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On 7/21/2022 at 7:42 PM, chugzilla said:

 the ability to turn off blocks we dont need or use and [...] if ya dont have good presets by now you probably never will so we need other refinements and options or else there will be alot of used pod go units for sale lol

The issue isn't that it's not possible to build good presets, it's that it could be way faster and easier, less tedious, more practical, etc. with contextual help.    It's something that does not exist for Pod Go.   https://www.knowledgeowl.com/home/contextual-help

But you're asking for something that you can already do.  You can already download a patch where you have 8 dynamic blocks.  It's super easy, it takes less than 2 minutes.  So ironically, you're asking for more 'flexibility' by adding a feature that the Go already has, a one time 2 minutes effort that you can do yourself, while at the same time, rejecting true practicality by saying that you can still build good presets...  The irony.............   LOL  

( not really funny...  Morel like; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zg5aKZSF9EM but yeah... reminder of why democracy doesn't work, why the west is falling, etc. lolol)

On 7/20/2022 at 3:38 PM, voxman55 said:

Not so - if Pod Go didn't sound really good, I'd have returned it within 30 days - Pod Go's tone and amp/cab/fx options were never a problem.

I for one, know for a fact that when a new product comes out, it makes others sound worse.  And I don't mean in an Apple kind of way, where they covertly and deliberately make your phone runs slower when a new Apple phone comes out; or 'optimize battery'.    You, my friend, are underestimating the power of placebo...!   :D

But yeah it's hard to have a clear view of what is what...  With for instance YT 'reviews' which are often little more than paid advertisements, over-excited users hyping what they own, poor comparisons (just using presets or having 1 unit louder than the other, or bad/different EQ, etc.), PLACEBO about the newer thing sounding better (disappears in blind testing conditions), different cab/mic/IR, etc.,  really hard to know what's what.

I remember when the Helix Alias fix/improvement came out, I tried to listen to it, and it was really on the insignificant / barely audible/detectable, but still some would say it makes a huge difference..... 

I watched a few comparison vids, Go vs this and that.  Side by side, with its excellent effects and all, it tends to hold its own I think with pretty much anything.  I don't think that at the level it is, that it's ever going to be blown away, since I mean already in a blind test vs real amps, it's really hard to tell them apart.

I think also that the effects in Go / Helix are excellent, so when comparing vs Axe Fractal or Neuro Quad or whatnot, when ex; testing the shimmer, reverb, delays, etc., it holds its own.  Even vs that Big Sky $500 dedicate reverb box I don't know the name, I mean, it's not identical but pretty darn close.  Even heard some claim the Dynamic Hall is just as good as anything out there...!  But even the reverbs pre recent updates where somewhat comparable.  Don't think competitors fare that well there with their budget units.

So yeah not perfect; could be simpler imho.  But far from being 'old' or obsolete it looks like.  Sure, more powerfull stuff for more $, attractive features here and there, but I can see new users go for Go.  Still attractive units today despite everything.  Every unit has its quirks and shortcomings.  PGO Edit for instance, not perfect, but 100x better than having no editing software!  Not all units get new fancy effects/amps too, etc. etc., 

On 7/21/2022 at 1:31 PM, voxman55 said:

I agree that Pod Go has more than enough  amp and fx models,

I'll disagree a bit with Vox here!  The Go really benefits from some effects; for instance, the Dynamic Hall/Plate reverb, the Shimmer reverb, etc., these are extremely nice features to get as freebies, so yeah a big YMMV.  For me these were fantastic additions, but that's not something I would say for all effects...  But reading a bit the comments and tutorials and stuff, for instance for the Amps, some have said that the new amps just sound better and better, even if the L6 process to create them is the same as the original amps.   Amps are kinda crucial, so I don't doubt one sec that most of the users are glad to have new great sounding amps.  Again, YMMV.  FWI, the Benzin is one of my favs, it's a new amp.  The US Princess is another community favourite I think, so kinda nice to have.

