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On 11/28/2023 at 2:40 PM, rd2rk said:

We cannot agree to disagree on this subject because it works the way it works and that is easy enough to prove.

 

Set your Globals as follows:

 

Preferences:

SS Edits = RECALL

SS Reselect = RELOAD

 

MIDI:

SS CC Send = ON

 

On a New Preset set IC1 on SS1 to send a CC# other than 0.

 

I assume that you are using a MIDI Monitor to track what the Helix is sending.

 

Select SS1. What's sent is CC#69 with a Value of 0 and whatever you set on IC1.

Reselect SS1. What's sent is ONLY CC#69 with a Value of 0.

Select SS2. What's sent is CC#69 with a Value of 1 and CC#0 Value 0.

Reselect SS1.What's sent is CC#69 with a Value of 0 and whatever you set on IC1.

 

Now go back to Global>MIDI and disable "Snapshot CC Send" (OFF).

 

Repeat the above sequence.

Everything related to IC messages remains the same. CC#69 is no longer sent.

 

"Snapshot CC Send" does NOT affect IC function, it ONLY enables/disables sending of CC#69 on SS select.

 

I am not relating this from memory. I followed the procedure I described so that I would be certain that this test will prove what I'm saying.

I've been using CommandCenter since the day it was released (LONG ago).

You are not the first to be confused by this. I may have been the first :-P

If you still don't believe it, contact support and ask them.

 

 

 

I stand corrected. The #69 messages do not get sent with Snapshot CC Send disabled. All other messages are sent as expected.

 

Thanks again for all your help.

 

On 11/28/2023 at 1:33 PM, rd2rk said:

No. "Snapshot CC Send" ONLY enables/disables sending of CC#69. Sending anything via IC is ALWAYS enabled. "Snapshot CC Send" has NO effect on the IC functions. 

 

Hopefully, we can agree to disagree. That is not how it works.

 

Thanks again for your help.

 

Thanks for your reply.

 

On 11/27/2023 at 2:24 PM, rd2rk said:

"Snapshot CC Send" enables/disables automatically sending CC#69 when a snapshot is selected, not CCs assigned to ICs or Switches.

 

Snapshot CC Send does not enable automatically, but the Stomp does always send itself a #69, 0, 1 or 2 for the corresponding Snapshot change.

 

Snapshot CC Send is enabled in Menu > Global Settings > MIDI/Tempo > Snapshot CC Send > ON/OFF

 

Snapshot CC Send, if enabled, allows you to send an Instant Command [CC message(s)], anywhere, upon entering that Snapshot. This is great, as you pointed out, for controlling other MIDI capable devices.

 

On 11/27/2023 at 2:24 PM, rd2rk said:

The reason it seems like it doesn't work when all ICs send the same command (apart from the above explanation) but appears to work when the ICs send different commands is because once a command is sent on an IC, it won't be sent again until a different command is sent.

 

Ahh, yes. I see that now.

 

Thanks again.

 

I have identified the root of my troubles. Possibly a bug.

 

Snapshot CC Send does not work if all values in all snapshots are the same. Three different values, one for each snapshot and it works perfectly.

Hey all, looking for some help with "Snapshot CC Send" on an HX Stomp updated to 3.7.0.

 

I have an empty preset with all MIDI Globals turned off, except USB MIDI is on so I can monitor messages being sent.

 

I have one Instant Command configured to send a different CC Value to an outside channel for each Snapshot.

 

The messages are being sent, even with Snapshot CC Send turned off.

 

Is this expected behavior? I expected no messages to be sent.

 

 

Thanks

On 7/9/2023 at 12:27 PM, Mark_Brooker said:

I have a Double Pole Double Throw that I'm using one side of. A Dunlop one.

 

Does the switch stay "ON" when you push and release it? Have you tested it with an ohm meter or continuity tester?

On 7/8/2023 at 3:59 PM, Mark_Brooker said:

Slight problem, done the mod, it worked, but doesn't know, it just momentarily switches.
Any idea guys?

Thanks.

 

The switch needs to me a "maintained contact" (latching) type switch, rather than a "momentary contact" switch. Is that what you have?

