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27 minutes ago, gunpointmetal said:

And I'm saying you can't recreate sound pressure levels without sound pressure levels. Which is independent of the modeling. You're saying modeling can't recreate the "psychoacoustics" (not sure that term even applies to this), which has nothing to with modeling. 

OMG... ok... lol  I'm done with this. Still laughing though.

1 hour ago, gunpointmetal said:

Ok, but that has nothing to with the "complexity" of the signal, and everything to do with the amplification method and sound pressure levels is my point. Even if you could recreate the exact spatial sound of two cabs in a room, which one probably could by shooting their own "head placement" IRs with neutral mics, its not going to be the same without all the air moving. The sound of two amps moving air in a room is different in every room, because the sound depends on the source (guitar cab) interacting with the room. The sound of two cabs in a room in a 15x15 rehearsal space is going to be dramatically different than those two cabs interacting with the room in a full 300 person venue.

I mentioned absolutely nothing about the complexity of the “signal”. Read my post again.  
 

The signal is dead simple. The psychoacoustic effects are not. 

10 hours ago, gunpointmetal said:

Where's @Digital_Igloo when we need to do a shot for someone conflating playback source for modeling? The only way to achieve the "psycho-acoustic" of two cabs at volume in a room is two cabs...at volume...in a room. Now, if you want to get the mic'd studio sound of two amps and two cabs in a room and play it back in high fidelity through a stereo PA system, its definitely NOT too complex for modeling.  

The mic'd studio sound of two amps and two cabs in a room is nowhere near as dramatic as the sound of being in the room with those two amps is my point.

On 3/28/2020 at 11:02 PM, robbieb61 said:

Am I the only one that didn't think the two amps together sounded any better than just one of them? 
I had one of the first Helix Floors that shipped out of Sweetwater back in October of 2015. (now I have a Stomp instead)

And no matter what I did...I was never able to get two amps together to ever sound as good as just one amp dialed in correctly. And I don't hear it sounding any better in that guys video either.

Nope.  Even when you run it in stereo, you're not getting the full effect of two real amps together in a room. The psycho-acoustic effects are very complex. Likely too complex for modelers.

I still think the manual leaves a lot to be desired.

41 minutes ago, robbieb61 said:

Back in the 1990's when I first started using modeling...I had the Boss GT 5
And the way they did it was you could tweak an amp model or an effect and save that "Block" (though that's not what they were called) and it showed up in your choices of amps and effects (with the name you gave it...I would just add my first name to them lol "Robbie Marshall" or "Robbie Delay")

Always wondered why the Line 6 stuff didn't do that too. Not my old Vetta or the HD 500 or the Helix. :(

Yup. The GT-5, 6, 8, all had this feature as I remember.  Very very handy. It helped a lot especially since the thing as a whole was a pain in the keester to edit.

I loved that you could create your own overdrives and preamps too.

Sad days for us all indeed and not just us musicians. 

Yeah, I’ve had mine a year or two longer. It’s still so satisfying and amazing. 

I was switching guitars for my next gig... which of course got cancelled.  Thanks Covid-19!

Anyway, I use different setlists for each of my guitars and tailor the patches accordingly and switched to a setlist for my FrankenStrat.

Anyway, did that and and as I was putting the Helix back in its case, I heard myself say, "Man, I love this thing!"

Nice to know I can count my blessings without having to be reminded.

I hope you're all staying healthy, my friends!

On 3/6/2020 at 1:16 PM, PiFromBRC said:

 

 

Um...Phil...I'm pretty sure the goal is to get people to chill out and be patient.

Well if that were true they wouldn’t announce anything at all. 

There are a few things I wouldn’t mind having but then I’d have to pack them around all the time. lol

2 hours ago, barnsleyboy said:

£499 (in UK money) according to their website. I'm not sure I'd class it as 'eye watering'. Maybe a little expensive! But if it does what they say and bear in mind it has a couple of amp models in it too. I suppose if I had £500 to spend on another new guitar, I would consider it. But it would be interesting to get some feedback from others who had real life experience of the unit.

For me, it has too few footswitches For its amp modeling capabilities to be practical In live use. That and the fact that I already have amp models in the Helix. I have zero interest in other modelers. Even if they are demonstrably better, they can’t be THAT much better. I truly believe that we are now in a “Splitting Hairs” era when it comes to amp modeling. It’s gonna have to be a night and day difference before it’ll get my interest. Thus, I’m only interested in it’s guitar modeling capability and with that in mind, it is eye wateringly expensive. 

