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and a proper pitch shifter which is even more bizarre ...............

I always buy things for what they are now ................. doesn`t mean that I can't hope they will fix anomalies like editor inconsistency, especially given the amount of complaints about the PC editor's lack of Cloud connectivity ...... Fender is a different thing entirely, we`re talking about a master of guitars and traditional valve & Solid state analog amps who`ve dipped their toes in the digital waters With Cyber & mustang .. It`s a miracle there ever was an editor for the mustang and Superchamp-X2 at all ! . Line-6 are the total opposite, total Digital specialists that had to rope Reinhold Bogner in to make a valve output stage for a couple of amps .

My first though was that Line 6 should have done that from the start and they`d have sold a LOT more SP-Vs and the amp wouldn't have the horrible reputation it has gained thanks to presets that only can realistically be seen as product sabotage ........ But sadly amps need to make at least some noise - so maybe a dozen or so presets, preferably not made by Line-6 staff and the rest blank ?

KInda thought it was done but you never know - sorting the App / PC package consistency would be a good move though .

the 120 is horribly directional (as it comes, closed) , the only amp I`ve come across as directional was an Engl Screamer 50 ... the 240 has a far better spread . I`m considering adding wadding to the cabs of both amps like HiFi speakers have

Last firmware update was a year ago , wondering if anyone has heard rumblings about an update (to add stuff or whatever like Helix gets and to make the product more attractive the market place ) .. Regarding the software, they could do with letting the APP do full backup dumps of the amp which the PC version does ----- and let the PC version have access to the tone cloud ....... amazed they`ve not sorted that .

I have to admit that I did use the Acoustic presets as a basis for my acoustic sims , using a strat or Ibanez set to the middle and Neck position with lots of post EQ and tweaking , it sounds more like a miked up dreadnaught than any Fishman transducer or even Yamaha multi-pickup setup I`ve heard.. using the Acoustic Variax model as a basis for acoustic simulation is a massive strenght of the SPV that Line-6 haven`t even touched on .................. It`s like the wireless thing, you can link to multiple Spider-Vs from one transmitter just by logging the transmitter into each amp and create a wall of sound even with two 240s (I`ve got a 240 and a 120) , perfect at each side of a stage or to create a deliberate wide delay affect by altering the patch on one of the amps ............. of course Line-6 don`t even mention that you can use more than one amp with a single transmitter ----- but then there isn`t even a proper in-depth manual for the thing, the Pilots guide isn`t what they used to be , tells nothing .

I`d forget the factory presets, they`re lame in the extreme, the amp does way way better than that sad collection , they don`t need tweaking they need DELETING and must be costing many sales , start from scratch, plug your SP4 cab in , switch off all FX, start with an amp , then choose a virtual cab (really just a preset EQ stage) that sounds good for your connected hardware cab then the Mic (another preset EQ stage) and then settings on the amp to sound best, make good use of the Post EQ to add clarity or remove boxiness or honk etc where needed and then add Virtual pedals and FX last ........ I`m sure you can make that cab you have sing if you tailor sounds around it

Another addition ................. Whereas you can use any number of amps with one transmitter (as the amps are oblivious to any others around) , sadly you can`t use two transmitters with one amp ---- they`re obviously ID encoded to stop this, no doubt to stop crosstalk.. if two performers are on the same stage with SPVs and the G10Ts both pick the same channel , it`d be mayhem . I know someone who also has a 240 , we`re going to try two 240s and a 120 in a large hall to see what 600W of Acoustic Sim sounds like ..

Thanks Seafactor - I didn`t realise that the PC App did backups - Gold stars back atcha ! ....................... and the multi-SP-V setup really works well - I bet two 240s , one either side of the stage, one delayed by a small amount will create a colossal sound akin to what an Ant hears standing in front of a Yamaha THR10 ..... you can do it yourself by making dedicated patches for the job but it even with just normal ones it beefs up the sound live massively even with a 240 and a 120 . What I really like is that you can have different patches on each amp to create massive layered sounds ........... As for line-6 making use of this "easter-egg" ------- no chance , we`re talking of a company which thinks that presets that make a superb 2X12 modelling amp sound like a £25 gear4music practice amp are the way to go :( , though in all fairness, thankfully they made the things capable of excellent quality, they simply can`t make patches

on a Further note - I tried running both amps together off the same G10T transmitter using the same patch and it was amazing, it sounded far bigger than you`d think it would especially if you modify one of the patches slightly FX wise . EG I had the 240 running a lead patch with no delay and had strong delay version on the 120 ..... Two Acoustic sims , one copying a bright Taylor, the other a Yamaha APX (used a strat on the neck and middle for this) and it sounded like two acoustics in a large room , massive sound, well impressed ....... even could add the G10 receiver on the same channel again into another amp etc . in hindsight , two 120s setup this way would make a good club rig, shame there wasn`t a way of changing patches on both amps from one floorboard

