grdGo33

The point of that option is that FX loop doesn't have to be on :)

I'd check computer side, you likely don't have any sound from the computer, also, if your PGo is connected via USB, I think you can play music directly to PGO through USB, that would probably be a better setup.  Software like 'Audio Switcher' also allows you to quickly switch sound between different devices.

Think I remember reading that the L6 powered cab was quite expensive... Also in some comparisons, think it didn't fare so well vs competition (ex; real cabs or whatnot).  A lot of people seem to like the $200 headrush FRFR cab, just make sure you<re using balanced cables.  But if you're using studio monitors, not sure how much of an upgrade that would be...  https://line6.com/support/topic/56640-vastly-different-sound-frfr-vs-headphones/

What are you currently using as studio monitors?

2 hours ago, jcnesbitt said:

Would the Pod Go really sound that much better with the 32 or 80 Ohm version?  Enough to justify buying another set?

Nope.

It's too bad they didn't include everything, even if the cost was that you could only run 1 effect at a time, and only with certain amps...

46 minutes ago, voxman55 said:

Well, I think the Pod Go is still pretty intuitive but there will always be things you have to look up with any gear, and things that aren't perfect. I still cant find in the manual where the multi IR load is...which page is it? But the difference is I merely asked the question and didn't lambast Line 6 over it. Lol 

PGEdit manual page 9.  And yeah, could have been much clearer in the manual also.  And that's the thing; some of the GUI/features are so idiosyncratic, even with the manual understanding some of the 'logic' behind some features is near impossible... (only made harder by the fact there is often simply no logic...!)

The issue is a little bit like political correctness. If nobody ever says anything because they are afraid of criticizing a product, telling the truth, being called names, etc., you end up in current clown world where nothing makes sense, because since nobody ever corrected anyone and they just went with the PC narrative and with what was the polite opinion, reality & issues don't come to light, and things don't get any better, they just get worse and worse.  Take Helix; not sure how many of the the faults of the PGo are inherited from Helix, but if more people had complained about what is wrong with the unit, maybe the PGo & PGEdit wouldn't have as many faults as they do now.  Plus, maybe they'll be patched or improved.

1 hour ago, voxman55 said:

 @grdGo33If the manual is wrong, or important stuff is missing, then fair enough. But if it's in the manual (and it's clearly headed impulse response settings on p17) and you just haven't been bothered to read it, I don't think a rant at Line 6 is fair.  How do you think I knew?  because even before I bought it I read the manual!  If you invested a little more time reading the manual & less time ranting and complaining I think you'd be in a far better position to appreciate more good things about Pod Go rather than always knocking it or Line 6 - it's not perfect and neither are Line 6 - but it is a pretty good unit and Line 6 are still one of the best and most customer centric companies out there  - so c'mon - and if you really don't like it that's totally cool, just sell it and get something else that you do like. Just saying, nuff said 

Well that's an entirely different discussion, but I'm glad to have it.  If you need to read the manual because the software is so unintuitive or so badly designed, I do believe a rant at L6 is fully deserved.  In this case, when you select amps, distortions, cabs, effects, etc., you're always provided a list to scroll through.  But not in the case of IRs, as I said, with IR, it shows you a totally wrong value: "1024 - Sample IR", which DOES NOT EXIST, and then, as if you had selected this non-existent IR, you can scroll through this IR settings to choose different IRs?  That's absolutely absurd design.  I don't care if it says so in the manual, it's inconsistent and borderline moronic.  And the fact that you need to read the manual to be able to select a different IR just highlights this absurdity of the design.

Exactly like when you asked how you could import multiple IRs.  Didn't you read the manual?  You were so proud two seconds ago about having read it...  haha!  ;)  :p If you knew how to add 1 IR, shouldn't it have been obvious and easy to add more than one at a time?  It's the same type of bulllollipop you have to deal constantly with the unit.  You try to do something the obvious way it should be done, and it doesn't work, and you have to read the manual to find out how to do it with the idiosyncratic badly designed software/GUI. 

