Patyk1986 Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 HelloI just bought a DI Box and I have a problem with getting a wet signal with it.I want to record a tube preamp through it and to have the advantage of easy editing. So I want to record it with the preamp connected and I want to keep that sound but to have a waveform that is easier to edit. The problem is that I dont hear the preamp at all, Reaper is recording just the dry signal. Could somebody tell me how to set it up ? Am I missing something ?Connection:guitar=DI Box INpreamp=DI Box OUT->preamp INinterface=DI Box->XLR->Mic In of my Tone PortThe DI Box is a Palmer 01, recording is set up for mic input 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigChas52 Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 Make sure that you are recording the processed signal. Usually that is sends 1&2. You need to have POD Farm or Gearbox running in order for Reaper to record a processed signal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patyk1986 Posted July 11, 2013 Author Share Posted July 11, 2013 Yes, I have the send 1 set for the recording. But opening gearbox is not an option because I want to record it with the preamp's tone that is connected to the DI Box, not with the Line6 tone from Gearbox/Podfarm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigChas52 Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 How are you getting the signal from the pre-amp into your DI? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patyk1986 Posted July 11, 2013 Author Share Posted July 11, 2013 Cable coming from the OUTput of the DI Box and going into the INput of the preamp. I watched some tutorials on YT on recording DI and everything is connected properly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triryche Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 If you are recording via USB you need to do this Guitar>>Preamp>>Toneport DI Anything in your physical signal chain after the Toneport DI will not be sent to your DAW via USB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigChas52 Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 You seem to be missing the part about getting the signal out of your pre-amp and into your TonePort. The DI Box is only acting as a splitter and sending the dry guitar to the TonePort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triryche Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 LOL!! I missed the part where he states what the DI box is. I was thinking he had a preamp going into a Toneport DI Silver or Gold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triryche Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 Is it possible you do not have the correct switches engaged on the Palmer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigChas52 Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 Try this . . . Guitar --> Pre-amp in Pre-amp out-->DI 1/4" In DI XLR Out-->Toneport Mic In You could also plug the pre-amp directly into the TonePort's line-in's and eliminate the DI. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigChas52 Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 Is it possible you do not have the correct switches engaged on the Palmer? With what he is describing, there is no active feed coming from the pre-amp in this config. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triryche Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 Is it an A/B-Y box, so he might have some other routing need? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triryche Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 +1 to BigChas Try this . . . Guitar --> Pre-amp in Pre-amp out-->DI 1/4" In DI XLR Out-->Toneport Mic In You could also plug the pre-amp directly into the TonePort's line-in's and eliminate the DI. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patyk1986 Posted July 11, 2013 Author Share Posted July 11, 2013 Try this . . . Guitar --> Pre-amp in Pre-amp out-->DI 1/4" In DI XLR Out-->Toneport Mic In You could also plug the pre-amp directly into the TonePort's line-in's and eliminate the DI. I tried it and it worked. I mean, I can hear the preamp now. Now, there's still a problem because the waveform does not look like a DI signal, looks almost the same as my line-recorded preamp signal. And I want to use this DI Box to be able to edit easier. I set up two tracks to record, one with send 1 and the other with send 3. But they both seem to be wet and they are the same visually, not good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigChas52 Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 In order to get both a wet and a dry signal, you'll have to feed signals into the TonePort twice; a dry one from the DI/splitter, and a wet one from the pre-amp. The TonePort cannot take a wet signal and make it dry. I'm not sure what you are trying to do will work with your current setup. Does your pre-amp have either an XLR input or XLR output? If so, I can suggest something that will work. Another suggestion . . . Why don't you use the TonePort as the pre-amp? There are several decent pre-amps in there. Use sends 1&2 as processed and 3&4 as unprocessed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patyk1986 Posted July 11, 2013 Author Share Posted July 11, 2013 Yes my preamp has an XLR line out. What do you mean by using the TP as a preamp ? I think that when I record I should have two tracks armed at the same time. The first one should get me the wet signal and the other one a dry signal which should be different visually. That would be ok too. Cause I would "see" on the dry signal where to cut/paste in the wet signal. I would just edit them both at the same time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triryche Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 Which Toneport do you have? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patyk1986 Posted July 11, 2013 Author Share Posted July 11, 2013 UX 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triryche Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 When you say wet and dry, do you mean the dry has your preamp and the wet has your preamp + Pod Farm tones? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patyk1986 Posted July 11, 2013 Author Share Posted July 11, 2013 By wet I mean only the tone from the preamp. I dont use gearbox at all when recording. By dry I mean a clean signal without any tones, a DI signal. I mean this device is supposed to split my signal into two just like BigChas52 said. So while I have the preamp connected to it, I should end up with two simultaneously armed tracks which record those two seperate signals. IDK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triryche Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 Can you post a link to the DI box you have? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patyk1986 Posted July 11, 2013 Author Share Posted July 11, 2013 Yes. http://www.palmer-germany.com/pro/en/PAN-01-DI-Box-passive-PAN01.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigChas52 Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 OK . . . Try this Guitar --> 1/4" DI Input 1/4" DI through --> pre-amp input pre-amp XLR out --> TonePort Mic1 DI XLR Out --> TonePort Mic2 In the ASIO console, change the Input Source to "Mic 1 & 2" Record sends 1-2 will be your "wet" side from your pre-amp Record Sends 3-4 will be your "dry" side, direct from your guitar. This should work nicely As a separate conversation, Gearbox (also POD Farm 1, which is free), has some decent tube pre-amps built into it. You could just plug your guitar into the TonePort, bring up one of the pre-amps and record directly. You can set Sends 1&2 to Reaper as "processed/wet" and Sends 3&4 as "unprocessed/dry" I don't know if this will sound any better than what you are trying to accomplish with the extra outboard gear, but it's sure a lot simpler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patyk1986 Posted July 12, 2013 Author Share Posted July 12, 2013 OK, Im gonna need to buy an additional xlr cable. Gonna post the results as soon as Im gonna have it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patyk1986 Posted July 12, 2013 Author Share Posted July 12, 2013 OK, just tried this setup and it works ! Now I have two tracks, one wet and the other one is dry so I can now edit the DI signal and just apply the cuts or whatever to the wet track. BigChas52, Triryche thanks for your help. Additional question: is it worthwile to buy a better DI Box like a Radial ? This setup works but maybe a higher quality DI will produce less hums or inteferences ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigChas52 Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 I cannot say if a better DI would help. Hums and noise can come from lots of sources. CRT's, flouescent lights, ground loops, dirty power, and other things can add noise. Before you go out and invest more $$, why not at least try recording with only the TonePort and Gearbox. Try using the "Tube Instrument Preamp" for starters. You may find that you like the results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patyk1986 Posted July 12, 2013 Author Share Posted July 12, 2013 Well its actually the fact that the tone is a bit altered as opposed to the one recorded thru line-in. It is a bit more hollow, less upper frequencies. So I was figuring that maybe the Radial would not alter it in any way. Yes, I recorded some songs with Gearbox. But a tube preamplifier's distortion is so much better, richer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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