Clean Amp to Dirty Amp

[ddufour]

Has anyone made a patch yet that would switch from a clean

amp to a dirty amp by using the expression pedal, and willing

to share that patch? When I had an HD500, I had downloaded

someones patch that did this, couldn't figure out how they did it'

but with the heel down, it was a clean amp, and as you went towards toe

down, the dirty amp would start kicking in. It was a seamless change.

Worked great for the song Kryptonite.

Thanks

Dan

[silverhead]

Here is a link to a couple of videos and associated patches from one of our members (thanks PeterHamm!!).

 

http://line6.com/support/topic/17643-acoustic-and-electric-at-the-same-time-with-helix/?view=findpost&p=130407

 

He demonstrates using electric and acoustic guitars in one patch but you can use the patch structure and substitute your own amps and FX as desired. Just make sure you understand the pedal setup and be able to recreate it before you remove the Amp/FX that the pedal controls.

[ddufour]

Thanks, I will check out this weekend

[njglover]

I mean, you could just set the expression pedal to control the amp's gain, that way it's clean with the heel down and dirty with the toe down.

[PeterHamm]

I do it on every single patch. EXP 1 goes clean to dirty, EXP 2 is volume, and EXP 3 is acoustic volume (I do two-voice, you can ignore that). I normally add a gain pedal or two so you can go from really sparkly clean to down and dirty in a moment.

It's all here.

 

Including links to patches.

 

https://pietrosquared.wordpress.com/helix-2-voice-guitar/

[ajcrowder]

I mean, you could just set the expression pedal to control the amp's gain, that way it's clean with the heel down and dirty with the toe down.

 

This was going to be my suggestion.  It's fairly simple to assign the controller to adjust the amp gain.

[silverhead]

I mean, you could just set the expression pedal to control the amp's gain, that way it's clean with the heel down and dirty with the toe down.

I do that in many patches, too. I find, though, that to maintain a consistent overall volume level you also have to assign the amp's channel volume or a separate Vol FX in the opposite direction to the same pedal. In other words, as you increase the amp gain you have to simultaneously decrease the amp/path volume.

[PeterHamm]

I do that in many patches, too. I find, though, that to maintain a consistent overall volume level you also have to assign the amp's channel volume or a separate Vol FX in the opposite direction to the same pedal. In other words, as you increase the amp gain you have to simultaneously decrease the amp/path volume.

 

Yes, and to REALLY do it right, you want less presence in the dirty than the clean, maybe less treble, definitely less bass, and probably more mids.

 

I even adjust SAG sometimes.

[acelab]

There it comes in handy that you can control several parameters at once with the same FS or pedal. Kudos to Line 6 / the Helix  :)  

[njglover]

It depends what you want, I often find that I WANT the cleans to be a little quieter so the distortion has more impact. You could also just use the volume knob on your guitar like they did back in the day and, if you've got a treble bleed circuit, it will naturally get brighter as you turn it down.

[billlorentzen]

In my Pod HD, I did that on every patch. I just got helix and I'm sussing out the best way to accomplish it. My patches generally are for going from rhythm level and sound to a lead sound. I control many parameters: all amp settings, EQ, distortion levels (or put the dist on a parallel path and use panning to bring it into the chain), delay, verb, compression, modulation, etc. with the exp pedal. It might have been my patch that the OP mentioned.

[PeterHamm]

In my Pod HD, I did that on every patch. I just got helix and I'm sussing out the best way to accomplish it. My patches generally are for going from rhythm level and sound to a lead sound. I control many parameters: all amp settings, EQ, distortion levels (or put the dist on a parallel path and use panning to bring it into the chain), delay, verb, compression, modulation, etc. with the exp pedal. It might have been my patch that the OP mentioned.

 

great minds think alike. I control a TON of different things with that EXP!

