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  1. When you guys are creating a patch with a new amp model, do you try to make every amp model be able to do a “clean” and “dirty” sound? Or do you just leave it at one setting that you think sounds best? For example, if you are using a model like the Uberschall, knowing that it’s a high gain amp, do you try to make it be able to have a clean channel and distortion channel by using snapshots? I ask because a lot of the models are made as if they are single channel amps when they are not, so it’s hard to get a clean sound out of them because you have to turn the gain way down or off and you lose so much volume. I struggle with this when making patches as I like my amps to be able to do both. Thoughts or suggestions? 

  2. I have a question about the helix modelled pedals. If you A/B them with the real pedal it is modelling, should they sound the same ? Or do you need to tweak the settings on the helix to make it sound the same? I’m just kind of curious how the modelling works. If I own a tube screamer and have it the settings set the way I like them, would the same settings with the helix model sound the same or very close? 

  3. I am looking to hear some examples of how other people set up their patches with the Helix. I want to see if there is a different method than the one I’m using that would work better for me. 
     

    Right now I’m basically using one patch for 90% of my playing. I have a Marshall JCM Amp model and I use snapshots on the bottom 4 foot switches to go from clean to distortion. Then I use the top 4 switches for effects, like modulation and delay. This takes care of almost everything I need. However, if a song I’m working on requires different effects, something I don’t use often, I will start a new patch, use the same amp model, and just add the effects needed to the patch. This gives me a consistent tone song after song, as I’m using the same amp model. 
     

    This method has been working for me so far, but sometimes I can’t help feeling like I’m wasting the helix’s potential. It has so many amp models available and I’m really only using one. Sometimes, to mix it up, I’ll set up a  new patch with a different amp model and work out a new song using it. However, when I try to do a set, I find that when I switch between amp models song after song, I don’t like it. The tone isn’t consistent. I must be OCD because I need a consistent tone when I’m playing. I don’t like an entirely different sound song after song. 
     

    I’m wondering if maybe I should set up a few patches the exact same except with a different amp model in each. That way I can get the same tone for an entire set but have some variety with different amps when I feel like switching. 
     

    How are you setting up your patches? Do you have one jack of all trades patch? Or do you make a new patch every song? I’d really like to hear everyone’s method for setting them up. 

  4. I currently run my helix through the fx return of my combo tube amp. I really like the sound I get. I’ve always liked the sound of quality amp modelling, but I’ve really struggled with cabinet modelling, and I just can’t get into FRFR. I’ve been eyeing the power cab for the last few months, but I’m wondering what benefit I would gain from switching. I get that it has multiple speaker simulations, but I’m pretty happy with the eminence speaker in my combo amp. For those of you who have switched from using helix with a tube amp to the power cab, what are your thoughts so far? Was the switch worth the extra $1,000? How so?

  5. On 8/7/2019 at 5:49 AM, HonestOpinion said:

     

    No doubt, that is crazy cheap. Not as powerful as some of the other FRFR choices out there but hard to resist at that price. I would go for it if it is in decent shape.

    How do you think it would compare with an Alto TS112a? The local pawn shop has one for $200 (Canadian). It’s a little bit more, but both are cheap really. Would the alto be worth the extra money?

  6. Anyone have any experience with these? I can get one for $100 right now. I currently use the helix with a power amp and cab but I’m interested in an FRFR speaker for around the house to tweak and get more comfortable with FRFR. Anyone have any experience with these?

  7. 23 hours ago, swturpin said:

    That's the beauty of this setup, you can mic the cab, or go direct...or do both. The Fryette Power Station 2 came in, and works great...seems very high quality, sounds great, and is pretty light and compact compared to a tube head.

    I think this is the route I’m eventually going to go when I have the extra money. What cabinet are you running it into? 

  8. 10 hours ago, swturpin said:

     

     

    I am using the full amp models, it sounds better to me than using just the preamp models. No cab sims to the power amp/cab, and an IR to the XLR for direct to board sounds. Works great for me...I don't have a problem with all of my patches sounding the same, they all sound great, both direct to the PA and also to my cab. It's a very versatile setup, since I can go direct or use it as a traditional amp, or both. Plus I have redundancy if the amp goes down, I still have the direct signal. I've tried the FRFR thing, and it's just not for me, I much prefer a traditional amp sound and feel.

    Yea, this is basically how I am handling my patches. I also couldn't get into the FRFR style. I really like the feel and sound of a traditional amplifier. I actually think I'm going to explore the 4 cable method too. I have some amps that I love and am not ready to get rid of. I can either use the helix as a pedalboard with an actual amp with some patches, and just the power amp with a helix preamp in other patches.

