johnpetrucci83 Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 Hi, I have a Firehawk Fx from 3 months and i'm very happy. The sounds are great, but the limitation is the number of custom blocks in the chain. There are only 3 custom blocks. It's possible to increase the number? In future update, there will be changes? Enough 4-5 custom blocks. The Firehawk FX is fantastic, but this is great limit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skitterhawk Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 I second the motion... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triryche Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 You could post it on IdeaScale and invite users to vote it up. But I'm guessing it is a hardware limitation and to add more custom blocks something else would need to be sacrificed. http://line6.ideascale.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcbeddall Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 I wouldn't mind having the option to drop any of the fixed blocks, I don't always use comp/eq/reverb it would be cool to be able to assign a flex block to one of those (there is in fact a patch on the cloud that has the effects loop removed and 4 effects blocks available, which has to have been done by someone at line 6 doesn't it?) I'd imagine guys who use firehawk just for effects would love to replace the amp block Submit the idea! I'd vote for it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverhead Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 No harm in suggesting the idea. However, I tend to agree with Triryche on this; it's likely a dsp-related hardware limitation. The Firehawk (unlike the Pod HD series) is designed so that the user will never encounter the dsp limit of the device. This requires design constraints such as limiting the number of dsp-intensive FX blocks such as delays, reverbs, and some mods/filters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcbeddall Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 Here is a picture of the tone with 4 flex blocks so it must be possible You can search it and see for yourself, though I've never road tested it so I have no idea if it is problematic or not 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnpetrucci83 Posted October 15, 2015 Author Share Posted October 15, 2015 In a previous update was added a looper function. Enough replace one block to it and there would be another block. I use the firehawk FX only for effects and this is a great limitation for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcbeddall Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 I second the motion... Hang on a moment! You posted that patch with 4 flex blocks didn't you? I just searched the cloud to see if it's still there and it is, and it says posted by skitterhawk! Did you create it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverhead Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 In a previous update was added a looper function. Enough replace one block to it and there would be another block. I use the firehawk FX only for effects and this is a great limitation for me. The thing is, the looper does not require much if any dsp processing. It just needs memory storage and a minimal amount of processor resources, not nearly as much as an additional FX block. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triryche Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 Screenshot_2015-10-15-14-38-34.png Here is a picture of the tone with 4 flex blocks so it must be possible You can search it and see for yourself, though I've never road tested it so I have no idea if it is problematic or not I don't own a Firehawk (and recently uninstalled the app to make room on my phone), perhaps it is dynamic and you get an extra flex block if not using all HD amps/effects? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcbeddall Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 I don't own a Firehawk (and recently uninstalled the app to make room on my phone), perhaps it is dynamic and you get an extra block if not using all HD amps/effects?Yeah I tried that and it doesn't work, the extra flex block has taken the place of the fx loop blockI can see no way of changing the fx loop to a different block, it seems hard coded, maybe an experiment by line 6 that accidentally ended up on the cloud? Illuminati maybe? Aliens? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnpetrucci83 Posted October 15, 2015 Author Share Posted October 15, 2015 I entered my idea to increase blocks in http://line6.ideascale.com/a/dtd/More-custom-blocks-on-chain/788149-23508?submitted=1 If you think it's a good idea, vote it! I hope that with an update this issue will be solved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnpetrucci83 Posted October 15, 2015 Author Share Posted October 15, 2015 The thing is, the looper does not require much if any dsp processing. It just needs memory storage and a minimal amount of processor resources, not nearly as much as an additional FX block. Hi, most likely you are right, but if the problem is processor, I suggest to insert 4-5 custom blocks in chain and restrict contemporary use only to 3 effects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverhead Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 Yes - I agree that it would be better. That's why I prefer the design of the POD HD and Helix devices where the user is in control of allocating DSP resources up to the maximum available, and is prevented dynamically (not by design) from exceeding those limits. These devices work just like you describe. All I am saying is that the Firehawk is designed differently. I think it would take a major design overhaul, not just an incremental improvement, to get additional assignable FX blocks. But, no harm in suggesting and voting for the idea. Who knows - it may indeed be achievable and eventually implemented. