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In case i really give that a try I guess I might let you know but I wouldn't expect any interest in that ^^

Nothing wrong with good guitars. They make the first and most important part in our signal chains. I don't even buy guitars for more than 1500€ or so. In fact I mainly play a sub 600€ guitar. Because I'm indeed a lil fan boy but a tech fan boy in general. So I spend more money on tech then on guitars. So i guess money wise it would be totally fine to buy one but i don't tend to mindlessly buy repetitive stuff. Thats why I was asking for experience in using both units.

Why do you think anyone is jealous ? I think klangmaler is just a bit weird thats all ^^ And why would it be so odd to get a Kemper along with the Helix to have the best of both worlds. I mean its not that much money considering what you get for the money. People buying guitars GUITARS for thousands and thousands of dollars and thats just some wood with strings on it. Its not like the concept has changed over the last decades. And we all have more than one guitar i guess. So why not spend this money on high tech gimmicks which offer a lot more for the money.

Dude what is you purpose here ? Do you just try to get your post counter up or what are you comments supposed to be ?

@klangmaler I guess you should see a doc or something @jrrjr68 Believe me i know. I spend several DAYS dialing in a single Preset and tweak the sound to my likings. Otherwise I would have never gotten even close to being happy with it. My Mark IV Preset has noise gate, compressor, distortion infront through the Mark IV Lead channel with half gain through a splitter into two parallel Ownhammer IRs (spend hours to find the right ones) mixed them to my needs. After that through high/low cut filter, EQ, Volume block etc. So its not like i just put an map with a cab and expect to get good results out of the box. Its alot of work i know that. I could sit down and analyze the sound through a frequency analyzer and compare that with my target amp and spend days to dial it to perfection but this is not gonna happen. Because I don't wanna spend this amount of work for a single patch when my mood changes daily and I might wanna have some fun with other amps too. @specracer986 I indeed try to get close to the amp in the room experience. And i know the Helix won't be able to deliver that. Thats the point with amp matching. Match a specific amp through a good cab and well miced. And you get the amp in the room kind of characteristic. Thats what I'm missing. That is by definition the weak spot of pure amp modeling that its not even the philosophy to get this kind of sound from it. That might be the big selling point of the Kemper. And people need to choose which technology suits them best. I kinda want both worlds.

Maybe record some bits with that patch and let us listen too maybe its not even bad ^^

@DunedinDragon Hey man its nice to philosophize with you about this topic ^^ I realy like this kind of chat. You are totally right with the point to bring up as pro for the Helix. And I agree with you 100%. That is the big selling point for the Helix the controlled and reproducible sound it gives us. So in a live environment the Helix is the best solution and might be enough for most of us. Me too in the end. I often go to gigs and as guitarist and gear lollipop i listen very carefully to what the guitars sound like. And i hear the amps characteristics pretty well. Although most of the time a modeled sound would do the job too and i might not even recognize it. The idea behind the Kemper and the perfection or better the imperfections of an amp is that although the Helix sounds good and all. Its more like it sound too controlled to studio like. I'm used to amps and like this rough sound character each amp has. So I want this realistic amp sound more in my home studio when i practice. As you said if I would use the Kemper on stage no one would give a damn or even hear it. So its mainly for my own pleasure at home through my Monitors. Where the Helix sounds a bit to clinical. Its not the same feeling I get playing amps. I should have set this clear in the beginning. You couldn't know that. So the Helix has more the approach to be perfect. And it might be. But my last 10% consist partially of some imperfections of amps and this not so full range sound.

Your are absolutely right here. The miniq sure uses only one signal thats the whole point of this pedal. But I highly doubt that its algorithm only rely on delays and pitch shifting. I guess they have some magic cristals in that thing or something.

The problem with this approach is that you basically use the same input signal twice. Which is by definition no double tracking effect. But it may work for you. I tried this and must say that pitch shifting or rev/delay kinda setups mess up the sound completely.