     

    If there is one thing I don't love about the Helix,  it is the fact that it makes searching/buying gear seem pointless. I kind of miss searching stores for new gear. But you just can't beat the convenience of this thing.

  9. I think there's an easier and more versatile setup for this than what anyone is describing above. I have a Hot Rod Deluxe and I run the Helix through the effects return of the Hot Rod. This bypasses the hot rod's preamp and you only use it as a power amp and speaker. Then, on the helix, you can select different preamp (or full amp) models. This allows you to have much more versatility than using the 4CM. Let's face it, you aren't going to be able to do high gain stuff (or even hard rock really) using the fender amp. But when you use it as power amp, now you can get all kinds of different amp sounds, like Marshall Plexi or PRS Archon or 5150, etc. And it's only one cable to connect it. I know that a lot of people think even this setup is wasting a lot of the Helix's capabilities, because you aren't using any of the cabinet or microphone simulations, and there is definitely some truth to this. However, using the Helix in the 4CM is like spending $2,000 on a digital pedalboard.

     

    Another benefit of this is that it is very quick and easy to dial in a good tone. If you decide to go FRFR, there's a significantly steeper learning curve, as you really need to learn how to dial in the cabinet and microphone models properly. What you will quickly find out about the helix, or any other modeler, is that there are a lot of options on how to use them and there is no "best" way. It's all personal taste. You are going to have to try all of them and see what works for you. But based around your current gear, I still maintain that running it through the FX return of the fender if your best bet.

  10. One other thing I am worried about using this method is the possibility that all my patches will sound basically the same. I really like the tone I get from using the Helix with an actual power amp and speaker, but I do wonder if some time down the road this might happen. Do you find using this set up leads to a homogenized tone?

  11. 1 hour ago, swturpin said:

    I use the effects return of several of my tube heads and it sounds great, I prefer tube power because it gives me the feel and tone that I am used to. I have a Fryette PS2 inbound to make things more compact, it should work great too...not to mention it can do a lot of other things.

    When you use the effects return of your tube heads, how do you set your patches? Are you using just the preamp models?

  12. 16 hours ago, erabjohns said:

    Is there a power amp that doesnt color the sound or change the feel of Helix?  Basically something like the amp in the powered version of Kemper?

     

    Powercab is a nice option but 90% of what I play is open back Fender cabs and Marshall  4x12s.  I'd love to have a power option and then run to my own cabinets.  

     

    Line 6 would do well to put out their own clean power amp and then a line of unpowered cabs, open back, 4x12, closed back, etc.  I imagine you can still model the individual speaker, but you'd have the enclosure and power source nailed.  Line 6 would pretty much dominate the market IMO.

    I think what I would love to see is a product where a high quality power amp and cabinet are combined and made especially for monitors so you could run a helix or axe or Headrush through it and it be your entire rig. Maybe there is already a bunch of options for this, but I just haven’t seen them. Although from looking at the matrix website it seems like this can be an options with them. 

  13. 4 hours ago, spikey said:

     

    That's why I didn't mention the Powercab Plus and went the Matrix route. But its more than an FRFR speaker, much more in fact. It has its own speaker and mic emulations with mic distances, and with L6-Link you can control what you want per patch in Helix. I know you like the HotRod Deluxe, but the Powercab Plus is worth investigating. GO to the Line 6 site or Youtube and start reading! It's worth your time. And finally, yes some of this stuff is expensive, but unless you have a buddy that in the music business that can get it for you wholesale it is what it is. That said, the Powercab Plus isn't that much considering what it can do now that the 2.8 patch fixed L6-link. 

    I’ll definitey check it out. It sounds interesting. I tried running my helix through a Headrush frfr and it sounded good but every patch took a lot of tweaking to get it to sound the way I wanted. But When i went through my amps fx return i was able to get the sounds I wanted really quickly. It kind of made me feel like I really liked the amps and effects but not the cab and mic simulation. That’s kind of why I’m looking into a real power amp and cab set up.

     

    It seems like most people who are using the Matrix stuff are using the Helix rack unit. Is there a reason for that? I have the LT floor unit. 

  14. 2 hours ago, FukinA15 said:

    Samething happened to me now I can't do nothing with it I can't even reload my backup files

    I’m in the same boat. I tried reinstalling the updated and it didn’t work. It doesn’t recognize the device. What a pain. Luckily I still have my amp, but still. I’m always annoyed with any guitar gear that requires a computer to use. Sometimes I just feel like going back to amps and analog pedals. 

  15. Hey Guys,

     

    I’m looking for some info about some power amp products out there that I’m not aware of for use with my Helix. I currently run my Helix through the fx return of my Fender Hot Rod Deluxe. I use only the Helix Preamps. I don’t use mic or cabinet modelling.

