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  1. 9 hours ago, SaschaFranck said:


    I have been using a tablet or a smartphone as an IEM remote mixer regularly (roughly as in "on almost every other gig that option is available") for around 5 years by now. On both my tablet and phone, the most relevant apps are already installed, so all it takes is a login and *boom*, there we go. Most FOH dudes are happy, too, as they don't have to take care of monitoring wishes anymore. I even use these things outside of the IEM realm, it's just too comfortable to pass on.
    And because I'm already accustomed to these things, I'm pretty sure people would just love it to go along with their their modelers.

    Cool, yea it's great, for sure.  I come from a big city but have lived in a smaller town for the past couple decades... things are likely a little different for me now LoL.


    remote mixing is one thing though - and takes someone with live sound mixing skills (not all that comon).  But having a guitarist and/or bassist have their own tablet for their owns sounds... I can just see it now... it'll look more and more like some bizarre scifi movie.


    and I'd love to see things like that, personally!  I just will be very surprised to see bands and venues with that going on very much.  Still my biggest concern is knocking over the stand with the tablet attached... just because I often move around a lot when I play, so it's a hazard that scares me.


    With the drummer I worked with, he kept the tablet in his duffel bag next to his kit in a safe place, and would put it on a stool beside him for a track or two in soundcheck but would leave it put away the rest of the time... but it's very possible he didn't have a good stand for his iPad that would work well.


    Interesting ideas in this thread - will be fun to watch, and eventually take part, in these changes over the coming years!

  2. 4 hours ago, SaschaFranck said:


    No. By having a tablet in always on mode on a music stand. Just as I'm doing right now for IEM mixer remote controls. After all, it's 2020 and these things are standard on all sorts of stages since years already.



    As you've mentioned yourself, bending down is no fun. And as far as the capacitive switches go, they're great but I'm constantly running out of them, so there's plenty of items I can't route to a switch anymore (I wish there were at least two switch assignment screens, even if they'd only serve the purpose of selecting things quicker). Add to this, that with more advanced blocks, you will also have to flip pages.

    RE: tablets:  ARE they standard on all sorts of stages for years already?  I wasn't aware of that... haven't experienced that as a norm at all, in fact, except by sound guys.   In a big band (as in jazz band) I was filling in on bass with last year, their drummer was the sound guy as well and used an iPad (tablet) to control his Presonus mixer remotely.  It was a great setup for sure, although it isn't something I normally come across with guitarists on stage.   Sound people?  yes.  Coffee shop shows?  yes.   On stage for a bar band, cover band, or touring band?  I haven't seen that yet... but maybe musicians are using stand based tablets now in live venues as a norm, and I just missed it somehow.  Things ARE changing fast, for sure.


    As for the second point - yea I need to not bend down due to spine issues and eyesight issues.... it all makes editing hard in a band situation.  So yea I'm all about the tablet thing.  I just can't imagine it being that popular - but maybe it could be, I dunno.  However, ON the helix though I don't see the touch screen being that useful, which again is what was originally being discussed.  But on a hand held or mounted secondary device?  yea, I'd do it. It will take a different line6 device to support it I think, but that is something to look forward to in coming years for sure.  The UI on the helix is outstanding imho, once you learn a couple of very unintuitive things, and you can do all your editing without much challenge.... something that is very new to me, and I like it better than editing on fractal in the box by quite a bit.


    Touch screen is fine and all, but I don't see it as better - just different.  I do understand how hardware limitations (lack of enough buttons) is annoying, and I also understand how a touch UI can be completely flexible in how it's designed and could, potentially, avoid the limitations of the hardware editing of the helix currently.  So fair enough - but I personally haven't encountered the limitations for editing with hardware, but I can imagine your interest in touch editing if you feel it will solve your issues with pagination requirements etc.  The thing is, the UI designers may or may not try to, or be able to, solve those things just by moving to touch.  Touch screen isn't the only way to remove pagination requirements in UI design, and touch screens don't inherently remove pagination requirements from the UI - but yes it CAN be a good move in the right direction.  Still, when I'm playing and reach down to edit something, I want a knob, not a touch screen... and that is a preference for that scenario, not a lack of openness to touch screen control.

