spaceatl

1 hour ago, brue58ski said:

COMPLETELY OFF TOPIC:To spaceatl.  My mouse hovered over your avatar and I noticed it said you joined this forum on Dec 31, 1969. That's amazing! I didn't know Line 6 had been around that long!!! How did you do it? (just joking of course, But I had to make some comment.)

lol! Some Line 6 Humor I guess....I never noticed that before...I have been here too long....

On 10/30/2021 at 10:00 PM, rd2rk said:

 

Yes, they ARE alike. In the same way that a ball peen hammer is like a claw hammer. They'll both hammer a nail.

One is useful to carpenters. The other is useful to machinists.

Different tools for different jobs. If you want it all, get a Helix Floor.

 

Have you ever been to TGP? 1000 people bought one thing or another and think the other should be more like the one thing or the other.

They all think that if only L6 (or FAS or ____) had done it the other way, they'd have WAY more sales.

My current laugh is all the people over there saying that the PodGo should have this, that and the other features of Helix.

Depending, of course, on THEIR specific needs. And without costing more. And smaller.

Just dump the useless expression pedal, nobody needs that. Except for all the people who bought it SPECIFICALLY for the all-in-one form factor.

 

Bottom line - the old saying is true - "You can make some of the people happy some of the time, but you can't make all of the people happy all of the time". 

Also - "A jack of all trades is master of none".

Lastly - Rubber chickens are only funny if they're not for dinner. :-)

 

your post reminds of the time someone asked "...when will Line 6 finally make me a proper sandwich?!"....lol!

On 10/30/2021 at 5:42 PM, adagosto said:

Does anyone out there think like me....

Was the HX FX unit a missed opportunity in not including the amp modeling and display similar to the Stomp? 

 

I personally would prefer to have the expression pedal separate from the unit, but otherwise the I/O options are perfect. The size and footprint are perfect. Everything is pretty much they way I'd like to use it.... except it's missing the amp modeling. The LT is too big and I don't really want to use the expression pedal on the board, but that's just me.

 

Now the Quad Cortex seems even more appealing. It's way, way more expensive, but has all the right features, capabilities and in the right form factor and it's new technology.

 

IDK....I know I'm just complaining, but I hope Line 6 reps read these things and take notes. I'm starting to think about holding off on Line 6 and see what they come out with next.

 

Thoughts? Or should I just shut up......I'm going to go practice more....thx!

At the time, I think the HXFX was more of a long overdue update for the M13 workhorse...you gotta go back a while and things were not as they are now.

I play both bass and guitar...a lot more bass these days in terms of studio and playing out...I used the HD Desktop for nearly 10 years and got a pod GO during the pandemic and did 2-3 shows on it and a bunch of song writing...I have been using Native for a while and started using some source audio stuff (more for bass specifically) and needed midi....I love the GO layout, but it does fall short a bit on how the blocks are locked down....So it was past time for me to make the move to HX...The XL is basically the exact same form factor as the GO minus the expression pedal. I have been using Line 6 for a long time and I am very happy with the XL...I can get whatever I need out of it...There are a few things it does not do well for me....synths...they are ok for some padded stuff, but the latency is too much and not enough diversity there for me....eq...the eqs are ok. I have an EQ2 first in the chain that calibrates my instruments before the hit whatever I am using....It's a dual 10 band parametric...I use one for the instrument and the other to sculpt the signal for the C4 synth I use. The last bit is the Ultrawave Bass pedal....nothing like that in HX....

I am using the XL as my midi controller also....XL midi out to the Neural Hub and I can do whatever I need to control those 3 pedals. If you had an older amplifier with CV footswitches, you might need to add a midi controlled relay box....lots of options on that.

I had an HXFX for a little while. I would take the XL over it just because I like the form factor of the XL better than the HXFX...It's a great unit, just a little too big for what I need from it.

Not sure if that helps you or not....I have played the full helix and lt many times and I know the capability....an LT or Full Helix would work better for me from a dsp perspective, but like you I don't want a modeler that size because of the other bits I need. best of luck to you with your decision.

Most of us don't suffer from it because we take two outputs and sum externally as needed. I don't plug/unplug my stereo outs...that would be lame....