What I'd really like to see is some sort of contextual help.  In PGO Edit, when configuring an amp/effect, being able to put your cursor on a setting and getting the explanation.  That would be GREAT help, as often you have no clue what a setting does, so having a hint / mouseover with short explanation would do wonders for improving user experience, as having to do a web search for the info every 10s is a pain.  If the mouseover could give tips that would be even better.  (like "value ~5 is recommended, but 7 is great for ___ and try value 3 with this other parameter at 7 for _____!"

++ for the rest of Vox's post!

btw do these work ok for any of you?

I tried them briefly yesterday, and they seem to track ok for one note, but it goes completely garbled if there are more than one note at a time.  Which I'm sure is normal; not polyphonic or whatever the word is.  But even with one note, seems to be a bit bugged...  

For the String Theory for instance, the way it works, as you play a note, plays the string.  Each string note has a start, middle and end.  The start/end being when the bow starts/stops moving, so very soft, the middle is the note playing; so loud string noise, then the end, bow stops, so goes very soft.  As you play many notes, it goes to this iteration quickly, but if you're playing quickly, it just tends sticks to 'middle' where it's loud.  Great!  BUT, sometimes it bugs out, and it just stays soft all the time... Then you don't hear any string noise anymore, just muffled noises.

Maybe it was my settings, was using a clean amp, is there any tips for it to work better?  But yeah, for me, it felt a bit uncontrollable and unpredictable.  Don't think it was my picking or anything; really like if it was bugging out ...!   It almost felt like it was the DSP; like if there was too many things going on and the Go could not keep up and the effect just bugged out..  But yeah maybe it's just me also, maybe I was doing something wrong?!

yeah, the latest update contains a bunch of synth effects!

OH SNAP!!  Nice!  :D

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POD Go 1.40 (released July 19, 2022) includes a new Line 6 original amp, 9 new effects, 18 additional Legacy effects, and bug fixes, and is recommended for all POD Go and POD Go Wireless users.

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Anything else I should know?

Yes. We STRONGLY recommend performing a factory reset AFTER UPDATING your POD Go firmware to 1.40 and THEN RESTORING YOUR BACKUP. (Backing up is part of the update process). Here's how to perform a factory reset. IMPORTANT: MAKE SURE YOU HAVE A BACKUP FIRST, AS A FACTORY RESET WILL ERASE ALL YOUR WORK!

 

1. While holding footswitches C and D (top row, 2 middle switches), turn on POD Go. Wait for "Will reset Globals, Presets, IRs..." to appear in the upper left corner of the display and let go.

Ha!  Ok just a FYI, last step of PGO update;

<Update complete.  yaddayadda  successfully 1.3 to 1.4  yaddayadda, POD GO is rebuilding its preset library and will reconnect to Pod Go edit in a few minutes.>

It won't reconnect automatically to Edit, you can click back to Edit, and if it's done it's going to connect, if it's not done I guess it won't... (I was waiting for it to switch back but I don't think it's going to switch back by itself  lol)

And again just to be sure, when restoring the backup after updating and factory reset, you're also better off restoring the 1.3 presets over the 1.4 presets? 

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If I have no gain or light overdrive the sound is kept in good levels , but If I have a delay or some filters  or more drive the sound

Think your issue might be that if your Blackstar isn't 100% clean (distortion/gain), so your amp will distort multiple simultaneous sounds and that is why you think the looper is bad quality.  A little bit like with overdrive, a single note sounds relatively clean, but a power chord gets nasty.  So if you're looping multiple samples, you're getting the power chord effect from your amp.  Maybe.  Basically, your amp should be 100% clean, which sometimes isn't the case even when you set the drive/gain to 0. 

Being Blackstar, maybe ...  [EDIT]  But looking at the amp, woa, nice tube amp with a clean channel, so that might not be it either.  But tubes, always have some inherent distortion..   What you can also try to confirm if that is your issue, connect headphones to the go and see if you're hearing the same thing when using the Looper.  Headphones is really a quick easy test to do.

