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I like putting the spring reverb after the amp but before the cab. Works really well for me, and sounds fine.

 

I think in the majority of cases, there would be little sonic difference between having an effect between the preamp and power amp and after the power amp and before the cab. There are some cases where if you had a lot of power amp saturation, it could make a difference, but the whole idea behind an effects loop is that it gives you the ability to put effects after saturation (for the most part).

I guess I'm going by the modeling accuracy that Line 6 has been touting. If they are willing to sweat the details about the characteristics of something as miniscule as the light bulb used in a Univibe, why not be just as accurate with the way the reverb and chorus is placed in the signal chain of a real JC-120 or a Fender Twin? And really, I'm not saying this just to be argumentative but wouldn't the models sound better if this little detail is more accurately represented? Wouldn't the JC-120's chorus effect and the Twin's spring reverb sound more authentic if it were placed before the power amp simulation algorithm?

So, someone had posted something about the JC-120 model and its chorus sound. I can't find that post now so I'm going to try to revive it as I'd like to know more.

As I remember it, the OP was saying that because you can't put a chorus effect between the preamp and power amp of the amp model (because there's no "effects loop" there), the sound of the JC-120 amp sim won't be quite right when the chorus is turned on. I would go a bit further and say that for those players who are really into spring reverbs (not me), they won't sound quite right either as you'll either have to put that effect before or after the amp model.

This would all be moot of course if the chorus effect and spring reverb were part and parcel of the amp models. Something tells me that they're not.

Thoughts? Am I wrong? Am i imagining things?

Can we pin this please?!!!

The pedal won't work globally. But there is the global option mentioned earlier, so that every patch that has a volume block in it will be affected by that option. You can place a volume block anywhere you want. In fact, if you wanted thirty-two volume blocks in one patch :D , you could do that too, although there'd be no room for anything else.

You gotta have control issues to want to do something like that!  Hahahahaha!

So guys and gals, you have to have a volume block for the expression pedal to work globally? I take it that you can also place that volume block before a reverb or delay right?

If any of you are ex-Boss GT Central forum members, there was a gal on there named Gem who had created a very innovative sax preset on here GT-8.  It was really very good and if played correctly, it was at times, fairly convincing.  I was very impressed by her very imaginative use of the GT-8's abilities.

Just play out of tune, and blame it on your pick...it'll be just like having a sax player. ;)

Ouch!  LOL

Unfortunately, the Helix is not a synthesizer. Maybe... maybe, if someone was really truly creative using the effects blocks in ways they were not meant to be used, somebody might come up with something resembling a sax-like sound.

Well, I have to say that we should be thankful that the Helix has enough lows that they can be cut. Some modelers I've used can be so wimpy in that department and although some have global EQs, there isn't much low end information to boost or cut. I prefer a device that has enough of the entire spectrum so that I can cut where I need to cut.

I don't have my own Helix yet but I certainly hope its EQs are more capable and effective than the last Line 6 modeler I had. 

Did the right thing, you'll love it  ;)

Boy, I hope so. The last Line 6 modeler I had (Pod XTLive) sounded ok but felt horrible and very static in response.

From the reaction of other players that I appreciate, I'm very hopeful that the Helix is a wholly different animal.

I should clarify that I do not as yet have the Helix in my hands.

I have preordered it from Sweetwater though.

Yes this is possible. Go into your global settings/footswitches and you'll find it there ;-)

Oh, Cool!  Thank you, lulu_m

Maybe there's already a way to do this but, with two rows of  four preset/stomp switches, I wish the lower four were could be for presets and the upper four be for stomps. The best of both worlds.

Cool! Thanks, Duncann.

Hello all.

After a very very long hiatus from Line 6 modelers, I'm going to give it another shot. Mostly it's because I'm a Yamaha fan.

I have some questions about the Helix's built in expression pedal and its operation as a volume control. Is there a global assignment for the expression pedal to only be a volume pedal? If not and if I had several patches that have it assigned as a volume pedal, does the Helix track the pedal's position/angle so that it supersedes the volume setting on each patch?  Can it be set to be the global output volume control (pre reverb and delay of course)?

Thanks.