Kilrahi
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47 minutes ago, caledoneus said:
the translation here is
I don't actually need an HX Stomp, I need to get the full Helix or the LT. Just saying. :)
I have to say in this case, I think it's a gripe that is at least worth considering. When I thought the HX Stomp processor could only handle six blocks, I was okay with it. I bought it expecting 6 blocks and I got them. I figured a more powerful processor would have bumped the price tag up significantly.
When I found out it ALREADY was a more powerful processor - indeed, HALF as powerful as a Helix, and so in theory ought to be able to handle 8 blocks, 10 blocks, 12 blocks . . .but artificially had it's knee caps lobbed off.
That seems like a wasted opportunity. The product would only be cooler, and more desirable, to its audience if it had more blocks. Even small things like having the FX send returns in addition to the 6 block limit would be nice. ESPECIALLY when compared side by side with its obvious competition, the Headrush Gigboard. For now, if you MUST have more than six blocks, and you're okay with slightly worse sounds (IMO), a mono effects loop, but easier interface - Gigboard. If you want better sounds, stereo loop, smaller size, and save $50 - Stomp. For a lot of people, the block difference will be a deciding factor - but imagine if the Stomp pretty much competed with blocks too? It would STILL be $50 cheaper . . .the only real advantage of the Headrush is the interface at that point, and once you figure out the Stomp it's pretty dang easy. To me it's an obvious miss.
BUT Line 6 indicated in the future it will make more sense. That may be true. For now though it's still baffling.
I still love the device though.
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10 hours ago, matthewklein said:
I like to be able to bring audio into the HX, hear it through the HX's headphone output mixed with my guitar signal, but only send my guitar to the main outputs. That's how like to monitor the rest of the band and hear click tracks and whatnot. Saves me from having to have a monitor pack and worrying about batteries. I just run a headphone extension cable along with my guitar cable to the HX and I'm good.
I THINK I understand what you mean. You want to have the guitar signal sent out - nothing but the guitar/effects/etc., but have the rest of the band mix come in to the Stomp for you to hear through the headphone jack.
However, isn't that done by simply setting the return/aux in in global settings to auxiliary in? I do the same thing almost every night when I play along to music on my phone. Music comes in through auxiliary in (in your case it would be the band), but only the guitar is sent out the mains. It doesn't take a single block to do it either.
The only thing I'm not sure about - whenever I've done this I'm jamming along to headphones. I haven't had an amp connected - but I really think that as long as you have it set to auxiliary in it doesn't output it to your amp or PA (because in many cases that would sound freaking awful and I'm assuming they knew that). Try it and see.
The key is that you have to make sure you change the Global Settings. I'm going off memory here, but I think it's:
Global Settings >>>> Ins/Outs >>>> Return Type >>>> Aux in
Let me know if I'm way off base here.
Edit: Okay, I found the page in the Stomp manual that discusses it. Another thing it points out is that you need to make sure that the preset's input block is the "main L/R" though I think most are set that way by default.
If you want to read up on it it's page 6 and page 41. Page 6 explicitly states one purpose of the aux in could be used for monitors so I hope this is what you're talking about.
https://line6.com/data/6/0a020a4010c935bb66a4c0c44f/application/pdf/HX Stomp Manual - English .pdf
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I gotta be honest, I'm not at all sure what you're trying to do here. I keep trying to visualize it and my brain breaks.
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3 hours ago, psarkissian said:
The factory Model choices are different. The 59 has a set of models common to the JTV series,
while the Shuriken has a mix of JTV models and Stevic McKay artist created models.
Well poop . . . I always knew they came with different stock tunings but I had no idea the Shuriken actually had different modeled guitars.
Suddenly my life is again missing something.
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You have to press the button with those three parallel lines to open the menu first. Then it's:
Global Settings >>>> Turn BIG knob to select Ins/Outs >>>> Use knobs 1 - 3 to select line or instrument level depending on what you're trying to do.
That's it.
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4 hours ago, tkr1967 said:
HI there.
My Helix stomp is behaving very strangely. Whenever, I try to do some edit on the unit (without Helix edit) I get random messages like the tempo window pops up. It might jump to a different block when I edit another block's parameter. Also, when using snapshots, the 'switch snapshots' query pops up. Very Strange.
Any ideas?
I'm running version 2.71.
Thanks.
I had the same problem you did at first because I didn't realize just HOW touch sensitive they are. Once I figured it out though, I was able to prevent it pretty easily.
