control to issue a midi command to set it but unless you need the DSP room it's easier just to use whatever reverb block you want in the Helix.)


    There's been lots of calls from the DT community to add those additional controls via L6 and/or the Helix output block but so far those calls have not been heeded. Most likely because the DT/Helix combo doesn't represent a large amount of Line6's business, but at the same time, how hard could it be? The DT tab is there in the output block, why not add in a few more parameters?





  5. 18 hours ago, bobcoss said:

    I think the Helix DT Amp integration that they put in there for us is very good.   The only thing the HD does better is automatically switch from full amp models to pre, and associate the amp/pre models with the amp type and feedback loop.  With the Helix, you have to know which class you want and setup the output section the way you want.   It's not to hard to figure out what sounds bets for the models in the Helix.  That integration wouldn't make sense with the Helix because the HD models don't lineup with the Helix.   I agree with Stooxie it would be awesome to be able to control the reverb, but I understand why they don't do that.    Most folks aren't going to be happy with using a HD reverb when they have the better reverbs in the Helix. 


    I'm very happy with the Helix DT integration the way it is.  


    Not sure what any of that has to do with stereo behavior of more than 2 units.


    Look, Line 6 makes a huge deal about their L6 link as a selling feature of these products. I'm not talking about making the Helix integrate with the DTs like the HD500 does, in terms of total FX loop insertion and all that. I'm talking about simply extending the control command operation to units 3 and 4, and adding that to the Output block. Also, adding a simple drop-down menu that would select the reverb can't be too difficult. People that have DT amps would appreciate not being left behind by Line 6. I don't think I'm asking for anything that is going to require extensive development or regression testing here.


    Also I believe the HD500 does a lot differently in terms of controlling the DTs, i.e. being able to assign L or R to any of them and being able to send wet/dry to any of them. I don't have one, but that's what I read in the manual.


    Line 6 makes awesome stuff, they don't need any apologists. They need to support users that spent insane cash with them.






  6. I'm resurrecting this thread. Is the above true? I was wondering this just now as well. I would have to imagine that no more digital work is done on the signal once it hits the power amp.


    So is the DT25 modeling the cabs, cabinet microphone, etc, before the power amp? It's not a criticism, just a question. If that's the case then there's no difference in me having a cab in my Helix path and then going into the DT25 since that how the DT25 would be doing it anyway.



  7. I'm starting a separate topic about this because someone suggested it in Ideascale and I think it's genius and much needed.


    The suggestion is to have a global cabinet setting/block that could be turned on or off. This would account for cases where we usually play through a particular cabinet, or power amp,  and design our patches that way. For example, my Helix goes into DT25s so I really only ever use pre-amp blocks and let the DT do the rest. But if I were to use any other output method (say into a PA) I would want to be able to apply a global block that would take the DT's place.


    I understand this would mean the system having to recalculate available DSP bandwidth but maybe a simple solution would be just to grey-out any patches that didn't have enough room left.


    Just wanted to call some attention to this idea. The capability for global blocks in addition to the EQ would be great.



  8. So through some experimentation I have found the following in terms of stereo assignment via L6:


    1 unit: collapsed into mono

    2 units: Unit 1 is left, unit 2 is right

    3 units: Units 1 and 2 are left and 3 is right

    4 units: Units 1 and 2 are left and 3 and 4 are right.


    However, only units 1 and 2 will have their power amp settings controlled by the Helix. It would be awesome if there was an option to get the Helix to control all of them. It would also be awesome if the Helix could select which type of on-board reverb the DT uses.





  9. On 4/13/2014 at 11:47 PM, DarrellM5 said:

    I finally got the update to take.  I didn't change anything; I just kept at it.  This was with my M-Audio Uno.  I gave up for a few days and then tried again.


    Come to think of it, there was one difference; this time I was not signed in to Line 6 Monkey.  Don't know if that mattered.


    This is what I did as well. Got the error the first time, clicked Update again and it worked. Who knows. Typical Windows software, just keep clicking until it works.



  10. I posted an IdeaScale entry and I'll also mention it here: It would be great of the Helix would control more than 2 DT25 amps. It will send audio to four of them and divide stereo among them but it will only control the first 2 via L6 using the DT25 output block. It really should be able to send the commands to any connected DT25s, at least up to four which has always been what the DT series advertised. At a minimum the interface could have an "All" setting, i.e. DT1, DT2, DT1+2, DT All.


    It would also be great if stereo L/R channels could be assigned to each DT unit.



  11. Hello all,


    Searched through the manuals and I can't find anything that says how (or IF) the Helix LT will allocate stereo channels if you have 3 or 4 DT25s connected via L6. Easy enough to find where it describes the behavior for two, but what about 3 or 4? Also, it would be nice if there was a way to change it in the DT25 output block. Say 1+2 are left and 3+4 are right or assign them individually.


    Of course I am talking about powered DT25 combos or heads, not extension cabs.


    Thanks for any help!


  12. Ooooooh on the second channel, that would actually make sense.... I can give that a try for kicks.


    And yes, I meant that if the Helix changes from (for example) triode to pentode there is no MIDI output response. To be honest I'm not sure why that would even be useful other than to get some insight into what's really going on. I know that you can daisy chain DT25's together via the L6 link and that will duplicate the commands if set to do so in the DT25 output block.



  13. 7 hours ago, phil_m said:


    Not sure I understand the premise of your question. MIDI control doesn’t really give you anything that L6 Link connection doesn’t (other than I guess you can’t change amp models in the DT25, but you shouldn’t really need those amp models with the Helix connected). And you should be getting output from the DT25 with L6 Link connected.


    Well, right, there's lots of things that can change with MIDI commands like the reverb type and cabinets. I agree, mostly I just use the Helix pre-amps with no cab and it works great, but why not have the option?


    I just double checked, yes, the MIDI output does still occur for anything done via the DT25 physical knobs. If the Helix changes the settings there is no output. I'm not saying I need that, just interesting. However, it seems to ignore all incoming MIDI commands when the L6 is connected.


    Also interesting to see which controls are ignored when the Helix is on channel A. Seems like Drive, bass, mid, treble are ignored, but presence (which makes sense) and reverb are active. Is there any kind of official documentation or statement on this? Seems like Line 6 has chosen which parts of the DT25 to "void out" when plugged into the Helix, would be nice to know which ones they are.




  14. Thank you for confirming this, and yes, I know I'm resurrecting an old thread. Just to also confirm, it seems the DT25 ignores all MIDI completely when connected with L6 (to my Helix LT), is that correct? It doesn't produce any output either when the Helix changes any of the DT25 Remote parameters.


    So if we wanted to full MIDI control of the DT25 with the Helix we'd have to connect it with a 1/4" patch cable and use MIDI cables?


    Is there any technical reason why future firmware updates couldn't allow all those commands to be sent over L6? Then again, v2 came out 7 years ago so I'm not thinking that firmware is being worked on any more!


    Thank you!


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