I have two Alto TS212 monitors and one TS315. I have used a single ts212 playing bass for rehearsal. It is just barely enough in a small studio 3 pc situation. two ts212 work better than one for bass...I generally use the ts315. for bigger shows i use all three. the ts315 goes where a conventional bass amp would go or I side fire it. The alto is the same oem guts as the headrush. I really like them and they are holding up very nicely. I play guitar and bass and have been using the ts212s for years. I did have two ts212 subs but I downsized to the single 15...it made more sense for me. I used IEMs sometimes and don't need any of them.

you don't need a computer...I thought about adding a hardware host for my GO to support interaction with my source audio pedals....The problem is that it takes up space on the pedalboard and increases the cost to the point of a stomp xl....so I went there instead....but you can do it.

https://www.perfectcircuit.com/kenton-midi-usb-host-mkii.html

EQ2 has two gates...I have not tried a gate yet on the synth, but that actually makes a ton of sense. I always use a little physical dampening...gate is just electronic dampening in a way...That may be a very nice finishing touch...My C4 is outside the HX so I can't really use the HX Gate....I have a heavy patch building session to do this weekend to get ready for a Halloween show and I am going to see how the EQ2 gate works...thanks!

My board is all 9 volt, so I just use a 9v medical grade supply (5A)...About $20-30 depending on the vendor...but no fancy billet aluminum box...

On 10/19/2021 at 2:40 PM, HonestOpinion said:

 

True but wouldn't that apply more to not profiting by putting out a competing product based on the one you reverse engineered? Does the EULA expressly forbid tinkering for your own fun and folly?  Maybe it does to some extent just to indemnify the company from things like accidental electrocution or setting the thing on fire. In that case intended more to prevent a lawsuit against the company than to provide an opportunity to sue the consumer. The EULA doesn't forbid part swapping as far as I know in products like PCs, that are expressly designed to be upgraded. Guess you have to read the fine print. You will in many cases however void your warranty and perhaps create a very expensive doorstop.

Really need to take the time to read this stuff....Remember what happened to Kyle when he didn't read the Apple EULA and got his mouth sewn to someone's a$$?... :-)

I use channel 2 of my Source Audio EQ2 to help synth tracking...channel 1 is for regular tone. I have a c4 also as I am not totally digging the tracking in the HX...for bass it really helps to get the mud out of there....the other thing you can do is a string dampener....sock on the headstock etc....

The rule of thumb of in ALL professional audio studios and live audio production companies is preamps power on first, power amps power on last....power down is reverse...amps first then preamps...It may be that something in your chain does not have a safety relay(s) or the relay(s)...I am not sure if Helix has them, but I think they do..

But I would suggest you follow this age old rule with your audio gear...Get power sequencer...losing RCF drivers on a pro audio system that is 4x overpowered is a very real and extremely expensive risk. Every time a speaker pops (amp clip), it is hit with a little DC and nothing wears a voice coil faster...

Here's a thought...not sure but this can cause pops with lots of gear

If you are running very low or incorrect output levels (xlrs mic level and speaker at line level)...then you over crank the input to the monitor and it pops when both start at the same time....that is because the input on the amp is too sensitive....check for that...mismatched levels is really common with Line 6

This was very common on the HD modelers because the XLRs were fixed at mic level and lots of folks plugged into line level monitors and basically running everything full tilt just to get a decent stage volume...That will pop like a mf...

...and then there is the EULA we agree to when we open the box, bag and use the device...pretty clear that direct or indirect reverse engineering is something we agreed NOT to persue.

I concur with rd2rk as that is nearly what I do now...Only difference is that I use an external preamp pedal to get it mostly corrected before hitting the aux in...That is mainly because of the block count in the stomp...not so much a dsp thing, just that piezos always need some correction and it would free up a block in the stomp for something else...with that, going for a dual tone thing like that on the stomp without a little external help can be a bit of a compromise depending on the needs....Not that it will not work acceptable...I just found it to be a bit compromising for myself without a little outside help...

18 minutes ago, theElevators said:

This is typical.  For those cases I have special "higher gain" snapshots if I know that I may be using a guitar with lower output.  I wish Helix had a global signal gain, like how it's done on the mic input...  One thing people do is get a gain pedal to either real or virtual and make it consistent from one guitar to another.  A Zakk Wylde Les Paul will always sound different from a 1930s jazz box.