However, just in case it really bothers you and you find you can't manage around it, in the global settings you can set it to go from touch sensitive to requiring a bit more of a push before the footswitch engages. You might try that change out if it's driving you nuts.
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1 hour ago, k8jun1 said:
Kinda sucks cause my zoom g5 can be edited from the pedal or computer...just no tablet or phone
Can u move presets around....from different banks...Like "Lead the Way" to Bank 2 D, instead of Bank 1 B...?
Yes you can. Load the preset you want. Then go to save it again, but choose a new bank instead of the same one.
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To me it's mind boggling that Line 6 has never come out with a better solution on some of their devices. The Firehawk is another example.
With the stomp, I wish you could use FS4 or FS5 to add more looper functionality.
Or if the looper is set as a stomp, once you hit the looper button it toggles the three switches to be looper controls.
It's just a matter of programming and it would be far more useful.
For now the only real way to use the looper live is a solid midi controller.
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9 minutes ago, Guitarsarang said:
Hi trying to get the few block to assign to the switches so that I can turn on and off while I play.
..just cant seem to do it right?
Please help.
Are you in Stomp mode (one of four modes on the Stomp ... found by hitting "home" and then page right or left until you get to it - you know you're there if when on a preset let's you use the stomp switches for effects).
Once there, select the effect you want. Then rest your finger on the switch you want to attach it to. The screen will change and ask if you want to assign the foot switch. Press the circular button underneath the green "ok."
Did you watch Line 6's basic tutorial videos on YouTube? They help a ton.
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With the modeling there is ZERO difference.
The natural pickups differ though.
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Nothing you're saying makes any sense to me. I don't mean that to throw down, just to say I have no idea what you're experiencing.
I don't even mess with balanced outs. Standard 1/4 out to Firehawk 1500. I had a Pod HD500x prior, and while I loved the Pod, the meatiness of the Stomp mops the floor with it.
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3 hours ago, codamedia said:
If heading into an FRFR setup.... I'd run HX Effects > HX Stomp > FRFR.
No need to use any blocks for sends/returns/loops.
I'd setup the HX Effects like a pedal board... and put all the effects I would normally run on a board there.
The Stomp would start with the AMP modeler, followed by any post effects ...
To make it much more interesting... I'd midi the two together using the HX effects as the master since it has more footswitches to work with.
To be fair, there is no right or wrong answer here... you can reverse the order I describe, or use loops back and forth. Do whatever you need to get the results you need.
I'm curious cause I still have a lot to learn, but my general thinking in having the HX Effects after the Stomp would be because the Stomp does the amp modeling, but more effects are usually needed after an amp than before it, and the Effects can do more effects. Especially if you want a dual amp setup on the Stomp.
I noticed you suggested the opposite though. Do you usually use more effects before the amp than after, or is there some other advantage I'm missing here with having the Effects before the Stomp?
I get that ultimately it comes down to what you want it to sound like, but I still have a lot of tips and tricks to learn. My setups tend to be pretty damn simple. I'm lucky if I breach the Stomp's seven block limit. I wouldn't have a clue what to do with 16 blocks, let alone 32.
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53 minutes ago, MarshallArts said:
The vol pedal needs a trs cable. Could have made a trs into ts and trs as well. But this way, I only need one long trs cable and a short ts cable. Stuff, I always have in my cable box, so no need for special cables, which I tend to forget at home...
Okay, that makes sense. I get it now. Nicely done!
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8 hours ago, rbum said:
THX for this idea and link. Quite amazing how it works. Although it's not the solution for my "problem" , because it is the sound of the reverb in a huge room / cave or whatever.
With clear sounds this might be usable and gives an interesting background sound. With distortion sounds there is a big difference between the original sound of the stroke and the reverbed sound, which becomes more a noise than a sound.
Play a power cord with distortion sound on a guitar with very good sustain and hold it - that is what I need, but lasting longer. EXH freeze delivers more the long reverb of the cord when you don't hold the sustain on the guitar.
Yeah, unfortunately this is one of the effects that you still have to go to the original source for. I have an EHX freeze pedal and I'd love to see it implemented into the Helix architecture, but for now, the only thing as good as a EHX Freeze is just ANOTHER EHX Freeze (or a Plus Pedal, or Superego, etc.).
Maybe someday. Sure seems like it would be stupidly easy to do compared to some effects, but I'm also completely clueless so that doesn't mean it is.