Otherwise, yeah, as phil mentioned, the more layers you add, the less clear everything becomes; trait of loopers I think, any noise also gets compounded, so if you have any noise, adding multiple layers of it every time just degrades the overall looped sample.

On 7/17/2022 at 4:53 PM, vasileLupu said:

 To have the impedance issues solved, more DSP power and so on.

btw, the impedance is supposedly solved for new units, and getting fixed for free by L6 for existing users.

Also, about DSP...  Well... Yeah...  It makes the decision harder.  When it was released, it wasn't really an issue as nothing else was comparable, and just getting Helix quality in 450, well, for me that was a ridiculously easy choice, having considered buying the Helix earlier.  But today.........  I wouldn't say competition is 'more powerful', since I'm not sure the cost & FX quality and all....   

But for instance, the MX5 has no accompanying software, so even if PG Edit isn't perfect, it's way more practical than fiddling on the tiny touch screen and all.  And Go has Helix FX quality.  Soo...     BOSS has BOSS Tone Studio.. Hmm.. Anyway, not as an easy decision as 2020.  :)  Good luck!   

But yeah, nothing wrong with waiting a couple of months/years also, you likely have a current rig, so if it does the job.  If L6 doesn't release anything new, likely other companies will also.  But Go's resale is likely good, could probably get 300 I'm guessing for it, so for a 1-2 year 'rental' definitely cheap. 

Think the V2 was the wireless.  So the next one if there is one would be the PGO V3.  But that said, I don't see it either.  PGO is based on Helix, and as long as there's no new Helix, and I don't see L6 build new algorithms or whatever for the Go before the Helix.

A more powerful Go would just, imho, cannibalize more expensive units, and it would be a bit redundant.

You can read my thread about competitors, but having looked a bit into it, I think the Go is still very relevant and has a unique set of features.  So it's not obsolete.  And Helix sound for ~450....  It's never going to be 'bad'/obsolete.

I think if you like the Go's set of features, I'd recommend buying.  If you don't, in 3 years you might be in the exact same place, and there might not be more info about any new versions.  Just take the Helix as Vox mentioned, it's 7 years old, and there's no news of a new version.  So if you wanted the Helix but waited for its updated version, you'd still be waiting.

But who knows really!  There's the HX Stomp XL, and I'd not have predicted that coming out.  There could be a Pod Go XL, with more DSP and some extra stuff, who knows!

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Re units like MX5, Ampero, Mooer GE200 etc, yes of course you can gig these but it depends on your needs. If you are in a covers or wedding band and need to change tones quickly, particularly mid song, you might struggle with MFX that have less footswitch control as it may require a bit more tap dancing.

Don't let the lack of switches fool you, for the MX5 at least, there appears to be different modes you can set it to, and basically it's the equivalent of PG's snapshot mode;  https://youtu.be/_m7o9LbI-xU?t=1977   and again, if there's no Pod Go sound cut off when switching different patches, then you can go from one patch to the other so really you don't need a dozen buttons, you can just setup patches for every sound you need. 

The drawback to the HR unit seems to be sound quality;   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgUE6po_Cyw    So the quality of high gain amps might be lower to Go, but, somehow I've read lots of comments of how amazing it sounds so again, who the hell knows...   Likely 'good enough' for most, but not as good as others... 

Even the Helix/Go, some have complained or stated that it didn't sound as good as this or that unit, others have said the opposite, anyway, HR MX5, probably ranks lower than the top dogs.  Like everything; YMMV, subjective opinions and all of that.

So I don't know...  Guess Go is still in the running, switching from Go to another might be more like a side step rather than an upgrade at the moment; all have +/-, so just subjective choice; not like it's clearly inferior to the newer stuff out there.

On 7/16/2022 at 4:41 PM, voxman55 said:

Headrush mx5 and Ampero are not comparable units to Pod Go; fine for home but insufficient footswitch control for gigging. Ditto with the Mooer GE150/200/250 units, and the NUX Mg300.

