TheBoyWithDog

On 8/31/2020 at 3:50 AM, TheBoyWithDog said:

Hx stomp does so much that it’s insane. I often debate in my head how two stomps can have unique advantages over a floor. So I have an unsubstantiated guess for thought about 3.0 - What if dark horse is two smaller presets, instead of one, where you can switch the preset of one dsp chip while you play on the other? Not sure how possible that is on a single unit but it’s possible with two stomps, an external switcher and some timely foot switching.

 

It’s a cool performance-based advantage of two smaller units and if it were updated to a bigger unit then it would require two dsp chips(technically already does).

 

Had to throw it out there!

I predicted the dark horse feature. You’re welcome.

2 hours ago, Osse said:

I had a dream last night 3.0 was released

Was it any good?

Can you tell us about any features?

At least get rid of the cabs. The hx works great as a preamp pedal before your regulars amps. Just get remove the cab then after that it’s your choice whether or not to get rid of the power amp sim as well. You’ll need to adjust it to taste but it should generally work great.

18 minutes ago, SaschaFranck said:

My personal prediction would be that in 5-10 years from now, you won't be able to sell an otherwise fully featured (as in one-thing-does-it-all) modeler without a touchscreen

A lot of people don’t like touch screen myself included. It’s comfortable with my thumbs but I’d never put my whole hand in front of a screen and try to move things - it’s near impossible for me to see that way and I’m sure I’m not the only one. Maybe it would be an option but it would have to be deactivate-able and would require a whole other way to get around making it redundant in resources.

1 hour ago, phowell said:

But Line 6 will eventually introduce another Version of helix, in my opinion. And with their resources, I’m willing to bet that it is in development and it will surpass the competition.

Everyone agreed that they will eventually work on something new. I mean they made the stomp didn’t they? And native?

Not everyone is looking to upgrade though and a lot of people are happy without a “Helix 2”

DI (Eric Klein) also mentioned that the new poly models are nice however they’re not as nice as the future capabilities of the polyphonic “engine” they've created. So current Helix/HX has a lot of life still in it. For myself, it feels as though Helix is new and I’m comfortable with it so I’m not looking to upgrade. A Bluetooth editor would be nice though.

edit: changed future from feature*

16 minutes ago, Digital_Igloo said:

Nope.

No it hasn't. All we've said is poly. Besides, you can't really model pitch effects;  you need to build a library of DSP algorithms from scratch. This is important, as we didn't acquire any DigiTech IP when we hired their Victoria team after they left. They've had to find a completely different method of poly, which is actually harder than if another company did it, because they could "accidentally" do things the same way DigiTech did it. We've had to purposely go in other directions, which is why it's taken so long.

Ah I see. I completely understand that. I’m happy that polyphonic pitch shift will be added to HX Stomp in whatever package it comes in. Whether it’s something unique or more simply a solid shift knob. Drop or no drop is no issue to me. I was referencing someone’s guess at what the dark horse feature would be - Someone guessed “drop” then someone else said that it had already been confirmed and would be added to all units so it won’t be a floor, lt or rack exclusive. I think they were referring to drop in more of its essential function and not necessarily a model though. Yeah I definitely wouldn’t insinuate that your algorithm is the same as DigiTech’s.

Thats really interesting and enlightening though about the obstacles the team had to face that users(myself included) haven’t generally known. Really shines a light on a mysterious aspect of the polyphonic progress.

I couldn’t agree more. I honestly don’t know why and that’s not a shot at Line 6. I’m just genuinely in the dark why they’re not there. I hope it’s not a constraint and that they’re implemented in the future but you can sorta get around it in other ways when it comes to native. My speculation was that it was left out for redundancy in that particular time and that maybe they could circle back to it later on. I’m still hoping.

4 hours ago, datacommando said:

O.K. From reading all this other stuff, DI also made this remark regarding his mentioning of “Blues Laywers”.