On 12/23/2022 at 11:22 AM, riveter said:

I have the Mission Pedal SP1-L6H hooked up to the HX Stomp XL. I can't get the pedal to switch the Wah block on. It controls the Volume block by default. Do I have to change out my switch?

The Mission Engineering web page says the toe switch will work:

The SP1-L6H can be connected to inputs on Line 6 devices that support an expression pedal and toe switch.

The linear potentiometer is matched exactly to the specifications of the Line 6 Helix for a precise and natural response. The pedal has a toe switch to turn effects on and off without requiring a separate footswitch.

Supported Line 6 devices:

Helix Rack
Helix Rack Controller
HX Stomp
HX Stomp XL
DL4 MK2

 

From the manual:

 

12. EXP 1/2, FS 7/8 Connect an expression pedal here to adjust a wide vari-
ety of parameters.* With a Y-cable (tip-ring-sleeve 1/4" jack, split to two tip-sleeve
1/4" jacks), two expression pedals can be connected. Alternatively, you can add
one (or with a Y-cable, two) external footswitches to access additional stomps,
presets, snapshots, etc. (FS7=tip, FS8=ring). To set this jack’s function(s), see
page 57. By default, this jack is set to accommodate a Mission SP1-L6H Line 6
Expression Pedal, which has a toe switch that toggles between EXP 1 (Wah/Pitch
or Poly Wham) and EXP 2 (Volume/Pan). For external footswitches, the momentary
(unlatched) type should be used.
 

*NOTE: It is recommended to connect to this EXP1/2, FS 7/8 input while the device is
powered off to avoid toggling the current FS 7/8 setting.

On 11/12/2022 at 11:38 PM, Bgrudz2021 said:

Hey everyone, B-Grudzinski here. I performed this mod on my SP1-L6H

(exp pedal for the Helix Rack) to be compatible with the Helix Floor. 

I posted it on my YouTube Channel (The Pedal-Head Show) 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cNn_BSmUkAQ

 

While doing the mod I ran into a few instructions that left me confused. 

1. Understanding which wire was which coming from the quick plug that connects to the blue board connecting both outputs. 

2. Using a DPDT Dunlop Wah Switch which side is normally open and normally closed? 
 

Thanks everyone! 
 

I can use the exp pedal just fine the way I wired it in the mod by sure luck! 

If someone could help clarify on those two topics that would be great! 
 

B.Grudz 
 

 

 

 

Sorry for any confusion.

 

I have edited the article to clarify the points you raise as well as the misinformation about the Helix LT, mentioned by @bradfordlumley

 

I also made a couple of other edits to make a few steps clearer.

 

To clarify your two points of confusion:

 

My SP1-L6H pedal was manufactured in 2016 and the output jacks are individual components. For your model with the output jacks mounted to a printed circuit board with the ribbon cable, you may have to use an ohm meter or continuity tester to ID the tip and sleeve wires of the output jacks. I have added verbiage to indicate Tip and Sleeve.

 

Since this is a Push-Push switch, the references above to N.O. and N.C. are not applicable, the point of using those designations was to indicate connections to the switched side of the switch and not to use the common side of the switch.

 

I hope that helps.

 

On 10/5/2022 at 8:38 AM, bradfordlumley said:

 

This is unfortunately incorrect. The dual function is only available for output to switch a guitar amp's channels for example. The same doesn't work for input. As a matter of fact, there's not even an option for an EXP2 pedal 2 toe in the Helix LT (or HX edit).

Thanks for clarifying.

On 11/4/2022 at 3:07 PM, C4TH said:

if you want to see the OD on the first page, make sure your OD is assigned to a foot switch. If you want your FX Loop on the second page, make sure its *not* 

assigned to a foot switch (none).

 

Perfect. Thanks.

 

It would be cool if there was a way to page over to engage or bypass effects that don't appear on the first page? Would anyone find that useful? Does anyone know if that idea is already on Ideascale?

 

Thanks again.

I couldn't find a like question or answer so here goes. This is specific to HX Effects.