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I know I'm missing something, but I'm kind of confused. Why go through the gyrations of modifying the pedal? Why not just use a TRS cable that splits into two TS cables?
What did you gain by doing it this way?
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6 hours ago, octave06 said:
Has anoybody tried/have been doing thsi? Thoughts?
I tried it with the HX Stomp. The HEX Effects wouldn't change things all that much. To me the best and easiest way would be to just throw the HX Effects at the end of the signal chain (so the send stereo of the HX Stomp would be going into the Input left/right of the HX Effects, and then the HX effects left/right output would feed back into your amp).
My personal feel on how it was depends on what you're trying to do. If you're hooking up into a traditional amp then it is pretty cool and I get why people like it. It's a lot of cords . . . but there are some strengths to it.
If you're hooking it up into a flat response amp then in my opinion it's just a waste of time. Instead hook both the HX Stomp and the HX Effects into the Effects loop (or attach your guitar in to the HX Stomp which outputs into the flat response amp guitar in, and throw your HX Effects in the effects loop of the amp - turn off all amp/effects modeling if your flat response amp has any).
Sounds great, less fuss and muss.
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Holy freaking crap. My post got no hits in forever and then just blew up . . . which is kind of cool though I didn't want to contribute to someone feeling one of the coolest products they've ever seen is suddenly worth sending back.
Here's a few of my take away thoughts:
1. delock25: Imagine if the Native discount never existed for ANY HX users. I mean, nothing magical about the products required it in the first place. Some companies never do ANYTHING like that. Wouldn't the Stomp still be the coolest thing ever? That's how I look at it. I'm right there with you on how perfect it is. I messed with the Stomp well into the night last night and now I'm too tired to function well at work. It IS the coolest thing ever, with or without Native. Nothing has changed in that regard.
2. From a business perspective, digital software without a physical footprint (and ignoring piracy) is just about the best dang thing you can sell. Other than the initial investment into development, which can be substantial, the stuff that follows gets pretty dang close to zero year over year. Especially as more product is sold, the margins for each purchase get better year over year too. This is NOT true for products like the Helix where each sale has to cover expensive hardware, and hardware that is at the mercy of trade agreements and all sorts of gobbly lollipop. The $1500 Helix doesn't help to pay for the Native software anymore than the $600 HX Stomp does. The software pays for the software. The Helix pays for the Helix. The reason Line 6 can give discounts on the software is precisely because of the strengths of selling software in the first place, NOT because the Helix or LT somehow magically pays for the software.
3. The more people Line 6 can pull into the Helix ecosystem, the more money they can make. Right now I've bought a Stomp. In the past I bought a Spider IV, a Pod HD500X, the additional software packs for the Pod, and a Firehawk 1500. If they can convince me to buy Native at a profitable price point for them, they make money off me. They're not going to convince me at $400. They might convince me at $150. There are no doubt many people out there like me. If $150 is worth it to them, knowing it keeps me and others more committed to the Line 6 ecosystem and future products, rather than say Headrush or something, then they should do it. That doesn't mean they will, but they should.
4. Line 6 also doesn't want to DEVALUE Native. That's a big deal too. Sell it for $10 a pop, and people will never pay $400 for it again, and consequently that may be a price point so egregiously low that it will never recoup the software development costs to say nothing about making a profit. It's also true that they don't want to devalue the Helix or the LT. Those are their premium models (sorry - I think the Stomp is cooler - but it's just NOT the flagship device here). It is a plus to the Helix's sales to say, "Oh, and it's worth spending $1500 because you ALSO get a huge discount on Native." I don't know how much of a boost it is to the value of Helix, but it IS a boost.
So lots to think about. Probably even more stuff I've missed. I'm sorry some feel like it is a money grab . . . but it IS a money grab. This is Line 6's livelihood. Their balancing act is to grab our money, while keeping us happy to dish it out. It's a tough game. It's called business. It's pretty cutthroat.
Still, I hope to get Native in the future. Hopefully they'll consider some sort of HX Stomp discount because honestly, if they can get me to jump there, it's really just a matter of time before I jump on a LT too, and that just helps them long term. Right now they've managed to become my metaphorical drug dealer when it comes to guitar gear, so keep increasing the addiction Line 6 (this is meant in a friendly encouraging way, not a criticism - love my L6 experience so far)! It's a symbiotic relationship, after all.
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26 minutes ago, akalchschmid said:
Hey, thanks for the quick replies!
