mileskb Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 Are there any tricks to get "feedback" or something that sounds like it, without actually using speakers? I seem to recall some talk of it, but I can't find anything specific in search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie_Watt Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 Not really. Feedback is the interaction with the sound and the guitar. You need lots of gain - loud sound. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkornell Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 Yes, you can. Using one of the FX loops, put a patch cable from the send to the return. In your patch, have the FX return come before the FX send. To simulate what happens in an analog setting, have the FX return as the first in the chain, and the FX send as the last. You'll need to play around with the mix and send/return levels to get just the right amount of feedback. And you probably also want to use a footswitch to trigger when you want feedback by bypassing/activating the FX return block. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HonestOpinion Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 Yes, you can. Using one of the FX loops, put a patch cable from the send to the return. In your patch, have the FX return come before the FX send. To simulate what happens in an analog setting, have the FX return as the first in the chain, and the FX send as the last. You'll need to play around with the mix and send/return levels to get just the right amount of feedback. And you probably also want to use a footswitch to trigger when you want feedback by bypassing/activating the FX return block. That is one bada$$ little trick! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shanecgriffo Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 there is a trick with the volume/controller pedal too i used to do on my pod xtlive that has a feedback type sound and is usable in some instances.. i cant remember the exact procedure but what you want to do is to load a pitch effect with an octave higer setting and then control the dry/wet mix with the control pedal.. hit a 'dry' note then slowly push the pedal down to take the mix blend to full wet- 1 octave higher .. it'll sound quite like feedback (remember-you aren't changing the pitch with the pedal, just the blend from dry to wet) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mileskb Posted October 10, 2016 Author Share Posted October 10, 2016 Yes, you can. Using one of the FX loops, put a patch cable from the send to the return. In your patch, have the FX return come before the FX send. To simulate what happens in an analog setting, have the FX return as the first in the chain, and the FX send as the last. You'll need to play around with the mix and send/return levels to get just the right amount of feedback. And you probably also want to use a footswitch to trigger when you want feedback by bypassing/activating the FX return block. Well if this was a prank... ya GOT ME !!! LOL.. If you are serious... could you send me a preset that you setup to work? All I was able to achieve was electronic squeal... nothing resembling feedback. I did come close to a feedback sound on some of Glenn's presets if I hit the right note, usually a harmonic, it seemed like the reverb was holding the note for a long long long time.... and as the rest of the signal faded away, it sounded like feedback. I'm thinking there is some way to take the reverb and maybe something else... I mean ya can get Organ sounds out of this thing, it seems like a feedback-esque tone could be achieved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garhel Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 http://line6.com/customtone/tone/2455676/ Might be a useful starting point... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mileskb Posted October 10, 2016 Author Share Posted October 10, 2016 http://line6.com/customtone/tone/2455676/ Might be a useful starting point... Ok.. now THAT is pretty cool. I just messed with it a few minutes... the IR selected has a dramatic affect on the outcome... While you can't be "spontaneous" with the feedback, it's pretty controllable and pretty useful. In fact I have already recommended it to someone else and that was after just playing with it for about 5 minutes. Thanks !!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garhel Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 Ok.. now THAT is pretty cool. I just messed with it a few minutes... the IR selected has a dramatic affect on the outcome... While you can't be "spontaneous" with the feedback, it's pretty controllable and pretty useful. In fact I have already recommended it to someone else and that was after just playing with it for about 5 minutes. Thanks !!!! Cool, glad it's useful :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bsd512 Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 E-Bow has a harmonic mode that passes as a pretty authentic feedback sound, though is finicky to use. Here's a sample I did with it - first 10 seconds or so and then again at around the 2:50 mark: https://soundcloud.com/user-22828532/x-36-90 I'd love to have a feedbacker simulator within the Helix itself controlled by the expression pedal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyRokstar77 Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 I stumbled on the patch cable in the fx loop trick while trying to make a shimmer effect. its actually a useful technique. i'll play around with it and see if I can get more of an amp feedback tone and let you know what I find. rock on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncann Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 I quickly tried the patch cable thing, and while you could control the influx of feedback via an expression pedal, the type of feedback this provides is mostly of the unwanted, unmusical kind. The annoying kind that comes from a microphone that someone is trying to talk from. I use the pitch block type of feedback, the kind that the patch mentioned in this thread has, on a couple of my songs. It works pretty well, and can be musical, but it's not really the same thing as true feedback. It can only get close, depending on what's being played. A personal preference of mine for this patch is to set the maximum mix to around 70%, otherwise the effect becomes too exaggerated. Adding a bit of phaser in the mix, controlled by the same expression controller as the pitch block, can help with the dryness, and take away some of the artificial/chipmunk quality. Another idea to improve the patch is to assign the interval parameter from the pitch block to snapshots. This way you could get different flavors of feedback. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shanecgriffo Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 and i guess combine different pitches for a more harmonically rich feedback emulation! must try it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyRokstar77 Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 I was researching (still haven't tried the patch cable trick) and I found this... www.vibesware.com its a guitar resonator..looks like it might work like an ebow on a stand. maybe an ebow would work somehow. more research is required, but this is fascinating!! rock on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zooey Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 Now that's cool, like a Sustainiac setup you can move, and that's not part of or mounted on one guitar. Aside from cost and a bit of setup hassle, why *wouldn't* you want to have those options available? Sounds great too, really organic, because it is, just magnetic feedback instead of acoustic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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