  3. 13 hours ago, HonestOpinion said:


    What you propose is also a perfectly valid approach. I do think its more about preference and implementation than "smartness" when it comes to a touchscreen. There's more than one way to "skin" a modeler. There are a certain percentage of users who would prefer everything be self-contained in the modeler to having to use a tablet. Having the tablet as an additional option is ideal IMHO. Not too jazzed yet about Bluetooth though. It has gotten faster but still has lag. Perfectly usable though depending on how it is applied.

    I prefer everything to be self contained - that's why I've always gone back to line6 over the years after moving to other platforms repeatedly until I was finally happy - now, with the helix.


    The helix is the first floor modeler I've used that lets me create anything I want from it's built in user interface.  The ehx freeze effect I threw together (a speck buggy, but was proof of concept that turns out to work really well) was something I created on the device itself, not through the editor.  And it's complex... but you can do anything on the device, so that's pretty cool.


    touch screens can be great - but not needed if the UI was designed to work without it, as is the case in the helix.  a Touch UI will require major changes to the helix os - and it could be great, but it coudl also just be... different.


    But deep editing and having everything in the one device is why I got the helix, specifically, along with sound quality.

  4. 8 hours ago, SaschaFranck said:

    Any kind of mobile editor could be realized already. Would have to be used with a USB cable, but that was it. Apparently it's nothing high on Line 6's "to perhaps do" list.

    As far as touch screens for future devices go, the Headrush owners seem to love that aspect of their units. As would I.


    The problem is that the device connecting to the helix would have to be the USB host, as others have mentioned here.  Helix doesn't support USB host protocol and I believe it's not something they can change on it now, based on my observations when working years ago at a company that developed USB host technology.  I could be wrong, but I think it's not possible to change the helix usb to a host mode.


    And as far as I know, while some phones do support usb host mode, it's extremely limited in capability, and usb host mode requires features to be added on the device doing the hosting to support protocols before they can be seen from the helix (if the helix was connected to the phone or whatever).


    app-wise it's a lot of work too, but doable I'm sure.   But USB host mode is one are I believe would not be possible to add without a hardware change in the helix in the future?  I mean, I hope I'm wrong, cuz that would be a cool stop gap for sure.


  5. 13 hours ago, zappazapper said:

    I really don't know what your problem is. I'm just trying to participate in a discussion about music equipment. It's one thing if you don't think anything I'm saying is interesting or valuable, it's another to go at people like this. And you were doing it before I showed up, with other users. Is it too much to ask that if you disagree with something someone said that you can keep the criticisms on-topic instead of attacking people personally? I came here to learn and bounce ideas off of other people who have similar interests, not to argue or defend myself. Please don't talk to me anymore if you can't do so in a civil manner.

    He does this - all ... the ... time ...


    After talking with other musician over the past couple months about this, it turns out this forum has a bit of a reputation for this type of pointless badgering when someone asks a question, particularly a newer member.  However, now that I know that, I've been learning to laugh at those ridiculous posts when looking for helpful responses.


    It's not you - it's him.  Try to remember that :-)

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  6. 14 hours ago, SaschaFranck said:


    I would totally disagree here. Being able to quickly access parameters would improve all those situations massively for me. And ultimately, it'd also improve sound quality because instead of going like "oh no, not that floor crawler thing again..." I'd simply adjust things to suit my needs.

    How, by pulling out your phone, unlocking it, and then adjusting things? 


    User Interface-wise, I'm personally not convinced that's preferable to pressing (or touching if you leave capacitive helix button control enabled) the button of the effect you want changed and turning the knobs below each param on the screen. 


    However yes, bending down sucks though, so I'm with you on the floor crawling part.



  7. 2 hours ago, HonestOpinion said:

    Love my Helix but seems like a waste of breath to misconstrue the status quo as the limits of the technology.

    I don't think it's the limit of the technology at all.


    But I'd personally dislike a touchscreen on the device, which is what was being discussed.  But of course, if it can be disabled and you can still  navigate, then fine,

     it could be nice.  But it's hardly a deal breaker - it wasn't when I got my helix (not long ago actually), and I chose it over the touch screen competition for several reasons... one of which was the criticism of the touch screen in real life use by actual users of the device.


    Mobile app?  YES!  I'd love that for some settings - I had it with a line6 amplifire 150 (which was total junk, bluetooh issues, restarting issues, firmware issues... too bad about that line of products and whoever did the actual building of them for line6... not up to par).... but when it worked, the amplifire 150 was super super cool.  the app is outstanding, and the way it worked with the amp made playing guitar REALLY FUN again, like a kid in a candy story sitting in the living room with my phone on the couch playing along to my favorite songs with their tones and messing with effects by tapping on my phone... it was awesome.