As I said in another thread, might be the best unit at $450, sound-wise it's great, features are great, etc., but damn, even if it might be the 'best' of the pedal gear at usability, it's still poor...  It's a little bit like going to some remote village, going to their best strip club and not seeing single hot stripper... Then asking what's going on; being told that of the 5 villages of the region, these are the best looking strippers and best strip club...  Well that's L6 PGo for me...  I don't understand how so many find it acceptable, and I can't understand how L6 can release a product with design/software of this quality...  But anyway, I'm being slightly hyperbolic.  Like the IR selection 'logic', I'd give 5/10, just blow passing grade...  It works, it's usable once someone taught you how to use it or you read the manual, it's just not using common sense nor consistent with the rest of the system...  It's like bad intern worthy design...  It's not really acceptable work... Sure it works, but as Biden would say.... C'mon man!

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The Pod Go is the easiest multi-effects pedal that I have every used.

Yeah to be clear, if you're going to use PGo superficially or just use its simple features, it's simple.

But the issue arises when you're trying to use the more advanced options;

- Configuring snapshots

- Configuring "Quick Controller Assignments"

- Trying to figure out why the FX Loops clips the signal or why does your looper through FX loop continues playing even if you turn off the FX Loop.

Or just different annoyances:

- Why doesn't Go use grids, instead of having to scroll through lists of 100 amps, 60 cabs,  50 effects,  etc.

- If you've assigned to a foot switch multiple values, why can't you control the on/off state from PG Edit

- As I said, being unable to set a mic & distance and simply switching cabs (changes the mic & distance if you change cabs)

- etc.,

But again.  With simpler units, say you want 'the brown sound', you select the brown amp and voila.  With Go, some amps have 20 settings.  The Bias of the tubes, the BiasX of the tubes, the hum, ripple, sag ... !  Master + channel volume, because the Master influences the amp's distortion behavior.   Do you really need all those values?  Or Is choosing 1 amp, having a drive settings is good enough, if the amp/drive sounds great?

Same thing for Cabs + mics + distance...  Is that a plus for you, or would simply selecting an IR or "Marshall Cab 1" would be good enough?  Do you really need all this added 'Helix' complexity?  Of course, you don't have to use it all.  But if you don't use it, maybe other units are better...  It's a super powerful, but complex unit.  Do you really need 50 cabs, 100 amps, 8 different tremolos (each with different settings), 8 flangers, 8 chorusses, etc.?  Again, each with their own different settings, sounds, etc...  It all adds to complexity.   Sure, you can choose a chorus and use it, and it's simple.  But if you buy the complex PGo, and there's 8 choruses, do you want to know how they all sound, how they work, etc.?  Because if so...   That's a lot more complex than another unit with less stuff & less settings for each...

So sure, it's easy to use superficially, but if you really want to use the unit for its features, and understand everything, it's a lot more complex than other units.  A  LOT more. 

Base usability isn't bad per se.  I guess it's pretty good to just set some blocks & change some values.  But advanced features become tedious & could have been made much better...  But they're still usable.  It's a bit like old sh!t computer systems; where you can become proficient using idiosyncratic & counter intuitive systems.  If you know how it works, maybe once you're used to it it's not so bad.  But it could have been a lot more optimal, intuitive, etc.

3 hours ago, cristt said:

And as for the cab swap example he's mentioning, that is totally crap...you only need to select the cab block and scroll the cabs, and you instantly hear how the cab sounds, while you are browsing them. You DO NOT NEED to select mic and distance UNLESS YOU WANT TO DO THAT, all the mic and distances are already set for you to a typical suitable value. And that is true for all the other blocks.

I think you didn't understand my point.  The  microphone arguably does a bigger difference than the cab, same for distance.  The cab in itself is maybe 20% of the sound.  If you use the same Mic & distance on two different cabs, it will very likely sound closer than if you use two different microphones at different distances with the same cab.

