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I have a DT-50 212 and POD HD500X.

 

For me, the best sound is to connect the guitar directly to the amp! That's it: Pure Analog Tube sound! And the DT-50 sounds great.

 

Having said that:

 

1) I like the fact that only two cables are needed for them to be connected: guitar input jack and XLR for L6Link. Great.

BUT once the guitar is connected to the POD, the signal is digitallized, right? It might be 24bit 48kHz, but you're losing tone (harmonics at least) for a start. Even in tunning mode?

 

2) What I need now is to have the DT-50 to make all the sounds. I mean, NO EMULATIONS/SIMULATIONS of any amp clean or distorted by the POD. How can I do that? So, the POD HD500X would simply be a controller of the DT-50, switching channels, from a clean to a crunch, from one voicing to another, from a rhythm sound to a solo and higher volume sound, etc.

 

3) After accomplish (2), then use the POD HD500X to add just simple effects as needed. Like a delay for a solo, or a wah, etc.

 

 

If I can't make the (2) then I will sell the POD HD500X and buy some (analog) pedals.

 

Thanks in advance.

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It sounds like you're an analog person, possibly you may never be happy with the pod. You might find yourself liking the pedal route. Maybe someone here can explain better than I on how to get what you want but I suggest you read up on all the manuals Line 6 provides on these devices and spend time practicing with it.

 

I use an HD500 and use one MIDI cable and I usually plug the guitar right into the front of the amp. I control the amp via MIDI with the pod.

 

Sometimes I'll add to that an iPad with MIDI mobilizer in conjunction with the Pod. Sometimes I'll use the Pod via MIDI but plug the guitar into the guitar in of the Pod and come out from the L 1/4" out and on into the amp so I can make use of the volume pedal and/or wah.

 

Of course there's more that can be done but that's for starters.

 

The Pod and DT have so many options it's mind blowing, at least to me, but simply plugging into the front of this amp gets you good tone and a fun amp to play through.

 

I also like to play around with the 4 cable method and 3 cable method. Sometimes I'll plug a Beat Buddy or other drummer into the return on the amp and play with drums that way.

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1) Yes the signal is run though an A/D converter. However; the same is should be true for the DT amp too. The preamp section of of the DT is digital. The DT is not a pure tube amp, it's a hot-rod hybrid. Only the power amp side is analog. Logically the same amp emulation on the POD with the same exact settings over the DT link should be exactly the same as the DT stand alone. But several people such as your self reported finding similar as you that they thing the DT sounds better stand alone. I honestly would look at the input impedance setting on the POD. I often wonder if that is different on the POD where its is configurable vs. the DT Standalone.

 

2 &3) Yes. You could use the 4 cable method and set the POD to no Amp.  Then it would only add effects from the POD.  You lose the integration, but if you don't feel need it then it would work the same way as hooking up the pod to any good amp.

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Yes, I guess I'm becoming more an "analog person" Brazzy in the way that I don't want to loose frequencies in my sound.

 

"The DT is not a pure tube amp, it's a hot-rod hybrid."!!! Sh***t. Didn't know that! Thanks for the info Palico.

Feeling sad now... But anyway, the amp sounds good to me.

 

So, you're saying that these 2 options should be the same, because the signal will be A/D converted anyway by the pre amp:

- connecting the guitar directly to the amp

- guitar->HD500X->L6LINK->DT-50

 

OK, so sticking with the 4 basic voicings (which I'm supposing to be the best sounds) how do I setup the HD500X to have the same sounds as if the guitar was connected directly to the amp?

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So, you're saying that these 2 options should be the same, because the signal will be A/D converted anyway by the pre amp:

- connecting the guitar directly to the amp

- guitar->HD500X->L6LINK->DT-50

 

 

Supposed to? Yes  reality? you be the judge... Set the POD to a Park 75, no effects all default settings. That should be voicing II on the DT, if you have not changed any of the other configuration (class, penatote,etc...).  

 

I've seen several post here where others report that they think it sounds different on each. The POD has some configurations for the impedance of the guitar input. I'm not sure what the DT's default impedance is. Others have mentioned something about an internal boost that is not over the L6 link as well. I use a DT25 and POD HD500x. Although I just tweak the entire rig to fit my taste and never really worried about if one was slightly better than the other. The dream rig full flexibility I'm not willing to give up for slight increase tonal response. But if you are more of a analog type and you are probably just going to use one or two amp models in a performance then the DT with analog pedals could be good option as well. 

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I have a DT-50 212 and POD HD500X.

 

For me, the best sound is to connect the guitar directly to the amp! That's it: Pure Analog Tube sound! And the DT-50 sounds great.

 

Having said that:

 

1) I like the fact that only two cables are needed for them to be connected: guitar input jack and XLR for L6Link. Great.

BUT once the guitar is connected to the POD, the signal is digitallized, right? It might be 24bit 48kHz, but you're losing tone (harmonics at least) for a start. Even in tunning mode?

 

2) What I need now is to have the DT-50 to make all the sounds. I mean, NO EMULATIONS/SIMULATIONS of any amp clean or distorted by the POD. How can I do that? So, the POD HD500X would simply be a controller of the DT-50, switching channels, from a clean to a crunch, from one voicing to another, from a rhythm sound to a solo and higher volume sound, etc.

 

3) After accomplish (2), then use the POD HD500X to add just simple effects as needed. Like a delay for a solo, or a wah, etc.

 

 

If I can't make the (2) then I will sell the POD HD500X and buy some (analog) pedals.

 

Thanks in advance.

When the drums come in nobody can tell the sampling rate of your guitar rig. But you're right, there's nothing like a guitar straight into a good tube amp.

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I wish I had a dollar for each time we've had this thread.

 

Not to be a downer, but the inevitable conclusion of this thread is that the OP will eventually find that the POD HD into the DT amp is identical to the guitar direct into the DT.  He just has to find the right settings that he currently has mismatched.

 

Although there is a lesson here:  It's evidently easier to get the tone you want from the DT because there's less switches!

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