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnpetrucci83 Posted October 15, 2015 Author Share Posted October 15, 2015 Yes - I agree that it would be better. That's why I prefer the design of the POD HD and Helix devices where the user is in control of allocating DSP resources up to the maximum available, and is prevented dynamically (not by design) from exceeding those limits. These devices work just like you describe. All I am saying is that the Firehawk is designed differently. I think it would take a major design overhaul, not just an incremental improvement, to get additional assignable FX blocks. But, no harm in suggesting and voting for the idea. Who knows - it may indeed be achievable and eventually implemented. Thanks Silverhead :) Yes, i think that the temporary solution might be insert 4-5 custom blocks in chain and limit contemporary use only to 3 effects. In this mode, the processor will be used in same now way but in this way there would be greater use flexibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triryche Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 Aliens? You may be on to something there!!! :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skitterhawk Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 Yea, I'm the one who posted that 4 fx block patch. Don't really know how it happened and it was during an earlier firmware state. I haven't been back to it yet but does it still allow you to use 4fx blocks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skitterhawk Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 On a side note... I was looking on-line for some good Helix videos and to my surprise I found one by the son of a good friend of mine, Tony Camponova. I remember him coming into the music store where I worked and wanted me to show him things. The student becomes the teacher... Ha Check it out. http://youtube.com/watch?v=Qt63tbx5Ncc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urbanspaceblast Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 I entered my idea to increase blocks in http://line6.ideascale.com/a/dtd/More-custom-blocks-on-chain/788149-23508?submitted=1 If you think it's a good idea, vote it! I hope that with an update this issue will be solved. Added my vote. There's already a similar idea up there but it only has two votes, and one of those is mine :( . http://line6.ideascale.com/a/dtd/More-Effect-blocks-within-Firehawk-chain/786995-23508 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcbeddall Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 Yea, I'm the one who posted that 4 fx block patch. Don't really know how it happened and it was during an earlier firmware state. I haven't been back to it yet but does it still allow you to use 4fx blocks?I haven't tried playing through the patch (3 flex blocks has been enough for me so far) but using the app alone you can change any of the 4 flex blocks to whatever you like and still change the amp to a hd one there are no error messages or anything like that, not sure how it sounds as I'm out of town at the moment, but I remember you posted about this patch ages ago and I made a point of finding it and saving to "my tones" in case I ever needed the extra block so thanks for posting it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnpetrucci83 Posted October 16, 2015 Author Share Posted October 16, 2015 I haven't tried playing through the patch (3 flex blocks has been enough for me so far) but using the app alone you can change any of the 4 flex blocks to whatever you like and still change the amp to a hd one there are no error messages or anything like that, not sure how it sounds as I'm out of town at the moment, but I remember you posted about this patch ages ago and I made a point of finding it and saving to "my tones" in case I ever needed the extra block so thanks for posting it Probably you have an old release, because with firmware 1.10 and 1.20 the flex blocks are 3 and not 4. I invite you to vote here the software mod. http://line6.ideascale.com/a/dtd/More-custom-blocks-on-chain/788149-23508?submitted=1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcbeddall Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 Nope I'm on 1.20 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urbanspaceblast Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 I can only change the 3 blocks in the screenshot. The comp and reverb blocks are fixed. Android v1.20 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnpetrucci83 Posted October 16, 2015 Author Share Posted October 16, 2015 I can only change the 3 blocks in the screenshot. The comp and reverb blocks are fixed. Android v1.20 Me too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcbeddall Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 Read the full thread man! As explained it's a rogue patch that ended up on the cloud somehow with 4 flex blocks, search for it, download it and try it out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnpetrucci83 Posted October 16, 2015 Author Share Posted October 16, 2015 Nope