 

I have seven effects blocks in use, including an effects loop and two overdrives. In stomp view I can see the effects loop and one overdrive. If I hold the Mode switch down to see “More", I can see the other OD on the second page.

How do I swap or move the FX Loop to the second page and the OD to the first page?

Nah, not at all. Just a simple oversight. We all do it. Thanks for letting us know you got it sorted out.

Maybe something going on with channel assignment. The JVM might have to re-learn the assignments. Did you start from scratch after the update?

 

My best guess.

18 hours ago, joeschmo said:

I'm interested how this works for the LT as it only seems to have one input for expression pedal 2. How do I connect the two outputs on the Mission pedal to the one input on the LT?

 

I'm not an Helix LT user but here goes.

 

From the Manual:

EXP PEDAL 2/EXT AMP An additional expression pedal can be connected to Helix LT and assigned to adjust a wide variety of parameters. See "Quick Controller Assign" Alternatively, this jack can be connected to your traditional guitar amp to switch its channels or turn its reverb on and off. Use a TRS cable for dual operation (1=tip, 2=ring). To set this jack's function, see "Global Settings > Preferences"

 

It only has one jack, but that one jack has a dual function. You could use a TRS to two TS 'Y' adapter and use the Expression input on one and the switch input on the other.

 

In that scenario, you would not need to modify the Line 6/Mission Exp pedal and can use it right out of the box.

 

9 hours ago, ledvedder5150 said:

I'm wondering as well how it would connect to the hx effects, if there is toe switch functionality in the future. I'm already using one of the ext jacks to channel switch my amp. 

 

I'm not an HX Effects user, but the same principles still apply.

 

From the HX Effects manual:

Two expression pedals can be connected to the HX Effects device and assigned to adjust a wide variety of parameters.

 

The modified exp pedal can be used to control either of those, just as in all of the examples above.

 

I would not expect to see any specific "toe switch functionality" added to HX Effects or any other unit that does not already have that functionality. Even it it was, the modified toe switch, with the added resistors, would likely not work. BUT, IF that functionality was added, the unmodified pedal would work just as it does with the Helix Rack.

 

The modified toe switch mimics an expression pedal in a cocked, fixed position. That position being determined/represented by the value of the fixed resistors that are installed with the mod.

5 hours ago, ledvedder5150 said:

Is anyone successfully using this with an HX Effects? I'm trying to decide if I should get the SP1, or just get the non-switching version to control the HX Effects wah function. 

 

They are the exact same pedal. One has the switch, the other doesn't. The one with the switch has two jacks, one for exp and one for the switch.

 

Get the one with the switch. If you find you can use it (now or later) great, if you can't, no loss. Last I looked (not lately) they were the same price.

I updated to 1.06 from 1.05 and bricked my G10. It's an original G10, not the S. Same symptoms and indicators as everyone else with the Rx pulsing red.

 

I reflashed the Rx and Tx several times to no avail. I even downgraded back to v 1.05 with no luck. Yes, you can downgrade to the older firmware/software if you have the files. I've always downloaded and saved all update files so I still have v 1.05

 

After it initially bricked, I reflashed it four or five times and nothing changed. I did both the Tx and Rx multiple times.

 

Here is where it gets a little weird. I had unplugged the Rx power and had the Tx laying in the desk. Then, without thinking I plugged the Rx back into power with the Tx still laying on the desk. Whoa, now I see the Rx pulsing white. I then plugged the Tx into the Rx and now it is working fine. WTF???

 

I can not comment on battery life or short range dropouts at this time.

 

8 hours ago, hdtv4me said:

Well now I've done it.  I bought a Helix Rack so now I need to wire the Mission back up as it was from the factory.  Minor problem.  I think I tossed the original toe switch and didn't take a picture of the wiring.   Can someone please remind me what toe switch was in this thing and how to solder it back up (connection points)? 

 

I can't find any before pics but the toe switch is a SPDT (Single Pole Double Throw) momentary contact (commonly referred to as "non-latching") switch wired to the one (TS) jack for the toe switch output.