So if you want to compare CABs, you need to use the same mic and the same distance.  So that means you have to ALSO choose the same mic and same distance.  And both mic & distance are 'lost' if  you switch cab.  So you DO need to select them manually, every time.  Otherwise, you're comparing apples and oranges; totally useless comparison.

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please bear in mind that grdGo33 has always been very critical, since day one, to line6 pod go, especially about the interface. And pretty much he's the only one complaining.

Not really true for the "since day 1".  As I remember, I was quite positive at the start, started a bunch of threads about amps, cabs, effects, etc., but the more I used the unit the more I encountered issues and annoyances and the more my opinion of PGEdit & PGo itself changed.

Plus, even if I was the only one to complain (lol), that would not mean that the complaints are invalid.  It's like gastronomy, because McDonalds fanboys do not complain about the quality of the food, it does not mean that the food is of great quality and flawless, and that the complaints of 1 guy would be invalid.  In my case, having a background as a software engineer, I can hopefully pickup on a few things the average guitar player doesn't pick up on, when it concerns GUIs & software.

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Number 1 point either, you don't have to be a tech. 95% of the problems are because people don't do the installation properly.

Now that's crap.  I followed 100% the instructions, and it crapped out on me.  Bricked my unit.  Happened to many others also:

There's likely others, but firmware issues have been recurrent, and I 100% guarantee you it's not user error.
 

You could also try Audacity or some other recording software to really pinpoint the issue to being cubase, or if it's general (driver) or whatnot.

Also what drivers are you using?  ASIO is what is suggested for low latency playback, anyway, I'm definitely not the expert here...  But yeah if you get the same issue using the same driver, well, likely driver issue, if in Audacity using the same driver it works flawlessly, then the issue is likely cubase or cubase + driver...  At least it would help you in your search to correct the issue.

On 11/13/2020 at 3:43 PM, Vics53 said:

But if I get one, I've got the time! First things first: I am NOT a computer guy by any stretch. The things that are a snap for most is a foreign language to me! Of what I understand I would have to connect the Pod Go to my laptop in order to get it going and to start diving into the workings and edits of it. My laptop is an HP 15-gt0119 (Windows 8) that I bought in 2014. Ancient technology by todays standards, no doubt. Speaker system is an Altec Lansing that I've had for many years. So for right now the big question is, would my laptop be enough to handle the Pod Go? I'd hate to get a Pod Go only to find out my laptop wouldn't do the job. As said, need to watch the pennies!

 

I have other questions but that will be later. Thanks in advance for your time and expertise. Have a good day!

I'd be scared if I were you...

1) the L6 updater and firmware update of the Pod Go are ...  Rather bugged, and a TON of people get issues when updating, which crashes their devices, then they have to mess around installing other crap and retrying and retrying, so if you are not a computer guy, GOOD LUCK !!!

2) Pod Go is sadly unstable...  It can just crash on you, so during a performance, that could be embarrassing.  It's crashed on me a couple of times, but if it's for live gigs... Buyer beware...

3) How much do you enjoy tinkering?  I'd say that for me, although I do kinda like my Pod Go, if I had the chance to rebuy, I might have gone with a different product.  PG is powerful, but it's a pain in the butt to use. 

4) Its GUI are borderline m0ronic in general, it's tedious to setup using the PG itself, less tedious from PG Edit but then you can't control PG entirely from PG Edit, so you must have access to PG Edit + PG to have a sort of non-r3tarded interface...  (ex; Much more practical to edit via PG Edit, but  you can't do quite a few things from PG edit, which requires you to still have physical access to PG do those things...  So require the 2 'control interfaces' to have optimal control.  Sad that PG Edit can't do everything it should...)