That's quite the absolute statement!  It's a bit funny to hear when you think about how musicians for so long have been gigging with pedalboards and even just simple amps.  Are you absolutely certain that it would be impossible to gig with those?  ;)   

But yeah seriously I don't really have an opinion on the matter, I think many would disagree with you as reading comments many do seem to use ex; MX5 for gigs.   But yeah, ymmv.  Some reviews seriously stated that you wouldn't gig with the Go because its rear is made of plastic.  LOL

Also, I really doubt that most people buy the Pod Go to do gigs.  It would be a really weird choice too.  I'd think at least you'd get an Helix LT or something, if you were a pro & did gigs...   But what do I know!

Thx, fixed!  Added Hotone Ampero which is yet another multi-FX unit, with apparently great user experience (configuring patches). 

Yep, market is pretty crazy...!

(tried editing above to add but edit bugging out...)

Yeah and reading some of the comments on the MX5...  (from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Vvc5RExeDY)

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2 months ago

Everytime I hear headrush it's exactly what I want my helix to sound like..... Helix is hard work. Too much hard work.

 

7 months ago

I've been using the POD GO for 6 months now, and the Helix LT for about 3 months. I love them both but this MX5 has my attention. It sounds phenomenal and its size really appeals to me. After 30 years of gigging my rig has gotten smaller and lighter...this MX5 would make my current rig even smaller and lighter. I've tried FRFRs but prefer an amp (I current run a Quilter into a light-weight cab with a 1x12" speaker). SO basically I use the POD GO or Helix LT as a pedalboard.

 

8 months ago (edited)

Great video. I have had the PODGO for about a year. I think it is a good unit with many pluses. However I've always found myself constantly tweeking and trying different IRs, not getting much else done and couldn't get to the place that I was really happy with the tone and feel. Then I bought the MX-5 a couple months ago because I really liked my Avid 11 Rack in the past. Within minutes I was grinning ear to ear with the tones I was getting. Without much aggravation, I have several usable tones I'm happy with that I don't sit and mess with and not play and record. I do agree that IRs and proper EQ is key with any modeler. Digging the York IRs at the moment. This is my experience and ears. That being said, I think the newer Line 6 stuff is good. I have the HX Effects unit which I think is phenomenal. I hear many Nashville Session guys have them on their board. Keep up the great videos.

 

9 months ago

Considering the price $399, MX5 is the game changer in the market definitely. Same DSP power with other larger pedalboard and the compact size is killing me. I bought this one right after official release and sold my Zoom G11. What Headrush Pedalboard has is in this tiny cute MX5. I strongly believe that those who love compact multi modellers and powerful machines, I think MX5 is the answer. I am in love with this tiny but growling machine. :)

 

7 months ago

Simplicity is the reason I went for a Headrush pedalboard instead of the Helix or Fractal. The drag and drop smart phone style of interface just seemed right to me. I have had many other digital effects units where I wasn't to unlock all it's capabilities because navigating through the menu was either a huge hassle or too complicated. Very happy with the Headrush.

complexity is recurrent complaint seems like.  I for sure won't make the switch, I don't think I'll be buying a HR MX5 for now, but damn...  Yep...  Like the Boss, if it was today, HR is looking mighty attractive too.

[edit]  But yeah HR MX5 for amps and all, plus PGO maybe for the sweet reverbs like Ganymede and Dynamic Hall (I'm a real sucker for fancy reverbs, and not sure how the MX5's compare), I could actually see this in the future.  

And cheaper than the Boss too!  At ~630, it feels a bit like ~500, which is almost in budget price; kinda feels like budget / throw away money... At 830, 960 with taxes, you're nearly hitting 1000, which is double than 500, it's like a big jump mentally.  Like yeah you're spending more serious money.  Are you getting 2x as more with the Boss as the MX5?  Just a couple hundred bucks, but it just feels different given the price brackets..

Yeah, but to be fair, looking at the prices:

- 629 / 719$cdn for Go/GoWireless. 

