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The one thing I'm struggling with is getting a preset to sound great going to my stage (pub floor) rig, which is currently the FX return of a JCA 22H in to a 2x12 cab.  I have amp->cab going to the XLR outputs direct to the PA which sounds great.

 

I'm routing the output of the amp pre-cab block to the 1/4 Jack output which sounds awful, tried an EQ block after the amp to tame it a bit and it sounds better but not great.  The best solution I've found is to use 2 discrete paths, one using just a preamp block for the amp output, but this means duplicating all my effects and a lot of tweaking to get the sounds between the 2 paths balanced.

 

What would be great is if you could take a preamp out (FX send) from the amp block and route that to a second path.

 

Anyone got any better ideas?

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The one thing I'm struggling with is getting a preset to sound great going to my stage (pub floor) rig, which is currently the FX return of a JCA 22H in to a 2x12 cab.  I have amp->cab going to the XLR outputs direct to the PA which sounds great.

 

I'm routing the output of the amp pre-cab block to the 1/4 Jack output which sounds awful, tried an EQ block after the amp to tame it a bit and it sounds better but not great.  The best solution I've found is to use 2 discrete paths, one using just a preamp block for the amp output, but this means duplicating all my effects and a lot of tweaking to get the sounds between the 2 paths balanced.

 

What would be great is if you could take a preamp out (FX send) from the amp block and route that to a second path.

 

Anyone got any better ideas?

 

I was running this exact setup with a Mesa head and Recto 212 (slowly migrating to FRFR now). 

 

Have you tried a Helix full amp block?  Also try adjusting the presence knob on you tube amp as this like affects the power section.

 

I had a similar reaction to just the Helix preamp blocks into the effects return of my tube rig.

 

I also noticed that the JCA22H has EL84 tubes, which are inherently brighter and chimey.  I definitely noticed more harshness running Helix into my Mesa 20/20 EL84 amp and Recto 212 than my 6L6 amps.  Running full Helix amp models should tone that down as well as setting the Presence on your amp lower.

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Thanks for the response - I've tried the full amp models, but they don't sound anywhere near as good as the pre-amp only models into my Jet City, or my EHX Magnum 44, the pre-amps sound great!

The manual also recommends just using preamps if you are running in to an external power amp

 

I think the best solution for me is to run 2 separate path's for now, but a pre-amp out from the full amp model would be a fantastic addition so you could run to the PA with the full amp and cabs and to a power amp and real guitar cab from the pre-amp out, that would save a lot of DSP, and a lot of tweaking. 

 

Alternatively if they provided a power amp section only you could do it that way, currently there are pre-amps, full amps, amps and cabs, and cabs available as separate blocks, but no poweramp only block.

 

I'd post a request on the Ideascale but can't figure out how to register :)

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