So given 4 & 5, don't expect the PG setup to be easy and pleasant.  Ex; if you want to compare cabs with PG, you have to select cab, scroll through 45 amps to select another one, you then have to select the mic, the distance of the mic, blablabla, and then you play your guitar, was it better before?  So to check, you have to select cab, scroll through 45 amps to select another one, you then have to re-select the mic, the distance of the mic, blablabla.  And that process took like 5 minutes.  PAIN IN THE 4SS.  And there's 60+ cabs, 15 mics, distance can be from 1 foot to 10 feet...  GOOD LUCK WRAPPING YOUR HEAD AROUND THAT!

So yeah, with 3 and 4 being the biggest annoyances, if I had the chance to redo my PG purchase, I probably wouldn't buy it again.  I'd probably buy or check out one of these simpler units.  But if you're a twiddler and a fiddler, and want max control over everything, and tweak your tone at the max, then PG likely wins.  But below likely better for being simpler and just getting a great tone out of the box, without days or weeks of learning and fiddling...

- Boss Katana.  More limited than PG, but I'm wasting too much time tinkering with PG than playing.  In your case the head version might be a good choice.

- Yamaha THR or THX something... Basically size of a amp head, probably lighter, has built in speakers, lots of different sounds, what I'd probably buy instead of PG

- Positive Grid Spark $250, small, light, good sound it seems, likely simpler and more usable and user friendly than PG ..

- probably others, but these come to mind..

I think the above 3 could plug to PA, but I'd do more research for live gigging... Of course if you have to switch patches during gigging that wouldn't work, unless they have foot stomps or whatever, which adds to price, so then I would likely have to check out other pedal board unit, unfortunately, can't say I've done much research of the competition L6 PGo, so maybe it is still the best unit in the price range....  And if it is indeed the only one that can do everything it does, well, no choice... lol  But Boss has a few GT100 and ME-80, anyway...  https://guitar.com/guides/best-multi-effects-pedals-for-guitarists/

Overall, I'd say my experience with PG has been a bit negative.  Too many issues.  Too many GUI & user experience absurdities which are inexcusable in 2020... Like 1st year college student programming garbage that shouldn't have made it to production, etc.ect.  PITA to 'work' with the unit..

Good thing:  Well it's Helix quality effects...   If you can setup a few patches you like and just play guitar instead of tinkering with the unit and posting in the forums to be able to use the darn thing, PG is for you... But thinking of my last month of guitar, there's been way too much time and energy lost on stup!d L6 PG sh!t that I'd likely not buy it again.

5) I'd also add that more than a few people have noticed the PG killing amp tone.  Ex:  Turn off all effects, and the PG ruins the tone of the guitar, sounds worse than directly in amp...  So bit disappointing

So yeah, thinking... Maybe the PG is the 'best' at $450.  Probably.  Before buying, some claimed L6 interfaces were the best, so that why I went with it, so in some sense, if I'm frustrated with PG, I can't even begin to imagine how bad the others must be... Also this was rather negative, but just at least be aware of this before purchasing!  And at worse if you're having issues with software and whatnot, pick a place where you have a good return policy.  But hopefully, won't have such issues!

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From the 5 lower knobs turn the first knob - labelled 'IR select' above - to scroll through your IR's

RANT:

Works, thanks!

18 hours ago, C_berg1980 said:

"The IR associated with the IR block with in this preset could not be found in the Impulse Library" I can't figure out how to get the IR to load correctly. Any suggestions?

 

Respectfully,

 

Is it a patch you've download and imported?   If so, I remember some saying that the IR has to be in a specific slot, so just importing the IR to the 1st position wouldn't work, you would have to import/copy the IR to the position mentioned in the patch.

If you've created the patch ... !  No idea, I had some IRs which threw errors when importing and could not be imported, but haven't imported some which didn't work.  Maybe you configured the patch then moved/deleted the IR?  I'd just re-select the IR and hope it never happens again...

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Something I've noticed though with IRs is that it a bit annoying, is that they can't seem to be selectable from the Pod Go?  I mean, if I'm editing a patch directly from the Pod Go, it seems like there's always just ONE IR, and it doesn't seem like I can scroll to see the list and select another one...  Looked like you absolutely have to be using PGO Edit to select different IRs?