I`ve already got the 240 2X12 version of the Spider V but wanted a smaller amp as well to use at church and it made sense to have a smaller SP-V as it`ll use my Transmitter and patches .. found a used 120 for a great price (didn`t want to drop to 10" speaker" .. after the 240, the 120 seems very directional, it`s fuller sounding than I expected given the significant drop in cabinet size but go off axis and you lose that, the big stereo 240 eliminates this to a large degree, the only amp I`ve had that`s as directional as the 120 is the Engl Screamer 50 ... some my 240 patches needed a little tweaking of the post EQ to fatten up the low end but on the whole they worked superbly .. very impressed with the amp , it`s loud enough for small gigs but the difference in volume between it and the 240 is a lot more than comparing a 50W to a 100W valve amp would be, the 240 literally Thunders, even fully clean . Two Firmware / App additions I think would be valuable would be an option to back up the whole amp like Vox and Fender offer - it was a pain writing my presets one by one to the amp , this is what you`d have to do if the amp ever had to be reset to factory .. there`s no backup dump option .. The second is an option Format the presets leaving them all totally blank so users are forced to make their own and never have to hear the attrocious collection of factory presets which are that bad they must have been programmed by someone working their notice . Line 6 Desperately need to get some decent Factory sounds in this - these amps are infinitely better than you could imagine after hearing out of the box

Yeah, it`s become a very useful gig tool for me, without all the Flub`n`fart that stuff like the Mustang-IV and Vox VT120+ suffer --- Re the patches and programming I`m also finding that some of the amp models choose the least optimal cab ---------- I`m sure this thing was programmed by an Employee who was working off redundancy or something - there`s a superb amp in there which is being Slaughtered by horrendous presets and bad cab choices .......... Makes an excellent FRFR powered stereo cab too ..

I`m waiting for them to build this thing into a 2X12 240W combo ------ like the Spider-V but with Helix modelling power

Ahh well , Shame ......... I copied the settings manually between the two apps on a couple and got them close - the S-V 240 sounded more refined and touch sensitive than the TT through the SP-V`s AUX in but it was far from night and day --- Both sounded better than the HD500 which was less refined again

it would sound better running the HD500 into the AUX in on the back basically using the 240 as a FRFR powered stereo cab .. I`ve got both too (and for the record I don`t use presets, especially the lousy ones in the V240) , I got the HD500 very recently as it was a good price and wanted to try one after all the hype about the HD engine - and my conclusion is that it`s good but the V240`s modelling engine sounds more refined, less Digital and is far easier to program decent sounds on (clean and high gain) than the HD500 which needs a lot of work to avoid bass light & harsh or just plain wooly sounds (I`m finding the issue is the various EQs and cabs are limiting compared to the better cabs and PEQ on the V240) - funny thing is that it sounds better through the V240`s AUX in than it does through the Hifi or our PA let alone into the input of a regular amp ... I`ll either use the HD500 as an FX processor in the loop of my valve amps or sell it on .

Hi .. I`ve just picked up a TT and wondered how to import patches I made for my Spider-V 240 - as these units use a different app I can`t do it directly and they don`t seem to share the same Cloud-base either as not only can`t I find my submitted SV Patches on there from the Amplifi App but I can`t Find Ola`s "Direct" series SV ones either ............. so how do we share patches across Amplifi and Spider V Folks .................. Thanks

Hi .. I`ve just picked up a TT and wondered how to import patches I made for my Spider-V 240 - as these units use a different app I can`t do it directly and they don`t seem to share the same Cloud-base either as not only can`t I find my submitted SV Patches on there from the Amplifi App but I can`t Find Ola`s "Derect" series SV ones either ............. so how do we share patches across Amplifi and Spider V Folks .................. Thanks