[njglover]

In my Pod HD, I did that on every patch. I just got helix and I'm sussing out the best way to accomplish it. My patches generally are for going from rhythm level and sound to a lead sound. I control many parameters: all amp settings, EQ, distortion levels (or put the dist on a parallel path and use panning to bring it into the chain), delay, verb, compression, modulation, etc. with the exp pedal. It might have been my patch that the OP mentioned.

 

If you want to do it that way, you could just set the expression pedal to control the A/B split. I usually use an A/B for songs I need to go from clean to dirty and have different amps on each path (but the same cab/IR on the end to save CPU) but in my case I just footswitch between them. No reason you couldn't just fade between with the EXP pedal, though.

[ddufour]

I got the expression pedal to go from almost no gain on the amp to 

a lot of gain on the amp, but that's not quite what I am looking for. I

guess I am looking for a clean amp with heel down, and crossover

to a distorted amp with toe down. I don't really no how to set up 2

different chains yet. Pretty new at this. The song I am trying to do this

for is Whitesnake's Love Ain't No Stranger. We used to have 2 guitar

players and the other one played the clean part. Now it's just me doing both.

[PeterHamm]

I got the expression pedal to go from almost no gain on the amp to 

a lot of gain on the amp, but that's not quite what I am looking for. I

guess I am looking for a clean amp with heel down, and crossover

to a distorted amp with toe down. I don't really no how to set up 2

different chains yet. Pretty new at this. The song I am trying to do this

for is Whitesnake's Love Ain't No Stranger. We used to have 2 guitar

players and the other one played the clean part. Now it's just me doing both.

 

That is dead easy, though. simply have the EXP control the output level of the amp or add a volume pedal to the chain of each. Then, one of the volume pedal blocks goes 0 - 100 and the other goes 100 - 0. Done.

[patrick_g_nelson]

There is a template that does exactly 

 

I got the expression pedal to go from almost no gain on the amp to 

a lot of gain on the amp, but that's not quite what I am looking for. I

guess I am looking for a clean amp with heel down, and crossover

to a distorted amp with toe down. I don't really no how to set up 2

different chains yet. Pretty new at this. The song I am trying to do this

for is Whitesnake's Love Ain't No Stranger. We used to have 2 guitar

players and the other one played the clean part. Now it's just me doing both.

 

There is a template that does exactly what you want.  Go into presets and select templates.  From there choose the 02D Two Tones Blend.  You can swap out the amps for whatever you like better.  It has two chains and switches between them using inverse controls on the volume pedal.

[ddufour]

Thanks, I will try that tonight. I have never looked in there.

Dan

[ddufour]

The 2 Tone patch was not quite what I was looking for. I need to go from

clean to dirty gradually, that is why I believe you have to use the expression

pedal. I tried the 2 Tone patch but that switched amps with a footswitch which

was an instant change.

I also tried using a distorted amp and turning the gain way down to make it

sound clean, then used the expression pedal to increase the distortion, but

with the gain down, I also lost a lot of volume.

I would like to actually use a clean amp and a high gain amp, and have the

expression pedal gradually transition the 2 amps until my toe is all the way down.

[jeremyn]

Just in case you missed it, scroll back up to PeterHamm's post (4 posts above this one). As he said, this is dead easy.

[PeterHamm]

You CAN crossfade between two amps, but some amps have awesome cleans and amazing dirt both, particularly, my "big 3", the Matchless Jump (THE AMP!), Dr. Z and /13. The Z and /13 were in HD 500, too, and I used them a lot. WAY more useful on Helix.

I might make a patch to show this off for y'all.

[ddufour]

The problem is I don't know how to do that. I have learned a lot in the 10 days

I have had this pedal, but still learning on a lot of other things.

[PeterHamm]

I put up my 2-amp patch audio sample on my Helix article. One of the amps goes from real clean to REALLY gritty PLUS you can add extra grit with a Timmy.

The video is uploading now, and will probably be functional before noon Easter Time.

 

The patch is already uploaded to the link in the article.

Don't know if it'll help, but it can't hurt.

https://pietrosquared.wordpress.com/helix-2-voice-guitar/

[klangmaler]

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