evrybobry Posted June 27, 2013 Share Posted June 27, 2013 Hi, I just bought Spider IV and it's strange for me that master knob is active between 0 and 3, maybe 3,5. I found post on old forum but there is no awnser (http://line6.com/support/thread/21395). It's very annoying for me because on concerts it's hard to regulate master volume :/ Maybe someone resolve this problem ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fflbrgst Posted June 28, 2013 Share Posted June 28, 2013 Not sure what you are saying? Your total volume is based on a combination of the Channel Volume (which is part of any preset you are using) and the Master Volume. If the Channel Volume is set very high, then at a certain point the Master Volume no longer increases the volume when you turn it up - you have reached the maximum volume output of the amp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evrybobry Posted July 6, 2013 Author Share Posted July 6, 2013 For example: I'm seting Chanel Volume for 10%. Now I'm using Master knob to volume up. I can hear any changes of volume only to 30-35% of scale of knob, after that volume do not change it's already max. When I'm setting Chanel Volume to 50%, 88%, whatever, when I'm geting to 30-35% of master knob volum is max and I can set master knob to 50%- 90% it doesen't matter. In my old amp when I set chanel for 10% and master for 50% I had 5% of power. When I set Chanel for 50% and Master for 100% I had 50% and so on. Here When I set Chanel for 50% and master for 40% or 70% I have 50% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a_deppe Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 Jup - same problem here with a Spider iv 150 - for me the Master pot behaves like a 180 degree twisted logarithmic volume pot. This means it starts rising the volume very fast and needs for the 10% of volume the last 50% of the way. I allready contact the support about that. The answer was: make a factory reset and try to reload the latest firmware. I did that, how ever I've still have this problem. So I went up into a store just to check if it is the hardware. I found out: all of the Spiders I tested work same same bad way - so for me this is clearly a firmware bug. I mean this is probably easy to fix because it is most likely just a accidentally reversed function in the VCA programming of the master pot. How ever some one have to tell them that - an I'm afraid the support hotline would do that. So does any body know if there is a public bug tracking tool available, or how to contact the 3'rd level support to report and confirm that error? cuAndreas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fflbrgst Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Jup - same problem here with a Spider iv 150 - for me the Master pot behaves like a 180 degree twisted logarithmic volume pot. This means it starts rising the volume very fast and needs for the 10% of volume the last 50% of the way. I allready contact the support about that. The answer was: make a factory reset and try to reload the latest firmware. I did that, how ever I've still have this problem. So I went up into a store just to check if it is the hardware. I found out: all of the Spiders I tested work same same bad way - so for me this is clearly a firmware bug. I mean this is probably easy to fix because it is most likely just a accidentally reversed function in the VCA programming of the master pot. How ever some one have to tell them that - an I'm afraid the support hotline would do that. So does any body know if there is a public bug tracking tool available, or how to contact the 3'rd level support to report and confirm that error? cu Andreas It's not a bug, its all dependent on the settings: Your total volume is based on a combination of the Channel Volume (which is part of any preset you are using) and the Master Volume. If the Channel Volume is set very high, then at a certain point the Master Volume no longer increases the volume when you turn it up - you have reached the maximum volume output of the amp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evrybobry Posted January 29, 2014 Author Share Posted January 29, 2014 It's not a bug, its all dependent on the settings: Your total volume is based on a combination of the Channel Volume (which is part of any preset you are using) and the Master Volume. If the Channel Volume is set very high, then at a certain point the Master Volume no longer increases the volume when you turn it up - you have reached the maximum volume output of the amp. I'm starting to think you really don't understand our problem. I know that total volume is based on a combination of the Channel Volume and the Master Volume. I have different level of channel volume for all my presets. It doesn't mater if my chanel volum is 5% or 85% Master Volume knob is usefull only to 30-35%, after that is as loud as on 30-35%. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fflbrgst Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 I'm starting to think you really don't understand our problem. I know that total volume is based on a combination of the Channel Volume and the Master Volume. I have different level of channel volume for all my presets. It doesn't mater if my chanel volum is 5% or 85% Master Volume knob is usefull only to 30-35%, after that is as loud as on 30-35%. IF that's the case then ther eis something wrong wiht your amp and you should bring it to an authorized service center for evaluation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a_deppe Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 I don't think that this will help. As I wrote - I was all ready back in the shop and checked the other Line6. All behave the same way. I don't believe, that all of them are broken. So this is ether a "marketing feature" to make people believe that line6 amps are louder the others (I guess most of the customers wouldn't turn the volume pot to 5 a clock in a shop if it is loud as hell at 12 a clock...), or this is a bug. If it is a bug then it have to be fixed by line6 with a FW update. So the question was: Is there is a way to tell them / contact them, other then over the support page. Honestly speaking I hope it's a bug and not a feature because experience say: marketing will win those battles as long they can increase the numbers with such tricks ... cuAndreas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fflbrgst Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 All I can say is that my Spider IV 75 does not behave that way... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrmtez Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 Dont use master volume to control volume levels, sounds crazy but line 6 amps have a lollipopting master volume control. Basically set it at your preferred volume using a stock pre-set, And modify all your presets using Channel Volume to have the same level as the control (the factory preset at your desired master volume level). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ericksquivel Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 Hello my name is erick and i have the same problem! My spider iv 75 doesnt work very great in less of 25% of the full master volume. When im playing the sound just goes down and doesnt come back till i move the knob up but it doesnt happens all the time, sometimes it just stays very low for a couple of minutes and when im playing live is very annoying cause the sound goes up suddenly. I dont know what to do i checked with the channel volume and with the master volume and its the same. I hope someone could help us soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fflbrgst Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 Hello Erick. Your problem is different than what the original poster was talking about. What you may have is a moving control from vibration of the amp - when you hear the volume change, check the master volume (and channel volume) controls - have they moved from what they were set at? The channel volume control will not necessarily show what the preset is set at, this is a 'saved' level, but the master volume is not saved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jak_E_lee Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 I have a 75 and a 150 head,no vol issues at all. For rythmn work,my channel vols are all set at the 12 oclock position For lead patches,i set them at 2 oclock channel volume. On the 75,master volume at 12 oclock and on the 150 its at 9 oclock. Give it a try. But I think I understand what the original poster is saying. They are getting max master out put at around the 10 pm position with the master vol.shouldnt be the case at all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasddr2 Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 Yes I am having volume issues with my 150 spider iii also. Sound levels just fade off when I play leads. Its not the cable or guitar...checked. It tends to happen after the amp heats up a bit. Also, I use a Mk11 shortboard (yes I changed cat 5 cable too). Someone said it could be the channel volume moving...caused from vibrations......any thoughts. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fflbrgst Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 After the volume fades, can you get it back - if so, how? A Spider 3 is fairly old, you may have components that are failing, only an authorized service center could diagnose for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1363h Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 No problems with my Spider IV, 120. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjack972 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 This is a problem inherent with both my Spider IV HD 150 and my Spider IV 150 combo. The master volume control is uber-sensitive around the 8-9-10 o clock position. The volume output rises and maxes out very quickly. Also, the pots move so freely, that at high volume levels, the master volume knob can and will move from vibration. The only solution I have come up with is to try to set the channel volumes of your presets lower, and I put a #10 o-ring behind the knob itself, between the knob and the face plate of the amp, which offers a little more physical resistance (depending on how hard you push the knob back on the shaft of the pot after installing the o-ring) and my master volume no longer moves when I don't want it to. It also makes the master volume a bit more manageable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortyred Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 I purchased the Spider iv 120 in april and the master volume knob is still super sensitive!!! I can't put it at 12:00 unless I want my ears to bleed! I don't understand why they won't fix this! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fflbrgst Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 I purchased the Spider iv 120 in april and the master volume knob is still super sensitive!!! I can't put it at 12:00 unless I want my ears to bleed! I don't understand why they won't fix this! Check your channel volume settings on any patches where this is happening - if you have the channel volume WAY up, this is possible. Yes the 120 is loud! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcook81 Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 I read all these posts, and they seem very contradictory and confusing. I have tried various combinations of Master vs Channel volume, and still not satisfied with behavior of the amp. Should I just take this to a service center at this point? I'm ready to just sell this thing and move onto another amp. I like the amp when it works as expected. It just never works as expected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evrybobry Posted February 10, 2017 Author Share Posted February 10, 2017 Just sell it like I did. Line 6 don't give a F about problems theirs users have. I bought Peavey tube amp and it works perfect. Also I have TC-Helicon Voicelive 3 and it is much much much much better than Line Spider Signal processing in use with guitar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fflbrgst Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 Jcook - what problems (behaviors) are you having? The standard way of using the two volume controls is to set the master volume around 25% (to start) then adjust the channel volume in each patch to be similar as you change patches. Then if you need more volume overall, you use the master volume. For live playing, I would typically have a patch in each bank with the same tone settings as another patch, but with a higher channel volume so I could switch to that for a lead part. Note that the amp has a maximum volume it can achieve - this is a combination of the 2 volume controls. If you have the channel volume at 100%, then when you adjust the master volume there will be a point where turning it further does not increase the volume any more. If you bought a car and couldn't figure out how to adjust the radio and cruise control settings would you sell it? Or try to learn how to use it correctly? Thousands of people have been using the Spider amps for years for studio and live work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgince Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 I have the same problem with my Spider IV 75. My master volume is very sensitive around 9 o clock. I can't put it over than this because, it jumps to a very too loud sound. I understand that i can set my channel volume lower for every patch. That's great. This will solve my issue. Almost. What about the factory patches? It seems that i can't change them. So, there is a risk for my ears if i set my master volume at 12 o clock and by accident, i go back on a factory preset. This risk can cause serious damage to my ears. My question is: Is there a way to have a firmware update with factory patches at a lower channel volume? Thanks for your help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fflbrgst Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 On 1/10/2019 at 9:59 PM, bgince said: I have the same problem with my Spider IV 75. My master volume is very sensitive around 9 o clock. I can't put it over than this because, it jumps to a very too loud sound. I understand that i can set my channel volume lower for every patch. That's great. This will solve my issue. Almost. What about the factory patches? It seems that i can't change them. So, there is a risk for my ears if i set my master volume at 12 o clock and by accident, i go back on a factory preset. This risk can cause serious damage to my ears. My question is: Is there a way to have a firmware update with factory patches at a lower channel volume? Thanks for your help. Save the factory patch to one of the user patch locations after making the changes in channel volume. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUREZO Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 I was once all all set back within the retailer and checked the opposite Line6. All raise on a an identical approach. I don't believe, that all of them are broken. So that is ether an advertising highlight to motive participants to believe that line6 amps are more excessive the others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brhea Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 My problem is Everytime I change the presents the volume gets super loud and almost blows my eardrums what can be done about this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fflbrgst Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 On 6/8/2019 at 10:13 PM, brhea said: My problem is Everytime I change the presents the volume gets super loud and almost blows my eardrums what can be done about this First, do you have the master volume knob up? If so, turn it down! Next, check the channel volume level on your presets - maybe it has been saved with full volume/ Some factory presets are quite loud compared with others. The factory presets are meant to be a starting place for sounds - adjust them to your liking, then save to a Use Preset patch location. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jawkcrom Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 My spider IV was working great until i decided to try a factory reset, now if I move the channel volume everything goes quiet and the only way to restore sound is by moving the Amp Model knob , any body have this problem? I feel like my amp is done for Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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