Line6 does not appear to read this forum.  But yeah there are many threads like this asking for more flexibility, Line6 has never answered any of them.  I don't think I've actually seen a Line6 answer to any topic anywhere...

Or just go Guitar -> PGO -> HX FX -> amp/console/PA instead of using the PGO FX Loop, you're saving a cable and there's not really any point in using the FX Loop, I think...   Yeah especially at the end in the chain like you mentioned, you'd save a useless cable plus a analog/digital conversion.  You can then use the HX FX for post amp/cab effects, and the PGO for pre amp/cab effects.  Pretty cool :)

1 hour ago, jnonis said:

By the way, this start looking like community managers doing damage control.

O RLY?   Search my post history for POD Go Edit: Can you press a footswitch from the app? (PG Edit = suffering)  see if your theory holds up.  lol

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This thread is about full pitch change

That's the only pitch change I know of.  What other pitch change is there?  Partial pitch change?  Do you mean just the mix; as in the % of 'dry' signal going through?

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The pitch shifter in the Pod Go produce a lot of artefacts which make it useless for that purpose, it behaves exactly like the monophonic pitch shifter in the zoom pedal. But the zoom pedal has other (polyphonic) pitch shifter which behaves better for chords and arpeggios.

Well at 3:20 you can hear how the Zoom seems to crap out and makes some fugly digital noise...  But maybe like you said it has other modes where it doesn't...

This one did a comparison with the digitech Drop, spoiler, doesn't find much difference.  But the comments do mention the polyphonic thing, so maybe with clean chords it would be a different matter.

But yeah as I mentioned, I really don't have a horse in this race.  I don't use the PS, as I find they tend so sound artificial, but yeah, it appears that you are looking for a polyphonic pitch shifter, which the PGO isn't as was mentioned, so a no-go for you it seems!    Happy to have learned about polyphonic pitch shifters, peace!  :)

22 hours ago, grdGo33 said:

2)   IN -> VOL -> WAH -> FX LOOP -> DIST -> AMP -> CAB -> DELAY -> REVERB -> OUT  = very high noise, as if the noise gate had been shut down.

I also don't understand #2, the pedal has virtually no noise, it is really virtually silent:  I can have the PGO and amp volume maxed, and I hear zero no noise.  But if I move the FX Loop before the distortion pedal, it gets VERY noisy.  The amount of noise actually depends on which distortion pedals are used, the two L6 distortion being the worse culprits.  But since the Looper pedal makes virtually no noise, I don't understand why the PGO gets super noisy when the FX loop is before the distortion and 100% noiseless when it is after it...   I mean, if the noise was 0.1dB and the distortion bumped it to 0.4dB that would be normal or expected.  But as is, it's really like the noise of the pedal is 0.001dB, but when you turn on the distortion pedal, it becomes 1dB, which is a totally abnormal and unexpected amount of 'amplified' noise, since there's no noise to begin with...

Think I'm slowly figuring it out...  The Looper pedal isn't actually that silent, it just appears to be 100% silent because of the noise gate... (duh!)  My bad...   So it does have its inherent noise.  So when your guitar is plugged to looper to Go, there's no noise because of the noise gate.  But when you introduce the looper pedal through FX Loop, FXL doesn't have a noise gate, noise gets introduced.  Logical.

But it doesn't explain why it clips when at the end of the chain.  I think it might be because of some volume wizardry of the PGO.   And yeah, just tested it, and it seems to be the case.  PGO is weird with volume...  If I use the looper at the start of the chain and play some chords, let's say it'll be 10dB.  But if I play the same thing and record with the looper at the end of the PGO chain, then the volume is like 30dB.  And it clips.  Which isn't too surprising, as the looper is likely designed for instrument level, and PGO's end of chain volume is likely stronger than what a normal instrument would generate.