- 829$cdn for Boss GX100.  So ~30% more than the non-W Go.   Add taxes, 960 vs 730, $230 cdn difference after taxes...  It's significant, not huge, but Go is still cheaper.

• Headrush MX5 = 629, so identical, Hr Gigboard = 899. 
• Zoom G6 is 349. 
• Mooer is ~700. 
• Valeton GP200 is ~460 looks like.

• Hotone Ampero is 370

Haven't looked much into any of these, but as I said, I'd likely check them out and if I had to choose today...... Who knows!    Maybe a price drop is also incoming for the Go, or new version or replacement coming up.  Would depend on sales and all.

The Headrush MX5 looks very cool also.  It actually looks closer to what I was describing in amps/mics/ir, effects #, etc.

• Number of Effects: 63
• Effects Types: Distortion, Dynamics, Modulation, Reverb, Delay, FX Loop, Expression
• Amp Modeling: 46 x Amp Models, 15 x Cabinets, 10 x Microphone Emulations
• Impulse Response: 300 x IRs, 3rd Party Support

I think before owning the Go, the # of amps, effects, etc., were a plus, but after 2 years and my usage...  Not even that it's a plus, maybe it's even too much..

Hell, the MX5 has DUAL AMPS AND DUAL CABS ........ !!!  It's really a small sexy unit too.  Looking at a vid I see something like 9 blocks for effects, maybe its limited by DSP but still, 4 vs 9.  9 > 4.  It's FIVE extra.  That's more than twice as much as the Go.  Ouch....  Touch screen...

On 7/16/2022 at 10:27 AM, voxman55 said:

I agree 're complexity. The Boss GX100 doesnt have anything like the number of amp models, but in addition to some 'conventional' amp models, Boss has gone down the route of what it calls AIRD (Augmented Impulse Response Dynamics) that offers some core amp tones and combines them with IRs, so it's much easier and quicker to get a great amp tone. Combined with greater processing power, touch screen, fully assignable control foot switches and up to 15 non fixed blocks with dual routing and polyphonic pitch shift, with full XLRs, the GX100 is imho the new MFX to beat.

 

It's underlying UI is still a little quirky, and although it doesn't have snapshots per se, it's assignable footswitches and 'instant' patch changes with no noticeable lag means its actually more useable from a gigging perspective. What it doesn't offer is global switching between wah and volume, but afaik no other MFX offers this, which is a Line 6 USP. 

 

Size wise it's longer and thinner than the Pod Go, but around a similar weight albeit a little heavier, with all metal chassis.

 

Subject to Line 6 or others bringing out a new range of MFX,  if I was going to buy a new MFX in the sub £500 bracket, currently the GX100 is the one I'd go for.

Hmm... That sounds pretty good!

Yeah also a bit more expensive if you don't go PGO wireless.  The snapshots are a bit of a workaround for the Go's issue that the sounds cuts out when you switch patches.  Means you can't switch patch mid-song..  But Boss, you don't have that sound cut off, so you can just make 4 patches and it's even better than snapshots, which are more a pain in the butt to edit than regular patches.  So it's way more flexible as you can literally go from anything to anything, and 200 patches is plenty...  Effects trail carry if both patches contain the same effect if I recall.

"Up to 15 simultaneous effect blocks provide unlimited tone possibilities"  <--  Go users begging to unlock a 5th block if DSP is available.  LOL

nd yeah, from the comparisons, maybe it's because newer units are newer, but people tend to go for the newer units rather than the aging Go.  Doesn't make it worse than it was ever, just So that L6 has its work cutout for the Go, if it wants it to remain competitive, it would really benefit from improving it as much as possible, because it's apparently getting left behind by its competitors.

And yeah, obviously, I still think the PGo is an INCREDIBLE machine.  It's mind-blowing what it can achieve, everything you can do with it, it's relatively cheap price, quality of amps, effects, etc.  It's downright amazing and honestly mind-blowing.  I really love it.  Is it perfect?  No.  Do I regret the purchase?   Obviously not.  I'm still amazed with it today.  The updates with new effects/amps/etc., just the cherry on top. 