So, that's good news! Some follow-up questions:
On page 5 of the manual they write “For external footswitches, the momentary
(unlatched) type should be used.“.On page 35 they write “Selecting FS1-FS5 will display Knob 3 (Switch Type). Turn Knob
3 to select "Moment[ary]" or "Latch[ing]" behavior. Momentary
means the value will change for as long as you hold the switch.
Latching toggles between Min and Max values every time you press
the switch.*“So, latched or unlatched?
What I would like to do is, have one expression pedal, and one footswitch. With the footswitch I'd like to change presets (up and down), e.g. using this switch: https://www.thomann.de/de/lead_foot_fs2.htm
Would that work?
Well, not to throw water on your plan but with that footswitch I don't think it will do quite what you want. Granted it's in another language, so I am basically going off pictures, but I still think I'm right.
That is a very nice looking dual footswitch, but it looks like the cable is a TRS cable that is permanently affixed (If it can be removed that might change things). The consequence of that is if you plug it into the HX Stomp, there won't be any room for an expression pedal. It would do an excellent job of being FS4 and FS5, though.
Now, if there is a way to attach an expression pedal, I think you'll still run into a problem based on the above. Because the expression pedal would be taking up ONE of the FS4 or FS5 slots, ONLY one of the footswitches two switches would work. You could have this switch either preset up, OR preset down, but NOT BOTH. However, this limitation isn't just with that footswitch design. The EXP 1/2 output on the Stomp can only afford two expression pedals, two footswitches, or one of each. It can't do an expression pedal and two footswitches - that would be three.
I apologize if I totally misunderstood what you were saying in the above. I just don't want you to buy something expecting a certain thing and then it doesn't happen, much as I love the Stomp.
Edit: Think of the EXP 1/2 output as only being able to handle two signals, rather than two devices. If you think of it as two devices it's easy to think you could attach a expression pedal and one device (with numerous switches). You can't because each switch takes up a signal. If you want more signals, you have to go the midi route.
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2 minutes ago, phil_m said:
That bug was fixed in the 2.71 firmware update, which was released without much fanfare last week.
Ha ha crud. I've been waiting to update and I somehow missed it. Thanks for the heads up Phil.
I guess I need to be better tuned in to where these announcements happen. At least I know what I'll be doing tonight . . .
Kind of excited. Just have to survive my company's Christmas party first.
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4 hours ago, akalchschmid said:
Hi all,
the Hx Stomp manual says that you can connect two expression pedals, or two footswitches. Does anyone know,can you connect one pedal and one switch at the same time?
Yes . . . at least, I'm fairly certain yes. Right now there's a bug that has yet to be fixed that makes dual switches or pedals an unworkable mess, so unfortunately I haven't been able to test it, which is what I usually like to do before I give a yes. Still, based on my reading of the manual, yes, you can, and here is how:
Enter Global Settings >>>> Preferences
Exp/FS Tip - set to Footswitch 4
Exp/FS Ring - Set to Expression Pedal 2
Or you could do the reverse, set FS Tip to Expression Pedal 1 and FS Ring to Footswitch 5.
You would then need to review Global Settings >>> Footswitches to ensure the FS4 and FS5 functions were setup to your liking for what you want them to do.
Again though, I can't really test it right now. Hopefully they fix the bug soon cause I have been wanting to mess around with all of these things.
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You can split the inputs in to two different channels with different effects, and then recombine them. It's all within the 6 block limit, but yes.
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6 hours ago, robertgoddard said:
"Correct. It is limited to three changeable blocks. You could have two overdrive pedals and a modulation, or two overdrives and a delay, or three delays, etc., but no way to have four in any combination."
Technically, yes. In reality, no. There is a 4 Block patch out there that lets you run 4 user selected blocks but you lose the FX Loop.Well that's interesting. Any more info on this unique tweak?
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7 hours ago, jcs2179 said:
Yeah, sure, no reason to doubt that. For me it's a convenience thing at this point thou....I'm in a small place, can't crank it up, just getting back into it after many years, blah blah blah....
So having the "smallest" possible set up is a big goal. Helix + PowerCab+ or Helix + FRFR seems like a good idea all the way around, but I can't do both, and I think I can get more overall use out of the PowerCab+, since playing music along from cell phone is not the "primary" goal...does that make sense??
I totally understand what you are trying to relate thou.