It`s a shame they didn`t use the HD engine or even a kind of cut down Helix and I can`t think of any conceivable reason why but it`s way better than any PodX3 I`ve heard (I cant say I was knocked out with the Pod HD500X either) , so they must have updated the whole modelling engine somewhere ..... The Forum Hyperbole about how bad these amps are rattles on endlessly, but even after a few weeks of use I couldn`t disagree with them more ,.. the 240 2X12 at least is a very servicable Gig and home tool with some features I sorely miss when using my Valve amps not least the plug and go Wireless (don`t need the receiver and usb power hassle) ..... they DO seriously need to put some decent presets in there, most are dull , small and blankety sounding . Oh ---- I`m using an SG 61 Reissue , an 09 Fender USA Deluxe strat with the lame electrics replaced with Duncan HSH setup with splits and a Korean made Epi les paul loaded with BKP, Mule , Duncan SH1 and 80s Dimarzio in a HHH setup .. all work just fine

Well, if someone who owns a Helix hasn`t dumped the thing after a day it says a lot ............ I always thought that they ought to have given the V a different name (Firehawk Jr or even a name that sounds a bit like Helix) , there`s way too much (mostly deserved) past stigma attached to the Spider name . When I demo'd the amp to a mate who`d not seen the V , I covered the maker and name up with black tape , told him it was an amp made by Yamaha (which it is) and demo'd it from my own patches .. his reaction was "Wow , modelling amps have come along some haven`t they, that kills my VT120+ stone dead" .......... I uncovered the names and the response was "No way" ...... people hear with their eyes and even if Line-6 had put presets in which do more than sell other makers amps , the Spider name would put them off ... as you say presets are variable in all modellers, even the VT100X which doesn`t really have presets but starting points - but the Spider V seems to have won the highest number of duds award by miles . I tried the Katanas a while back and found them, while good, are too limiting and quite frankly well overrated sonically I think a couple pedals and a scruffy Peavey bandit would replace and dare say BETTER the 100 Watt one easily at a fraction of the price, they`re that kind of amp . YMMV of course .

Got a Spider V 240 combo a week ago - to be honest , the fact that it has Relay receiver built in has made me want this amp for a while but the reviews which ranged from bad to awful put me off (as did the previous spider line) .. I use Valve amps (old Marshall JCMs etc) and have used some serious kit over the years - I like Modelling amps for small gigs and home, I`ve always preferred VOX to to Mustangs, Spiders, Vypyrs and the like and the latest VT100X version was by far the best with models that actually didn`t sound "all the same but with diff EQ and drive" .. I`m open minded and tried the SV 240 in the shop just dialling up patches and it was Dreadful .... I guess being loaded with Patches that sound like 5" hifi speakers with the tweeters disconnected didn`t help .. the much slammed and pretty awful "Chop Suey" patch is wonderful compared to the supposed Bogner Uberschall one which sounded like a chinese no name £25 practice amp with the treble full down ...... so I started from scratch turning all the FX off, choosing an amp I knew well (marshall through a V30 Cab) and some PEQ to suit the amp being on the floor and a closed back 2X12 and was dumbstruck at how good the thing sounded , added a touch of hall reverb and away ............. did the same with a Fender black face model through the amps own cab model , chose a suitable mic and a touch of reverb -- superb , comparable with the real thing ! . made a Dual Rec (again through the V30 4X12 cab - the "Treadplate" cab sounds like there`s a blanket over it) and Yup - superb ........ all this was within 30 mins of seeing the amp and from the front panel .. I bought it along with the FULL G10 kit , this is worth the extra so you can use the TX with other amps and use the SpiderV while you`re charging the TX - Found out later that the only way to update the G10 TX is through the receiver base , it won`t update from the amp (Doh !!) .. So a week later and I`m still knocked out with the amp even as a gig tool but at a total loss as to why they even bothered to put any presets in it whatsoever, they really are as dreadful as the reviews claim, that bad in fact that I got the impression they were made by someone trying to sabotage sales of the amps !! , I bet they have too ........ I`m finding that like Kemper, AXE-FX , Helix etc, this thing relies on PEQ to get the most from it - not a bad thing when you`ve worked out how to use it properly , a 20 band graphic would have been more intuitive of course but would `t be much fun to use from the panel ...... absolutely love the Variax model which almost turns a single coil strat or Tele etc into a dreadnaught acoustic when the neck or neck and middle/Bridge are used - PEQ again to model the body of the guitar .. Wishes are a more traditional pitch shifter (one you can add to the Acoustic modelling to make a 12 string for instance) -- more controls on the Synth option like the old Boss GT5 had - a "compare" button so you can hear the difference you`ve made to your patch ------- oh and an option to simply Format the Amp of all those dreadful presets ;)