     

    First off, I want to say that I’m really happy with this set up. It sounds great to me. I have a FRFR speaker, but I prefer my HRD. I don’t want this to be a debate about frfr vs guitar speakers. They both sound great it’s just personal preference.

     

    What I’m looking for is what are some power amp / cab options that people are using with their helix? Are there products out there that combine a power amp and cab, like the tech 21 power engine? If so, how comparable would it be to what I’m using now? Basically, I’m looking to see if there any high end options for this type of setup? As I said, I’m really happy with my current set up, but I’m always curious about better options. Thanks!

  16. 15 minutes ago, jshimkoski said:

    One option that I haven’t seen anyone else mention is to just buy a power amp, such as a Crown XLS 2502 (you might not need all of this power amp’s power though... you could find something cheaper), and run that into a guitar cab (just check the wattage and omns for the cab). 

     

    Basically, this would allow you to setup as if you are going through an FX loop (using the pre amps) but you are no longer tied to a guitar amp. 

     

    Another perk of this, is it gives you control to use whatever cab you choose, whether it be a guitar cab, a bass cab, an FRFR, or a fEARful (the bass guitar version of FRFR).

    That sounds like a promising idea. So you just buy the power amp and hook it up to actual cab, and then run the helix preamps?

  17. Thanks guys. There’s a lot of good points and advice. I’m wondering if the FRFR speaker I’m using is causing some of the problem, or if it’s just a matter of adjusting to the difference in feel between a real amp and frfr. I’m using a Headrush 108 which is a very cheap speaker. I have really good tube amps and I haven’t really played a cheap amp in years so is it possible the difference in sound / tone quality I’m hearing is the difference Is more about the fact that I’m using a cheap frfr speaker? I’d be curious how much better the sound is with the line 6 power cab or the Friedman ? Anyone have any experiencing trying either of these after using a Headrush or similar price range  frfr speaker ? The price difference is really significant. I’d hate to pull the trigger on something like that and not like it

  18. 1 minute ago, DunedinDragon said:

     

    The Powercab is an alternative FRFR approach and still incorporates the cabinets or IRs.  But it does come closer to the amp in the room sound to a degree.

    There's nothing wrong with your approach until it comes a time to go through a PA in which case you'll either have to modify your patch with a separate split off signal path that incorporates a mic and cab if you want to go direct to the mixer, or mic your cabinet with a real mic.  You also sacrifice the consistency of your tone with the cabinet as the sound varies depending on where you or your audience are positioned relative to the cabinet simply due to the way cabinets work as compared to FRFR speakers.

    That’s a good point. I don’t really want to have to adjust my patches all that much once it goes to through the house pa. I wonder if I just need to experiment with different frfr speakers to see if I find one that I like more. I went with the Headrush 108 because it was cheap and I didn’t want to spend a lot of money experimenting. Maybe I need something with a bigger speaker. 

  19. Thanks for the replies and advice. I can’t say I disagree with any of you. But I think for me, what I’m really looking for, is all the great effect and amp models in one unit like the helix offers, but played through a real cabinet speaker. I don’t like the sounds of the mic and cabinet modelling, but to use the rest of the features of the helix that I love, it feels like I have to use the mic and cabinets also. The only other option I know of is to use helix through the effects loop of a tube amp, but a part of the reason I bought the helix was to get away from tube amps and have a plethora of different amps at my disposal. I get that most people feel that helix was meant to model the sound of a micd amp, and not meant to to give you the amp in the room sound. But that’s what I want. I want all the amps and effects of the helix AND for the amp in the room sound. If I want the sound micd for the studio or live I would rather just do it myself. I don’t want it to sound micd up when I’m playing in my basement. Is there not an option for this? I don’t know much about the power cab, but is that what it is for? Thanks!

  20. Hello,

     

    I’m new to Helix and im looking for advice. When I play my helix through a Headrush FRFR speaker I don’t really love the sound. I won’t say it’s terrible, because it isn’t. I just don’t like it anywhere near as much as when I play the helix through the fx return of my Marshall DSL amp. When I use frfr I use amp and cab models in the helix. When I play through my Marshall I use only preamps. I think my issue is that I don’t like cab and mic modelling. I don’t fully understand them and when I play the different preamp models through my Marshall’s celestian speakers I tend to like all the sounds. My question in this? The point of purchasing the helix was to move away from tube amps, so I don’t want to keep using it this way. Is there an option out there that allows this? Is that what the tech 21 power engine is for? What about impulse responses? Would frfr give me a sounds like an actual amp if I purchased a certain IR? I’m new to this world, but so far I find that I like amp modelling but I don’t like mic and cab modelling. I get too confused with the mic distance and all that. I’m used to just playing through amps without all the tweaking. Any advice on this? I’m sorry if I’m not being very clear 

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