Really fantastic unit, great product.  The above comment has a lot of criticism, but even with the UI, firmware issues and all, highly positive experience, and I haven't regretted my choice for a second.  Like minor gripes, which can be solved, ex; using best IR solves the cab/mic/IR issue.  You learn 3-4 amps, reverbs, distortion pedals, etc.,  which takes time, but once you've learned, it's learned, and you definitely don't have to learn ALL the amps, effects, etc., you don't even need to know what all the settings/effects do.  You can just use part of it and it's still perfectly fine.

I'll likely not 'upgrade', it's really just a passing thought which popped up seeing a vid, which got me curious.   But who knows, maybe!  ;)   :D

An upside to the Go though is that it does have some excellent effects.  So even if you were to get a new unit for some reason, there would still be use from the Go as an FX unit; bypassing amp & cab, just using for the fancy reverbs, looper, etc.,

Competition

- Boss GX-100

- Mooer GE300

- Headrush MX-5

- Valeton GP200

- Zoom G6

There's a bunch of also cheaper effects, at 1/2 the price, but even if somehow the sound quality of the cheaper units was great, I think all these lose out in flexibility, like ordering effects, PC software, colour screen, etc.

Think I'd have a hard time choosing given the Go's alternatives today.  Indeed, two years ago, going Go was the obvious and easy choice as there wasn't that much competition imho.

Go's complexity

The biggest drawbacks imho to Go is complexity.  I'm still not super happy with the cab/mic and IR side.  Out of my 100ish IRs, I'm often just scrolling and scrolling and the majority sounds like 'crap' to my ears.  They may be imitating real cabs and real mics, but I don't really care, I'd just want 'good sound', I'm not really interested in being 100% accurate to the real thing; I'd just rather have a bunch of great sounding emulated/virtual cabs even if they aren't accurate to existing cabs.  In fact, I was wondering if 'optimal' or 'virtual' IRs exist, some do; like mixes of different cabs...  I'll definitely have to look into that.

Cabs, mics, mics distance, IRs ...

99% of the time I'm messing with Go, I use the Best IR in the world, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BI6rovO03DA since yeah obviously it's the best IR in the world!  I've not wrapped my head around cabs + mics.  The cab + mic + distance is just too much for my brain (memory & understanding), and I can't get a good grasp / ability of thinking of a sound and getting it by tweaking the settings.  Too many combinations of mics, cabs, add the distance, the hundreds of cabs and mics combinations, it's just too much for my brain.

Do we really need so many cabs and effects?  How many different compressors do you need?

It's the same for the effects; amps, etc., it takes a long time to really know 1 effect (ex; dynamic hall reverb, or glitz, compressors.), so even after 2 years, I'm really far from being a PGO expert.  Hell, Go is too much for my brain.  I'd say I'm maybe familiar with ~10%; I'm starting to know some amps, effects, but I've got what, maybe 3 dozen patches I've built up, and maybe 6 dozen downloaded patches, and I'm mostly using the same ~10 favourite patches, which I'm still tweaking..

Who is Go best for?

So in the end, maybe the Go is best for musicians, experts who really want 'real life' simulation.  For an amateur like myself, maybe a simpler unit would have been best.  How many cabs do we need?  How many amps?  If we had just 12 great amps, even if they're not based on real amps; bit like the Boss Katana or L6 Spider type of logic;  'brown sound', 'crunch', 'metal', etc., with like 12 amazing IRs, that would have been waaaaay better and sufficient for me. 

Maybe we don't even need cab/IR block in reality, you get some EQ capabilities with amps & EQs, I'd prefer having say 24 amps and no cab/mic block,  vs 12 amps + 12 cabs.  The 24 amps would be tweaked amp/cabs/ir combinations, so great sounding 'presets' for the genre, vs you having to find which combinations works and doesn't work;  so;   tweaked presets, vs you having to resolve the puzzle of what works/doesn't...  So; someone having done the work to give you great Amp + cab/IR combinations, rather than you having to figure/tweak everything yourself.