I'm on 1.20 In your picture there isn't a block FX Loop! Why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urbanspaceblast Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 Read the full thread man! As explained it's a rogue patch that ended up on the cloud somehow with 4 flex blocks, search for it, download it and try it out Sorry to bother you, please accept my sincere apologies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcbeddall Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 Well it's just that all the info is already there, I'm not well and probably cranky so my apologies, As in the pic I posted the title is "BJ Clean 1" Do a manual tone search for that name using the app and it should show up, Download it to the firehawk and try it out, I haven't tried it while connected to the firehawk as I'm out of town The extra flex block has taken the place of the fx loop block so it may be that one of those 4 flex blocks you can see doesn't do anything, I'm not sure, but on the app you can assign any effects you want into the 4 spaces instead of the usual 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnpetrucci83 Posted October 16, 2015 Author Share Posted October 16, 2015 Scuse me, but i didn't understand! The procedure for 4 blocks FX is: 1) Go to Tone Search 2) Insert BJ Clean 1 3) Save found patch If you open found patch in editor, will see 4 custom blocks! Thanks mcbeddal! ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcbeddall Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 In your picture there isn't a block FX Loop! Why?It got replaced by the extra "flex block"Nobody knows how or why An intriguing mystery for sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnpetrucci83 Posted October 16, 2015 Author Share Posted October 16, 2015 However we vote for software update! ;)http://line6.ideascale.com/a/dtd/More-custom-blocks-on-chain/788149-23508?submitted=1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcbeddall Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 Scuse me, but i didn't understand! The procedure for 4 blocks FX is: 1) Go to Tone Search 2) Insert BJ Clean 1 3) Save found patch If you open found patch in editor, will see 4 custom blocks! Thanks mcbeddal! ;) No problem, I hope it helps Like I say I'm not sure if all the blocks actually work (I have tried the tone in the past but probably didn't change all the blocks to verify that they were working) If you try it, let us know how you get on It is possible it may just be a graphical glitch that makes it look like there is an extra stomp or something, one of them may just operate like the fx loop block Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcbeddall Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 However we vote for software update! ;) http://line6.ideascale.com/a/dtd/More-custom-blocks-on-chain/788149-23508?submitted=1 Yeah I voted yesterday At least if that patch works it answers the question about whether an extra block is possible in a future firmware Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badspike Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 However we vote for software update! ;) http://line6.ideascale.com/a/dtd/More-custom-blocks-on-chain/788149-23508?submitted=1 Voted for It. Yes it would be a nice addition though if I need something more I'll usually just put one of my standalone pedals in the effects loop and use it when needed. MHH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnpetrucci83 Posted October 18, 2015 Author Share Posted October 18, 2015 Voted for It. Yes it would be a nice addition though if I need something more I'll usually just put one of my standalone pedals in the effects loop and use it when needed. MHH Thanks Just Startin' ! ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcbeddall Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Ive been playing about with that 4 block patch tonight and as yet I've found no problems with it, works fine with everything I've tried so far Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
howarddavidp Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 I am being 100% serious, if I can't find the 4 FX block patch, I am not going to buy this amp. I have searched the CLOUD from BJ Clan 1, in and out of quotes, to no avail. This is the only thing holding me back, I have been looking through the app, and I would want to do 4 flex blocks. Anyone know if another patch with 4? Or can someone upload another 4 block patch? Thanks, David I just voted for this, I was vote #21... :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ric1966 Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 I just found it... search the tone cloud for "Bj clean 1" You should see two tones with that name, pick the one by Skitterhawk. I have not played it through FH yet, but all four block are flexible, with no errors changing any of them to different types in the app. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varialogue1 Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 Yes and it looks like you may have typed bj clan 1 rather than bj clean 1 which gives it a different meaning entirely. 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slammed2 Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 Very nice! I've owned my Firehawk for almost a week, love running across this type of stuff. Just downloaded the patch and will load it tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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