So it's a patch volume level issue.  I'm guessing that if you want to use a looper pedal in that fashion, your patches need to take into consideration SPL at the end of the chain, otherwise, it can 'overwhelm' your guitar pedals and make them clip.  OR, set your FX Loop send to something like -13dB in my specific case, which results to a more normal input loudness for the pedal, and then it works without clipping.

Which also means that you have to be careful with other devices output/input volumes.  Lowering PGO's volume could result in improved performance.  And going with many of the patches I've downloaded, where people max out the amp's channel and master volume, it's likely to cause similar issues when outputting to consoles, recording software (maybe), and even things like the return of power cab or amp or whatever.. etc...

11 hours ago, jnonis said:

Ok, seems like you have not tried the pitch shifter in zoom devices, and you are talking based on something that you found on internet.

I've tried both, I have the zoom pedal connected to the effects loop of the Pod Go right now, the zoom does the job, it has latency and change the guitar tone (which is expected in this kind of effects) but is useable, the Simple Pitch in the Pod Go is not useable.

I went into this with an open mind, knowing the PGO isn't the best at everything, and having tried the pitch shifter and found it to be a bit lacking, not compared to other units, but just as in not sounding as real as a note without pitch shift (obviously).  But it doesn't seem to be worse than the Zoom, quite the contrary, to my ears, seems to sound a lot closer to the Eventide, which I think is a good thing, since it's a standalone 499 harmonizer...  (PGO's effects are identical to Helix products)

Maybe you're just used to the tone of the Zoom effect and you have set that as your internal reference, and so anything which doesn't sound like it doesn't sound right to you?  Or any clip of something sounding 'right' vs something sounding 'wrong'?  As per the below video, the Zoom does not sound better to me.  Different sure, and if that's your thing ok, but I wouldn't say that PGO's Pitch Shifting is worse. 

So I'm still confused about what is happening with the PGO FX Loops...   So I have a looper pedal.  Depending on where the FX Loop sits in the chain, I get weird noise artifacts.  And that is with the looper 'off'; not looping at all:

1)   IN -> VOL -> WAH -> DIST -> AMP -> CAB -> DELAY -> REVERB -> FX LOOP -> OUT  = noticeable clipping/distortion in the sound

2)   IN -> VOL -> WAH -> FX LOOP -> DIST -> AMP -> CAB -> DELAY -> REVERB -> OUT  = very high noise, as if the noise gate had been shut down.

3)   IN -> VOL -> WAH -> DIST -> FX LOOP -> AMP -> CAB -> DELAY -> REVERB -> OUT  = absolutely ZERO noise, distortion or clipping, works perfectly.

Can anyone figure why that would be?   I thought that because of #1, there was an issue between PGO and the looper pedal, but since with #3 it works perfectly, it doesn't appear to be an issue between PGO and the pedal. 

I also don't understand #2, the pedal has virtually no noise, it is really virtually silent:  I can have the PGO and amp volume maxed, and I hear zero no noise.  But if I move the FX Loop before the distortion pedal, it gets VERY noisy.  The amount of noise actually depends on which distortion pedals are used, the two L6 distortion being the worse culprits.  But since the Looper pedal makes virtually no noise, I don't understand why the PGO gets super noisy when the FX loop is before the distortion and 100% noiseless when it is after it...   I mean, if the noise was 0.1dB and the distortion bumped it to 0.4dB that would be normal or expected.  But as is, it's really like the noise of the pedal is 0.001dB, but when you turn on the distortion pedal, it becomes 1dB, which is a totally abnormal and unexpected amount of 'amplified' noise, since there's no noise to begin with...

15 hours ago, voxman55 said:

@grdGo33 how do you import multiple IRs?  (I'm also looking for a way to export multiple patches ... but not as a bulk download)

Same way as 1 IR, but you just select multiple files by holding shift.  From what I can recall, you can't select multiple folders, but what you can do as a workaround, do a file search for wave files (*.wav), so you'll see a list of all the IR files, and copy them all to a temporary folder.  Then you can select them all in one go from the temporary folder.  You might have to fiddle file names, there's some software which can automatically append folder names and other rules, ex; https://www.bulkrenameutility.co.uk/

But yeah with that, you can do it fairly efficiently.  But again, it's a workaround for the poor PGO software, as importing multiple folders at once could have been supported...