Do you need a PhD in Pod Go?

Not really, Go is simple enough so that anyone can fiddle with it and get basic good sound in just a few minutes.  BUT, if you want to extract the most out of the Go, and make it sound it's best, or exactly like you want, it's really not that simple.  The devil is in the details.  And IMHO, the more complex, the more true, and Go is extremely complex.

Pre-conclusion

So yeah, imho Go is still a great unit in terms of sound quality, capabilities, etc., still a great option, but yeah I don't really know the competition, which seems somewhat overwhelming/overtaking the Go.  Think yeah the go is starting to be a bit underpowered from some of the comparisons I've seen...  

Hell.. I said I wasn't looking for an upgrade...  But thinking, maybe I'll start looking at the details of what's out there.

Is tweaking Go fun or work?

And honestly, the reason is that PGO feels like work.  It's like getting a PhD in PGO.  And using the Go 'correctly' is using a bunch complex formulas; it really does feel like work in a sense.  You can mess with effects/settings/etc., but it's always frustrating that everything is always so complicated;  like a simple thing;  a stupid mouseover which explains what a setting is................  Instead...  It's having to get on the computer and do a web search for w-t-f  a setting does ..........  That's not fun..........  And in the end, you're all too often overwhelmed.  So... Meh...

Future?

So yeah, ditching that for a simpler unit honestly feels somewhat exciting.  If somehow you're getting improved sound quality, huge bonus, but in the end, since getting the best out of the Go is so complex.............  You're going to get better results if the unit is simpler to use.

Like the Dynamic Hall.........  I've been wrestling with it for a couple of weeks.  Sure, I've managed to make it sound good, but it's always like i'm missing the last 10% that I just can't get quite right...  Ex;  videos demoing sound, the reverb will sound better to my ears on the video than on my Go it seems........! 

Conclusion

So yeah, if getting to the finish line is made easier by having less options/complexity; a simpler unit helping you to get great results without overwhelming you with a gazillion options, that would be best for me.  That may be the Go's biggest drawback for myself.  It's not the lack of outputs, parallel paths, multiple amps, not enough DSP or blocks, sound cut during patch change, etc., it's just that the thing is a bit of a pain to use due to its complexity.  (Not as per switching amp is complicated; but so many amps and so many amp settings, or so many effects and so many nebulous effects settings, etc.)

Looking forward to the next Go update!  Lots of cool stuff in the 3.15 helix firmware which PGO 1.4 patch likely would inherit from.  But we already got some parts of the 3.15 firmware it appears, like the dynamic hall reverb, is there a sort of readme of what the next Go update might contain?

Wow!  Impressive work.  It got me thinking that trying to reach someone from L6 might be really beneficial.  There really is nothing sensitive about the json patch format imho, and if community tools popped up which allowed to convert helix patches to pod go patches or the such, I'm sure it would be for the benefit of L6; having Go users having access to Helix patches might influence potential buyers to going with Go rather than a competitor.

It's even something I'm sure L6 would like to put out; if they had free devs, I'm certain they'd love to offer such tools to their user base.  So if community tools might be a thing, maybe L6 could provide some documentation about the 2 formats; helix and go.

BTW, there already exists a Helix patch visualizer:   https://dbagchee.github.io/helix-preset-viewer/

Maybe contacting the creator of the above for coop, as if you could collaborate to create an exporter using his reader, that would save you a lot of work and likely improve both projects; harnessing power of the community.

Just curious if some of you have been following the multi-FX units lately and have a decent understanding of where the Go sits these days?  It's barely been 2 years since I bought mine, really not thinking of selling or upgrading, but it seems that there's been quite a few additions to the list of competitors, and I'm just curious how they all stack up vs the Go.

Thx for the info!  Somehow had missed that one.  (It wasn't nearly as cleared last time I checked).

I'm wondering if it's worth fixing...  Has the fix been made public yet?  If it's just replacing a cap or something...