On 3/5/2020 at 3:07 PM, spikey said:

 

I kinda stay there myself hideout. Nice to have the option to switch however!

Yeah, I just know myself and know I’d never do it. 

You had my curiosity piqued but then I saw the eye watering price tag. Yikes. 

On 3/3/2020 at 8:40 AM, phil_m said:

 

It's just like any other commands you assign to footswitches now. They're only accessible in Stomp Mode or in one of the views where those Stomp switches are visible. So if you have Preset Mode set to Snap/Stomp, Stomp/Snap, Preset/Stomp or Stomp/Preset, you could access these new functions. But in Snap/Preset Mode you'll have to hit the Mode footswitch to go into Stomp Mode to access them.

Boo. I never leave the Snap/Preset mode and would never want to.

On 3/1/2020 at 3:42 PM, phil_m said:

 

The new Command Center options in 2.9 are actually quite cool, and they're things that people have been asking for in one way or another for quite awhile. You'll be able to assign a snapshot (or two different snapshots) to any footswitch in Stomp Mode. You'll also be able to do the same thing with presets (so if you want to create something akin to a favorite preset switch, you can do it). You'll also be able to assign Looper functions to any Stomp switch, meaning you won't have to go into Looper Mode to use the 6-Switch Looper.

What if you’re in Snap/Preset mode?

13 hours ago, lawrence_Arps said:

weird....the most user friendy, simple to operate piece of pro gear in the history of modelling.......apparantly needs "massive " imporvements.

 

I also have no trouble with the 4 IRs I have loaded - non of which I currently use at all.

There is always room for improvement. Always. 

Since the AudioEngines are powered speakers, not at all. But you might want to be sure that you start off with the phones volume turned way down. 

Yeah, this next update sounds like it's mostly another round of more amp and pedal models. Humbug!  I'd really rather see some cool new features and capabilities such as the ones posted on Ideascale.  If they're going to add more models of pedals, at least pick some unique ones from the likes of Strymon and EH.  Otherwise, meh!  The Helix is perfectly fine the way it is.

21 hours ago, plarkin said:

I have a couple of these.  Not cheap, but they're rock solid and highly adjustable.

 

https://www.musiciansfriend.com/accessories/gibraltar-electronic-drum-mount-station/581377000000000?rNtt=gibraltar stand&index=18

That’s a cool stand!  Thanks. 

16 hours ago, qwerty42 said:

Before you do anything drastic, I'd really recommend finding another strat with 'known good tone' and try it with your Helix patches. While it's definitely possible the pickup was damaged, usually the damage is of the type that it doesn't 'sorta work'--it barely works or not at all. Also, try experimenting with the overall height of the pickup too. I've found that lowering single coils pretty low usually helps to get that 'spanky' strat sound.

 

If you have an ohm meter and know how to use it, you can measure the pickup to see if it's damaged.

 

Also, if you share your patches here, I can try it with my strat+helix and record it for you to see how it compares.

 

Edit Edit: I see you said you tried a friend's strat it and you didn't like the tone either. I think posting the patches you're using here so we can try would be best at this point, so you can at least have an idea how it sounds on other people's gear.

This. 

6 minutes ago, phil_m said:

 

I don’t know a lot about QuickTime, but it could be that it’s applying some sort of effect on the recorded audio when you play it back. QT is a video editor, not really a DAW, isn’t it?

Nah. It records in as high a fidelity as it can muster as far as I know. If anything it might even degrade the audio quality as I don’t think it records in an uncompressed format even though it can play those formats.  It’s not much of a video editor either. Pretty basic trimming utilities. 

You’re also not having to deal with the weird feel of the Variax. It responds quite differently than normal guitars, to me. 

Could it be that when listening to the recording you’re just not hearing the Variax acoustically and that’s making the difference? Try using in-ears as you record (even a cheap set) and see if you still get the same results.  The in-ears will likely sound different from your monitors so you just have to ignore that and only listen to the difference between the two sounds - track and listening to the playback. 

On 2/5/2020 at 7:32 AM, felipemartin said:

I understand what you say, BUT, since the JC-120 doesn't have a Master Volume, it'll sound not loud enough.

Actually, no. It will be plenty loud. Trust me. A master volume does not make a amp louder it is in fact designed to make it softer.  This could all be avoided if you simply did not use 4CM with this amp. It’s completely unnecessary because its preamp offers nothing that would benefit your tone. At least nothing that the Helix doesn’t already offer.