On 1/8/2021 at 3:19 PM, CurveBound said:

One goal would be to set up the external control to control volume with switch disengaged an then wah while engaged.  And set up the built in expression pedal for say a whammy pedal.

 

Yes, this is easily done. You can use Exp 2 and 3 for the Mission pedal and have Exp 1 for whatever you want.

On 1/6/2021 at 4:28 PM, hdtv4me said:

Thanks very much!   I swear to god there are no markings on this thing!   I'm looking at it with a magnifying glass app.   Geesh.   I can't even find a datasheet or something indicating the pinout.  

 

Typically the center terminal is C and the two outside terminals are NO and NC. You can check it with an ohmmeter or continuity tester. You are just using one half of the switch.

8 hours ago, hdtv4me said:

I ordered a Dunlop ECB035 and there are no pinout diagrams or markings that I can see.   It is a DPDT switch but in looking at the picture above I wonder if I was supposed to order a SPDT?  Can someone help me with a wiring diagram?  I very much so want to use the toe switch on my SP1-L6H as a bypass on my Helix floor.  Thanks in advance!

 

The DPDT switch you have is fine. You will only need to use one side. The C common, the NC normally closed and NO normally open terminals will be identified on the switch.

How to Use the Mission SP1-L6H Toe Switch with Line6 Helix and HX

Introduction

Mission Engineering manufactures two expression pedals designed specifically for use with the Helix product line.

 

The EP1-L6 is an expression only pedal and does not have a toe switch. It has one (TS) jack for Exp output. This pedal is designed to work with Helix Floor, LT, HX Stomp and HX Effects.

 

The SP1-L6H is an expression pedal that includes a toe switch. This pedal is designed to work with Helix Rack only and has two separate output jacks. One (TS) jack for Exp output and one (TS) jack for the toe switch output. The toe switch is a SPDT (Single Pole Double Throw) momentary contact (commonly referred to as "non-latching") switch. This pedal is designed for exclusive use with Helix Rack. For HX Stomp - If the desire is to simply use the SP1-L6H toe switch as an external foot switch 4 or 5, no modifications to the SP1-L6H are required. It will perform that function right out of the box.

 

There is no provision in Helix Floor, LT or HX Effects to use an external expression pedal toe switch as an additional controller or foot switch but with a mod we can utilize this functionality.

 

Both pedals incorporate a 10K ohm pot for the expression output and both are built in the exact same enclosure/housing. The additional holes in the EP1-L6 have plugs installed in them.

 

Purpose

To modify either the EP1-L6 or the SP1-L6H so as to be able to utilize the toe switch output as an expression input to the Helix Floor, HX Stomp or HX Effects.

 

Use Case

The idea of utilizing the toe switch came up when a user wanted to use the SP1-L6H as a traditional Wah pedal. Meaning the toe switch would simply toggle the Wah block in their Preset ON or OFF.

 

With a little imagination there could be many more use cases. For example, the toe switch could toggle on a Delay block and then use the expression to control the Delay's Feedback parameter.

 

Or the toe switch could be used to set any parameter on any block, completely independent of what the expression output is controlling.

 

The Modifications

This mod is easily performed on the EP1-L6 pedal also as the housings are the same. The holes are already drilled and have plugs in them.

Notes on modifying the EP1-L6 (non-toe switch pedal) - As mentioned above, both pedals are built in the same enclosure. These modifications will require the addition of a (TS) output jack (along with the additional components listed below) if you are adding this feature to the EP1-L6 pedal. Also, you may need to add a felt or other pad under the treadle to engage the toe switch.

 

For HX Stomp Only - If the desire is to simply use the SP1-L6H toe switch as an external foot switch 4 or 5, no modifications to the SP1-L6H are required. It will perform that function right out of the box.

 

Parts Needed

1 -- Replacement Toe Switch as described below. The stock toe switch for a Crybaby Wah is a perfect replacement.

1 -- 100 ohm resistor. 1/4 watt is fine. The 100 ohm value is a suggestion. You can use whatever low value you have on hand. The Exp Input just needs to see something when the switch is off, or Helix will default back to the onboard Exp Pedal. Whatever value you end up with, you will need to adjust the "Bypass Assign" "Position" parameter to match that resistance value for the parameter being controlled to enable. For a 100 ohm resistor this will be about 25%.