And yeah I agree, the issue isn't dramatic.  Once you add EQ, an amp, an IR or cab/mic, reverb, distortion, etc., the more tone changing  you do, the less important the issue becomes.  BUT, that also means that the cleaner your tone, the more you are to notice the issues.  Think clean strat tone is worse.  Also, not 100% sure, but I think some guitars might be affected more than others, esp single coils vs humbuckers...

Don't think I'll send it in myself...  Putting in a pedal in front isn't a big deal, otherwise, for most of my patches I just likely wouldn't know the difference either way.  No L6 service in my city, 1 week isn't the end of the world, but could be more, could be issues, bleh!

On 7/13/2022 at 4:07 PM, Bahnzo said:

I came across this issue quite by accident. I've been using a Joyo Roll Boost pedal for a simple volume boost when I need one, and I use it directly inputted and not in the effects loop. I noticed my guitar tone changed (and for the better) when it was plugged in, so I've been using it the last couple weeks. Come here and read all this, and now I know why. 

So, a simply Joyo Roll Boost works well as a cheap pedal if you want to add it to the list. 

It appears to be a true bypass pedal though, so, does it only work when it's turned on?  BOSS and other buffered pedals work whether or not the pedal switch is on/off, so can be used on/off for the fix, but a true bypass pedal, if it works when on, likely doesn't work when the pedal is off...

For myself, I didn't buy anything new...   Using an old Akai Looper between the guitar and Go, and using a 2nd Amoon Nano Looper in the Go's FX loop...!  Bit weird to use 2 loopers, but the 1st one is used for PGO fix and for tweaking patches (play sample, repeat, tweak patch while sample plays), and the 2nd looper is used as a 'true' Looper;  FX loops configured at the end of the chain, so when playing I can record a sample using Patch 1 (clean) and then switch to Patch 2 (distort) and play over recording.  So lot more flexible.

Did you try what was recommended in the comment just above yours?  If so, what were your thoughts?  From what I quickly saw, looks like your amp has no aux/cd in so what is recommended above is very likely your best bet.  No miracle solution I'm afraid!

On 6/14/2022 at 5:29 PM, voxman55 said:

UPDATE: To be confirmed, but I believe that Boss have now reached out to him with a view to covering this under warranty.  If so, I'm genuinely pleased for the guy, and delighted that Boss has seen sense - but what an ordeal to go through with a brand new piece of gear!

The power of public shaming.  A shame it has to go that far to get decent support...  And a shame that it's not standard, it may have solved his issue, but unless Boss has revisited its warranty policies, it's just a public stunt to save face.

It makes you wonder also how reliable those multi FX units really are.  I mean, firmware is one thing, but even overall...  Electronics these days are disposable, you're not expected to keep a cellphone or a computer for more than a few years.  There's always something that breaks anyhow, and the more complex, the less realistic is a repair, and the more likely for something to break.  And the price of repair vs brand new units, often makes very little financial sense to try to repair anything as repairs are expensive and as tech moves so fast, what's just a couple of years old is already obsolete and new units are just faster & cheaper.

So yeah, imho firmware 'bug' should have been covered by warranty, otherwise, I wouldn't expect anything like the Go to last anywhere near what 'normal' pedals go; if mine lasts 10 years I'll be super happy.  Last time I check, my Digitech RP6 and Zoom2020 were still going strong though  lol

On 6/6/2022 at 9:02 AM, Scheol said:

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Thank you for the lesson.

No front.  ...  With the Helix, I got exactly that. 

I was referring to someone taking the time to try to help you out and you replying with "Since there was no helpful comment" .  Guess I could have took it as a cultural or language thing rather than a character thing, but many people just plain suck:  Self-entitled, rude, selfish, etc.  With time, you exclude these people from your life, and the people that remain can skew your vision of humanity.  Being reminded that trying to help out a stranger is an idiotic concept and a total waste of time is a very valuable life lesson.  People suck.  Thanks again for reminding me.