    So if they learned from the amplifire tech, then they could do it right this time, treating the amplifire as an experiment to learn from, and integrate that into future helix type products.


    BUT - it doesn't improve the device for playing live, working in a band, or in sound quality, so it really is just a nice to have... not a big deal to me.  If I want to do serious editing, I don't do it on the device itself anyhow, touch screen or not.

  8. 4 hours ago, zappazapper said:

    I'll start off by saying that I really was just joking, but...


    In Reaper you can bypass a plugin's GUI and have everything on sliders. Not impossible. 


    Also, there's a unit called the Muse Receptor that's a hardware VST host. Runs its own proprietary non-Windows based OS. Not impossible. 


    But realistically, ya, can't see it happening, not only because of the obvious support hassles, but also because I can't see L6 being willing to allow users to use their competition's algorithms on their hardware.

    yes I use reaper, I'm aware. I dismissed that before I answered because of my other points.  It seems theoretically possible, if not for the fact that vst plugins can't run on the helix architecture. 


    yes I have owned a muse receptor - it actually runs a linux based os (red hat derivative, actually, which was a great OS back in the day).  It's a fully standard linux os but has as few extras as possible, of course, and it's own custom UI system.  They call it their own OS because it is as much their own OS as any linux variant is.  So it's as unique from red hat as debian is from ubuntu.  But yes, it's still a standard OS, and the plugins are not compiled to run under the architecture used by the helix - there's no way to make them run under it without rewriting and then cross compiling each plugin from the original source code.


    but it was worth a shot, and yes I totally would love it also!


    But just so ya know - the muse receptor isn't magic at all - it's great linux development and a solid PC custom built for it.

  9. 27 minutes ago, zappazapper said:

    Just to be annoying...


    3.0 wishlist: 

    #1 - VST Wrapper block



    Wouldn't THAT be sweet. But can you imagine the support nightmare?  "My Guitar rig plugin doesn't work.  A)  That's because you can't register it without a windows registry or a mac OSX filesystem."  "My favorite VST goes buzzzzzzzz.  Sorry, we can't support individual plugins."  "My $50 plugin I just bought for this won't do anything.  Sorry, we can't support individual plugins."  and so on....


    And it is impossible anyway, I believe.  For one thing, UI wouldn't be supported, so how would it even work?  Remember it has to work on the device, not just in helix native....  They're compiled to run on x86 exclusively, for one basic point, so nada there.  Also the support libraries wouldn't exist.  Even if it could be configured on your usb connection with the UI on your computer, it still wouldn't work.


    Seemed briefly like a good idea to me until I remembered the OS layer requirements of things like that. 


    Would be cool if there was a way to do that, but it's not possible I'm 99% sure.


    The only theoretical way to hear the result of a VST plugin in the helix might be to model a specific VST as it's running in a specific set of settings, and call that a new model in the helix.  But the helix can't model things at a user level - it has to be done manually by helix staff and adding into firmware for each and every model.


    To do it at a user level, you'd need something that could reproduce a perfect copy of the sound alterations effected by anything you want with an input and an output. 


    Like a Kemper.... which makes me think.... I bet people already do that with the kemper.

  10. wow, that sucks, but maybe just try sticking paper towel in the socket a bit to make sure they're dry?  unless it could rip or shred in there and get stuck LoL.


    like Mr. Data, I never allow drinks of any kind in my music studio aside from for my own use, in the cup holder built into my main desk (away from all gear). Also not anywere near my rack (preamps and compressors etc), my keyboards, my drums (electronic), or floorboards (helix) or my tube amp (cuz I prefer to live!).  But, with other musicians around.... crap happens sometimes.


    I would say you got lucky, but I'd like to know how much got into the machine if it is wet like that inside the jacks.  That's somewhat worrying, imho.

  11. 2 hours ago, SaschaFranck said:


    They don't cause havoc on mobile phone screens. Heck, you can use some of them just fine under water.