(BTW, doesn't the PowerCab+ have a "FRFR mode" also?? or did I miss read that somewhere??)
Thank you guys for all the input. It has been pretty good so far to get ideas and knowledge from this group! I do appreciate it!
Flat mode is FRFR mode.
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11 hours ago, ian- said:
Got a chance to pick up one of these second hand for cheap that I am considering, but I have a couple of questions that I'm not sure about:
1. Is the firehawk limited to 3 user changeable FX blocks? i.e. is there no way to have two overdrive pedals, a modulation and a delay all at the time time?
Correct. It is limited to three changeable blocks. You could have two overdrive pedals and a modulation, or two overdrives and a delay, or three delays, etc., but no way to have four in any combination.
Quote2. Am I right in thinking you can't use the footswitches to make any changes to the amp section? i.e. acting as a fs to change from clean to drive etc - if not I take it you could just copy the whole thing over to another bank and alter it and just use the a/b/c/d switches to effectively act to change the gain level?
Correct. For reasons that I don't understand (I mean, seriously, why not?) you can assign the expression pedal to the parameters of the assignable blocks OR the reverb, but you can't assign it to the parameters of the amp.
A work around is to switch between the banks, though there is a slight delay between presets so it would depend upon how fast you need to make the switch. Ultimately, I tend to rely on an expression pedal to control the drive of a distortion, or a footswitch to activate the distortion at the required level. If you prefer the simulation of amp distortion though this is a limitation and you're stuck with the preset.
Quote3. will this control the model/tuning on a variax 500 or is that model too old now? (sigh, the joys of being left-handed)
If you have a VDI cable then yes, it lets you do the following:
1. Choose the Variax model.
2. Choose the tuning of the Variax model.
3. Choose to use the Variax's modeling or natural pickups.
4. Choose the tone of the Variax model.
I tend to do a hodgepodge of both. I use the Firehawk to set the tuning and the specific Variax model, but then use the switches on the Variax to quickly move between the modeled pickups (i.e. move quickly from bridge to neck, etc.).
Quote4. can you turn the amp/cab block completely off?
assuming 4 is correct (im sure you can and i just cant work out on the app how), how do you prefer to use yours/what do you think gets the best sound out of it?
with an amp with amp emulation off?
headphones?
a pa speaker/frfr/other non-coloured audio system?
thanks
Yes you can turn the amp emulation off completely. You can also turn the amp off but run with just a cab (this is great if you're combining it with a device like the HX Stomp).
Here's how it's done:
Select the amp block >>>> Type >>>> Clean >>> No amp.
The default for no amp is also no cab. If you tap the top right "cab" button while in the amp section then it lets you select from cab types.
In my opinion, the best sound for any modeling device is into a FRFR audio system. If I were running the Firehawk into a traditional amp I'd probably do a 4 cable method and turn the amp modeling off. This is the inherent challenge in any modeler though, and it's not a unique limitation with the Firehawk. A traditional amp colors the sound a bit, and so if you double up an amp sound (a real amp + a modeled amp) it can get crazy fast, which is why I typically turn the modeled one off. Still, if you do it, and it sounds good to others, go with it.
With an FRFR, you can simply do every single thing in the Firehawk. It's just makes life easier, and you don't need as many fancy connections.
Just as a final bit of input, I love the Firehawk. I think it's a great device. For most guitarists, it's more advanced than anything just about anyone used for decades so if you're realistic, even with its limitations, you can pretty much dial in the sound of any song you've ever heard and liked. If you need to get crazier than that, that's when you have to start looking at the Helix line.
Edit: I realize that this is probably a "duh," but it should be pointed out that the Firehawk does allow, quite easily, a person to connect a favorite, or several favorite, stomp boxes into the chain. So while it's not possible to have two overdrives, a modulation, and a delay with just the Firehawk, it can still be easy to dial in that sound with a cheap distortion pedal connected. For me at least, this has been a very real way that I address the minor shortcomings on those rare occasions that they do pop up. I've just augmented the Firehawk with additional stomp boxes I already owned.
I am almost done with the Firehawk FX! :-(
in Firehawk
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It's not saving?
I haven't had any issues with that, other than it was sometimes confusing at first because you can save in three different spots (the app, the cloud, or the Firehawk itself).
I basically stuck to saving in only the app and the Firehawk. Presets I REALLY like get saved to the Firehawk. Presets I'm still fiddling with, or core tones I often start from and tweak for other sounds, get saved on the app.