1 -- 10K ohm resistor. 1/4 watt is fine.

* The 10K resistor could be a pot or trim pot if a variable output is desired. This could be used for more granular control of the toe switch's expression input to the Helix/HX.

* For the purpose of this article, the above resistor values will be used.

 

For the SP1-L6H

1. Replace the stock toe switch with a SPDT (Single Pole Double Throw) maintained contact switch. Commonly referred to as "latching". The stock toe switch for a Crybaby Wah is a perfect replacement.

 

2. Solder one end of the 100 ohm resistor to the N.O. terminal of the new toe switch.

 

3. Solder one end of the 10K ohm resistor to the N.C. terminal of the new toe switch.

 

Note for Step 2 and 3 above: Since this is a Push-Push switch, the references above to N.O. and N.C. are not applicable, the point of using those designations was to indicate connections to the switched side of the switch and not to use the common side of the switch.

 

4. Solder the two (both) loose ends of the resistors to the Red (Tip) wire going to the output jack being used for the toe switch.

 

5. Solder the C (common) terminal of the new toe switch to the Black (Sleeve) wire going to the output jack being used for the toe switch.

 

Note that the SP1-L6H used here, the one in the photo, was manufactured in 2016 and the output jacks are individual components. Later models have the output jacks mounted to a printed circuit board and has a ribbon cable. You may have to use an ohm meter or continuity tester to ID the tip and sleeve wires of the output jacks.

 

DONE
 

Setup

 

For this example we will use the expression pedal with it's new toe switch functionality as a traditional Wah pedal. Pressing the toe switch once will turn the Wah block ON. Pressing the toe switch again will turn the Wah block OFF.

 

For Helix and HX Effects

 

1. Select the Wah Block in your Preset.

 

2. Select Main Menu

 

3. Select "Bypass Assign"

 

4. Set "Switch" to whichever Exp Input you are using for the Toe Switch.

 

5. Set "Position" to 25%.

 

6. SAVE SAVE

 

7. Select Main Menu

 

8. Select "Controller Assign"

 

9. Set "Parameter" to "Position".

 

10. Set "Controller" to the exp input you want to use for the Wah function.

 

11. SAVE SAVE

 

DONE

 

For HX Stomp

 

1. Select the Wah Block in your Preset.

 

1. Select Main Menu

 

2. Select "Bypass Assign"

 

3. Set "Switch" to the expression input you want to use for the toe switch input.

 

4. Set the Position parameter to 25%.

 

5. SAVE SAVE

 

6. Select Main Menu

 

7. Select "Controller Assign"

 

8. Set "Param" to "Psition".

 

9. Set "Controller" to the expression input you want to use for the Wah function.

 

10. SAVE SAVE

 

DONE

 

Go play guitar.
 

 

11 minutes ago, phil_m said:

It’s no longer listed in the latest manual: https://line6.com/data/6/0a020a4107835d2fac0e63b03/application/pdf/Powercab Manual - English .pdf

 

That does make sense. Controlling the master output of an amp with an expression pedal isn’t something I’d want to do, personally. But I’d it works for you, that’s great!

 

Hmmmmm. Interesting. I hadn't looked at the new manual, thanks for that. It appears there has been an oversight.

 

You might want to write this one in. Powercab+ Master Volume MIDI CC#7.

 

Edit:

Not enabling control of the Powercab+ Master Volume via L6 Link is my big disappointment in the latest updates.

16 minutes ago, phil_m said:

I’ll take your word for it... It’s not listed in the manual, at least not the current one. How would that be functionally any different than controlling the Level parameter in the output block with the expression pedal?

 

Please, don't take my word for it.

 

It's on page 13 in the manual in the MIDI CC - Global Functions chart, MIDI CC#7.

 

It's functionally different than controlling the Level parameter in the output block because it doesn't affect the level going to the FOH or DAW or whatever from the XLR output of the Powercab+ and it doesn't affect gain staging.