    Really, water drops?  Man, you've been VERY lucky.  I can't use my s7 (which is water proof) in the rain in any useful way; if I run and sweat on it, it no longer works right; my wife's google pixel got a bad case of ghost touches (like it was being touched) when a drop of water got on it and stayed that way on our outside table while it was playing music over bluetooth, and the drop sat there slowly moving for a few minutes while we ignored it until the track started changing by itself; and one of my daughters' iPhone 7s got completely unresponsive when she was trying to use it in light rain just yesterday while we were walking and she was trying to make a call.

    Nearly all touch screens are capacitive (the kind you don't have to press - you just touch them to operate).  They work by recognizing a dielectric constant that is different than air by a certain defined amount.  They cannot work properly when wet, nor under water.


    The only touch screens that work under water are, as far as I can understand the physics and electronics, resistive touch panels (the kind you have to press hard or use a stylus with).


    So based on my experience, certainly if I ended up owning a touch screen floorboard, for me at least, it would fail miserably LoL :-)

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  12. 1 minute ago, SaschaFranck said:


    Why would it be a worse idea than the current Helix screen? Are you playing barefoot? Because otherwise there'd be no difference.


    1) sweat or other things dropping onto your touchscreen while you play could play havoc with a capacitive touch screen

    2) one touch of a touch screen could cause several stages of complex changes, as opposed to having someone hit or turn a knob on an effect pedal with predictable fix being, turn the knob back and keep playing.  That happened to me lots during my life - and the easy of touch/swipe changing things would be quite a temptation for audience members

    3) capacitive touch screens are generally very breakable.... we all tend to jump on our gear, stuff falls on our gear.... stuff happens all the time.  touch screens are NOT particularly strong, historically, unless you're using a projection styletouch sensor which is far beyond the scope of what we can do in small foot pedals currently (Although they are used in large mixing systems and office cultures successfully).

    4) resistive touch screens can be stronger/safer but can be changed with your shoes on just fine


    I mean, people already have trouble with the capacitive touch foot pedals on the helix... and ask to turn it off often.  Lots of folks DO work with socks only, but it doesn't only require a foot to be activated.... the technology can be activated by a ton of things.

  13. 3 hours ago, phowell said:

    The 3.0 update will have many goodies, I'm sure. But, unless Line 6 comes up with a "sidecar" device of some sort, it will always have the same hardware - which is beginning to be surpassed by the competition.  I'm talking about stuff like USB flash drive support, wifi support, touch screen, etc.  Line 6 knows this so I predict a "Helix Plus" in a year or so (they're smart - they're probably developing it now).  So, to prevent people from jumping ship (Neural Quad-Core?), I think 3.0 will be good.  I sure hope so - I've been a loyal Line 6 customer since the beginning.

    The world has already moved to modeling as the primary source of guitar tone on record, instead of other forms of audio recording in studios, instead of expensive racks of compressors and effects, instead of real drum tones on record.... it goes on and on.  The big 3 modeler do not use the features you describe, or if any of them has wifi or usb it certainly has never come up as being an important feature.  The headrush does have touch screen and I think some of the other things you mentioned... but it's not one of the big three.  In fact one reason why it's looked down upon is the use as a live floorboard - it's dangerous and complex, not to mention fragile, due to the touch screen.


    USB host mode to add storage (the only purpose for it other than adding a mouse or keyboard, which isn't relevant), wifi (wireless connectivity in a device that is already required to be wired to the output and for power at the very least?? not important), and touch screen (Which is a UI design decision, not often a good idea, and never a good idea on something controlled by your feet in a live setting)....


    yea, no thank you.

  14. Just an update - I finally dug this beast out again, and turned it on, still had the problems.  no display (blank), amp stomp and mod buttons (I think those were the 3) were lit up, nothing responded.  I saw somewhere the post about holding down save and edit on startup, then hitting output mode, and voila!!!! My old XT Live is ALIVE AGAIN!


    After all this time, I thought it was a hardware fault - but no, it was just firmware that was stuck in a strange state.


    YAY!  Now I have a helix LT and an XT Live.  Hm.... what to do with the xt live...

  15. On 9/16/2020 at 6:04 PM, wismanus said:

    I own a helix,  and thinking I need to unload it.  I liked the video and sounds.  

    I would avoid Line 6 products

    beware buying these. I found out today as a registered owner of Helix LT, Helix Native will cost me $399 instead of the advertised $99. I alerted Line 6 customer service and they said there is nothing they can do.  My advice, don't even download the trial it will need to be uninstalled. 