“Just that the fun new models would likely raise an eyebrow or two during a blues gig. AS INTENDED.”

 

I would think that must indicate some damn fine replication of a classic blues rig - good enough to get the lawyers sniffing around.

 

I agree. It could be that native doesn’t require this dark horse feature. That would be similar to why native doesn’t receive other updates such as gain reduction meters.

Perhaps DI is saying the new models are so out-there that it would raise attention from people who main simple algorithms such as blue lawyers I.e. in the vain of a DigiTech space station. Something you wouldn’t play a twelve bar blues on. As much as I love things like bleat chop trem, I’m really looking forward to some dsp intensive, far out-there models that go in a wildly new direction!

A DigiTech drop model has been confirmed for 3.0 and I quote(sorta) it shifts “every which way” so polyphonic is definitely included barring any mishaps.

A DigiTech Drop model is not confirmed.

3 minutes ago, codamedia said:

 

Dual processors

Helix native uses as many processor as are available though right?

Floor, Lt and rack are geared more toward performance maybe?

6 hours ago, Dogaral said:

I thought this update was just something you get free for the hardware you already own? a bigger screen could be the bestest download ever!

Ha ha He’s saying the update could use the larger screen which is only found on those units- or the command center which is another Floor, Lt, rack exclusive.

However the command center is coming to stomp in the same update so it’s not really an exclusive.

Hx stomp does so much that it’s insane. I often debate in my head how two stomps can have unique advantages over a floor. So I have an unsubstantiated guess for thought about 3.0 - What if dark horse is two smaller presets, instead of one, where you can switch the preset of one dsp chip while you play on the other? Not sure how possible that is on a single unit but it’s possible with two stomps, an external switcher and some timely foot switching.

It’s a cool performance-based advantage of two smaller units and if it were updated to a bigger unit then it would require two dsp chips(technically already does).

Had to throw it out there!

Gain reduction metering is the only reason I updated.

Is it really not available on native?

I think mark started with their best intention at least.

Helix has good sounds. I avoid the cabs though - they’re sorta a weak point for me - they don’t make much sense.

ive never a/b’ed the helix and axe but maybe I’ll post some similar presets for people to compare / critique.

and also for Mark 

Thread is seeming officially pointless since mark just said this then disappeared.

On the contrary, Mark you should post a sound you’re working that you think sounds good and we’ll tell you where to improve.

post your clip / preset

3 hours ago, MarkJarvis said:

No offense but if you cant here the difference..your likely fine with Helix..for me its night and day..

2 hours ago, MarkJarvis said:

Seriously..I think that as a Helix owner you really 'want' it to be ok...and there is good reason for that. But that said, if you dont here a difference you really should not buy an AXFX 3..just sayin..

 

 Mark, youre sounding a little provoking and hopefully thats not your intention. I am a Helix and axe fx 3 owner and i dont "want it to be okay" when it comes to helix. I love helix and they both offer different approaches on how to do similar things. I'm agreeing with some other people here that this thread is sounding mostly pointless but it could have been a cool opportunity to compare and contrast the two units. Both units sound - and most importantly work - great.

As a side note those presets in that video for the axe arent stock presets. You have to pay an extra 100$ before tax for them.

You ARE PearlJammy!!

Hm... Sounds like something PearlJammy would say.

I'm lost. Did PearlJammy edit his original post? I hate to add fuel to the fire here but when i first read it, i had no indication that anybody could be possibly offended. After seeing a majority of the responses here i reread his post -probably multiple times- to see if i'd missed something. He seems direct and i can't find a clue to why any adult would un-constructively badger him.

To stay on topic, i agree i would like some added flexibility to my Helix. I personally hardly utilize the Mode or Tap switches currently but i've just never paid much attention to them until now. They'd be a welcome addition to the Stomp layout, or any configuration for that matter. Im glad to see this idea is 'In Review' on idea scale as the flexibility could be a big improvement if implemented into an upcoming Helix update. I have high hopes for this.