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I guess they were trying to make the user experience as simple as possible

Not that it applies here, but "never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity".  For programming, you could say that you should never attribute the intent of simplicity to what can be attributed to the simplest/cheapest way to do something.  There's also the KISS acronym, and figuring what is the minimum required features and doing the least possible to achieve them...

Of course, they could have had dynamic blocks, and some status bars on top of each effect to indicate the % of resources they'll consume, and honestly that would have confused nobody.  But that would have meant more work for them, it would have been more complicated, so I'm pretty damn sure that's why they opted for the simplest solution to implement.  KISS.

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By my arithmetic that's a total of 82.93%

Not quite sure it's as simple as attributing a percentage for each block...  General computing, it's at least CPU & RAM.  In the Go,  they need to crunch the data within a certain timeframe, so as to the user not noticing any latency.  So yeah if it's only CPU, % could work, but maybe memory is also an issue, and loading multiple blocks could max memory... Who knows...

But IMHO, other than any technical/programming reason, it could have well been decided in a meeting room with the L6 non-technical teams (sales, marketing, etc) teams.  The more the Go can do, the more it will cannibalize the sales of the more expensive L6 products.

Hell, take car manufacturers.  They'll sell a $300 option so that your side mirrors can be moved electrically, but the motors are in all the cars, the cars without the option are just missing the electrical wires required for the mirror to work.  Why?  Because it's cheaper to manufacture all cars with those super cheap motors, than manufacturing ars with/without motors...   So don't be surprised if L6 could have done a bunch of stuff, but decided not to do it, not because it wouldn't have made the product better, but because making it better would have been worse for their endgame financial profits.

What are you trying to do?   The 32 vs 80 ohms won't make a world of a difference.  The higher the impedance, the more juice you'll require to get the same volume.   But, the higher ohms version is superior in terms of sound quality; so ex beyer says: 32 ohms for portable, 250 for home on stereo system, 600 ohms with dedicated headphone amplifier.

Just tried, 50% volume on 32 ohm headphones is about as loud as 80% on a 600 ohms headphone, which ends up about normal listening level.  Maxed the 600 ohms aren't really much louder, so not very loud at all.  The 32 ohms are uncomfortably loud maxed.  So with 80 ohms you should have plenty of volume/power, even if you're trying to damage your hearing.

Generally, open headphones have a better sound than closed headphones.  But closed headphones obviously block outside noises while open don't. 

• Beyerdynamic DT 770 PRO 80 Ohm   https://diyaudioheaven.wordpress.com/headphones/measurements/brands-a-i/dt770-pro-250ω/
• Beyerdynamic DT 990 Edition 32 Ohm   https://diyaudioheaven.wordpress.com/headphones/measurements/brands-a-i/dt990-pro-250ω/
• Beyerdynamic DT 880 Edition 32 Ohm  https://diyaudioheaven.wordpress.com/headphones/measurements/brands-a-i/dt880-250ω/
• AKG K702     https://diyaudioheaven.wordpress.com/headphones/measurements/akg/k702/
• and from a lower price range AKG K240

So if you need closed or you think closed would be better, of that list the DT770 is the obvious choice, but you could also add as mentioned the audiotechnica ATHM50x something, or the AKG K550 or K551.  Think they're all good choices.   https://diyaudioheaven.wordpress.com/headphones/measurements/akg/akg-k550/

For open, the 990 is bright and bass heavy, so if that's what you're looking for, good choice.  If you're looking for a more balanced sound, then the 880 are a much better choice, as is the AKG Q701 or 702.  Sennheiser 599 is also decent, light & comfortable, if you can find a good deal (~100usd), good buy.  HD600 is a classic, but more expensive.  But true, the massdrop 6xx for $220, great buy.  It's similar to the classic HD600 might arguably be the most iconic headphone ever.  But it is 300 ohm ... 