    Of course.  Makes perfect sense.  Avoid line6 products because you expected to get $300 dollars off a software product that was only on sale for those who bought the Helix new, with the unregistered software version of the product.  You expected the company to gift you something, and blame them when you made the mistake.


    What gives you some special privilege?  Why should they give the deal on the software TWICE - losing $600 total, just because you think you deserve it, and then think the company is in some way at fault?


    The sense of entitlement of some people.

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  16. On 9/15/2020 at 2:01 AM, emagli said:


    This goes to show how subjective tone is... I find the legacy reverbs to be very smooth, maybe a bit too much at the default setting of the high cut (I never tried the Quadraverb, though).


    Some time ago I compared the legacy reverbs with my TC Hall of Fame in an effects loop. Except for the spring reverb on the HOF, which I do not like at all, I find that the HOF reverbs have very slightly more musical tails than the legacy reverbs, when set to similar level of brightness. However, the difference is very small and as I am going to downsize my pedalboard, the HOF will be the first to go. 

    same here about the hof.  I did literally the same thing and came away thinking, well now... the HOF is amazing alright, but this sounds nearly identical.  Yea, in a studio I might add some studio verb, the software variety for an album, for certain things.  I normally do.  But I'd probably do that if I had an AXE 3 also.  Can't expect our guitar modeler to do everything as well as dedicated singular products can do it.... but it's so close that I think nearly all end listeners won't hear a difference.

  17. On 9/14/2020 at 9:28 AM, brue58ski said:


    One thing about the reverbs. and this has been true for me since the POD XT. is that they don't compare to the reverbs I got in an Alesis Quadraverb circa the 1990's. Line 6 even essentially came from Alesis. They just don't sound as smooth. grainier. I can't really come up with the right words. But they were better IMHO.

    Interesting!  I always found literally the opposite, specially when I got out my quad a few years ago.  It was a false memory for me, to think the Quad sounded so amazing.  What it really sounded like was a big treble cut in the verbs to make it smoother.

  18. On 9/12/2020 at 2:44 PM, Hatman777 said:

    ahhh I did not know that I thought it was possible like the boss gt1000 has ported it’s top line reverb pedal into their flagship GT1000

    so I figured it was possible for helix to do the same 

    thank you for the info 

    Ah yea, I get where you were coming from with that now.  Yea, BOSS does that all the time.  What they are doing, because they own the product, is taking the formula verbatim and plunking it into their floorboard devices.  It's great, and works well.  Definitely a simple way to get "my pedal" sound fast if you know the original pedal.



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  19. On 9/11/2020 at 4:59 PM, Hatman777 said:

    Hello all, so does anyOne here think that the reverb models are not up to par with the rest of the effects in the helix?

    wondering if Lin6 plans to add some reverb models based on higher end  reverb pedals, I mean if they can model a rare Klon  Centuaur I’m sure they could add a few models, maybe a few models from the following link



    The verbs are excellent.  It doesn't work the way you're talking with modeling something that are mathematically generated reverbs, which nearly all digital verbs are.


    Reverbs aren't models - they are algorithms.  Formulas.  Math.


    So the Line6 engineers created their reverbs from a blank slate like that (starting many many years ago in some cases, improving them over many products), and then created "stomp" reverbs out of the process that you can assign to blocks.  Each reverb type will cover certain territories, but give you stomp-style virtual knobs to turn.  In some cases, the knobs can change the reverb's effect so dramatically that you can use one reverb for crazy wash reverbs with modulation and whatever else you like, and the same reverb in a different block and have it simulate a short room tone, or a plate.  In some cases, the tone can be altered significantly (hi cut can do wonders), allowing one reverb to cover the tone of many types of reverbs.


    They don't model the pedals in your link - they created reverb blocks that can recreate the same reverbs as those in your link, though.


    However you might need to know what the original reverb pedal is actually doing to recreate it here.  I bet there are topics on here that describe how to simulate certain reverb tones.  I know I've seen patches available to recreate things like Devin Townsend's Ki album tones which are ethereal beautiful complex things, as well as a lot of focus on classic spring reverbs if you're into that kind of thing (I'm not).

  20. Oh ok, that's good then!  It was supposed to work that way, but I didn't put much effort into the effect that handles the attack.  I guess the default settings in it seem to work well for you!


    I think I found what's up with the wah pedal - I'll confirm and upload a fix later today or tomorrow.

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