Jump to content
CBTL

Helix through headphones sounds awful

Recommended Posts

Another vote for the DT770 80 ohms.  I have created every single patch I'm made on Helix with them, including all of the Helix video content I've done for my YouTube channel.  Heck, I've gotten so used to them that I'll mix tracks with them.  Our bedroom is directly below my studio in the house and I have the same "wife problem" as the OP  ;)

 

I don't have any issues with my patches translating well with various PA, monitoring, and/or FRFR.  If the venue doesn't have good monitoring I have an Alto TS110A I can bring with me. 

 

All the patches I've made with the DT770's sound good across the spectrum. 

 

I plug straight into the the Helix headphone jack, and I keep the level up pretty high when I'm making patches.  As close to gig level as possible.  Which these days gig level isn't nearly as loud as it was when I was in my 20's thankfully!  

 

 

I could use some help trying to get some 80ohm DT-770's to sound right coming out of a Helix Rack i just got today 

I'm just trying to play along with some tracks coming off my PC through the USB cable is all 

I think I must have some settings messed up the headphones just sound weak seemed to 

sound alot better coming out the AX8 which I was planning on returning in favor of the Helix Rack 

Are there any particular setting that i need to look at ?

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

i dig this thread again cause i just ordered a new pair of headphones: The Beyerdynamic DT770pro 80 Ohms. I ordered this because of all the recommendations here  (and elsewhere) and because i loved my old HD990 (now broken) for its natural sound (listening music, not guitar) and his comfort for my head/ears.

 

Reading across all the headphone threads, the Beyerdynamic DT770 Pro and the Sennheiser HD600/HD650 seem to be the most called when the target is to  get a sound close to good studio monitors. I would like to have cans where i can practice at night with about the same sound and without creating different patches for speakers and headphones.

My 7" studio monitors are pretty linear (+/- 1.2 dB on axis 50-20.000 Hz measured )and my 12" power monitors can be adjusted to taste cause they have free programmable DSPs onboard.

 

Now i found some sources for the frequency response of the DT77 Pro. Even if different sources show some small differences, they all show a dip at about 3.500 Hz of about 6 dB and a broad peak at about 8500 Hz + 6 dB. The Sennheiser HD600 seems to be more linear. +/- 6 dB from 200 to 9000 Hz seem not unimportant to me.

 

Headphones.thumb.jpg.e5657d9373cf70bc0c392dbebe11ae1e.jpg

 

The last can i used was a old AKG K66 wich sounds awfull producing a lot of fizz (distorted guitar) wich is'nt completly to eliminate by EQs. So yes - i'm afraid of fizz.

Unfortually, this cheap K66 is to old to find measurements to compare and to identify the critical frequency range.

 

Regarding the response of the DT770, it does'nt seem really linear to me and i suppose that the peak @ 9000 Hz could add unwanted fizz. Please tell me, that i'm wrong :)

 

 

 

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

just received my DT770-80 listening some first takes music and Helix demos from the web (Fremen, Glenn Delaune.....) so far so pretty good, even if the headphone amp of mys office computers soundcard probably isn't great. :)

Will see how it does on the real machine this evening.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I use my 1/4” Helix headphone into a personal monitor mixer into my earbuds.

There is a reoccurring dropout in signal strength where I loose signal strength in my ears.

Its weird because at set up, my ears sound great. About fifteen minutes into a rehearsal the signal drops out.

When try to dial in more signal at the Helix my earbuds clip.

i have tried various Global Line & Instrument settings with no resolve.

Any ideas?

Trying to protect what remains of the hearing I have left.

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 4/27/2017 at 1:34 PM, cruisinon2 said:

Amen. Every "My ________ sounds like crap with helix" thread is a waste of time. The reasons why Player A with "X" model headphones hates the way it sounds, and Player B with the same cans thinks the tone was hand deliver by a choir of angels are too numerous to bother contemplating...and nobody is "right" or "wrong". There's no playbook for this stuff. Turn knobs until it sounds good to YOU, because you're the only one who knows what "good" means anyway...failing that, try a different pair of cans.

 

+1000

 

I know if this wasn't read the first time it won't be this time either. But I had to try..., sigh....

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I set up a Send to my personal mixer and included a compressor and limiter in the signal. I Played for about an hour with this set up and the in ears sounded OK.  there is no distortion or drop out. The jury is out on the compression and limiter. At the end of the day I realize that using a mono jack in the  stereo headphone out was probably the cause of the drop out and distortion in my ears. I should have realized this sooner. Thanks

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On ‎10‎/‎12‎/‎2016 at 2:15 PM, landon79 said:

I've never had one modeler that sounded good through headphones.  Maybe a better solution is to get a set of noise cancelling headphones for your wife - that would probably be easier.

My old school Pod 2.0 sounds fantastic thru headphones.  My Helix Stomp sounds horrible thru headphones.  All the presets sound thin and buzzy.  This so called high level expensive unit should not be that difficult to use with headphones! Is there an adjustment that can be made on the eq?  All I want is to sit on my couch and play thru the stomp with my headphones.  And I can't.  So I am just about ready to ship this back.  

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Mine sounded great through headphones, both Helix and Stomp, so I doubt there's anything wrong. Shouldn't need a bunch of EQ - depending on what mic you are using, like a bright brittle dynamic, you might try some high cut on the cabinet. I rarely have found I need a separate EQ block. Otherwise, just dial in the amp, add a little reverb, and you should get good results. Depending on headphones, of course - some sound better than others. So much depends on the playback system - whether that's external speakers or headphones - both need to be good quality and suited to your preferences.

 

Good luck!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

My two cents: I have been using Helix Native for more than year with small USB interfaces at home with DT770 which I like and use both home and in studio. Now on Helix LT - what a difference! This thing has great AD and DA converters and/or (?) headphone amp. I feel it like it is comparable to hi class studio audio interfaces.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I approached Helix native like  it was a piece of end consumer gear. Stuff like guitar rig & s-gear come pre-setup to sound great even with a PC audiocard & home headphones.

Now helix native sounded like one big mess/wall of sound through my home headphones & speakers. After reading topics like these, and this guy explenation:

https://youtu.be/s2JP8uXQZB0

 

The issue is just not knowing any of this stuff, lack of gear  and you lack of reference.

 

I plugged my URII Line out to my Peavey Viper 30 guitar input, set it to the clean settings and yes Helix came alive. And now I understood what my speakers & headphones tried to output. The crap is just part of the signal & only my amp seemed to be able to correctly handle it. Now my "bad" sounding speaker function as tweaters for my peavey guitar modeling amp. The computer speakers just can't output the helix distortion.

 

Is still not fully understand the fact what comes out of ableton from Helix Native, doesn't sound like a finished product on computer speakers, like most of the other plugins do.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I have a pair of Focal monitoring headphones from 5-6yrs ago that still sound great.  My helix sounds pretty fantastic through them.   

Looks like newer Focal monitoring headphones are cheaper than when I bought my version.   Not sure how the new ones stack up against other current ones of similar price.  I'd have to do some research.

https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/ListenPro--focal-listen-pro-closed-back-reference-studio-headphones

Anyway, @ the original poster.  yeah...headphones make a huge difference.  Do some research.  Go listen to through bunch.  Sleep on it if you're dumping a big amount of cash on some nice ones before you buy so you don't have any buyers remorse after lol

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

If i play trough S-Gear or Amplitube with Steinberg UR22 MKII &  AKG K-702 It still gives a much better feel then Helix Native. Native is like a song on the radio vs actual amp sound.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now

×