 

Some wireless units have a gain setting you can adjust.  Perhaps that's something else to look into. 

this^^^ I use an EQ2 exactly for the purpose of aligning the output of my basses and guitars...There really isn't anything close to that in HX...A freaking dual 10 band parametric with dual limiters in a tiny little thing that is midi enabled....Best EQ I have ever found for guitar or bass yet...

Maybe you don't know what you like yet for pups, maybe?....If you like the ones you took out better, why put them back in, send the duncs back and try something else?

Personally, I don't like Seymour Duncans at all for myself. That goes back to a bad experience with them in the 80s and I won't use them. I prefer DiMarzios and that is all I have used primarily since the late 80s...It's sorta like my disdain for all things Celestion for my own tones....I prefer the EV12L vibe....I have heard many people use Seymours, Celestions and other gear I don't prefer for myself and sound fantastic...So the gear isn't the problem...It's like trying on clothes, some things fit...other things don't, but they fit other folks...

I use medium output pickups as I love all styles and that approach has worked for me....I also know that I don't like ceramic pickups at all for myself...In terms of a bridge pup, I settled on the PAF Pro for many many years....I moved the Fred (Slightly hotter PAF Pro) in the early 2000s....and I loaded one guitar with a MoJo (Slightly hotter Fred) when it came around....

good luck...

Yea, that is one of those things you think about...

some stomp xls have been showing up from the factory loaded strangely. Mine had no patch names but the patches are there...just blank names...Try a factory reset and that should put everything back if factory presets seem abby normal.

You need something like this to do what you are wanting to do....

https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/MIDIRelay--midi-solutions-relay-midi-event-controlled-relay?mrkgadid=1000000&mrkgcl=28&mrkgen=gdsa&mrkgbflag=0&mrkgcat=studio&recording&acctid=21700000001645388&dskeywordid=39700065013197598&lid=39700065013197598&ds_s_kwgid=58700007232174981&device=c&network=g&matchtype=b&adpos=largenumber&locationid=9010798&creative=537361853712&targetid=aud-901598976705:dsa-1385849847530&campaignid=6730319008&awsearchcpc=1&gclsrc=aw.ds&gclid=CjwKCAjwzaSLBhBJEiwAJSRokpd9656peQUFF_GoLHQCVWcz3bRKwu4v50fb5b2kMZwrsIg69F6I7xoCwncQAvD_BwE

You would need a hardware host to get midi going on the GO without a computer. I looked into doing this but it was less to move to the HX Stomp to get midi

Get a little stereo mixer and put it on the aux...If you don't want a mixer, then you could make some passive summers with some Y cables and 10k resistors...

If you like the GO form factor, the HX Stomp XL is basically identical minus the built-in expression pedal. The dsp limitation is the same between the GO and the Stomp XL. But the Stomp XL will allow you to choose what you like in any block up to the limit. I used the GO for over a year. It's a great bit of gear...I love the layout and it filled its purpose for writing and gigging...I decided to add some source audio stuff and needed midi...instead of going the midi host route, I went to the stomp xl...working great for me

+1 on parallel...Since that seems to be the primary issue, I would suggest pulling it down where it is to make a parallel chain....then you can set the delay 100% wet and blend with the merge...That may get the coloration that is bugging you out without changing the patch a whole bunch.

I use the LA2A model near the end of my chain in a good many patches. My main compressor is external.

In addition to running from the same source as rd2rk suggested, I also use a transformer based AVR (Automatic Voltage Regulator) on the input power for my entire rig. Ground loops are something I dealt with before I used an AVR...1985 maybe?...I have toured globally with this approach...Hum eliminators are pretty rare for me but I always have at least one...I have had some rack rigs in the past where I had some internal ground loops, but those are usually solved with a couple of signal shield lifts to normalize the rig signal ground path...Additionally in rack rigs, all but one component electrical ground are lifted because the rack rails...I always use a "hum eliminator" but that is just a direct box connecting to other systems that are not on my source power...signal isolation...

I used a Furman AR-15 for years...These days a Tripp Lite LCR1200 is plenty and just a good as the Furman but quite a bit less $$....Power Conditioners are NOT AVRs.

I think your mix is set to 100% on the merge. click where chain 2 merges to chain 1 at the end...isn't there a mix for summing the chains there?....basically, you need a 50:50 mix...probably dimed cutting out chain 1