@DunedinDragon Its not like i want some trashy sounds and for sure the Helix is good in the studio and clear and crisp and anything. But did you ever heard the difference between a pure amp model and a good amp matched sound ? That is what I want. I can't even explain what it is but its this last bit to realism and authenticity that I'm missing on purely dialed in presets. Its feels way more like a real thing. Its so subtle you may be wouldn't even recognize it. And I'm mainly for Metal Amps so the Engl, Recitfier, Soldano, Mark IV may be good but they are not enough by far not enough. You can try 5 different Engl amps and couldn't even tell which ones the best because every single amp has its own sweetspots. And that is the second reason I'm not happy with these few options alone. I want to try out several amps and want to be impressed and get creative with each and every one of them without having to spend days and days to dial in a single presets until i start enjoying it. I can spend a lot of time with the Helix for that one sound but sometimes i just wanna grab the axe and shred along for some hours with tones that are just there. I can't even tell which kind of amp sound suits me the most because I feel i don't even know enough amps to be able to tell.

Its not like I'm searching an easy shortcut or something. But more like the fact that pure modeling hast its boundaries. And i need at least amp matching to get the last bit I've hear amazing results on the Fractal which isn't even so different from the Helix but they have matching functions. Like i said its not like I'm not pleased with the helix. But the amp models are not the kind of stuff i need or want. And of course the kemper would be pretty overkill to get the last bit.

Currently no way. There are several idea requests online for this feature but don't expect it anytime soon. Any approach using delays or pitch shifter won't work. Because doubling is building one the effect that the two or more signals differ from each other.

Ok thanks for that but im not even close to being a tone engineer. So I have so idea what you are talking about ^^ And creating my own IRs seem a bit overkill I mean who is doing this as a normal user ? There are businesses build around this topic for a reason ;)

One of the most important features that the Helix is missing is tone matching. I guess that the Helix would be way more easily to dial in if you could just use some amp matching algorithms. A few days ago a friend showed me his Bias Amp software which is pretty good. But the biggest improvement was amp matching. All matched presets sounded way more realistic then the modeled amp presets. So it may be possible to take even the Mark IV model and match it against the Mark V and even get close to what I'm searching for. This is basically impossible to achieve by just randomly tweaking some EQs. I mean all the high end systems have some sort of matching except the Helix. Is this kind of feature in the pipeline and to expect anytime soon ?

@spikey That isn't even so unexpecting because the Helix covers so much so good. It may depend on the individual needs and I am like almost 90% happy with my Helix. But those last 10% are currently hard to achieve. @DunedinDragon I know what you mean and the Helix is a lollipop load of fun. Yesterday I played straight for hours with my Helix after being in a music store playing with my dream amp. So its not like I can't enjoy this bad boy. But I'm kind of a gear lollipop you know ;) @PeterHamm I tried all the mid to high gain amps in the Helix and I know that each model can be made sound very different from default setup. But I think that there a some boundaries inside which we can try to achieve stuff. I tend to like more modern Amps. Especially the Mesa Mark V which has an amazing sound structure. And different others like Victory amps, Engl, Diezel. I know there are fairly close models for couple of these. But if you are in an amp room playing through the actual amp I understand that modeling will not really cover that. I currently use the Mark IV model in the Helix and I'm so addicted to that one Model alone. So yeah they did a great job with that one. But it takes alot of time to fine tune it. And the Mark V isn't really available like others. The Kemper has the advantage that it can cover every possible amp I'm hearing. The Helix just can't maybe come close but these last 10% won't be achieved I'm sure. The Helix can do so much but can't cover every sound out there and that is OK its still awesome. I geek out over amp sounds and for that purpose i wish for something with a lil more potential.

Hello guys, first of all this is currently a theoretical question. I don't have a Kemper (yet) I'm just thinking about this. Has anyone here ever used a Kemper with the Helix ? The point here is that the modeling in the Helix may be good but I search for specific amp models and tones which the Helix can't provide and I don't see them coming anytime soon. So I think about getting a Kemper set up my amp profiles and use it with the Helix floor board. This way i want to switch profiles on the Kemper when switching Presets or even Snapshots. And use the Kempers morphing algorithms with the Helix exp. pedal. It would be good to know if these both systems can work together in a performance ready quality and speed. I like the Helix but the amp models won't do it for me at this point. But I still want to use the Helix's signal routing and effects portion because the Helix is boss in this segment. Anyone here that has done something similar ?

I am not a fan of other peoples presets because they depend on their specific audio setup and guitar which i can't reproduce. So if i want to get a special tone i listen to it very carefully and try to get the essence of what i am liking on that tone. And start building the patches from scratch. A good way to getting close is to get infos about the rig that was used to create a certain tone. And start recreating that rig. And alot of fine tuning is needed to get even close. So no shortcuts here.