But as I said it depends what you'll use them for, probably for general stuff as well, so getting open would give you the better sound for the money.  But they won't block out sound, and everyone will hear very loudly what you're listening to or playing.  So open are 'better', but if you need closed, then you need closed...  I'd say skip the 990, so that leaves the 880 or the Q701/K702, both great and can't really go wrong with either; both have their fanbase and are classic/great headphones.  and 6xx.

The 6xx is basically the HD650 which was the 'successor' (never really replaced, kinda more like a side-step / brother) to the iconic HD600, and you'll find hordes of fans which will tell you that they're the best headphones ever.  FWIW, I once heard the 650 and I wasn't overly impressed, but these 3 (6xx, 702, 880) are imho pretty much all classics and great buys.   If you'll use them for other stuff, computer, music, etc., you might also consider getting an amp, like schiit has a 99$ amp which is great.  There's plenty of even cheaper amp options also.  Then you'd also have a great listening rig.

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wrong forum, try here!  https://line6.com/support/forum/20-pod-20-pod-xt-pocket-pod-floorpods/

Just to conclude!  If you're starting out with IRs, thanks again @voxman55 and @olerabbit grab these:

1) ML Sould Lab best IR,  It's just one IR, but it's pretty good, very balanced!  Just sounds 'right'.    https://www.dropbox.com/s/m4fwk8jx6m08hse/ML Sound Lab's BEST IR IN THE WORLD.zip?dl=0

2) L6 Allure pack, 6 IRs, but they're pretty good.  https://de.line6.com/allure/

3) Seacow's Christmas pack.  It contains a 45 IRs, they're pretty good sounding all quite varied.  https://seacowcabs.wordpress.com/2019/12/24/seacow-cabs-christmas-ir-pack/

Just with these 3 downloads, you'll end up with around 50 IRs, and while it takes some time to import them all, once you have them it's much easier to jump from on IR to the other, and it's much simpler/faster than going through the L6 PGO cab/mic/distance thing.  I mean, when you click on a Mesa Boogie cab, you'll instantly get the Mesa sound, same for Marshall, and for some reason seem to make the sound 'pop' a little more than the default cabs seem to do...  They just instantly give you "the sound".

But still they don't sound drastically different to the L6 cabs, comparing a Fender one with the same mic they sounded basically identical, but, just being able to click on an IR is much better than having to select the cab, then change the mic, and then change the distance.  Plus not having to remember exactly what every cab/mic/distance setting sounds like and having to endlessly experiment with settings...  A much easier/faster process, and absolutely ZERO messing around with mics/distance, priceless!   Just having these 50 cab options would take you weeks of trial/error configuring the default cabs, and most likely you'd just never get to experience these sounds...

Surprisingly, I was expecting the Tone Junky IRs to sound great, but I found the sound from their free pack to be quite bland and disappointing... Even if some said TJ's IRs were fantastic, I couldn't hear it...  Might be amp matching...  So far I just mainly used the Dirty Placater Amp with heavy riffs;  haven't gotten around to clean and lead.  So maybe they'll do better there...  But yeah to me the above 3 IR packs all sounded quite a bit better.

Also Seacow has a lot of cabs and IRs...  But my issue is that in packs, when you're getting 500 IRs at once, when you get 50 IRs for 1 cab; 10 different mics & 4 different placements for each, that's just too many, and kinda pointless unless you're so picky about your IRs and you're really anal about your mic & placement and want that exact sound...!  It becomes obfuscation through quantity...  For me, too many options, scrolling, and 50 IRs for 1 cab is just too much; much prefer the above packs simplicity!  :D 

Oh, and btw, you can import multiple IRs at once...   Don't do like me and import them 1 by 1... lol