doug316 Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 I've dialed in a really great Metallica Master of Puppets clean tone, with one exception. That first strong E note of Sanitarium captures how the real amp sounds, super strong yet lean on the low end. In my case, I get clipping and none of the strong bottom end. I addressed other EQ but can't get rid of the clipping nor the bass response I'd expect. Anybody have any insight? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColonelForbin Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 Out of curiosity, I did some searching on Google, for any notes on this. Actually found a thread from 2004, with the following insight: "The low E's are being doubled by a piano." https://forum.guitar.com/effects-22/need-help-figuring-out-sound-metallica-sanitarium-170644 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doug316 Posted January 6, 2016 Author Share Posted January 6, 2016 Out of curiosity, I did some searching on Google, for any notes on this. Actually found a thread from 2004, with the following insight: "The low E's are being doubled by a piano." https://forum.guitar.com/effects-22/need-help-figuring-out-sound-metallica-sanitarium-170644 That may be true on the record. I'm not 100% convinced though. Something's still missing vs the real amp, and I'm not sure why there's clipping. Maybe I need to try the Bassman... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kensington Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 Impossible to say without hearing the original and your patch.Could be a thousand things, amps, cabs, strings, pick-ups, mikes, compressors, analog mixing console, dubbing....the list is endless:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColonelForbin Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 SO, on that piano doubling - here is an idea.. Can you route a copy of the clean / dry guitar signal through a 'piano' IR? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marijnv6 Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 I've dialed in a really great Metallica Master of Puppets clean tone, with one exception. That first strong E note of Sanitarium captures how the real amp sounds, super strong yet lean on the low end. In my case, I get clipping and none of the strong bottom end. I addressed other EQ but can't get rid of the clipping nor the bass response I'd expect. Anybody have any insight? Did you try lowering the master volume on the amp and maybe the drive a bit too? I had some clipping with that amp with the default settings. I think one of the ribbon mics has alot of low end. Did you try the different mics and distances? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHamm Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 SO, on that piano doubling - here is an idea.. Can you route a copy of the clean / dry guitar signal through a 'piano' IR? OMG I WANT TO MESS AROUND WITH THAT! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColonelForbin Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 OMG I WANT TO MESS AROUND WITH THAT! Yeah, I mean if you can take a piezo signal on a Variax and make it sound like a banjo, or a 12 string acoustic guitar, or a sitar; then it seems feasible to use a similar process to take a dry guitar signal and make it sound pianoish. Not like full on MIDI sample trigger, but akin to the Variax stuff. I don't have enough practical knowledge or experience using IR's so I have no clue how realistic that idea is; just seemed like a cool experiment that could be done! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doug316 Posted January 9, 2016 Author Share Posted January 9, 2016 Sound sample https://soundcloud.com/douggie-p/helix-asylum Helix -> DT50 212 FX return -> budget condenser mic -> Scarlet 6i6 -> Logic You'll notice the mild distortion on the opening note. I've heard this really move speakers on nice tube amps in the past, but the dynamics aren't sneaking through. Maybe some level meters in a future version would help. I'm thinking I need to drop the signal level down into the amp model and maybe bring it back up before the output. Will keep trying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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