THR10 looks gorgeous and may be a good solution. Currently i am going for a monitor setup due to the fact that i can't run to much volume. I ordered a pair of M-Audio BX8 and they are pretty much useless. They have a basically no mid range. So i ordered a pair of M-Audio M3-8 these are 3 way speakers and i hope i get the mids i want. The FRFR speakers im afraid would maybe move a bit too much air so that i would get into a lot of trouble with my neighbors. Maybe if i am going to jam sessions more often i go with a FRFR monitor for only that purpose.

LoL me 2 man No one told me u need 8 strings these days to be metal.

No prob mate ;) Be patient I guess it took us all a lil while to get used to the system. The Helix is a bit more professional then other systems i used before. So it might need a bit more work. You will definitly get that kind of tone out of you system but remember just putting the amp and cab won't do the job. Work your way through. Use a compressor and i would even recommend a distortion pedal in front maybe even an EQ before and after. I'm still at the point where i need to try things out to see what works the best. And even with the same patch is in the video it wouldn't sound like that on your home PA or headphones or whatever. Man you will be really happy onces you get what you searching for i guarantee you that ^^ have fun.

Yep that should do the trick. Different from the Boss GT series you have to remember that the expression pedal needs a dedicated effects block in that case the volume block to work with. Bind the exp. pedal to that block and to what ADBrown told you ^^ done.

Ah thank you guys for pointing out how this feature behave. I got it a bit wrong and thought that the "Recall" will recall every changed block on snapshot switch. But i understand that this would interfere with the nature of snapshots in the first place. What we expect from a snapshot is that i recreates a pre determined state of the current preset. If we feel a bit creative and want to use a special effects block in our current session like for example the chorus effect and want to use this effect in every snapshot then things might get a lil tricky. I wouldn't define my snapshots to use the chorus because this block if optional. As far as i understand it now the "Recall" will remember the changes done to a snapshot. But how can we tell the second snapshot that the chorus should stay active although the snapshot was saves with the chorus bypassed. I guess in that case i have to chose whether or not the Chorus should be considered by the snapshot feature in the first place. Maybe i could define the chorus effects block as kind of "NOT SNAPSHOTABLE" or whatever ^^ So that whenever i call a snapshot they will set everything EXCEPT the effects blocks they should ignore. I will open an idea for that. Because I really think that this might come in handy for us all. https://line6.ideascale.com/a/dtd/Exclude-specific-effects-blocks-from-Snapshots/893972-23508

Hello my friend, let me say that i posted something really similar to this topic when i got my Helix. After 1-2 Days i was pretty disappointed. But at this point i am absolutely sold to this unit man its just awesome. As far as I had to learn the Helix is not good right out of the box. You have to put alot of afford and work into it especially when searching for that one sound you have in your head. You can just put some amps and Cabs into a patch and it sound really good but may disappoint if you have other ideas of what you want and need. I haven't done many patches up to this date I rather tweak my main patch to perfection first. In my case i was searching for that special Mesa Mark series mid Gain Crunch/Lead sound. The Mark IV model is pretty tough to dial in and need a lot of tweaking. So far I'm using the Mark IV model which is absolutely gorgeous in pair with 2 specific Ownhammer cabs perfectly balanced to my needs. But that alone would do nothing. I have 2 EQs, 1 Compressor also to boost the input and 1 noise gate and dialed in the global EQ. After countless hours of dialing everything in I'm getting closer to my sound. And let me tell ya its a hell lot of fun to play with that one patch alone. So sit back think about your sound you want and dial in you patch as long as it needs to make you happy. This will take some time and even depends on you Sound system. Presets in download from others don't sound good on my system so this differs in every environment. The Helix is BOSS man but it needs time to get used to it.

As far is I could try to understand your case i guess i pretty similar with a special twist. What i needed in the first place was to be able to switch snapshots without them reseting various parameters that might have be done. That should be configurable I need to try that. But if I got you right you need to change this behavior depending ob what snapshot you calling. So that you can call snapshot 2 without that one resetting your effects block but if you call snapshot 1 you actually want that snapshot to reset everything that changed right ? That is one point that i would actually miss here. You can switch the overwrite behavior of snapshots globally even with a shortcut. But I think it would be more convenient if you could set this for each snapshot differently. So that we can declare one snapshot that overwrites everything while a second leave other blocks untouched.

Hahah i would mate just screenshot and send them this ;)